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Does God Have A Goal

My daughter has a goal. She wants to make the Varsity Volleyball team. Does God have a goal, or is life just for His pleasure?

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char - this is a song written and performed by Martin Mull. He is also an accomplished musician. he plays many instruments. He can play any genre and writes clever lyrics to match.

there is another gospel song he wrote called "Jesus is Easy" .. hilarious and a great gospel song.
---aka on 8/9/12

Thank you, I appreciate the kindness and love.. Thanks for the scriptures, read whole chapters (AMEN!). Would like to know how to find the Heb or Greek words quoted since not listed alphabetically. More to take in. I Love how God reveals, speaks, confirms, all praises due Him! Much could comment on, limited space. God bless you.

"//chria and char...god, i love you both.
---aka on 8/9/12//
Love reading your poems here, rather refreshing,Thanks for sharing them aka.
Blessing to you brother

Amen, and love you too aka
---chria9396 on 8/9/12


There are an infinite number of things I cannot prove. You point is what? Prove that your god was not created by a flying teapot....

Now you accuse me of committing evil. What does that mean?

A complete explanation of beginnings does not require one to believe in your god or any other. Where did you get that idea?
---atheist on 8/9/12

Atheist as I have always said I accept God by faith, but not blind faith. Romans 1:20 says God is obvious from His creation, which surrounds us. So obvious, people "are without excuse." You emphatically say there is no God, but cannot prove this. You deny yours is also a faith position but as you cannot prove it, it is.

God created man with free-will. But commands man use his free-will to follow Him, in His righteousness. But man prefers to do things his way, as you do. You commit evil then complain about evil!

I have many times asked you to answer a few questions which should be easy for you, if your evolutionary point of view has substance. But you do not, because you cannot, as your position is one of faith.
---Warwick on 8/9/12

Atheist you have avoided answering this question:

In evolutionary terms how do you explain the present parlous state of mankind which suffers from c3,600 genetic diseases, caused by various mutations?

Evolutionists would have us believe natural selection plus mutations have brought about evolution from the original imagined lifeform to all we see alive today. They say, only mutations which confer a survival advantage are retained, thereby, they say, adding new unique specific genetic information to the genome. However, for 1 example, the susceptibility to various forms of cancer results from mutations passed on by parents. How do these life-shortening diseases confer survival advantage?
---Warwick on 8/9/12

Atheist, your whinging about God, brings to mind the vile atheistic dictator Stalin and the philosophy he credits as the cause of his unbelievable evil.

Stalin "Reading Darwin had an enormous impact upon me. It corroborated my defiance of God and inspired me to systematically break all the Ten Commandments, which I now realized were only chains. Though I had stolen and lied before, I now stole and lied with a higher purpose-freedom of self. And the effects on my political philosophy were equally lasting.....Richard Lourie, 1999 the autobiography of Joseph Stalin. Counterpoint , Washington D.C., page 36.

Maybe God should kill atheists and evolutionists before they cause such evil?
---Warwick on 8/9/12

Warwick, you are confused. You assume there is a God, then assume to know how this God created everything, then excuse Him for not getting it right, although that should be clearly in his powers. Evil and bad exist as adjectives, not as nouns.

Jerry, "I don't know" is still a better answer than "the sky god did it."
---atheist on 8/9/12

//chria and char...god, i love you both.
---aka on 8/9/12//

Love reading your poems here, rather refreshing,Thanks for sharing them aka.

Blessing to you brother- and yes chira is a blessing!

---char on 8/9/12

chria and char...god, i love you both.
---aka on 8/9/12

Atheist, you are confused. You assume there is no God, then assume to know how this non-God should have created, then blame Him for not doing things the way you think they should be done! You propose a God who would force people to refrain from evil, but where would that leave you?

You claim there is no evil only bad, but bad is a synonym of evil.

---Warwick on 8/9/12

A theist: "There is no god---omnipotent or otherwise."

