I just came across this question again and would ask those who think that the Father has blinded anyone. Why would the Son work against The Father who sent Him? After all it was The Son, who came preaching recovery of sight to the blind. In Jhn 12:40 who do you suppose has blinded them, and who is He that will heal them if they convert? If the Father wanted them blind, they would remain blind. In John 12:46 Jesus proclaimed Himself "a light into the world, [and] that whosoever believes on [Him] should not abide in darkness." Does anyone out there honestly believe The LORD has caused anyone other than the fallen angels, who are confined by Him as prisoners of darkness, to walk in darkness? 2Cor 4:3,4
---joseph on 9/21/17|
"joseph, your wife's name wouldn't be Mary, would it?" :oD)))) Seg by your first post to me on this blog I discerned your sense of humor. Thank you for what I believe to be a compliment. And thank you for the laugh, I needed that. "Great talking to you." too sir. I appreciate the blessing.
---joseph on 9/9/12|
joseph, your wife's name wouldn't be Mary, would it?
Great talking to you, joseph!
My Father once told me, for a man of wisdom few words are necessary!
---TheSeg on 9/9/12|
"This is a little harder to understand. Now if I were the one who saw the light.
Why should it make a difference who believes me?" I know the light is there in truth for all!" Oh, I understand perfectly Seg. That has been my point all along:o) The only thing that I will ever attempt to convince any one of is the fact that Jesus is LORD, and there is salvation in none other. Even that, I will only discuss with those who ask of me a reason for the hope that is in me, and show themselves open to hear that reason, even if they are skeptical. However, If it is flat out rejected, by anyone, the conversation ends, with no hard feelings on my part. I am simply here to share.
---joseph on 9/8/12|
joseph, I do understand the point.
This is what came to mind. I have never seen the northern lights.
I believe theyre there because people have told me they have seen them.
Now if these people had ever told me about them. What difference would it make? This is not unbelief this is true blindness!
If these same people came to me, after someone came to me and said they are all liars. Not being able to see them for myself, chances are I am unmoved. Disbelief!
Here my point!
This is a little harder to understand. Now if I were the one who saw the light.
Why should it make a difference who believes me?
I know the light is there in truth for all!
---TheSeg on 9/8/12|
---joseph on 9/7/12--Well stated brother.
---joseph on 9/6/12----Your welcome.
---char on 9/8/12|
I understand Seg. I can only share on the level the Father has brought me to. I believe as I do based on the following verses, 1Jo 1:5>1Jo 2:11>Eph 4:18>2Cr 4:3-6>Luk 4:18 & Acts 26:18, in addition to those already offered. Could I be misunderstanding these verses? Of course. I willing acknowledge that I am both fallible, and finite, in both knowledge and understanding. However I do trust the Father that I will continue to "grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." And yes Seg, I do know that the only power Satan has over the believer, is the power that the believer gives him. Blindness references unbelievers. Thanks for the exchange.
---joseph on 9/7/12|
joseph, please believe me. Although at time I may sound cold or uncaring.
It's only because I know everyone man, woman and child, God has made will be saved!
But, in God own good time. Know this also, I love you with all my heart!
But, I like things being clear. Now you just finish writing, Rom_11:8.
Please consider who is hiding them, God is hiding them. The Lord is the only one with power! No one, but no one else!
So, even though it looks like Satan has power!
Know that this is his only power.
Also believe, these things have never been hid from us. They are hid from the devil and the children of the devil. To keep them safe, Gen 3:24!
---TheSeg on 9/7/12|
Even though someone might be convinced he is right, when he is not, it is important for others bro/ sis to make sure the Truth does go out. For many read and follow un truths. Willie, gave (2 Peter 3:9) and Char Amen it. As if we all agreed.
It had the wrong interpretation and made God look powerless and not knowing. That God is longsuffering waiting for mankind to come because He doesn't want anyone to perish.
We had already been told that "No one understands" "no one seeks of God" No one loves God.
How could God be waiting for them to come to Him? Doesn't He know already? The passage is speaking of the chosen who complete the redeemed, the elect. God does not suffer for individuals who will never come to Him.
---Mark_V. on 9/7/12|
Seg I thought that you were referring to spiritual blindness, my mistake.
I am going to presume that these questions are sincere rather than sarcastic.
"When a child is born, do you think he instinctively look for God? No.
When he's grown does he instinctively look for God?" No. "There is none who [instinctively] seeks after God." Rom 3:11
"Luk_19:42, Did Satan hide them or God?" Neither "For the hearts of this people have grown dull. [Their] ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed," (Mat 13:15) Therefore "God has given them a spirit of stupor, Eyes that they should not see And ears that they should not hear,..." (Rom 11:8)
---joseph on 9/7/12|
joseph, on 9/2/12 you wrote:
"Has the LORD ever blinded any Gentiles eyes?" The Father has blinded no one, He has allowed Satan to blind "the minds of the 'unbelieving'... 125 words!
