Hypnosis Within A Church
I've been in a couple of mainline churches that use the art of persuasion by saying that certain things are not of God because it comes from the devil. But they have no scripture that states it.
Is that what you're talking about?
---jan4378 on 12/6/12|
Aka: The Temple police weren't respectful nor courteous when they came to arrest, "bind" & take Jesus into custody. Remember, they were doing the bidding of the hateful high priest, not the Roman Governor Pilate. Though easily spooked, they showed no love to Jesus!
Malchus (the high priest's servant) likely was overly aggressive in carrying out his orders & provoked Peter to strike him. Now, do we really think Roman soldiers would've tolerated Peter's action? No doubt, they would've killed him & everyone else on the spot, including Jesus, & that would've been the end of story.
Anon: Don't subscribe to the false practices of deceived people. Please filter what you see thru the Bible for clarity.
---Leon on 9/2/12|
"Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand." (Ephesians 6:13) So, if we are in God's power, we can stand. And Jesus who has all power is awake and conscious and alert and aware, and He is growing in us > "My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you," (Galatians 4:19). So, we are growing in His own power, and this has us standing.
So, I can not tell you that the Holy Spirit in power will always put you down on the floor or ground.
---willie_c: on 9/2/12|
"Most societies use the cadence of drums and instruments to excite the soul." Phil
Including the society that we call Jewish. As I read, David could jam. It worked on Saul.
---aka on 9/1/12|
"band of soldiers and some officers from the chief priests and the Pharisees...they"
Leon, i do not know how you determined who "they" were from the passages, but you make a very good point. even after the crucifixion when jesus (God) appeared in His glory to the disciples 3 times (once through a locked door), they were not "slain".
in fact, notice the effect on the guards of the tomb..."shaking" and not able to move (as dead men). it appears to me that the only ones who have the "slain" effect are the opposition to God.
---aka on 9/1/12|
Phil, concerning what you said,
"So-called "worship teams" have found execution and timing critical to initiate hypnotic states. Most societies use the cadence of drums and instruments to excite the soul. It is not spiritual worship"
It is spiritual, but not the Spirit of God. Many pagan societies and heathens use it to get people riled up or to a very excited emotional state. This works with people who are emotional who are going through some hard time with spouse or child. And when they get to that stage anything goes even their money. Most W. of F. begin with emotional songs, and people open their souls because what is said touches the problems they are having. I've seen places that go real crazy.
---Mark_V. on 9/1/12|
"Leon, there is an example of 'slaying in the Spirit'..."
---anon on 8/30/12
JOHN 18:3-6. "3...Judas...received a detachment of troops, & officers from the chief priests & Pharisees, came...
with lanterns, torches, & weapons...6 they drew back & fell to the ground..."
Anon: They weren't Roman soldiers. Apparently they were shocked, afraid & taken aback by Jesus' frankness. So, they stumbled to the ground, perhaps fearful of being attacked. They weren't transfixed or immobilized in any way like people who are allegedly slain in the spirit. Did Jesus ever do any such thing to his disciples? No! Jesus came to regenerate spirits not slay them!
---Leon on 9/1/12|
anon://aka, you are not the FINAL AUTHORITY on what happens when the Power of God shows up//
never said i was, but then neither are you. we looked at the scriptures and they have the authority.
//maybe you haven't been there when God shows up?//
that is total supposition on you part. God is always with us whether we acknowledge him or not. but, most have a way to attribute things to Him that is not really him at all.
---aka on 8/31/12|
aka, you are not the FINAL AUTHORITY on what happens when the Power of God shows up......maybe you haven't been there when God shows up?
His power is so strong, a human being cannot stand in His presence, they fall....some choose to bow at His knees before they fall, but obviously you haven't been under God's Shakinah Glory! It's way too powerful for man to stand up when it's present.
---anon on 8/31/12|
//there is an example of "slaying in the Spirit"..// anon
no, there is not.
the soldiers drew back and fell prostrate to the ground. that was a common practice of the highest order and a courtesy of the highest honor shown to people of reverence.
Adverb perhaps from the base of G5490 through the idea of a fissure in the soil, earthward, prostrate onto the ground.
that is how deceptive word of faith is.
---aka on 8/30/12|
No but you may want to read Watchman Nee's "Spiritual Man" three volume books.
I think Hypnosis is so subtle in the church that people don't even realize Pastors are doing this. That's why we're called to "test every spirit" to see if it is from God or not.
Also, Leon, there is an example of "slaying in the Spirit"....when they came to get Jesus to crucify Him, and Jesus said to the Roman Solider, "I am He" the Solider fell backwards and down to the ground. The Power of God is so strong sometimes that one cannot stand up. I've seen both, people who go down and are not in the Spirit and people who truly go down at the Power of God present.
---anon on 8/30/12|
It's actually mass hysteria!
---1st_cliff on 8/30/12|
Yes I have. WOF preachers call it "slaying in the spirit". There's nothing in the Bible supporting the practice. I therefore believe it's nothing short of witchcraft/sorcery (rebellion against the word, will & purpose of God).
Hypnotize (hip-nuh-tahyz): To put in a trance, spellbind.
Synonyms: anesthetize, bring under control, captivate, charm, drug, dull the will, entrance, fascinate, hold under a spell, induce, lull to sleep, magnetize, make drowsy, make sleepy, mesmerize, narcotize, put to sleep, soothe, stupefy, subject to suggestion.
---Leon on 8/30/12|
..."There are people who can go this way & that way to confuse a person, then suddenly demand things & be intimidating, so someone will get mixed up & just go along with the person. But "Test all things, hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) And Paul says, "All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any." (1 Corinthians 6:12) So, do not let people's behavior or drums or music etc. get you under their power, be submissive to God."
---willie_c: on 8/28/12
---Leon on 8/30/12|
I read how a guy says he hypnotized a lion. Part of it was by doing little surprise and sudden things to mix the lion up, I think. After a while it got into a daze so he could open and close its mouth. There are people who can go this way and that way to confuse a person, then suddenly demand things and be intimidating, so someone will get mixed up and just go along with the person. But "Test all things, hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) And Paul says, "All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any." (1 Corinthians 6:12) So, do not let people's behavior or drums or music etc. get you under their power, be submissive to God.
---willie_c: on 8/28/12|
I've seen something like hypnotic induction at a chapter of the Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship meetings.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/28/12|
The preaching of Kingdom theology has its premise in an earthly and soulish doctrine. Israel is its administrator, Christ will be the High Priest over all, and King of His people on earth.
Hypnosis is most effective on the soulish man. His senses have sway over his intellect, and the word of God plays only a minor part in his understanding.
The Body of Christ maintains ties to the Kingdom through it demominations and creeds.
So-called "worship teams" have found execution and timing critical to initiate hypnotic states. Most societies use the cadence of drums and instruments to excite the soul.
It is not spiritual worship.
---Phil on 8/28/12|