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Painkillers Or Rely On Jesus

Should I take painkillers for my pain or rely on Jesus?

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//---Peter on 12/20/12//

This is nice,
May he continue to bless you,

Praise the Lord-

---char on 1/2/13

2nd posting-

//---ELENA on 1/1/13//
I thank Steveng for providing scripture for you to meditate/chew on and Follower_of _Christ for addressing the heed of concern.

As to the sense of balance, I will stand also with others for all their concerns.

I also thank God for you Elena, He has used you for so many blessings. You have been through so many things that God continues to use you as witness for.

I trust God and His love for you!

To Him be- the glory.
Amen sister,

---char on 1/2/13

//---ELENA on 1/1/13//

God bless you sister,
I stand with you and anothers, Praising God trusting He knows all hearts and is Healer of the soul, spirit and body - which - we all need.
Praise God for by Hearing "His Word" "faith comes"- as He testifies With/In-His Name.
"Hearing" comes by "The Word of God."

The Name of Ysh a define is "God Savior"
Down to each letter:

sh/shin=two front teeth
A/Ayin =an eye.

The right hand of God is Strength (His Word), He sent to mankind to save from death, to chew/digest/mediate on so the eyes of understanding would be enlightened.
---char on 1/2/13

Follower, how do you develope faith if faith comes from God? Why don't you explain that? Of course God is not a pharmacist, He is Spirit. He did not make the med's nor did He make cars, or houses etc. Many times if you don't take your medications you die. What if God wants to heal you, and provides medication that can keep you alive, but you refuse, and then complain to God, "why didn't you heal me?' and He will say, "I made sure I had the doctors and medicine to help you, and you rejected it because you listened to some guy on CN telling everyone that God does not use doctors and medicine. That you have to first develope your faith. And He will say, " I already gave you faith" why do you not understand?
---Mark_V. on 1/2/13

elena, I have never had chemo but I did take 5 radiation pills that came out of 3 inch thick casing. that made me sick too but I only did it once. my sister took radiation for 6 months and it messed up her eyes and bones. that has been over 10 years ago and she still has effects from radiation. God bless you.
---shira4368 on 1/1/13

Thankyou,Shira4368. Appreciate your comment on " rely on pills or Jesus?" Blogg. I have pain through out my body, sometimes really bad & then.other times not so, bad. I really appreciate CNT allow that topic because it took me back & seriously think' yes, Chemo can reek havoc on your thought process' but, that 1 reason I refuse any more of that rediation, all of it.I want to be in my own right mind.make my own decisions 2x I am not going for no more. God will be there. I believe if I have to tske a pill.I am going take it. I just know there is merit in prayer but I know right now. This is how it is maybe my pliight will change. God is in control. I wish I could see my daughter. God will handle that too. Love of Jesus! ELENA
---ELENA on 1/1/13

Man has found ways to circumvent God's way of healing and have profited from that. Doctors push pills like crazy because they profit from it

so true

It is harder to rely on the Lord when his timing is not same as mans timing. People often pray expecting instant results then decide the Lord does not heal today (because many Christians sell this idea) and then rely on the instant gratification of meds. Meds are not from God easily seen because there is no profit in a miraculous healing by God. The Lord can heal any health issue As I already stated if faith is small then use what is available while you develop faith.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/1/13

James, no one forces anyone to take painkillers. It is your decision. You want pain, you will get pain. What is suggest here is that you can pray to have no pain, and if you have enough faith, you will not have pain. Sort of what the Word of Faith teachers teach. If you pray for someone, and you have enough faith, they will not die. If they die, your faith was not good enough. The W.O.F. teach that if you have enough faith, you can speak to your billfold and say,
"you big, thick billfold full of money or speak to your checkbook, and say, You checkbook, your just jammed full of money" and speak faith to them to create in them and God will create what you are speaking. (Marily Hickey)
---Mark_V. on 1/1/13