He the lord clearly told Moses.
Exo_4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
Joh_1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
When a child is born, do you think he instinctively look for God?
When he's grown does he instinctively look for God?
Luk_19:42, Did Satan hide them or God?
---TheSeg on 9/7/12|
Cont...Mark what I was intending to convey, is that personally I have embraced the reality that "a man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still." Therefore I will not argue the Father's Word. Yet I will gladly answer any sincere question put to me, based on His word. In saying "a debate is futile" I was simply emphasizing the previous statement " It is for each of us to "be fully persuaded in [our] own mind". A debate is only productive when one, preferably both of the debaters are open to changing their view. Or the debate is intended solely for the benefit of others, and that intent is acknowledged or understood prior to the debate. Otherwise, it is simply an argument.
---joseph on 9/7/12|
Joseph, there was no need for an explanation. I understood you very well the first time, that is why I said I did not want to debate.
I also gave my reasons for why I believe it was God who has everyone blind through the curse. And since it is an open forum as you said, I wanted to make sure that when I answer I begin with God and not man. It is all about God, and who He is, which is our purpose in life. My only problem was I directed the answer to your name. I do love you brother and I will make sure I don't answer directly to you. I leave you peace brother.
---Mark_V. on 9/7/12|
MarkV, Char, thank you both for the blessing. Mark I did not intend to imply that you 'wanted' a debate. However please understand that in this open forum we, as finite human beings, are all presenting what we believe to be the truth of our Father's Word. When someone personally, openly, and explicitly disagrees with something 'we' (Humans) have shared, that disagreement places us in a position, (if not truly grounded in what we have shared), of 'feeling' the need to defend our position. Fortunately, by Father' grace, I do not feel that need, I simply provide the scripture upon which my beliefs are base. And, I make no claim of infallibility. Therefore I am quick to hear and slow to speak. Cont....
---joseph on 9/6/12|
//Therefore a debate is futile, for each of us will have to give our own account to the Father. If it not according to His Word, then it is "idle---joseph on 9/2/12 //
and God Bless.
---char on 9/6/12|
The curse that God put on mankind for the failures of Adam's disobedience brought spiritual death to all of Adam's descendants. Spiritual blindness, separation from the Lord.
(Gen. 2:17) God tells Adam that in the day he eats of the forbidden fruit he will 'surely die." Adam does fall, but his physical death does not occur immediately. God had another type of death in mind-spiritual death. The separation from God is exactly what we see in (Gen. 3:8). When Adam and Eve heard the voice of the Lord, they "hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God." The fellowship had been broken. They were spiritually dead to God. They all begin by running away from Him, that is why no one seeks of God.
---Mark_V. on 9/6/12|
Bro. Joseph, I wanted no debate just disagreeing with your answer some what and why. I am persuaded in my mind that God is behind all the spiritual blindness in the world from His curse because of Adam's transgressions. Thank you brother for your answer, and blessings to you brother.
---Mark_V. on 9/2/12|
No reason to be sorry MarkV. It is for each of us to "be fully persuaded in [own] own mind". I am, and I trust that you are as well. Therefore a debate is futile, for each of us will have to give our own account to the Father. If it not according to His Word, then it is "idle", and I am sure He will correct us, either in this life or the next:o). However, as always, I do appreciate your post. Thank you.
---joseph on 9/2/12|
joseph, Act 13:11!
Then let's change this to, the hand of satan was upon him.
Did not Christ tell you who has the power? Mat_28:18!
But you want to tell me, satan does!
Why Satan himself even told Christ Luk_4:6, tempting him!
Now, if you want me to believe God is saying, I have given satan power over you.
I will repeat Luk_4:6, his words.
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
---TheSeg on 9/2/12|
what are you disagreeing with? i guess i missed something.
---aka on 9/2/12|
I miss Christan?
---TheSeg on 8/26/12
ironically, there is more peace around here when Christan left.
but, i noticed that every time one that one who throws stones from a glass tower leaves, one takes his place or another one steps up his lack of game.
---aka on 9/2/12|
Bro. Joseph, good morning.
I'm sorry to disagree with you on this topic of blindness. While it's Satan who keeps those in the world blind, God is the ultimate cause for all things. Satan, a created creature cannot defeat the purposes of God. From the curse, all descendants of Adam are born spiritually blind. They walk and love the darkness rather then the light. (John 3:19). Satan keeps them blind, by permission of God. And when God wants to save one of them, God brings those in the dark, who are dead in trespasses and sins into the light, when He makes them alive together with Christ (Eph. 2:1-10).
"I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness" (John 12:46).