Psa 14:1 ... The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

Job 38:3,4 Gird up now thy loins like a man, for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job 38:36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

Job 40:2 Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.

You can't even come up with a plausible explanation for the origin of life on this planet. How then are you qualified to assert the non-existence of God?

---jerry6593 on 8/9/12

//---chria9396 on 7/31/12//--cont'

From God through the womb of woman Col1:16

Again: anthen
1) from above, from a higher place
a) of things which come from heaven or God
2) from the first, from the beginning, from the very first
3) anew, over again

Born: genna
1) of men who fathered children
a) to be born
b) to be begotten
1) of women giving birth to children

Ecc 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it

---char on 8/8/12

wait, atheist. if there is no evil, then there are no morals. if there are no morals, then is nothing that is good or bad. it just is.

so, if anything "bad" should happen to you, it is not bad, it just is.
---aka on 8/8/12

//---atheist on 8/8/12//

It appears you have made your decision, which is the right you are given.

Rom 14:11-12

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
---char on 8/8/12


You missed the point. There is no god---omnipotent or otherwise. There is no evil, no satan, or demons. Bad things happen to good people because there are people who do bad things. If god were there he'd do something about it. But he is not, so I really have no expectations.
---atheist on 8/8/12

God's goal is to fill the world with His glory. Numbers 14:21 "Truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the Lord." Isaiah 40:5 "And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken it". Habakkuk 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the sea".

Rev. 21:10-11, Rev. 21:23-24.
---barb on 8/8/12

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The goal: For Man [ish] to Do away with "self/ego" as they Walk within Him and He in them to - His Kingdom. The perspective God chose to bring forth His Word to mankind. (Hebraic)

Torah: Teachings
The word/Torah and God are one Jn1:1-14,Jn14:6
"I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but through me."

Ysha/Jesus is not speaking of Himself but of the "Word/spoken/done" that is (Anointed) Gods teachings to man [ish], the Torah (Deut 32:47) That is the Way(Ex 18:20)
That[...]"make known to them the way they are to walk and the work they are to do."
The Word in flesh "Ysha", life - In everyway - paralleled/ equaled/mirrored -- Torah.
---char on 8/8/12

athiest, Warwick is right. God created the potential for evil when He created humans with freedom of choice. We choose to love or hate, do good are evil. History tells us that humans of their own will have actualized the reality of evil with their choices. Without a choice, love is meaningless. God doesn't force His love on people, nor forces people to love Him. Instead God, the personification of love, grants us the freedom of choice. Without freedom, we would be little more that robots. The freedom of choice ultimately will lead to the best of all possible worlds, a world in which there will be no more sin, death, crying or pain (Rev. 21:4) Those who choose Christ will be redeemed from evil by His goodness and will be forever without sin.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/12

//A perfect god with omnipotence would not have created a world thus.//

You are absolutely right. it is man who created this mess.
---aka on 8/7/12

Atheist, you miss the point. When a man kills he does it of his own volition God did not force him to do anything. The god you imagine is a maker of robots programmed to behave only as programmed, with no free-will. But the Creator God came as man and died that all evildoers who would repent, (turning away from such sin, by the power of the Holy Spirit) to follow Jesus, would gain forgiveness and eternal life.

However as you have no foundation for morality outside your own thinking, you are in no position to even claim that something is evil. You believe the chemical intricacies of your mind evolved by chance random processes. How do you know it evolved correctly?
---Warwick on 8/7/12

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It is not about righteousness.

It's about children starving and dying and people being killed and tortured in political crossfires.

A perfect god with omnipotence would not have created a world thus.

