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Do any of you have opinions on yesterday's decision by the Church of England Synod's decision to not allow women to be bishops?

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"The "royal law" of what? From the verses you quoted in Romans 13:9 and James 2:8, it seems your "royal law" is to be justified by works, is it not?"
Why don't you tell us another of your fairy tales of what those verses mean? James called "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself" 'the royal law according to the scripture'.
You have a problem with what he said? You also have a problem then with those who murder, fornicate adulterate,etc., that they "shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
right? It was Paul who said the latter.

The taskmaster, he shall judge the task, be it 'perfect' or 'just'- Romans 14:4, 2 Corinthians 5:10.
---Nana on 12/27/12

Matthew 5 starts with blessed, blessed, rejoice, you're the light and the salt. Then it moves on to addvice on measuring up: Matthew 5: 20 "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Was given to signify the value God places in whom loves all men and wishes and does for them as best as is possible.
The taskmaster, he shall judge the task, be it 'perfect' or 'just'- Romans 14:4, 2 Corinthians 5:10.
---Nana on 12/27/12

Cluny: If the Bible says that no-one is righteous, not one, but also states that certain men were righteous, then what's going on?

Answer: Perspective:
Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he has something in which to boast, but not before God.

Do you see it, Clunes?
---John_II on 12/9/12

Hello,sis.RitaH. pardon me, this is ELENA we do not know anything alot about what happens in England.I am sorry to report. They just tell stuff like about the royal family ...gossip stuff! We don't have alot of access. I had a connection supoosedly my android the british news said I had been let go! They would not reinstate my newspaper app thing. I gave up.
---ELENA on 12/9/12

The bible also calls Job a perfect and upright man.---TheSeg on 11/30/12

Jb 1:8 that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man.

The use of perfect here is comparative, not absolute. That which men are capable of attaining in perfectness, Job was able to attain to.

Perfection is relative, not absolute. Until the image of Christ is fully formed in a man at resurrection, human perfection before God remains only relative, not absolute.

There is only One who was made perfect. And that through suffering.

Hb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered,
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him,
---Phil on 12/9/12

Isaiah 61:10 - I WILL greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God. hath cloth me with the garments of salvation. and cover me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

Philippians 3:9 - AND be found in him , not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by Faith.
---RICHARDC on 11/30/12

The bible also calls Job a perfect and upright man.

So then should we believe Christ was not the only one!
I mean in Job 1:8, the lord himself called him a perfect and an upright man.
Also says, that there is none like him in the earth!

Now Im not trying to tell you what to believe.
But wouldnt a perfect man in the eyes of God have to be sinless?
So was job sinless, Cluny?

Here is where some line have to be drawn, Cluny.
Because God called him perfect and an upright man, he is!
Not because of him, but because God said it!

I also believe his sins would have been forgiven!
God called him perfect! But, all have sinned!
---TheSeg on 11/30/12

\\One is I am not arguing it!\\

Yes, you are. I pointed out the the Bible called St. Joseph "righteous/just" without qualification, and you replied if he could really be called that.

If that's not arguing with the Bible, I don't know what is.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/29/12

Luke 18:19 - AND Jesus said to him ,saying Why callest thou Good ? none is good, save one . That is God.

Romans 5:19 - For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man's obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
---RICHARDC on 11/29/12

Go argue with them.
Cluny on 11/29/12

One is I am not arguing it!
If you are then, I feel for you, I only look for Peace!

This I believe is from the lord.
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Righteousness does not come from man. It is given to man from God.
So when someone is called righteous in the bible, it is a given thing.
No one is righteous, no not one!

No one would even know what righteousness is if not for God.
Now you may disagree with this, but thats ok too.
Because anyone who wishes to stand before God.
Must be before God!
---TheSeg on 11/29/12

Ecclesiastes 7:20 - FOR there is not a just man upon Earth, That doeth good , and sinneth Not .

Romans 3:23 - FOR all have sinned, and came short of the Glory of God.

1 John 1: 8 - IF we say that we have no sin , we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
---RICHARDC on 11/29/12

The word "righteous" can have different meanings. So, I understand that love.wins means his wife is more the right way than he is, though not righteous like Christ.

And a lady is meant to be her man's helpmate . . . to help him do what is right and be right with God, I understand > like Abigail did so well with David when David was so wrong > 1 Samuel 25:23-31 > he was so appreciative of how she helped keep him from doing what could have wrecked how he wanted to rule as king of Israel. But she knew she was not over him, though she had been superior to how wrong he was.
---willie_c: on 11/29/12

\\The question is would a truly righteous man be so minded?\\

The Holy Spirit, through St. Matthew and the Holy Gospels, calls St. Joseph righteous.