Thankyou,Sis.Char really love your posts! You always, help me & others. Looking back, yes! What followerofchrist..mentions cancer drugs do have alot of side! I am gratefull to be alive but, there are times I have to just sit and just cry. I have to just be
still and yes, it's true some of us been in an element like the church' went my grandmother / believe INSTANT Healing! well meaningl?
it not always 1,2,3- healed! For my ignorance I beg God forgive me. I am holding on. Thankyou, sis.Char. May God bless & continue be encouragement to us.
---ELENA on 1/1/13

//---Rose_Jones on 12/20/12// This is beautiful thanks for sharing.

// ---ELENA on 12/18/12---ELENA on 12/20/12-ELENA on 12/29/12-ELENA on 12/30/12
///--- Standing with you sister. Romans 8 (all)

//---Follower_of_Christ on 12/23/12// for the record, I also see your heart and can bearwitness this concern-- Thanks for sharing :-)

//---Steveng on 12/30/12// Thank-you for providing these scriptures- His power--Reigns -- as He testifies/ confirming - His Word.1 John 1,2,3,4,5
I will give Him Praise with you...

Praising God for His mercy and grace,

---char on 12/31/12

Hey,Mary, ha! ha! You are doing very good! Smile well my best friend it's called cancer.
but I am gratefull be alive! they ask used to say same.. I use to go to church.
You know This my 2nd time with cancer & this is so different.Trying natural things helps alot.I took notes from people CNT before. The artichokes, garlic, B12 + complex. Lots vitamins. biotin, you made my day! I am looking foreward being just like you! Smile
when I can be like it distant but of coarse tell folks God is my healer.
Thanks! Lol hugs pray for me want to find a small guitar.:)
---ELENA on 12/31/12

Hi Elena, I am sooo sorry you're in pain, what is causing it honey? You're in my thoughts and prayers, love and hugs, Mary
---Mary on 12/31/12

Steven g, hope you never need medication for something. I had a metal tube inserted into my stomach right into my liver, and I did not have any medication and let me say, when they did that the second time, I made sure I had medication, it was the most painful thing I ever felt the first time. Thanks to the drugs I had no pain the second time. In fact, the medications were a gift of God for those with pain. Thanks be to God He allowed those things to be available to us in this age, where others never had them and died. Next time they open you up, pray there is something available for you. God works wonders through the sins of others.
---Mark_V. on 12/31/12

Steven g, of course God heals. He heals when He so desires to heal, and whom He desires to heal, and when He desires to heal. You can pray all you want and have great faith, it doesn't mean God is going to heal you. Whenever He restors someone to health, it is only so that they can live to their appointed time. No one is going to die before his time, or live longer then his time. His physical healing is not permenant. You will die no matter what. His spiritual healing is permenant. Everyone He raised from physical dead, died.
And you are right, because of sin, many make money. Many doctors also kill a lot of babies. And many lie, cheat and so on, all, that means you too, come short of the glory of God.
---Mark_V. on 12/31/12

Want to hear something ironic?

I don't know what's showing up on different computers in different states, but on THIS particular thread, links to pain management clinics in my state are appearing.

Or does this pass the point of irony and become satire?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/30/12

Oh, I am happy to hear ftom. All Mary, Shira4368, Bro.Steveng...Mary wow! I am surprized about the radiation pain.yes! Pain is pain.Thankyou, & Shira that my worry NOT Be hooked on pills..sister I am so in pain I can't hardly stand to even breathe thru my nose! I believe, too bro.Steveng has a point! I am praying, I believe with all my heart God will send me those few people Shira. He got a point. I can't get out alot. Pray for me God send or somehow give a breakthrough all things possible with God.Steveng I am goin write all verses down. ELENA thanks"
---ELENA on 12/30/12

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Elena, seek those nearby you of whom that are righteous to lay their hands upon you and release you from the bonds of Satan. Most people need that outward approach, the laying of the hands, but a few are healed because of just their faith as the women tounching the hem of Jesus' clothes. Remember, your faith has healed you.
---Steveng on 12/30/12

Mark_V., as for your doctor's remark:

Man keeps people alive with medications and medical devices. Man has found ways to circumvent God's way of healing and have profited from that. Doctors push pills like crazy because they profit from it. They have pills for everything - to go to sleep, to stay awake, eliminate pain (but rarely the root cause), to lose weight, to gain weight, etc. They even have pills to relieve the side affects of the pills you're taking. It's a never ending cycle.