For you to say that I just don't understand god's ways is a cop out. I acknowledge that I live in a world where terrible things happen that I cannot change but am daily made aware of. To take comfort in the belief that its part of god's plan is a total cop out. Not to see it because you protect yourself with the belief in a sensible but unknowable god, makes no sense to me.
---atheist on 8/7/12

well, Jesus took that ball and ran
a straighter path than any man
he had to win that game
for both his Dad, and all mankind
but satan sent his finest man
he said "forget the rulebook - just defend.
it isn't how we play, we've got to win!"
but J.C. left them standing in their sin

so let's give Jesus Christ the football
let him even up the score
let him run it through the crossbars
and be on the cross no more
let's give Jesus Christ the football
let him even up the score
let him run it through the crossbars
half of which he's seen before.

martin mull - jesus christ football star

yes, jesus has a goal.
---aka on 8/7/12

athiest, the reason it looks so badly to you is because you don't believe in God to begin with. If you believed in God, you would say, "great are your works o Lord." But since you don't believe in God, you look for every reason possible why it is not right from your own standard of righteousness. No dependence on His word at all. If you trusted in God, you would think differently. You would trust that everything happening has a purpose and a reason that God only knows, and you put your faith in that trust.
---Mark_V. on 8/7/12

God is LOVE! Love cannot exist alone. We are created in God's image to return that pure, free-will love to Him. As His children, it is His delight to bestow many gifts upon us - even eternal life - that His love may grow and abound throughout the universe. That is His goal.

---jerry6593 on 8/7/12

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//-chria9396 on 8/5/12//
Love this!

I think we covered this before, or we are just on the same page,once again---Amen.

The Hebraic perspective is to "lift up" and means to take hold of something and "lift it up", or "move/remove it".
Ps 25:18
Consider mine affliction and my travail, And forgive [nasa] all my sins.
Micah 7:19
[salahh] Root: "leap up", has a similar meaning to [nasa]
[sala] "cliff"
[salaq] "to ascend"

Praise God the atonement covered, but the resurrection completely "lifts up-removing sin".
Repentance unto remission.

One God [Y'hvh]-spoke and moves
[Y'sha] Jesus Christ
Holy Spirit

---char on 8/6/12

If god exists, he must have a goal,otherwise, why bother making creation. And if he made creation, since he is omnipotent, he must have made it to satisfy his goals.

But the question remains: why did it come out so badly?
---atheist on 8/6/12

....well, satan, he used an onside kick
thank God that matthew was thinkin quick
he took that ball from satan
it was Christians, first and ten
and with the strength that moved the rock
well, the Savior made him a mighty block
and found himself the way he'd been conceived -
free and clear, and open to receive

so let's give Jesus Christ the football
let him even up the score
let him run it through the crossbars
and be on the cross no more
let's give Jesus Christ the football
let him even up the score
let him run it through the crossbars
and be on the cross no more.
---aka on 8/6/12

Phil, you have not addressed my post.

Jesus is the God being Creator of everything created, therefore not a creature, by definition.

That the Holy Spirit can be blasphemed means He is God.

You imagine Trinitarians have 3 gods sitting in a row while we worship 1 God, in 3 persons, not 3 bodies. In reality, as Scripture says, God is eternal, has no body, he is invisible spirit. In human terms He has no substance therefore cannot be divided, is omnipresent. We cannot see Him unless He reveals Himself to us. As Scripture shows He has revealed Himself in Jesus, God the Son, who is the very representation of God.

He chooses to present Himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Three in one.
---Warwick on 8/6/12

Read These Insightful Articles About Arthritis far so good, you are telling it as it is. Pure unadulterated truths, when traditions, fables, paganisn and man made stories are left aside the WORD alone can stand on its own. I see no waffle here and that is how the truth is told...once again nice job PhilXx
---Carla on 8/6/12

"I am confident you will only deny the truth of anything which challenges your belief." Warwick 8/6/12

I believe God.

Jn 1:3 All things were made by him (the logos), and without him was not any thing made that was made.

1C 8:6 there is one God, the Father, and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things.

Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God..

The Logos of God, the Christ, is not God the Father. He is God's express, visible image.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Re 3:14 These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God,

Wherein is my denial of the truth of God?
---Phil on 8/6/12

Warwick, why preach half the message, where was wisdom? SHE was there too...
---Carla on 8/6/12

Does God have a goal?

let me tell you...