Go argue with them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/29/12

In Mat_1:19, even so, he was still minded to put her away privily!
The question is would a truly righteous man be so minded?

I don't think he was thinking about himself, her or the baby.
He was thinking about what others might say or think.
Again, would a truly righteous man be so minded?

Do you think she told him what happen, I do!
Still he was so minded!
Until, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream.

Now it came from God, so it wasn't him being a just man was it.
It was God doing the justifying!

I'll say this too even Job, a perfect and upright man.
Didn't Satan say Job_1:9-10!

It's always God, that's all!
---TheSeg on 11/28/12

\\So the words in Romens_3:10 still stand.
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one!
No one, nothing, zilch, nada!\\

Then how do you account for Joseph being called "righteous/just" in Matthew 1:19? It's the SAME WORD in Greek and Hebrew and Latin as in "none righteous." Only ENGLISH plays this word game.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/28/12

Cluny, I knew someone would, just not who!

When Judah saw her with her face covered.
And said let me come in unto thee.

And she let him, this is what you are calling righteousness?
Do you really see this as righteousness?
Even though the words are there, this is not righteousness.
This is paid back, for not keeping his word!

When he said, she hath been more righteous than I.
It not that she was righteous, but that she was right!

So the words in Romens_3:10 still stand.
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one!
No one, nothing, zilch, nada!

The only way to stand before God is if he makes you stand!
God bless you
And you too, love.wins!
---TheSeg on 11/28/12

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\\love.wins, you said on 11/24/12
She is more righteous than I am.

Everyone here has every right to question your words, Written!
You have to understand, those words go against scripture!\\

"She is more righteous than I" is from Genesis 38:26. Or is that verse not in your Bible?

Or are you saying that scripture goes against scripture?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/28/12

love.wins, you said on 11/24/12
She is more righteous than I am.

Everyone here has every right to question your words, Written!
You have to understand, those words go against scripture!

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable, there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Now you may feel she is, so you should say it that way.
But truly, maybe you shouldn't say it at all. For its not true!

Nor this:
But god bless you anyway.
On 11/26/12

Even I would say, Gee Thanks!
---TheSeg on 11/28/12

Christian, I have no idea what you are trying to say, but love does win because God is love, and God always wins. Peace to you.
---love.wins on 11/28/12

She is more righteous than I am.
---love.wins on 11/24/12

If I was to make a list of the things in which my wife surpasses me in the faith, it would become a book. Her simple trust, dedicated heart, unquenchable forgiveness and committment, o my, it would go on and on.

I have learned a lot of the things of God through my spouse, mostly by her example. Many seek her out for counsel and wisdom. It has been a loss for me to have ignored this part of her.

Talk is cheap, and when we are transformed and abide where neither male nor female matters, it is the spirit we will see, and boasting and puffed up minds will avail nothing at that time.
---Phil on 11/28/12

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paul says that we see the truth through a darkened mirror. for some, they are "bendy" too.

save your time because after all love wins.
---aka on 11/27/12

Christian, you sound a little angry. I apologize if I was the cause. God bless you.
---love.wins on 11/27/12

love.wins, first of all, I know I'm very blessed by God so I don't need you to tell me that, especially we do not know each other personally. So spare your hypocrisy about who God blesses.

I'm not sure if you realise that when you come to a blog and write something which are your thoughts in a social media, what were you really expecting? Especially if it pertains to Christianity you're speaking about.

The very minute your thoughts are posted, it becomes viral, which I'm sure you are awares of. I don't reply to "personal stuff" but when it touches the theology and doctrines of the Scripture and they are sketchy, I have the right to respond as this site allows one to.
---christan on 11/26/12

Never in the bible, are women called to be bishops.
Not by:
1: Command: No woman was ever commanded to be bishops, the commands to ordain bishops excluded women.
2: Criteria- the husband of one wife, which excluded women
3: Example: There are no biblical examples of female Bishops

In my humble opinion, anyone who thinks that women should be ordained as bishops ( elders) deacons, or pastors must show in the bible one of the three above qualifications.
---francis on 11/26/12

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Women have a very important role in the lives of believers! Titus 2:3-5
The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things, That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
---J_Marc on 11/26/12

