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What Is A Southern Baptist

You mention Independent/Southern Baptist. In my Baptist church members are baptized by total immersion, believe that salvation is found only in Jesus and that we must repent of all sin, accept Jesus as Lord to be able to call ourselves Christians. How does this differ from U.S. Baptists?

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---shira4368 on 2/5/13
Psalms 30:4 Sing unto the LORD, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.

Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them,

Acts 9:32 And it came to pass, as Peter passed throughout all [quarters], he came down also to the saints which dwelt at Lydda.

Romans 15:25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.

2 Corinthians 13:13 All the saints salute you.


If you have accepted Jesus as your saviour you are a saint, and you have the divine nature in you to help you with everything
---francis on 2/5/13

francis there are those who are as spititually blind as those who uses somebody else's material as their own and do not understand that it is plagiarism .

calling Michael the Christ is diminishing Jesus the Christ.
---aka on 2/5/13

---aka on 2/5/13
What Law came through Moses?.
and pray tell how on earth have I diminished the true messiah?
---francis on 2/5/13

francis, I hesitate to call anyone a sounds like you are seeing yourself as sinless so I won't say I am a saint. but...I am an heir to the throne of God, I have a mansion waiting for me so I can join my husband, I am blood bought, borned again, saved, a co-heir to Jesus and none has anything to do with the 10 commandments. I am saved by grace thru faith, not of works lest any man should boast. you absolutely are none of the above. if you think you must keep the commandments to go to heaven, you are gonna split hell wide open.
---shira4368 on 2/5/13

aka, francis don't like me telling him I am saved by grace thru faith. he actually thinks he can work his way to heaven. that is what Mormons believe. maybe francis wants 7 virgins and that is why he is so adament with his commandments that he thinks he can keep. acts 2:21 please read. acts 4:12. acts 16:30 and 31. romans 5:9. roman
10:9. romans 10:13.
1st Corinthians 1:18. especially read ephesians 2:5. Luke 18:42. Jesus says receive your sight, thy faith has saved thee. that goes along with I once was blind but now I see. I thought you were a woman and since I found out you are a man, I try to go easy on you.
---shira4368 on 2/5/13

francis .. I think the jokes are funny. I don't think the way you were using them was.

anything that you write for the public to view is publishing and in an earlier post you called it 'my' list.

as far as grace...john 1:17. for the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ

no wonder you need to diminish the true messiah.
---aka on 2/5/13

---shira4368 on 2/5/13

Is sinner saved by grace biblical?

Those in christ are called saints of the most high God, heirs together with Christ, Sons and daughters of God, new creation, fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Israel.

not sinners saved by grace
---francis on 2/5/13

---aka on 2/4/13

I am more of the DRAKE type of francis

I am not publishing jeff's work, so it is not plagiarism

I am not claiming Jeff's work as my own, I have state that it is from jeff so it is not plagiarism

But Jeff himself is a southern baptist, and a self proclaimed redneck, he is characterist of southern baptist

Why do you take these jokes so seriosly?
---francis on 2/4/13

francis, so I am self righteous. I think I have stated many times here that I am a sinner saved by grace not by commandments. you are the one who said your life was sinless. I never said anything of the sort. talk about self righteous, look in the mirror. I couldn't do anything without my Savior help me. He has given me much in this life. God always takes care of His own.
---shira4368 on 2/5/13

st. francis of a-sissy,

so, your plagiarism of somebody else's work was on point?
---aka on 2/4/13

---shira4368 on 2/4/13
Lets talk about self righteousness:

I always thought there were no Christian men out there and now I am convinced there is none.
---shira4368 on 1/26/13

are you so righteousness that not one single male out there can measure up to your standards?

what do non denominational churches believe? I visited one in the past and it was a dukes mixture of belief.
---shira4368 on 1/15/13
And your church is pure?

some people struggle with the flesh more than others. pray they will get under conviction and be saved. many go to church that aren't saved. we have some in my church too. God bless
---shira4368 on 1/3/13
But you yourself do not struggle?