---Mark_V. on 9/2/12|
"Has the LORD ever blinded any Gentiles eyes?" The Father has blinded no one, He has allowed Satan to blind "the minds of the 'unbelieving' (both Jew and Gentile, who blatantly refuse to believe after being brought to a knowledge of The Truth, Heb.10:26), lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2Cr 4:4) It is "He [Satan, who] has blinded their eyes and [man has] hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with their eyes, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them." (Mat 13:15>Jhn 12:40) It is The Father's desire for "all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." 1Ti 2:4
---joseph on 9/2/12|
The Seg, without Christ we are nothing. Blind, without the real Truth, and no way to God. What is even most important is that the Mediator between God an men cannot be God only, or man only. A Mediator supposes two parties between whom He intervenes: But God is only one party. Consequently, the Mediator between God and men must be related to both, and be equal to either. He cannot be simply God, who is only one of the parties, and has only one nature. Therefore the eternal Word must take man's nature into union with Himself if He would be a mediator between God and men. (Gal, 3:20) tells us "A mediator is not of one, but God is One" The same Truth is taught in (1 Samuel 2:25).
---Mark_V. on 8/27/12|
Mark, believe me!
As much as I think, I see. I know I am blind!
But, as much as I think I dont see, I see a light at the end!
God bless you, my brother!
I miss Christan?
---TheSeg on 8/26/12|
The Seg, the Lord is the ultimate cause of all blindness to Jews and Gentiles. Adam's fall brought blindness to all his descendants. Spiritual and physical. Spiritual, to all things of God, Physical, because the fall brought physical defects. In (Deut. 29:1-7) we are told that those people saw what God did for them in the desert, with their physical eyes, "Yet the Lord has not given you a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear, to that very day" All people are blind, believers and unbelievers. Jesus tells us He is the light, and only believers can see through Christ. But they don't always see, they take their eyes off of Christ and get blinded. But unbelievers can never see until Christ comes into their hearts.
---Mark_V. on 8/25/12|
Chip, well said!
Something's people should really think of when thinking of blindness.
There was a woman brought before Christ, taken in the very act!
In the end they all walked away seeing, but they were blinded.
When the men saw the women crying at the lord feet and said.
This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.
Were they all not blinded?
These things were written for are understanding!
And if we really understand them, then we can understand this.
For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see, and that they which see might be made blind.
---TheSeg on 8/21/12|
Not exactly sure of the context of the question here.....
But, certainly God hardens hearts of those whom oppose Him.
I have read several books where God has blinded the eyes of the non-believers, when it supports His goals. Thinking terms of Christians in hostile lands, people whom have smuggled Bibles, etc.
---Chip on 8/18/12|
Cluny, why not speak the truth here, that the reason you are E. orthodox is because you put your faith in man's non-biblical traditions. Where Jesus Christ has been replaced as Mediator by Mary and saints and now worship goes to them instead of Christ. You probably believe Jesus Christ needs help.
---Mark_V. on 8/17/12|
\\So, to all who'd rather engage in man's idea of spirituality (religiosity), instead of DIVINE SPIRITUALITY,....Matthew 13:14 "'You shall indeed hear but never understand...".....Forsake "religiosity".
---more_excellent_way on 8/15/12\\
That's why I'm Orthodox.
All other forms of Christianity are mere man's religiosity.
You should follow your own advice, MEW.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/15/12|
Since JEWISH worship involved a "GATE" (Ezekiel 46:1), Jesus explained to the Jews that they must aim for the "strait GATE", but OUR worship is to be a continuous JOURNEY/"walk" with Jesus so that we make His path straight (Acts 9:11 "Rise and go to the street called Straight").
Everything in the N.T. was spoken to the people alive at the time (not everything applies to our SPIRIT-FILLED worship). The Judaizer/Messianic Jew embraced "MESSIAH" Jesus in NAME ONLY, but since their devotion still included Mosaic law, they only had LAW, not GRACE (neither could they understand "SPIRIT-FILLED WORSHIP")...and how many believers understand that we should not be 'book-filled'?.
---more_excellent_way on 8/16/12|
more_excellent_way, God bless you for speaking the truth.
I have read on some blog people say that God was only talking to the Jews.
Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people, and her beloved, which was not beloved.
And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there shall they be called the children of the living God.
And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
---TheSeg on 8/15/12|
In God's eyes, there are only two kinds of people...HIS PEOPLE and unbelievers who won't honor Him (members of GREEK CIVILIZATION).
IN JESUS, there is "neither Jew nor Greek". Everyone who lives spiritually inside of Jesus's body is a SPIRIT (spirits have no gender, "neither male nor female").
God told Ezekiel to 'lay off' all those who would rather honor earthly kingdoms (the reason for the everlasting "strong delusion").
Ezekiel 13 "I will answer him MYSELF".
So, to all who'd rather engage in man's idea of spirituality (religiosity), instead of DIVINE SPIRITUALITY,....Matthew 13:14 "'You shall indeed hear but never understand...".....Forsake "religiosity".
---more_excellent_way on 8/15/12|