God's healing goes to the root of the problem - and with no side affects. Plus, it's free for those who ask according to their faith.
---Steveng on 12/30/12

Hi Steveng, after my radiation, I had pain like I've never experienced in my life and I was grateful for painkillers, they didn't take all my pain away but they helped some. I don't believe God judged me for getting some relief. Just my 2 cents worth. :)
---Mary on 12/30/12

Mark_V. "The only healing that God does permanently is spiritual healing, saving of the soul."

This proves without a shodow of a doubt that you do not read the bible and that you twist anyone's post. Of course, God heals, even Jesus himself says he cannot do anything without the help of his Father. He healed every disease and disability among the people - and even brought a few back to life. Here are several verses:

John 4:43-54
Mark 1:21-28
Matthew 8:14-17
Matthew 4:23-25
Matthew 8:1-4
Matthew 9:1-8
John 5:1-15
Matthew 12:9-14
Matthew 8:5-13
Matthew 12:22-23
Matthew 8:28-34
Matthew 9:18-26

As I have always told you, you have the knowledge of God, but deny his power.
---Steveng on 12/30/12

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ellena, Im so sorry to hear you need pain meds. I took hydrocodone for 18 months and steroid shots in my back and finally had to have surgery. I would wake up freezing and in so much pain it was hard to get out of bed. I would take 2 advil and one hydrocodone. it finally worked up to 7 a day and I prayed so hard not to get addicted. since surgery I have not had 1 single pain pill. God answered my prayer. will be praying for you sweet lady.
---shira4368 on 12/30/12

\\Sure, you can depend upon man to ease your pain, temporarily, but does not treat the root cause. \\

In the case of my dear friend who suffers from fibromyalgia, he (and others like him) must take strong pain killers to be able to function.

NOBODY knows the root cause of fibromyalgia, except God Himself, and so far He's not told anyone.

Even YOU, Steveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/30/12

Hello,bro.Mark & bro.Steveng, may the bless you both, bro.Mark I tell you I felt to apologize to F.O.C. think FOC made a point,( if FOC had been more concise, clear not get into the thing about Trish, I never would get angry, but I did apologize) throw that aside it kind of awake a thought is FOC a point about faith? I mean it really bad when We are in pain be it toothache, childbirth, back, cancer etc.. does FOC & Steveng have a point? I am take regular tylenols refuse valium vacadin! I do NOT want to be dependent on high potent drugs
this cancer has it' own punishment for me..there are times I just pray.Give me so kind.ELENA
---ELENA on 12/30/12

Steveng, I don't know where you come out with your nonsense. You say,

"God's healing is permanent treating the root cause, man's healing is temporary treating only the symptoms."

The only healing that God does permanently is spiritual healing, saving of the soul. Physical healing is not permenant, for it is appointed for man to die once and then the judgment. Everyone dies of some sort of reason. True believers have faith in the Lord that is why they are believers. Of course people do get healed by doctors, but they live because of God, not because of the doctors. If you are given a new heart and live another ten years, it is because God wants you to live another ten years. All people die at their appointed time.
---Mark_V. on 12/30/12

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Who does taking medications glorify - God or man? Who do you put your faith in - God or man? How much physical pain can you endure to prove to God that you have faith in Him instead of man?

Sure, you can depend upon man to ease your pain, temporarily, but does not treat the root cause. When the pain starts again, you take more medications. Pretty soon you are on a lifelong road to medications.

