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I have a son whom I spanked until age 15, although rarely. Today at 24 he is well adjusted and a happy person. What are others' opinion on spanking teenage boys?

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17 here dad spanks me and my brothers. My close friends dads are similar. I hate it but know I need it when it happens. I have found I guess that spanking is uncommon as you get older but not where I am from. As long as you live at home. Mom stopped spanking when we got to about 12. She also is not there but tells dad if we need one.
---Josh on 8/27/19


Im 16 and still get spanked by not often, only for something serious. Like really being rude and talking back. The worst part is the embarrassment since I feel Im getting old for it, but it helps me try to behave more. And i like it better than grounding since its faster. Its bare bottom over the desk but my mom lets me wear a jockstrap now. Hand or hairbrush and they stop when they can really tell Im squirming (and not faking it lol).
---Julian on 8/16/19


i got the belt pants down on rare occasions. the last time was 16 when i got caught with marijuana. dad took down my pants and heated my bottom so bad with his belt that i never tried it again.i cried that time but he didn't stop until i had gotten 30 strokes.
---tom on 7/16/19


It really depends on WHY parents spank their children. If it's to instil discipline, it can be a good thing. If it's to instil fear, or just vent anger, it's a bad thing. For discipline, it's sometimes the only thing young children can understand, but once it becomes possible to reason with the child, there are much better ways (e.g. shaming, denial of privileges) so spanking becomes obsolete.
---StrongAxe on 7/16/19


True JS1234, I feared my Dad because of the spankings. But he stopped the spankings when I was 10 yr olds.

He told us that by 10 he could reason with us and changed our punishments with unique methods.

One time he made my brother and I count the little tiles in the bathrooms.

He praised us when were clever enough to count the length and width then multiplied.

But, we took the time to count the 2nd identical bathroom. He told us we only needed to double the first bathroom to calculate the total small tiles.

My dad was strict, but let us know the world is hard and wouldn't love us as him and my mom.

As an adult my fear turned to love and respect. My parents were not perfect, but I learned a lot from them.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/12/19




Being hit by my parents just made me afraid of them. My basic response to my parents was always fear. But I guess that's what we're supposed to do, fear our parents and fear God.
---JS1234 on 7/12/19


I bet there's it many 15 yr old boys still spanked by mom or dad but is refreshing to hear that
---Lee_sedgefield on 7/12/19


So long as they knew ahead of time what the ounishment would be, fine. But once a teenager, they need advance warning of the consequences of their actions. I was spanked by both my parents, bare bottom, At 15, the embarrassment caused me to behave better, especially if my mother was spanking or was going to watch. Once I had pubic hair, I hated for her to see me bare. One part of her punishment was to keep me in underwear until dad was home and then have to tell him what I'd done. It didn't take long for him to be home before the underpants were off and my bottom was getting warmed. Even into my early teens. They knew how I hated that and it was made part of my punishmwnt as well as bare corner time afterwards.
---Donald on 5/24/19


As someone who was spanked growing up, I can say that this form of discipline is still quite effective when it comes to reinforcing ones parental authority over a naughty, misbehaving boy in his teens.
---Bradley_Knox on 5/24/19


I was spanked into my teens and it did me good. Not beaten, ut spanked. I'd do it too, after several warnings that it will happen. But then, do it!!! Empty threats do nothing.
---Donald on 5/12/19




Most important thing is unconditional Christian love, bit if after warnings and discussions things are not resolved then bare bottom beltings are advisable for both genders and up to perhaps 14 years old
---Hailey_15 on 4/2/19


I doubt your husband is worse than mine. i have not worn any clothes since we got married two years ago. I am required to remain nude from this point on. He makes every decision involving my body. I do not get to voice my opinion about anything. I must simply obey every decision made by my husband. I am also spanked and whipped regularly
---sara_johnson on 3/23/19


Sara is either a liar, or this family needs to be reported to the authorities. We'll probably see them on the news like that family who starved and chained up their children. I'm surprised Sara is allowed to play in the Internet. Since she CAN communicate to the outside and DOESNT call the police....shows she is either sick herself or an abuser herself.
---kathr4453 on 3/25/19