---francis on 2/4/13

francis, do you really believe we can ignore you rants and self righteousness you have displayed here? you provoke people here including me. you sure don't have the fruits of the Spirit. you are not humble and you are not meek. you come across at "better than thou" commandments keeper. is that what your salvation is all about? you need to get borned again.
---shira4368 on 2/4/13

Why should I have said that?
francis on 2/4/13

Far be it from me to tell a saint anything.
You're a saint don't you know?

You said:
I am one of the saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 14:12
On 2/4/13

It's right there, look!
---TheSeg on 2/4/13

I love this blog, everyone has completely forgotten about theblog question, and is now focused on me. WHY?

Why can't you just ignore me and post to the blog question

You may be a southen baptist if:
Your vehicle has a two-tone paint job--primer red and primer gray.
Foreplay consists of slipping off her saddle
Ya can't get married to yer sweetheart cause there is a law against it.
Ya celebrate groundhog day (cause ya believe in it!!)
You fish in your above-ground pool, especially if you catch something!
You come home from the garbage dump with more than you went with.
---francis on 2/4/13

After the second, I think he should have said, just playing, kidding or sorry.
---TheSeg on 2/4/13
Why should I have said that?
---francis on 2/4/13

The Seg,
thank you, brother. That means a whole lot to me today.

God bless you too
---James_L on 2/4/13

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James_L, God bless you, its good to hear from someone who knows how to forgive.
Youre a better man than me, I would have forgiven only the first line.
After the second, I think he should have said, just playing, kidding or sorry.

Although I dont believe there is any one religion.
I know no one has the right to put down anyones.
This is what he was doing!

But, I say God bless you because you did just as Christ ask:
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you,
All the way to the end!
Mat 5:48!

---TheSeg on 2/4/13

---Mark_V. on 2/4/13
Actually, these are what is in Jeff Fgoxworthy,s heart ( A MEMBER of the southern baptist denomination

I doubt if frances is southern Baptist
---shira4368 on 2/3/

I am not a southen baptist.
I believe in a God that does not change his age, his love, his doctrine, nor his judgments.

I am one of the saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12

I am one who has thelight of God in me: To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20

I am closer to Seventh day Baptist than Southern baptist
---francis on 2/4/13

Mark V, Shira and others,
I'm a Southern Baptist and I didn't take any offense in what francis posted.

His first one was a harmless attempt to be funny. But when he got chided his flesh took over

We've all been in similar situations. He has bigger issues than a Foxworthy list.

I live in a town of about 2,000 just outside of Kansas City, so I'm acquainted with plenty on those lists. We also have a really good one here that Foxworthy has missed, I think.

If the car you drive to work every day has a deer rack on top of it, you might be.....
---James_L on 2/4/13

francis, everyday you expose what is in your heart. A very bad example to everyone. And no, you do not keep all the laws. You keep talking bad about others. You break the 9th commandment all the time, but you claim you are sinless because you keep the 4th commandment.
---Mark_V. on 2/4/13

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trish, I doubt if frances is southern Baptist since he wouldn't make fun of his own church. praise God jeff Foxworthy is at least a Baptist. at least he goes to church but he makes a living being funny. francis is not funny when he jokes. he is just pathetic. actually he is entertaining me.
---shira4368 on 2/3/13

francis, you have no concept of what it truly means to "love thy neighbor".
---trey on 2/2/13
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Now, have I done ANY of these against ANYONE: keeping in mind that the person whom I am quoting (Jeff Foxworthy) IS a member of the Southern Baptist denominations?
---francis on 2/3/13

Speaking of francis,
The Apostle Paul said:
Mt7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

francis, you have no concept of what it truly means to "love thy neighbor".

You simply continue to prove the scriptures true:

Jer13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

To all of God's children: (Christ speaking)
Joh15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
---trey on 2/2/13

---aka on 2/2/13
I am not denying it at all
this is from Jeff Foxworthy " why might be a redneck if.."