God's healing is permanent treating the root cause, man's healing is temporary treating only the symptoms.

Do you really want to stay alive taking man's medicine for the rest of your life? Or would you rather die and be with the Lord?
---Steveng on 12/29/12

Follower: I read your original post today's post from you and I still stand by what I said. By the way, you don't have to be rude, or ignorant, in your posts to me.
---Trish on 12/29/12

Follower of christ ,please read Concise well Now we.see you believe+ why I know a patient yes! Feels as you- has colon cancer! refuses dr,meds. 'been since 1989 Son says mom "great faith" She still alive! what you are saying. At least we see better grasp what's your belief. All pain horrible. I search' the scriptures, pray! Not that I agree completely but,yes,there alot of mess in the medical system! So I am going to pray Thankyou for out lining it better & hope you will accept my apology for be so angry. I am human not divine. God got me on here to.learn more about him. I leave you with peace have a blessed coming new year. Love of JESUS! ELENA
---ELENA on 12/29/12

Satan (as a Spirit) has influence of the minds of all, this is why evil is present in world. Influence of Satan who is the prince of the power of air deceiving many into seeking drs and rejecting faith in the Lord and his power of healing. By not recognizing Satans power easy to idolize drs and medicine

100K+ people die each year from taking meds correctly and many abuse pain killers today that is not from God

Doctors are not gods yet necessary by those without faith. The Lord is perfect and by faith he heals. By denying the power of Satan and his influence (his influence deceives many to believe drs are gifted medicine is holy and all are from God) this makes it easy to also deny the power of the Lord to heal by faith.
---Follower_of_Christ on 12/29/12

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Follower, don't you realize that satan is spirit? That spirits do not make medicine, and nowhere are we told they make doctors. They are human beings. Then there is the remark that you know satan did it, when you cannot see a spirit who is invisible.
Follower, you have to look at things in the Spirit. God works through doctors whom are gifted to do His work. He works through people who make medicines necessary for humans to live as long as God permits them to. God works all things for His own purpose and glory, even satan works for God. Satan cannot function without God permitting him. There is many bad doctors, because of sin, that work for satan and don't even know it. Like those who are suppose to save lives but instead kill unborns.
---Mark_V. on 12/29/12

Follower: You said "medicine is not from God but Satan, as are doctors." That was what I was referring to when I mentioned my current plight. Are you denying saying that

And **AGAIN** Trish you failed to read my post. So you have answered my post with a completely unrelated response and continue on your tear about your love for Doctors. If you care to read my post and reply to the entire post feel free. If you don't then I have nothing else to respond to you. Because like always you have a knack for taking a topic and making it about you and all of your woes. Ironically changing the topic to men their accomplishments and traditions and taking it away from the Lord.
---Follower_of_Christ on 12/29/12

To follower of christ, how heartless can you be? I CAN SAY TRUTHFULLY YOU GOT ME VERY ANGRY WITH YOU! I am a person I try to avoid problems but you have pushed too far! Trish for all good she has tried to tell you & God can know you sound very ignorant. I am straight out with you can pick on me.. it'd be fine. I hope you happy hurt someone when their are a. Coward. Pride goes before a fall. You got too much arrogant pride! ELENA
---ELENA on 12/28/12

Follower: You said "medicine is not from God but Satan, as are doctors." That was what I was referring to when I mentioned my current plight. Are you denying saying that?
---Trish on 12/28/12

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Yeah,Follower of christ? You need to repent before God! She has a broken leg so you going to talk down to her! That just wrong! How would you feel if it was you? I tell you just do not understand how you can critisize someone that ill & Trish has been through alot! I.hold my own and. I can truthfully you do NOT seem to grasp the reality here. A broken foot! Or even cancer or any kind of pain. It does NOT who's the better christian! If you are in severe pain well I would not punish someone if hey. Pain can be horrible! Everyone is able make their own choice. Be reasonable
You allow to disagree. But do NOT drag someone down.. because it nor. Right. You disagree leave it at that.don't talk down to her. Be better than that. ELENA
---ELENA on 12/28/12