It was a beautiful day, it was a sellout crowd,
and the air was filled with a mighty yell.
folks was carrying pennants -
some said Heaven and some said Hell.
and the referee stepped to the field
and he flipped a coin, and it revealed
what every faithful Christian should believe -
that Jesus was elected to receive.

(chorus)so let's give Jesus Christ the football,
let him even up the score.
let him run it through the crossbars,
and be on the cross no more.
let's give Jesus Christ the football,
let him even up the score.
let him run it through the crossbars,
and be on the cross no more...

(yes, there is more)
---aka on 8/5/12

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Phil, bold statements, however when challenged I am confident you will only deny the truth of anything which challenges your belief.

Colossians 1:16 establishes Jesus is Creator God of everything.

The Holman Bible Dictionary says "In the Biblical context blasphemy is an attitude of disrespect that finds expression in an act directed against the character of God." And "blasphemy involves the actual pronunciation of the name of God along with an attitude of disrespect." And "Leviticus 24:14-16 guides the Hebrew definition of blasphemy.

When Jesus says blasphemy against "the Holy Spirit" will never be forgiven He is saying the Holy Spirit is God.
---Warwick on 8/6/12

Phil, tell it like it is Bro!!!

No wonder, Christ had to rebuke his apostles and answer how long...
---Carla on 8/6/12

Phil, your wrong, it's the apostates who deny our Triune God. Jesus asked His disciples, "who do men say that I, the Son of Man, Am? Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God" If they understood Scripture, from Genesis to Revelation, they would see, understand, that our God is revealed to us in three Persons. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. But you do not see this for many then said, John the Baptist, Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets. The same holds true today.
"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, nor can he know them, because they are Spiritually discerned" (1 Cor. 2:14).
---Mark_V. on 8/6/12


The doctrine of the triune god is found only in the apostate churches. It was never taught by Paul or any other apostle of Christ.

An unbiased study, unbound by creeds and traditions, is the only way to escape this heresy.

It is never mentioned by God, it is only inferred through vain reasonings outside the Holy Writings.

It is a deviant teaching.
---Phil on 8/5/12

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Phil, Jesus in His humanity is not the Father, He is the Son, with a human nature just like you and me, Yet, is divine in His Godly nature. God in the Person of Jesus. He is not the Holy Spirit either, yet He has the Spirit of God. In His pre-incarnation, His appearences in the Old Testament referred to as theophies also provide Historical evidence of His existence in the Old Testament period prior to His birth in Bethlehem. Even those who do not affirm biblical inerrancy, accept the general reliability of the Scriptures, find ample evidence to support the donctrine of the eternity of Christ. The Father has always been the Father, the Son the Son, and the Spirit, the Spirit, they make the Godhead. All with the same Attributes and nature.
---Mark_V. on 8/5/12

With my last post I left things hanging (word limits, time):loose continuity to effectively convey intent. I posted from Strongs since I had just come across the word char used (gennao)I have used Strongs little, mostly in the same way I would a concordance in the back of an average bible. However,considering things I had come across, too much to post, but what interested me most, before the post, was from fruit, 2590 to726 to 138 to 142 AIRO, (GR)
brought to mind previous posts, not sure which blogs
much more
---chria9396 on 8/5/12

You are right again, Mark_v.
Only the Christ of God has a name. He is Elohim, Lord of hosts.

He is the deity, or God if you will, that appeared to Abraham, Moses and the others of the OT.

Ever and always doing His God and Father's will, from the beginning. Ever and always pointing the way to God, away from "self".

The One and Only God is Spirit, He has no other god's before Him. He has a Logos, a First-begotten Son.

The One we see, the One they saw and heard, is the Christ of God.

It was not God the Father.