I am 100% sure that there are southern baptist who are rednecks

P.S Jeff Foxworthy IS a m,ember of the Southern Baptist denominations

---Trish on 2/2/13
probable, but not Possible
---francis on 2/2/13

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//aka are you claiming that there are no southern baptist whose..// francis

are you claiming that there are no sdas who are...?

francis, you are you denying that you are presenting someone else's work as your own.
---aka on 2/2/13

Shira, maybe Francis is a redneck, and is lonely. So, he's including you and all the other Southern Baptists so he's not so lonely.
---Trish on 2/2/13

frances is describing all the attibutes of a red neck. everyone knows red necks live up north or out west. really pretty entertaining.
---shira4368 on 2/2/13

aka are you claiming that there are no southern baptist whose

only condiment on the dining room table is the economy size bottle of ketchup.
rear tires on the car are at least twice as wide as the front ones.
consider "Outdoor Life" deep reading.
prominently display a gift they bought at Graceland.
use the term `over yonder' more than once a month.
The diploma hanging in the den contains the words "Trucking Institute".
mother keeps a spit cup on the ironing board.
worn a tube top to a wedding.
favorite christmas present, was a painting on black velvet.
thinks that beef jerky and Moon Pies are two of the major food groups.
think that Campho-Phenique is a miracle drug.
---francis on 2/2/13

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So far you have not like any of my more try. --- francis

"my" lists...

try bringing any of your works (good or bad) to the Lord at judgement.

life is not about you and your works. it is about what Jesus the Christ did.
---aka on 2/2/13

you may be a southern baptist if:

Your home has more miles on it than your car.
You think that potted meat on a saltine is an hors d'ouerve.
There is a stuffed posum anywhere in your house.
Fewer than half of your cars run.
Your mother doesn't remove the Marlboro from her lips before telling the State Trooper to kiss her ass.
The primary color of your car is "bondo".
You honestly think that women are turned on by animal noises and seductive tongue gestures.
You stand under the misteletoe at christmas and wait for Granny and cousin Bobby-Sue Ellen to walk by.
Your family tree doesn't have any branches.
Your hairdo has ever been ruined by a ceiling fan.
---francis on 2/2/13

you might be a sda if you take someone elses Words, inserted your own, and used them against others to show how great you are.

you might be a plagiarist if you use Jeff Foxworthy's "you might be a redneck if.." and inserted another group and reproduced it like it was your own work.
---aka on 2/2/13

Shira, in the end you have to remember that he cannot help himself. It is outside of his control. There is no inner man to convince him or speak to his conscience, that is why he mock's others as many others do also. Just like the lost. A very good example of a person who believes he has 'free will.' That they can turn when they want. They do not realize they are in bondage to sin. They need for God to set them free. He cannot do it on his own. He is not able. All the laws he preaches will bring him more sin.
---Mark_V. on 2/2/13

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seg, thanks but I am amused at the ignorance of someone who thinks they know all about God's Word. if we lived 200 years we would never learn all the truths the Word of God says. just let him go ahead and make a fool of himself.
---shira4368 on 2/1/13

Francis, please stop your inane insults of Southern Baptists. I find your insults/ jokes/ lists extremely offensive.
---Trish on 2/1/13

Mind you shira4368 here is a person who claims.
He keeps the commandments. Clearly not so!

shira4368, I agree with almost everything you said on 1/31/13!
And yes it is very sad and pathetic.
I'll say it's again I can blame someone who is misguided!

It's just too bad the Moderator here on Christianet.
Don't see anything wrong with it and just turn their heads. Five times!
Also very sad!
---TheSeg on 2/1/13

I know you are trying to be funny. The problem is that you are showing disrespect for the Southern Baptist. We should show respect of others and their beliefs. Frankly you are giving the SDAs a bad name by the way you treat others.