Follower: I broke my foot last week. The bones require screws being put in to reattach. That requires the Lord working through a skilled surgeon. I know many doctors who love the Lord, and trust Him to work through them. I'm pretty sure if I do NOT have the surgery, I will be crippled for life.

whatever!!! honestly did you read the question?? It was about medicine. honestly did you read my response??? or just have a need to change the subject to all about you you you and nothing about the topic again!! oh but please do continue on with your incessant need to bring unrelated happenings in your life and somehow compare your apple (broken bone) to my orange (response about faith and medicine)
---Follower_of_Christ on 12/28/12

Bro.Cluny,How you doing? There are times, ELENA feels sick & then you come with your jokes! You a mess, you just special, you hold your own.I like your sense of humor most times.Life is short, laugh as much as I can! Even bought me a
:) a penhead doll / all he do is ha ha ha ha... love of JESUS!
---ELENA on 12/26/12

Hello,you. Know Trish,Shira4368,bro.Mark You all are telling FOC the God's truth! It's easy to say alot until it happens to you! Trish, myself & different ones on here we know God ordained the doctors. I have no malice towards anyone.If like me or Trish we need take for pain, who has the right to rake us over the coals? I love peace but I also, believe you do NOT judge us until you been through it. Trish you are right you got to do what you know best for you.
---ELENA on 12/25/12

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There is certain pain, not what most refer to here, which is not physical, for which "pain killers" may kill more than pain. By pain killers I do not mean meds, at least not exclusively. But rather those things/thoughts/ways of thinking that keeps us from Truth. These have been established over time as a means of coping with or avoiding what may seem and feel devastating. They are a means of protection, however, when held to rather than Truth, truly do kill. For such, Jesus is the ONLY antidote.
---chria9396 on 12/25/12

follower you are so full of pride. what are you going to say when the dr (if you believe in drs) tells you that you have 6 months to live. you will lay in bed and die in 6 months. I hope you aren't married with children that may some day need medical attention so they won't die. they deserve better than that.
---shira4368 on 12/24/12


Remmeber Jesus cured some blind men with spit (Mark 8:23) and clay and spit (John 9:6) rather than just saying "receive your sight". These could be considered primitive medical procedures.

Also, Proverbs 31:6 and 1 Timothy 5:23 recommend medicinal use of alcohol.

Do you have any scripture (chapter and verse, please) that SAYS "medicine is from Satan"?
---StrongAxe on 12/24/12

\\medicine is not from God it is from Satan, as are Doctors.\\

Very nice, FoC. Now go play with it outside.

Merry Christmas to Christians on here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/24/12

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markv, thanks but no one can attack my heart. thats been tried before. I am sound in my faith. I fear those to kill the body and soul. just like the blog on southerners. we can get a little loud at times but you know what? its better than not being heard at all. it is a fact when you visit the south, you will hear someone like me...loud. God bless
---shira4368 on 12/24/12

Follower: I broke my foot last week. The bones require screws being put in to reattach. That requires the Lord working through a skilled surgeon. I know many doctors who love the Lord, and trust Him to work through them. I'm pretty sure if I do NOT have the surgery, I will be crippled for life.