No man has seen God, the Son Who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
---Phil on 8/3/12

Phil, since now I am afraid to ask you more questions, I will give you a passage, only one cause I sure don't want to take your time, here it is again:

"Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, "And His Redeemer, the Lord of Hosts," (meaning Christ) I am the First and the Last, Besides Me there is no God" (Isa. 44:6).
---Mark_V. on 8/3/12

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Jesus was claiming He said those words in (Ps. 82:6). Mark_V. on 7/31/12

You are correct. He, the pre-incarnate Logos, the only God Israel ever knew, revealed this to the Psalmist.

The God of the Old Testament was Jehovah, the Logos, the God of Israel.

The Psalmist and the Lord were not speaking of the Father, but for the Father.

The One true God is invisible, cannot be heard or seen by man. He is Spirit Jn 4:24 He is imperceptable.

He has an image, an expression, a channel to us. It would destroy us to be in God's presence. We need a mediator.

There is only one Mediator, the man Christ Jesus, the Logos, the Word that became flesh and dwelt among the Jews.
---Phil on 8/2/12

Bro. Phil, I appreciate what you said but I want you to look at the passages in (Ps. 82:6). Who was speaking? The Lord God. Here in the context we are reminded that Kings and judges are set up ultimately by the decree of God (Ps, 2:6). God, in effect, invest His authority in human leaders for the stability of the universe (Rom. 13:1-7) But God may revoke this authority (v.7).
In John 10:34 Jesus speaking of Himself answered with,
"Is it not written in your law, I said" You are gods?'
Jesus was claiming He said those words in (Ps. 82:6). That He was the speaker of those passages. Claiming to be God. Those Jews understood what He just said, why cannot you?
---Mark_V. on 7/31/12


The Unveiling of Jesus Christ is written for all the saints of God to read and understand.

It was written for the Jewish believers of the future. It has no bearing on today.

Ezk 34:13 And brought them out from the peoples, And have gathered them from the lands, And brought them unto their own ground,

Jer 32:37 Lo, I am gathering them out of all the lands whither I have driven them in Mine anger,

Re 5:9 and redeemed us ... out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation,

It does not say from among, it says out or away from. It is redeemed "out", not from among a group.

Israel is dispersed among the nations to this day.
---Phil on 8/1/12

Brother Phil 2: if you are speaking about the "Spiritual Israel of God" then I completely agree. But the one of the Spirit not the one of the flesh. For not all Israel is Israel (Rom. 9:6). There is an Israel after the flesh" (1 Cor. 10:18) and there is an "Israel of God" (Gal. 6:16) made up of Jewish people and Gentiles who believe in the Messiah.
Here is what I see wrong,
To apply the "all Israel" which "will be saved" to a group of Jews or Israelis who are "separate from God's Church is to deny the Wall Breaker (Jesus Christ) specific and staggering accomplishments on the Cross.
---Mark_V. on 8/1/12

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Phil, you said Israel was going to rule every nation in the future and gave (Rev. 5:10) saying
"Re 5:10 And hast made us Israel) unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. It aint happened yet.. We is Israel, and they shall rule over the nations on earth."

The "we" is not Israel in those passages. Read it again who are the "we",
"....For you were slain, "And have redeemed Us to God by your blood "Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation" Those from every nation (believers in Christ)
"And have made us kings and priest to our God, And we shall reign on the earth"
---Mark_V. on 7/31/12

Mark_V. on 7/30/12

I greatly appreciate you Mark_v. You are a spirit-filled man, and faithful.

That said, there is no place in the bible where Jesus said, "I am God".

It would be good to not take His words out of context, saying Jesus was God, if He never made such a claim.

Holy Spirit records He is begotten of God, He is
God's Son, and prior to incarnation He was equal to God.

The Scriptures never say "Jesus is God".

That is a teaching that comes out of men's reasonings, not the evidence.