Luke9:49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
Luke9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
---trey on 2/1/13

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---shira4368 on 2/1/13
You prefer car keys to Q-tips.
You take a fishing pole into Sea World.
You think a turtleneck is key ingredient for soup.
You've ever stood in line to have your picture taken with a freak of nature.
You think the French Riviera is foreign car.
You go to a stock car race and don't need a program.
You've ever filled your deer tag on the golf course.
you have ever used lard in bed.
you own more than 3 shirts with cut off sleeves.
you have ever spray-painted your girlfriends name on an overpass.
your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand.
someone asks to see your ID and you show them your belt buckle.
The primary color of your car is bondo.
---francis on 2/1/13

francis, you belong on heehaw. why don't you see if you can catch a flight out today. this whole thing is comical.
---shira4368 on 2/1/13

shira4368 on 2/1/13
So far you have not like any of my lists
one more try

You could be a southern baptist if:

You have every episode of Hee-Haw on tape.
You've ever been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog.
Your considered an expert on wormbeds.
Your kids take a siphon hose to "Show and Tell."
The dog catcher calls for a backup unit when visiting your house.
You've ever bought a used cap.
Your CB antenna is a danger to low-flying planes.
You pick your teeth from a catalog.
You've ever financed a tattoo.
You've ever stolen toilet paper.
You think a hot tub is a stolen bathroom fixture.
People hear your car a long time before they see it.
---francis on 2/1/13

markv, you are right. I know I am tempted when I read francis post. I will defend my savior and my bible. I have a little thing in me that gets upset if someone even sits anything on my bible. I have gotten up several times and removed what someone laid on my bible. the Words are holy even tho the paper and leather is not. I'm glad you brought that to my attention. I have noticed everything you say francis comes back with unsults. he has even made fun of my faith..God help him.
---shira4368 on 2/1/13

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shira4368 on 1/31/13
I see that i have disappointed you yet again.

Let me try again

You may be a southern baptist if:
Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat.
Your mother has "ammo" on her Christmas list.
Every socket in your house breaks a fire code.
You've totaled every car you've ever owned.
There are more than five McDonald's bags in your car.
The Home Shopping operator recognizes your voice.
There has ever been crime-scene tape on your bathroom door.
You've ever been kicked out of the zoo for heckling the monkeys.
The taillight covers of your car are made of red tape.
You think a subdivision is part of a math problem.
You've ever bathed with flea and tick soap.
---francis on 2/1/13

Shira, do not let francis tempt you into sin. He preaches the law, and you know who he really is by his fruits, a hypocrite. Saying what he does to others. Always speaking for the law that he himself cannot keep even to calling me an idiot. He is no different then the Pharisees. Jesus says to them,
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites. For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence. " (Matt. 23:25).
This are the SDA's.
---Mark_V. on 2/1/13

francis, you are so full of evil and something else I can't say on christianet. your insults just make me feel sorry for you. you are pathetic to say the least. you must be all that list says since you know all about it.
---shira4368 on 1/31/13

shira4368 on 1/31/13
maybe I have the wrong list

let's try this: you may be a southern baptist if:
You've ever raked leaves in your kitchen.
Birds are attracted to your beard.
Your wife's job requires her to wear an orange vest.
You were shooting pool when any of your kids were born.
You have the local taxidermist's number on speed dial.
You've ever hit a deer with your car...deliberately.
Your school fight song was "Dueling Banjos".
You think a chain saw is a musical instrument.
You've ever given rat traps as gifts.
You clean your fingernails with a stick.
Your coffee table used to be a cable spool.
You keep a can of RAID on the kitchen table.
---francis on 1/31/13

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frances, I think you are missing the comment about Baptist. I think you have us Baptist mixed up with "what you would do if you were a redneck." I can assure you of one thing, what ever denomination you are that thinks you can live and obey all the 10 commandments, I had rather really be a redneck. know what? I would have never said what I said to you but you are always so busy trying to preach to everyone about the law.
---shira4368 on 1/31/13

//I always considered him an NT man.//
That has always been a traditional thought, Isaiah also pointed to Christ.
---michael_e on 1/31/13