You know the story about the man and the flood? The flood waters were rising, and the rescuers kept coming to his house to get him, and he said he was trusting God, and the flood waters took him, and when he got to heaven, he asked the Lord why He didn't rescue him? God told him He sent all the rescuers, and he didn't go with them.
---Trish on 12/24/12

Sister Shira, thank you for been you and speaking out when it could be detrimental to you personally. It's ok sister. It is always the same people. They don't want me to tell them the Truth. Like we have to be politically correct when we speak and loving, while at the same time compromising the word of God. Well, I am sorry they don't like the Truth. But the Truth is what they will continue to get, for I will never compromise the Truth just to be loving. When I die, then I will stop speaking for the Lord. Until then, I will be answering for as long as God allows me.
Have a wonderful Christmas sister and a very safe New Year to you and family.
---Mark_V. on 12/23/12

nana, who said they were born again 3 times? I haven't heard markv say that. how can one be born 3 times? I have not heard markv say too many things that were not biblical.
---shira4368 on 12/23/12

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"But you guys resort to get personal. You cannot answer with Scripture, so you guys answer with accusations."
Mark_V. on 12/23/12

That is what you frequently do with everyone who disagrees with you. Always bringing 'RCC' when addressing me. Knowing full well I am not.
Dragging the now defunct Eloy? down with "you were the Light that Jesus saw", " been born again 3 times" and many other things to many people.
Just like a sissy, once you find something you deem detrimental, you try and drag the person through the mud. Like Jerry and Francis who can't say
a word without you bringing 'Sat Sabbath' into it and without relevance.
---Nana on 12/23/12

follower, luke was a physican and I am sure if he had been from satan, Jesus would not have called him to be a disciple. If it had not been for dr's and antibiotics I would have died at age 9. I also could have died at age 33. I do believe God healed me but He also uses dr's to heal. I am thankful God gave us dr's and medicine. it is a shame that so many abuse it.
---shira4368 on 12/23/12

medicine is not from God it is from Satan, as are Doctors. It is from sin we are a sick world with disease and physical pain, however not everyone has faith like the women who touched the Lords garments knowing she would be healed by him, or the centurion who knew because the Lord spoke he could heal people not in his presence. Having that type of faith today is not common, and sin separates us from the Father. Use what is available because your faith is small, and learn to break free of mans medicine (often resulting in addictions and other unwanted physical symptoms) and learn to rely more on the Lord.
---Follower_of_Christ on 12/23/12

Aka, I do not dispise Kathr, or you or anyone. You are who you are, I had no matter in that. I cannot change anyone. I would rather talk about the Bible with Kathr and you then to talk about your person. But you guys resort to get personal. You cannot answer with Scripture, so you guys answer with accusations. What is in your heart comes out. That I cannot help either. When you ask me a godly question, I try to be respectful to you and give you an answer from the Bible. You ask to find holes in what I say, yet I indulge you for the glory of God, who do you speak for? Yourself? No one here is going to agree on everything. I know why many of you take it personal, because the Truth is powerful, it really divides.
---Mark_V. on 12/23/12

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To 1st.Cliff, so sorry about your sister-in-law passing. Bro.Peter so glad the lord healed & helped you.I also have epilepsy but thankfull been alot better.
Praise JESUS. Amen.
---ELENA on 12/22/12

//_____ why don't you take a little break? I believe we all know by now how much you dispise [sic] ______. You both went at each other on other blogs and none of it is for the glory of Christ that you constantly put down. // - Mark_V

now, insert Mark_V and Kathr...

some of us that were here in the past had to put up with your non-sense for two straight years. whole blog questions were filled with multiple posts of you going at each other.

it is funny. i was just about to suggest that you take a break. but, per normal, you say something to another that really does apply to you also.
---aka on 12/22/12

\\ I believe we all know by now how much you dispise J. Marc. \\

I don't despise JMarc. I feel no bitterness, animosity, or hatred toward him. I'm sorry for him. He is obviously suffering from mental and or spiritual delusion.

\\Don't you feel some shame?\\

For what? I've done nothing to be ashamed of. I've not posted prayers here saying "God, I thank Thee that I'm not as other men who observe Christmas," except to show him how blasphemous he sounds, hoping that holding up a mirror to him will make him think.

All it does is confirm him in his paranoia, apparently.