"Both boys usually have good behavior because all 7 sisters watch each time they get spanked. each boy is also spanked w him alwasys being totally nude." Weird, who does the spanking? Why are the girls watching? If they are"usually" good boys with "good behavior" why do they have to be spanked? They are old enough to be reasoned with Sara.
---joseph on 3/24/19


I am a 47 year mother w a 16 amd 14 year old son. I have 3 daughters 12 17 and 10 and 4 step daughters 16 18 and 14. none of my daughters ever get spanked. both sons are spanked once a week minimum. Both boys usually have good behavior because all 7 sisters watch each time they get spanked. each boy is also spanked w him alwasys being totally nude. until they turn 18 each son still has to get spanked. I do believe very strongly that teen boys should be getting spanked
---sara_johnson on 3/23/19


I am not pro spanking but this may add a little humor--I had not needed a bare a pdddling from mom since 8th grade and I had grown up and developed into a man by 16---It was near my confirmation and mom had planned a huge party. My friend and I went swimming while still early Spring and she went ballastic as she thought I would be sick for the Confirmation party--right there in front of my best friend she ordered me to bare my butt and go over her knee and she paqddled my bare butt hard in front of my friend I was much bigger and stronger than she I guess there lots of power in the word "MOM' NO MATTER WHAT AGE---I got confirmed very healthy but with a damn sore butt!
---jimj on 3/11/19


Hello, i am pieter, boy from 14, I placed a couple of days ago a message, still spanked by my dad,Actually. it was a cry for help.I am still spanked over the knee, Always when i deserved a punishment.I repeat too soon als mistakes, and I realize that i diapponted my parents.Olease others or other parents talk with me.i am spanked otk once per 8 weeks.i feel sometimes shy opposite my friends, when I m juast punished,i caan't expalain why but i want to talk.punished with a spanking once per 8 weekd.Pray before sleeping.
---pieter on 2/1/19


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I believe that as long as they are under your roof..its YOUR rules and yes..teens should be spanked.
---Timothy_Golding on 1/25/19


By the time I was a teenager. I didn't do anything stupid enough to get spanked. My teenagers when they did wrong were not spanked. But they were still punished. I oppose spanking teenagers.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/21/19


hello,
i am a boy from 14.I hate a spanking, but it is Always deserved.of cause i feel embrassed,getting a spanking over the knee.there is always a good reason to punish me.I am crying getting a spanking over dad's knee.not only for the painful backside.I cry too disapponted my parents again.i deserved it.shy to say
greetings pieter
---pieter on 1/21/19


obviously did good.
---Don on 1/15/19


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occasionally, and only if inevitable. I'm now 22 and I got my last spanking at the age of 14. That was really horrifying and so embarrassing. But in hinsight I think it was necessary, although I personally would now prefer different measures. I've no children yet, but I would not rule out spanking.
---joe on 1/6/19


You said it all: not often, but when boys need it they should have it, otherwise they don't have a clue on what's wrong and what's right. My older is 19 and he still needs now and then some attitude adjustment, not to talk about my 16 yo. And they know it's for their good.
---Teo on 11/30/18


I believe spanking is meant for little children. As they grow, their love for their parents should be what keeps them obedient. In much the same way, the greater our love for God, the less sin we will have in our lives.
---David on 11/11/18


I'm 67 and have 5 brothers. Each one is married (no divorces) all professionals. We have a total of 18 children between us. My Dad and Grandfathers, and occasionally uncles spanked us on a regular basis. Usually one per day among the brothers and I . It was bare naked, rough, anywhere from 40 to a hundred wacks and bare corner time. My cousins got the same.No involvement with the police or drug use. We all have a great relationship with the men in our lives. We survived and thrived in this environment (no denying we hated it) We treated our children, grandchildren and nephews and nieces the same way with the same results. Yes spanking needs to be a part of parenting until they are on their own and even if they come back home.
---Billy on 11/10/18


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I am 34 now but was spanked mainly from 10 to 13. But at 16 making good on his promise to take me over his knee if he found out I ever smoked cigarettes my Dad did just that and then mentioned that I stole my Mom's cigarettes and lied about it repeatedly before yanking my boxers down and "beating" my bare butt.
(beating my butt meant as opposed to spaced out swats he just wailed away until I bawled)
---James on 10/1/18


my best friend and i are in our teens and our dads will spank each other if its something we did at their house. His dad has a paddle and my dad uses a belt. The paddle actually hurts me worse, underwear on
---tyler on 7/27/18