Re 5:9 for thou (Jesus Christ) wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God...
And (Jesus Christ) hast made us (Israel) unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
---Phil on 7/31/12

previous post, quotation marks missing: Char wrote: "The Word spoken/written is for every level of mankind, hence,(Seed).
Sons of God(anthen to gennao)Jn3:3
Children of God:Only Through/Within-Christ is this possible (Gods begotten Firstborn Son)"
My apologies Char

cont 1085 genos from 1096 kin (abstr. Or concr., lit or fig., indiv or collect.) born, country(-man) diversity, generation, kind (-red), nation, offspring, stock

1096 ginomai. A pro. And mid. Voice form of a primary verb, to cause to be (gen-erate), i.e. (refe.) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (lit or fig., intens., etc)arise, be assembled, be(-come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue,
---chria9396 on 7/31/12

---Phil on 7/29/12. Understood. I was not suggesting that you were incorrect in your belief. We who have received and submitted to the Inspiration and insight provided via The Father's Word are seated spiritually in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus, and are considered tangible extensions of Himself on earth. In that sense, each of us "unto whom the Word of God [comes], are deity. "For we are made partakers of Christ". (Hbr 3:14) I was simply questioning why you thought I should "back peddle". In the post you quoted, I was sharing from my perspective as a human in respect, and relationship, to his maker. In Psa.82:6 the word gods is in reference to those He had given to judge among the people, nothing more.
---joseph on 7/31/12

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The Word spoken/written is for every level of mankind, hence,(Seed).
Sons of God(anthen to gennao)Jn3:3
Children of God:Only Through/Within-Christ is this possible (Gods begotten Firstborn Son) Char, much youve posted interests me some questions , every level of mankind how many levels?
While away last week, was led to some of the same things youve posted in this and other blogs.
Searching fruit in Strongs in different contexts, came across 1081 gennema from 1080
Offspring, by anal. Produce (lit or fig) fruit, generation.

1080 gennao. From a var. of 1085, to procreate
to regenerate, bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make spring.
1085 genos from 1096 "kin" cont
---chria9396 on 7/31/12

Phil, I was giving you the context of (John 10:34) not the context of (Ps. 82:6). That passage has a different Context since Jesus in His humanity was not involve in that context, but was quoting that passage in His deity when He said,
Is it not written in your law, "I said" you are gods/" He was quoting from something God had already said (Himself been God, when He said "I said" in (Ps. 82:6). Yet the context of (John 10:34) where Jesus was claiming to be God, and there was no doubt in the Jews minds. We read in (v. John 5:18) these Jews had already sought to kill Him because He not only broke the Sabbath, but said that God was His Father making Himself equal to God.
---Mark_V. on 7/30/12

Jesus was claiming that many times human beings call themselves gods, ---Mark_V. on 7/30/12

This is not so.

Psalm 82:6 is an oracle of God delivered directly to the rulers of Israel.

Elohim, the Arbitor, is calling His people "gods".

It is not figurative, it is not symbolic. El is telling them they are deity, by reason of their relationship to Him.

It is with this in mind that the Lord addresses the group. In the eyes of God the Father, they were deities, gods, by relation.

They never believed that, their sins preventing faith.

Gods they were, according to the scriptures, yet the Lord only claimed to be a son, a lesser position. For this they sought to kill Him?
---Phil on 7/30/12

Phil, I didn't say that people became gods. Jesus was claiming that many times human beings call themselves gods, certainly the Messiah can be called God. Jesus was answering to the Jews who had just said to Him:
"For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, because You, being a Man, make yourself God" (John 10:33).
Jesus then said,
"Is it not written in your law, 'I said, "You are gods? (this was said before in the Ps. 82:6) If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and Scripture cannot be broken)," certainly it was ok for Him to be God. Why stone Him? Do you get it? I cannot explain it any better.
---Mark_V. on 7/30/12

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//joseph on 7/29/12//Standing in Agreement-Amen.
Ecc 3:15That which hath been is now, and that which is to be hath already been, and God requireth that which is past.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch as the sons have been made to participate in flesh and blood, he also likewise was made a partaker of these very things, that by his death he might abolish him who held the power of death, who is Satana
Phil 2:7 - yet emptied he himself, and took the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men
Phil 2:10 - That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, of those on earth, and those under the earth,
Phil 2:11 - and that every tongue should confess that Jesus the Messiah is the Lord, to the glory of God his Father.
---char on 7/29/12

Mark_V. on 7/29/12 "In a play with words, He claim that if human leaders can be called "gods," certainly the Messiah can be called God"

Mark_v, you heavy-hitter. I always appreciate your input.