Merry Christmas.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/22/12

Cluny, why don't you take a little break? I believe we all know by now how much you dispise J. Marc. You both went at each other on other blogs and none of it is for the glory of Christ that you constantly put down.
Don't you feel some shame? Going around saying what you do is very wrong. If you were discussing Scripture it would be different but you are not, this are personal attacks. You are better then that. I didn't like some of the things J. Marc said, but we move on for the real glory of Christ. Don't let your stamp "for the glory of Christ" be crush by your words.
---Mark_V. on 12/22/12

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\\Just another attack, BULLY!\\

Oh, boo the hoo, JMarc.

Keep blessing me with your attacks. You merely add to my heavenly treasure.

Merry Christmas or Happy Humbug (choose one).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/22/12

My brother lost his wife to breast cancer "relying on Jesus" .
By the time he took her to the doctor it was too late.
You make your choices, I'll make mine!
---1st_cliff on 12/22/12

Cluny, I know it isn't a scriptural response, but a quote from Forest Gump "Stupid is as stupid does". I hope I'm not putting my salvation in jeopardy, but I question not his, but YOUR mental stability.
---cher01 on 12/21/12

"concerned about your mental health and stability and grasp on reality, JMarc"

Just another attack, BULLY!

2nd Cor. 5:12 For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.

5:13 For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.Hosea 9:7 The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come, Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred.
---jmarc on 12/21/12

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Cluny, I know it isn't a scriptural response, but a quote from Forest Gump "Stupid is as stupid does". I hope I'm not putting my salvation in jeopardy, but I question his mental stability.
---cher01 on 12/21/12

\\cluny do you pick on people in your posts?
---jamea3475 on 12/21/12\\

Only those who post prayers thanking God that they are not like other men who don't observe Christmas, or otherwise claim spiritual superiority to others on here on the basis of what they DON'T do.

Merry Christmas!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/21/12

jamea3475 you asked cluny, do you pick on people in your posts?

Just read clunys and my blog replys to me since October!

The man has tryed to deligitmise the truths and scripture i give by besmirching me personally, and saying that i do to him what he does to me!
---jmarc on 12/21/12

cluny do you pick on people in your posts?
---jamea3475 on 12/21/12

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\\i escaped from BONDAGE to PHYSICIANS!
---jmarc on 12/20/12\\

Could these physicians have been psychiatrists because your family was concerned about your mental health and stability and grasp on reality, JMarc?

Merry Christmas, everybody!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/20/12

My feeling is that while we wait for Jesus (because Jesus when He works miracles, He does not give us a timetable for when) we may ask wordly doctors as well.

In the long term, Jesus helps, but He ma even help through a doctor.

I was diagnosed with more or less incurable epilepsy..... they opened my head up to try taking up the part of my brain they 'thought' was the problem. They said if it worked it would be fixed in two months. Six months passed, nothing. After six months....... it seems to be OK

Whom do I thank...... I thank Jesus, of course
---Peter on 12/20/12

Hello,sis.Rosejones, thankyou vert much I hope have your name correct. I had some various good & yes, last a very bad experience.Many here, read my case.however, even with any illness, cancer has not hamper me but the Lord has helped me.I do take time in prayer.I do also believe same as you mention.My grandmother taught me alot bout God & I got my hope, faith in Him.thankyou really enjoy your testimony! ELENA
---ELENA on 12/20/12

My parents trusted in PHYSICIANS, took me to the hospital as a youngster, the PHYSICIANS put me in an unforgetable near DEATH experience!

i trust in the Lord to give me wisdom in how to take care of my mortal body!

Heb. 2:15 And deliver them who through FEAR OF DEATH were all their lifetime subject to BONDAGE.

i escaped from BONDAGE to PHYSICIANS!
---jmarc on 12/20/12

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LORD or PHYSICIANS? Lord first!

2nd Chr. 16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the PHYSICIANS.

i'm not on the same spiritual level as Job, but this Scripture is for some of you.

Job: 13:1 Lo, mine eye hath seen all this, mine ear hath heard and understood it.