I'm 14. I prefer belt over grounding. It hurts but it's also over.
I'd not spank my kids, but dad says, he has too.
Embarrassing for a 14 year old...
---joe on 7/23/18


im 16, i usually get a choice though now between spanking and grounding, i always choose spanking. 8-10 hits with a belt, underwear down now since i tried to use padding before. not so bad, hurts for an hour and thats it
---john on 6/29/18


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I am 16 and in the same position as most boys my age. Spanked by your father on the bare-bottom. Sometimes with the belt but that I have only been given that a few times for MAJOR punishments.
---Christopher on 3/4/18


I still get spanked I'm 16 I pull my pants down lay face down on the bed with my underwear on
---Bryan on 11/11/17


My brothers and I got paddled bare thru high school and we just accepted it even though it really hurt--Times have changed---waht was normal and accepted is now different---While I reaely spanked my sons it was not like as I grew up Actually I had a good realtionship with my dad so while I do not spank --it did not do any damage to me just sore bqare gbutts once in a while Others??
---greg on 7/31/17


Gordon 2: I am not suggesting for parents to whip their kids at all, just agreeing with your answer and why. I never whipped my kids, I never spanked them either. I had a good enough voice to mean power. I also use phycology to make them believe that a worse punishment would come if they did the same mistake again. It never came to that. Though my children were not perfect in any way, I was blessed that none of them did drugs, or ever disrespectful to my wife or to me. Some times there needs to be some form of punishment, but with control. It all depends on the child's actions, but true love chastens.
---Mark_V. on 11/21/12


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Gordon, I agree with your answers. Here is why. We are told in Scripture in Hebrew 12:5,6)
"My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him, For who the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives." We are told that God scourges those He loves. If you go to (Matt. 10:17) you find that word "scourge" again.
"But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and "scourge" you in their synagogues"
The word "scourge" refers to flogging with a whip, a severe and painful form of beating that was common Jewish practice.
Hebrews 12:7) talks about father chastening sons.
---Mark_V. on 11/20/12


I agree with the "pants down" for teenagers , But I think it should be over the briefs (underpants) ! The boy being disciplined should be ordered to : "Drop your pants' & bend over the table so I can spank you ! 2 to 3 moderate swats should be enough to get a behavior modification !
---Maria on 11/19/12


If spanking did not work when the boy was younger it is not likely to work at age 15. It will, however, bring about resentment in most boys that age.

If your son is now exactly how you hoped he'd turn out I am happy for you but I think you might find that your method did not work out well for others who tried it.

Also, a 15 year old might be allowed to report his father to the police for such treatment. That would certainly be the case in the U.K.
---Rita_H on 11/13/12


In the 60's my brothers and i got paddled on the bare butt for something serious and while it hurt--we never questioned it--It became less frequent as we got older but it still happened--We turned out fine--I just did not like paddling my boys so i quit earlier and they turned out fine--I think its the relationship a parent has with sons that counts if the relationship is good even a paddling won't hurt the basic dad/son relationship--just my experience
---Jeff on 11/12/12


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"Spare the rod spoil the child"...It is also written: Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger [Eph. 6:4]. Provoke means: do not irritate, exasperate, rub the wrong way, incite. This is done BY A WRONG SPIRIT and BY WRONG METHODS. Shame on you parents who don't treat your children, like Jesus does...There are many more Scriptures, a bunch of them, God tells you how He wants you to treat children and people.
---pat on 11/11/12


"Spare.......Spoil......." kids & TEENS need to be disciplined . I'm not saying to spank for every little thing, But kids need to know the consequences !!! & when they step out of line its : Swoosh "Pants Down, Bottoms up" for a good spankin' Good Luck on your parenting !
---Miss on 11/9/12


Well it's not uncommon to see psycho parents beat their children for the hell of it... I am not one of those parents. but I can assure you that s night follows day, The children I know where their parents never spanked them think it strange when their children act up and have not got a clue how to manage them, so many of the children manage the parents. No so in my home, I manage my children and they seem to manage their manners.
---Carla on 10/9/12