You may be a sourthen baptist if:
You think "loading the dishwasher" means getting your wife drunk.
You ever cut your grass and found a car.
You own a home that is mobile and 5 cars that aren't.
You think the stock market has a fence around it.
Your stereo speakers used to belong to the Drive-in Theater.
Your boat has not left the drive-way in 15 years.
You own a homemade fur coat.
Chiggers are included on your list of top 5 hygiene concerns.
You burn your yard rather than mow it.
Your wife has ever said, "Come move this transmission so I can take a bath."
You read the Auto Trader with a highlight pen.
The Salvation Army declines your mattress.
---francis on 1/31/13

James & Michael. As John the Baptist features in the New Testament I always considered him an NT man. After all he was the one pointing to Jesus.
---Warwick on 1/31/13

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//We believe our salvation last forever, eternity. we are new testiment church but our pastor preaches out of the old testiment too. our beliefs are strickly new testiment.//

We believe the same as a SBC, I just happen to like the rock band style and the hymns because I love Jesus and he gets praise in both. I actually like hymns more now in a rock band style church because it is not a ritual like my previous SBC church. Just a personal preference. I am a huge OT fan because the OT shows the power of the NT. Romans Ch. 7.
---Scott1 on 1/30/13

Warwick, the reason being the Hebrews writer says 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
---michael_e on 1/29/13

the New Testament (or Covenant) was inaugurated in Jesus' blood. John lived and died before Jesus shed His blood. Therefore, He lived and died before the New Covenant began. Therefore, he was an Old Covenant prophet.
---James_L on 1/29/13

Michael, why do you consider John the Baptist to be an OT prophet?
---Warwick on 1/29/13

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Thanks Shira and God bless you. I'm sorry I took your words the wrong way. The limitation on amount of words allowed here can make it difficult to make our feelings and our meaning clear sometimes.

Also the difference in English as spoken in U.K. and American English can, sometimes, cause a little confusion, although that was not the reason on this occasion.

I'm really glad we got this one sorted out though.
---Rita_H on 1/29/13

rita, wow, I didn't mean to sound the way you must have read my post. surely we aren't to be unequally yoked. that has one meaning but many applications. thanks for not getting upset with me. God bless
---shira4368 on 1/29/13

Thank you Shira. I thought you were saying that you felt unequally yoked with me personally.
---Rita_H on 1/29/13

james, southern Baptist are not the same as independent Baptist. in some ways of course. independents are pro king james. most southern Baptist use niv. the music some use is way off the scale from independent b.c. music. they use to be like us but they are not anymore. also Methodist use to be like Baptist but they also are off the scale too. we don't belong to a convention and we tend to be down to earth. some churches accept you if you dress right. we have an independent church in our town that is too far right than me. they have a Christian school and moms can't pick up their children if they come with pants on. wow, totally stupid.
---shira4368 on 1/29/13

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Warwick, that would be John the "Baptist"
---michael_e on 1/29/13

Independent Baptists aren't necessarily WAY different from Southern Baptists.

As Scott pointed out, Southern Baptists represent a wide array of doctrinal positions and practices. There are some Southern Baptists that are EXACTLY the same as Independents.

For instance, the Baptist Faith and Message from 2000 has not been adopted by all SBC congregations. Our congregation has failed to adopt it every year. The biggest sticking point for the majority? Sunday Sabbath. I am in the minority

SBC stresses local autonomy, which means all are independent to a degree.

Independents are simply not associated with any convention
---James_L on 1/28/13

rita, I am not suggesting your church is anything but true. the only ones I know are in the states. I was just saying why independent Baptist pulled away from southern Baptist. there is nothing wrong with what southern Baptist do I am just traditional and like the ol' stuff. It is a personal decision I make. I just don't like modern music. sorry if you took what I said wrong. God bless
---shira4368 on 1/28/13

Michael, I have little knowledge of Baptist history. Who is the prophet you are alluding to?
---Warwick on 1/28/13

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We don't have terms such as Southern or Independent here in U.K. The church I attend is a 'Baptist' not Congregational nor Anglican, nor Methodist nor Presbyerian, nor Pentecostal. It's Baptist.

"Modern hymn and chorus book" is not remotely similar to 'rock music' here.