"If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came"

Deity can be measured. Our portion comes through our relationship to the Christ through faith.

This sharing in deity does not make us gods with a capital "G", it only signifies relationship and position to the One True God, the Father. Likewise His Son.
---Phil on 7/29/12

I believe that this is better understood as 'you are God's'. Simply because, as human beings, we all belong to "God" as an offshoot of His thought, creation, and formation, of the original humans.
---joseph on 7/27/12

Joseph, I was addressing the fact that God's possession is not in view. It is the imputation of deity, or godlikeness (a cumbersome word in English), and not mere possession.

Indeed, the Scriptures are implying god-like attributes to men, one of which, Disposer (El in Hebrew), is given to men, to have sway over the earth. (Gen 1:28)
---Phil on 7/29/12

"Unfortunately joseph, backpeddling in this case would be appropriate."
Why exactly. We are human, and we do belong to "God". "He created 'them' (man) male and female, and he blessed them and called them "human"." [Gen 5:2 NLT] "Indeed heaven and the highest heavens belong to the LORD your God, also the earth with all that is in it." [Deu. 10:14 NKJV]
---joseph on 7/29/12

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Phil, Joseph is correct. We're all children of God, Spiritually speaking, the lost are children of wrath since they inherited the imputation of Adam's sin. When Jesus said,
"you are gods" quote from (Ps. 82:6), supports the interpretation that the "gods" were human beings. In a play with words, He claim that if human leaders can be called "gods," certainly the Messiah can be called God. Jesus said,
"If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken) do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, "You are blaspheming," because I said, I am the Son of God?" They didn't believe, they were not of His sheep (v. 25,26).
---Mark_V. on 7/29/12

"Char ... because, as human beings, we all belong to "God" joseph on 7/27/12

Unfortunately joseph, backpeddling in this case would be appropriate.

Ps 8:4 What is man... For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands, thou hast put all [things] under his feet: (also Heb 2:6)

Jesus is the Image all men will be conformed to one day. In the future, all men will be like Him.

He is the Firstborn among many brethen. We are bought with a price.

And as Christ the man has the fulness of deity indwelling, we shall share in His glory. What was lost will be restored in Him.
---Phil on 7/28/12

Could it be said, after reading this passage in 1 Corinthians, that there is nothng much beyond the scope of God for mankind than what is declared here?

God indeed has a goal.

1C 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
---Phil on 7/28/12

Brother Peter, your correct. God is outside of time, and what we see happening, God saw it all already. His decrees are His eternal purpose, according to His will, whereby He has foreordained whatever comes to pass. His decrees do not negate the responsibility of people for their sins, nor does it mean that God is responsible for sin. But, it necessarily is true that God knows all thing actual as well as potential.
"Remember the former things long past, for I am God, and there is no other, I am God, and there is no one like Me. Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things which have not been done, saying, My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all My good pleasure" (Isaiah 46:9,10).
---Mark_V. on 7/29/12

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Cluny, I do not think that God must be in time in order to have a goal.

We know God is not in time.

When people have a goal, indeed we set the result of the goal in the future, and thus the result of OUR goals are set by time.

But I think God sets his goals only by OUR being in time - that WE will have this happen in OUR future, but always in God's present, because everything is in God's present.

It is just an idea......

Do you think it might be possible?
---Peter on 7/28/12

Our Father wants Jesus to have us as His Bride Church. And in order for us to be the Bride of Jesus, God is changing us to become like Jesus. So, God does have this goal, which He "predestined" > that we will be "conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren," we have in Romans 8:29.

Also, God is so pleased with how Jesus is. So, it is for His pleasure that He makes us His children become pleasing to Him like His Son is.