Hello,this is ELENA, got to think, remember yes,my mother lord laid me out on the floor,she got. me real good with the broom,and. I got a real. Well mannered no more get in trouble, no more talking back and that was the end of that,until I got permission to get married. I was about 14 years old. I Think she did pretty good, I graduated full honors from school. She only did it one time.
---ELENA on 10/7/12


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Gordon I originally responded to Trey's post who stated he got a beating not a spanking. adults wearing out teenagers in process of beating them would have also worn themselves out.

nothing from scripture tells of Lord striking someone or teaching beating defenseless children. When you spank a young child you snap them out of a behavior with quick, swift correction typically because they are not old enough to reason and cannot pull themselves out from their wrong. If you believe giving a teenager a few swats is productive punishment (treating them like a toddler with a spanking) then I must ask for what purpose? seriously a few spankings on a teenager? still makes a parent negligent and a parent ignoring Gods warning in Ephesians.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/7/12


Follower_of_Christ, YOU ARE SO TWISTING IT ALL UP. There is a big difference between "spanking" a child or teenager and "BEATING" a child. If the parent is already the type of person who is so emotionally messed up themselves, where they go further than spanking and end up abusing and beating on their child, then, YES, that's obviously very wrong! But, that's a whole different matter, Follower, than merely "spanking" a child. To the average parent who loves their child and has their head properly on their shoulders, spanking their child is simply one form of discipline. One does not have to lead to the other!
---Gordon on 10/7/12


if children are corrected in childhood, when they are teens they shouldn't need it. I have some teen friends and they are so well mannered all the time. one of the teens is 15 and won an award for being an example to other teens.and...she can sing too
---shira4368 on 10/5/12


Ephesians 6:4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

Deuteronomy 6:6,7 Proverbs 22:6 for teaching children when they are young, quick swift punishments of spankings. resort to beating a teenager (soon to be young adult) you failed your role as a parent in their earlier years, you cannot beat them now for your negligence otherwise you provoke them to wrath. Why we see more bullying in school today.. parents using any excuse to physically abuse their teenagers by lie of discipline. When you have to beat an older child it requires far more effort than a small child and it requires an angry bitter adult who should be put away in jail for assault and battery.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/4/12


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Why do people assume that "the rod" necessarily implies physical punishment? Kings traditionally wielded a rod and a staff. The rod to discipline, and the staff to nurture (as a shepherd does). How many kings do you know that enforced discipline by physically beating people? They usually had many different (and more effective) ways, depending on who was being disciplined.

While young children who are incapable of understanding spoken instructions (or of knowing the consequences of their actions) may occasionally require physical discipline, older children, and especially teenagers, can be much more effectively disciplined by other means, such as withholding of privileges.
---StrongAxe on 10/4/12


Cluny, Do you want a Bible Verse to back up what I'm saying? PROVERBS 13:24 "He that SPARETH HIS ROD HATETH HIS SON: He that loveth him (his child) chasteneth him betimes." Cluny, aren't you British? You know proper English? That Verse means that If a father loves his son (any child of his) he will discipline and chasten him when necessary. He will chasten his child when he does wrong, because he LOVES HIM. And, he wants his child to learn to do what is right, in order to live long and prosper. And, the rod is the KJV word for an instrument of disciplining. If you think that's "bad", well, GOD is even more so. That's why Hell and the Lake of Fire were created.
---Gordon on 10/4/12


Gordon, spanking a teen IS physical abuse.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/12


Follower_of_Christ, You did not read and fully comprehend my comment. I made the distinction between spanking and physically abusing a teen. And, I also said that spanking may not be suitable for ALL teens. Just for certain ones. And, if it works, IT WORKS! A parent must be mature and not let their emotions dictate their decisions, like what you are doing here. John just got done telling us, above, that he'd spanked his teen-age boy and he turned out GREAT. Please, read all of a person's comments and understand it before you respond, or, expect a rebuke otherwise.
---Gordon on 10/4/12