Christan, I totally agree with your answers. I believe when Christians talk they use language that appeals to them, not what is scriptural. Man was given the authority over his family, not the woman. Those standards of God never change. A godly wife knows what is expected of her by God.
Man through time have taken advantage of that position, but those man or not godly man. If they were they would love their family as Christ loves the Church. We are all righteous in the sight of God, no one more then the other. And this is godly advice.
---Mark_V. on 11/26/12

1st Corinthians 14:34-38 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
---J_Marc on 11/26/12

Christian, I wasn't addressing you, but god bless you anyway.
---love.wins on 11/26/12

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"She is more righteous than I am." love.wins

As a Christian, how's that even possible? Isn't it true that God looks at only the righteousness of Christ imputed to the sinner upon justification? And that human "righteousness" counted as "filthy rags" before the eyes of God Almighty? So, how does one Christian become "more righteous than another"?
---christan on 11/25/12

Thanks Phil. I feel the same about my wife of many decades. We've been a good match. She is more righteous than I am.
---love.wins on 11/24/12

Are women inherently inferior to men? Just asking...
---love.wins on 11/23/12

That the serpent in Paradise approached the woman, and not the man, says much. To seek God on the implications of this can be profitable.

Men, for reasons of control and other inordinate desires, have used this to subjugate others to their own benefit.

Personally, without my mate, I would have gone through life without hope and alone.

Having a mirror that is true and well lit with the glory of God is great comfort when one does not know himself.

My Redeemer lives, yet why I depend on my spouse, this too God has ordained.
---Phil on 11/24/12

"...women are more given to the things of God, than are men who deem control a virtue." Phil

We are talking of one who "rules over" the congregation in God's worship, not what the woman was created for by God, and that's to be one with her husband and a help-mate to him. Are you implying that Paul was a control freak when he wrote 2 Timothy 2:11-13?

"But a wife can be in control of what her husband does. So, is there going to be a rule against "pillow talk"?" willie_c

A Godly wife NEVER controls the husband but rather helps the husband with the wisdom God has endowed upon her to manage certain family situations. It's a whole lot different when ruling over God's people.
---christan on 11/24/12

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Personally, I think the pastor should be a man as well as the Bishop.
---KarenD on 11/24/12

But a wife can be in control of what her husband does. So, is there going to be a rule against "pillow talk"?

The scriptures already quoted to me mean that being a man is not enough to qualify him. He needs to be "blameless", and "if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?" (in 1 Timothy 3:5). He needs to be proven in his own home, first, to see if he knows how to share in marriage and bring up their children right. And his lady is his helping companion, to help him learn how to love and how to care for people in God's family caring and sharing way. So, he can't do this without his wife.
---willie_c: on 11/24/12

Are women inherently inferior to men? Just asking...
---love.wins on 11/23/12

Women in the pulpits are against the Word of God and Paul explicitly instructed, "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve." 1 Timothy 2:11-13

There's no room for debate or negotiations, period.

Why God created Adam first and not Eve is clear. The man is the "head" and to lead his wife and family (the Godly way), and not the other way round. The woman was created to be a help mate to the man. This is clearly taught in Genesis 2:18-25 and Ephesians 6:21-33.

Because of the fall, this now becomes a struggle unless God's grace is upon the husband and wife.
---christan on 11/23/12

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It is to their loss. My experience has been that women are more given to the things of God, than are men who deem control a virtue.

Gn 6:2 And seeing are sons of the elohim the daughters of the human, that they are good...

If the organization wants to be true and just, remaining faithful to the spirit of wisdom to which the were called, they should cease their prejudice towards women.

The problem is the interjection of deception into the formula. It is real and can be compounded by the emotionalism inherent in women.
---Phil on 11/23/12

//bishops of the Apostolic Succession,//?? Here are the qualifications of Bishop. Titus 1:6-10 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God, not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre, But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate, Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
---J_Marc on 11/21/12

Anglicanism doesn't have valid bishops of the Apostolic Succession, so it doesn't matter.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/21/12

My opinions do not matter! Here is what scripture says about Bishops! Titus 1:6 If any be blameless, the HUSBAND of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.1st Timothy 3:1-2 This is a true saying, If a MAN desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.A bishop then must be blameless, the HUSBAND of one wife,---v4-5 One that ruleth well HIS own house, having HIS children in subjection with all gravity, (For if a MAN know not how to rule HIS own house, how shall HE take care of the church of God?)
---J_Marc on 11/21/12

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Had no idea this had happened as it was not on the news in the USA.
---KarenD on 11/21/12

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