And we have > "Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17) So, this is also for our own good!!! (c:
---willie_c: on 7/28/12

To ask if God has a goal is to assume that God lives in time, which is a false assumption.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/12

Again, Thanks Joseph,
For the record:
Ecc 3:15That which hath been is now, and that which is to be hath already been, and God requireth that which is past.
Job 38:7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Ez 28:15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Rev 12:4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

---char on 7/28/12

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Record: Cont'
Jn 18:36 - Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Jn 3:8 "He that committeth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil."

Heb 2:14 - Forasmuch as the sons have been made to participate in flesh and blood, he also likewise was made a partaker of these very things, that by his death he might abolish him who held the power of death, who is Satana,

---char on 7/28/12

Thank-you brother,

God is not the author of confusion,

His Word truly is "light."

//---joseph on 7/20/12//---

---char on 7/20/12 //

As stated previously,


---char on 7/28/12

Char you are of course quite welcome as always. We are in agreement. "The word of God is living and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Keep sharing and caring.
---joseph on 7/28/12

Joseph-thanks, before Our Father,mercy/grace.
Gods sent His Word to become flesh(Immanuel/Ysha),gave His life So, the opportunity for all likeness of men(whosoever) can receive repentance. Phil2:5-11
The Elect:although included, is "set aside" from whosoever.
Chosen (before the foundation of the world), the desire in their hearts was "set" to respond by the Holy Spirit for when (the call came) "follow me". Witness: (twelve) Many are called, but few are chosen.
The Word spoken/written is for every level of mankind, hence,(Seed).
Sons of God(anthen to gennao)Jn3:3
Children of God:Only Through/Within-Christ is this possible (Gods begotten Firstborn Son)Rom8:29, Ecc3:15,Heb2:14,Jn3:8,2Pet3:9'cont
---char on 7/27/12

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Char I think that I should also clarify my understanding of this quote, "I said, "You are gods." I believe that this is better understood as 'you are God's'. Simply because, as human beings, we all belong to "God" as an offshoot of His thought, creation, and formation, of the original humans.
---joseph on 7/27/12

"can you clarify your understanding of -- His children?"
Hello Char, I just noticed your question. We are all "children of God" "through faith in Christ Jesus". As humans, offsprings of Adam, it is written "I said, "You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High." However spiritually speaking "They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." Whosoever is born of God reflects as a reflex, the love of God, and is our Father's child. And "In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:...." Gal 3:26> Psa 82:6>Rom 9:8>1Jo 3:9,10
---joseph on 7/27/12

I think I understand your statement and have placed my Amen showing, I stand in agreement, however,

for the sake of confusion, can you clarify your understanding of -- His children?

If in the event, I misunderstood,
I respect your humbled state, And, again, I appreciate that your style of posting is not done with the intention of condescending anyone.

Thank you brother,
---char on 7/23/12

Joseph, very well done. I wish those who read would understand who are His Children. For not all are His children.
---Mark_V. on 7/21/12

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//---joseph on 7/20/12//---

---char on 7/20/12

"Does God have a goal?" Yes. The salvation and redemption of His children. Who will, as His eternal loving family, willingly, confidently, and without question, abide in His presence, rest contently in His way, and show forth His love. It is the love of the Father that prompted His creation. His desire to love and to be loved. We, as mankind, are experiencing this finite, tangible, human experience as representatives of either the Father's way or Satan's. The called and chosen of God, are witnesses for His way. Set apart as a show piece demonstrative of His method of operation, to give testimony through our lives and lifestyles, that the Father's way is true and just, thus best suited for his creation.
---joseph on 7/20/12

Cluny, if you are right in what you say when you said,

"The Bible makes very plain what God's "goal" is: It is not the will of God that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to the knowledge of the truth."

That would mean that God's will is been defeated by sinful man. We are talking about Almighty God. He is not so mighty if that is really happening. Because it is not,

"He doeth according to His will" in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35). And you are saying sinful man can stay the hand of Almighty God.
---Mark_V. on 7/20/12

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