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Teenagers are still under parental authority and they need to be taught proper boundries to be prepared for the REAL WORLD

teenagers have reasoning skills understanding right from wrong, believing beating them until you are worn out is preparing them for the "real world" you are doing it to satisfy your own personal anger issues and release aggression within yourself, because that is not discipline Nothing from holy scripture supports this sickness which is why we have laws to help children who are being physically attacked by their unloving parents because they can and should report them for assault and battery. teenagers may be under parents authority however they are not farm animals to be beaten on a whim.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/4/12


The Bible warns that If we spare the rod we will spoil the child. There definitely is a place for spanking. Some, today, falsely accuse that of being "child abuse", but, that's Satan's rhetoric. God the Father chastens those He loves, so should Earthly fathers (and mothers). As for teen-age boys being spanked? Good idea, really, for SOME. Some others may not need that kind of discipline. Just as long as it works GO FOR IT! :-) Discipline must be meted out. Teenagers are still under parental authority and they need to be taught proper boundries to be prepared for the REAL WORLD. It's a jungle out there!
---Gordon on 10/3/12


Follower of Christ, I absolutley agree with that comment, 100%.
---Jed on 10/3/12



Cluny, when I was 16 my Dad took a belt and wore me out.


any parent wearing themselves out in the process of beating their child using excuse of discipline should be put in jail for assault and battery. try taking a belt to a stranger doing same thing you did to your own child you would be doing hard time (years depending on the state) for aggravated assault and battery. This is why the cycle of violence in children is getting worse. They are bullied at home by parents who are violent and physically aggressive then go to school and bully their peers out of fear anger frustration and a learned pattern physically attacking others. The Lord Jesus never beat anyone.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/3/12


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When I am gonna be afraid to clap my kids when they have gone too far, like shout, screaming, fighting, or other, first I'm going to call in social services and ask them to kindly take me away coz I'm gonna slap their backsides. I ain't callin in no social services I'm clapping their hides and callin time on their activities.


The sexual pleasures GOD FORBID are all yours Clunny... strange soul
---Carla on 10/2/12


Cluny, when I was 16 my Dad took a belt and wore me out. I can promise you my Dad was a working man and could have beat me senseless if he would have had a mind to do so. I can also assure you that there wasn't anything erotic about it. It was a good old fashion beating. I am 45 now, and I am glad my Dad cared enough to give me a good spanking with a belt. I deserved it.

Glory to God who gave me a Dad that cared.
---trey on 8/7/12


However, I agree with not having to spank as it were a teenage lad who would want to do that? if by this stage you need to raise your hand you probably failed his butt when he was younger...
---Carla on 8/6/12


Cluny ???// Go see a psychiatrist, what on Gods green earth has Sexual Stimulation got to do with a parent correcting their child.//



God help your troubled Sick mind...
---Carla on 8/6/12


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If you wait till their teens before you spank them you are in trouble. I heard a psychologist say one time that parents need to get control of their children by the time they are five. If their over the age of five and they are out of control you're in a bad situation.
Here is some scripture:

Prov23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Pr23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
Pr29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
---trey on 8/3/12


"Spare the rod and spoil the child..." -Judy on 08/03

You do know that line is not actually in the Bible right?
---Jed on 8/3/12

it is a reasonable facsimile of several verses. anyway, she did not necessarily say it was in the bible. not every truth has to be in the bible. 2 + 2 = 4, and i cannot find that in the bible.
---aka on 8/4/12


"Spare the rod and spoil the child..." -Judy on 08/03

You do know that line is not actually in the Bible right?
---Jed on 8/3/12


I suppose that every teenage boy would be different and it would depend on the character and temperament of each boy. Also, it depends on what the violation or "crime" was. But, from the top of my head, it seems to be too juvenile of a punishment for a teenager. I know there are times when a good whacking on the bottom would seem to be the suitable remedy, 'specially if the teenager's actions were immature and fool-hearty. There is a place for spanking, the Bible assures of that. But, for a teen-age boy? It depends on the boy, I think. Most of the times, NO. Once-in-a-great-while, perhaps.
---Gordon on 8/3/12


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Right on!!! "Spare the rod and spoil the child..." I think it is done more when they are younger and only if other methods prove ineffective. hopefully as a teenager u would not need to resort to it but corporal punishment done correctly as discipline is acceptable and scriptural.
---judy on 8/3/12


John, you're lucky he didn't spank you back. Most 15 year old boys could drop a middle-aged man in a heart beat.
---Jed on 8/2/12


If you want to alienate your adolescent male, spanking will accomplish that for you.