2 What ye know, the same do I know also: I am not inferior unto you.

3 Surely I would speak to the Almighty, and I desire to reason with God.

4 But ye are forgers of lies, ye are all physicians of no value.

5 O that ye would altogether hold your peace! and it should be your wisdom.
---j_Marc on 12/20/12

Rely on JESUS and also allow help from medicine until your miracle comes! I was very sick and in extreme pain and the doctors could do nothing. I had always heard of prayer and healing, but to really experience it on a level like I needed help was something new to me.I started REALLY praying and seeking GOD. Even though it seemed hopeless from a medical stand point, I learned that with God all things truly are possible. I was prayed for by a minister that had the Spirit of God, and he anointed me with oil and prayed over me in the name of Jesus. God healed me and delivered me - and set me free. This has been over 10 years ago, and I am made whole - and JESUS is still the same! What He done for me, He can do for you!
---Rose_Jones on 12/20/12

One might just as well as, "Should I get a job, or rely on God to provide all my needs?". The rationalizations (and solutions) are similar. Trust in God, but get a job Trust in God, but go to a doctor.
---StrongAxe on 12/19/12


Here is some scripture for you:
1Co12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit, to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit,
1Co12:10 To another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, ... etc.

Did you notice he said gift of working miracles and he said gifts of healing. Paul is saying these are two different things. Here is my point: God gave some gifts to heal such as wisdom to know what is wrong with a person, and the needed medication.

God gave us doctors and nurses and pharmacists, and chemists, and research scientists, etc. all for the care of his people. So walk by faith and take the medicine as directed.

Does this make sense to you sister?
---trey on 12/18/12

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Dear Elena, if you need pain meds in order to function, take them with no condemnation.

My friend has to take both vicodin and oral morphine to control his fibromyalgia pain.

They have found the site of his MRSA infection, btw. It's in his spine, so they will be putting a drain tube in today to get rid of the infection. It's terrible, I know, but sometimes you have to get worse to get better. God has everything under control, including this.

His name is Rick.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/12

\\Rely on Jesus? YES! Not physicians!\\

God works through physicians. St. Luke the Evangelist was one.

Remember that JMarc can quote scripture, but it's no more Word of God the demons and Pharisees did when the quoted Scripture to Jesus. It is in St. Paul's words in Phil 3:8. BUT DUNG.

You don't want to listen to that, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/12

I will be honest with you. Because you need talk to a professional & talk to God. I have cancer & This my 2nd time so I really prayed alot. spoke to my family doctor, spoke to my surgeon & so , on..I have had pain bad but,Thank God! Up to Now Do NOT want morphine or vacadim but, my own convictions ( God be my help!) definitely, did not want to be in condition people think they can take advantage! I am praying. My neighbor told me how a couple let the father die! Because they got high on his cancer meds! take regular tylenol. Don't let No one in my home. try avoid alot of stress.
Wish you well. ELENA
---ELENA on 12/18/12

Rely on Jesus? YES! Not physicians!

Mark 5:25 And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years,

26 And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,

27 When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.

28 For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.

2nd Chr. 16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians..
---JMarc on 12/18/12

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God put everything on earth to benefit man. man is the one who abuses drugs. You can bet I will take something if I am in enough pain. I took pain meds for almost 2 years before I had surgery on my spine. I prayed to God that I wouldn't get addicted and God answered my prayer.
---shira4368 on 12/17/12

Jamea, If you pain is physical,you may need medicine,Jesus does not dispense analgesics.
---1st_cliff on 12/17/12

I have a dear friend who has great faith--but also fibromyalgia.

He must take strong narcotics to be able to function.

Presently he is in the hospital with MRSA, which is making matters worse, and his pain meds have been increased, as now its going up to 9 or even 10 regularly.

There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. If you need these medicines, take them with a clear conscience, and in thanksgiving and obedience to God's provision for you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/17/12

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