Loss of privilege is your strongest weapon of choice.....
---Chip on 8/2/12


Barbara: GREAT answer! Bless you...your children are lucky.
---Marie on 6/10/12


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I believe spanking(limited) should be done in a child's formative years especially before ages 8-10. If the focus of the child has been well directed before 8-10yrs, spanking will not be necessary at the teenage years but advices/instructions.
---Adetunji on 6/6/12


How sad that you think that it is all right to inflict physical pain on a child in order to teach him something. The idea of a parent is to restrict the danger to a child until he/she is old enough to see danger. It's also to correct him/her if they are going astray from what is right. To strike a child is not synonymous with disciplining one. Sometimes my child can cause me to speak harshly, even loudly, but to physically lash out and cause another pain, what craziness. It demonstrates a weakness in the parent, not a strength.
---Marc on 6/5/12


"What are others' opinion on spanking teenage boys?" My opinion? You are fortunate that he did not spank you back. "Train up a child in the way he should go, And when he is old he will not depart from it."Prov. 22:6 If one trains his child to respect The Father, His Word, his parents, his elders, and himself, early in life, there will be no need or reason to hit him when he becomes a young man. The fact that he did not hit you back shows that at least he has a respect for, or perhaps a fear of, you. Hopefully he will only implement the rod of correction as concerning his own children during their most impressionable years, when they are the most open to, and in need of that correction. See also Pro 22:15>29:15
---joseph on 6/5/12


I have come to realize that a lot of the children today just want some one to listen to them and to know that there feelings matter so I think if we really just hear them out they mellow out and really began to tell you what they want rather than act it out in some bad unseemly way. even if I don't always agree with my child I do let him know I hear him and that the way he feels really do matter and I am listening and this is really all he wants to know is that he is being heard.
---barbara on 6/4/12


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John, basically you are very lucky, if you lived in the North East USA you would likely in prison currently on willful child abuse and pedophile convictions and you son would have been in a foster home until he turned 18.
---Blogger9211 on 6/4/12


I'm not totally against spanking, but I believe it should be used sparingly, as a last resort. Other discipline methods should be used first. Spanking is one of the LEAST effective discipline methods at any age, but especially for older children since it is such a short term consequence. To spank a 15 year old boy probably did more hurt than good. Teenagers and adults learn from long term consequences. You should be preparing a 15 year old to be an adult, and as such you should treat them with respect and require that they do the same. Spanking does not teach self respect or respect for parents.
---Jed on 6/4/12


15 years old is a young man, not a boy. Spanking may be considered assault and battery today, and you're lucky you were not arrested and put into jail. The Golden Rule from God is, "Do and say exactly that what you desire done and said to you." Do you want spanked? No? Then don't spank. Do you want respect? Yes? Then give respect. Many adults today are victims of parental abuse, some have ran away from home and have cut all ties from the abusing parent and are dealing with the damage done to them by their parents. And some adults are going back and suiing their abusing parents in the courts for their assault and battery when they grew up, and to pay for their psychological and medical therapies which are a direct result of their abuse.
---Eloy on 6/4/12


John...I am guessing that he no longer lives near you.
---KarenD on 6/3/12


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As I have said before, spanking should not be done past 8, unless you want your children on the cusp of puberty to associate pain in that area with sexual stimulation--which is what it will do.

I don't know if you and your son still live together, but I would be hesitant to say that he is well adjusted.

Why did your son let you spank him so long? My mother came at me with a studded belt when I was 14 and I simply grabbed it to stop her.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/3/12


Spanking is for small children. Teenagers can be talked to and have privileges taken away from them. In today's technological society, there are a variety of things that could be taken from a teenager, as well as grounding, and making them stay away from the computer, except of schoolwork.

Most importantly, discussing the behavior and helping the teen come to the conclusion that the behavior is not in his best interest.
---Trish on 6/3/12


no opinion. if it worked for you...good.
---aka on 6/3/12


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