Who are you unequally yoked with?
---Rita_H on 1/28/13

---Warwick on 1/27/13
Do you suppose the baptist denomination came from an OT prophet called john?
---michael_e on 1/28/13

Scott, thanks for your answers. independent baptist are way different from southern baptist. We believe our salvation last forever, eternity. we are new testiment church but our pastor preaches out of the old testiment too. our beliefs are strickly new testiment. I know some independents who are legalistic and I want no part with them. we don't answer some convention or organization but we answer to God. some don't wear anything but dresses but I dress the way I want to as long as I don't look like a guy. we are very traditional.
---shira4368 on 1/28/13

All baptist in nature are somewhat independent. Most denominations have a top down approach. Leadership then to organization then to individual churchs. For example Lutherian, RCC, Presbytrian etc.). The Baptist is a bottom up approach where individual churchs can have there own style and practicies (deacon lead, staff lead, elders, pastor lead, congregation lead) but the individual bodies come together for theological debate, fundraising, mission giving etc which the individual churchs then decide to follow or not to follow. For better or worse this is how the southern baptist work things out to better serve God. This leads to a wide varity of churchs in the denomination from elevation church in NC to hymn only, suit and tie churchs.
---Scott1 on 1/28/13

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I agree with some of what you wrote about Southern Baptists. They were very liberal for decades. And I'm not crazy about our music either. But it's not the "rock band" approach. Our worship leader tries to blend traditional and contemporary music. This morning at practice we sang "He Leadeth Me, O Blessed Thought" and I raised a question about the second verse:

Sometimes mid scenes of deepest gloom, sometimes where Eden's bowers bloom

I asked does anyone know what a bower is? Nobody knew.

Then I asked why on earth would we sing something that we don't understand?
---James_L on 1/27/13

Fred Phelps is an Independent Baptist
---James_L on 1/28/13

I suppose a Southern Baptist could be a Northern Baptist who (in the US) moved south for the sun!

Michael I am sure the Southern Baptists are OT based as the OT (Genesis) is the only foundation for the reason Jesus came to die and rise again-the only gospel.
---Warwick on 1/27/13

Hello, all I know is ( it had cracking up! Laugh by the way at the time) we had some friends, they were from down south and so, they me to their church Southern Baptist they saw me and said " here we go she black so we got our choir now!"" But I couldn' t speak much English ha! ha! Much less teach them...They told me come back when you get bout 40.." I was of jesus!
so, they was really put out with us
---ELENA on 1/27/13

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rita, your post tells me I am happy to come out from among them. we are surely unequally yoked. it is also the reason I am not a southern Baptist anymore
---shira4368 on 1/27/13

looks like baptist are no different than any other sect, they can't agree on anything and they are OT based
---michael_e on 1/27/13

I find it sad (and ignorant) when people use the words 'perverted version of the bible'. Unless those people who LOVE K.J.V. understand thoroughly Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic they cannot possibly know whether or not the K.J.V. is perverted also.

We walk on dodgy ground when we throw insults around about such things.

The Baptist Church I attend uses the Good News Bible and a modern hymn and chorus book and God is honoured and praised at every meeting.
---Rita_H on 1/27/13

james l, you almost hit the nail on the head but we are not legalist as you say and yes, we are king james and yes we use to be southern baptist until they went way far left. now most southern baptist have rock bands that sound like a loud bar scene. I visited one in the past and I could hear the rock music before I got out of my car. our music is Godly and didn't come out of bar. most southern baptist use a perverted version of the bible. I can show you many errors in the niv and other versions and that is why we use king james bible.
---shira4368 on 1/27/13

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Rita H,
I attend a Southern Baptist church, and am somewhat acquainted with the difference between Independent and Southern Baptist.

Most Independents were once part of either the American Baptists or Southern Baptists. However, it was perceived that those two denominations were becoming too liberal, so many congregations withdrew and are now "independent"

Independents are rife with legalism, with ludicrous restrictions on music, clothing, etc.

They are also deceived into thinking the King James Version of the bible is the only one inspired and approved by God.
---James_L on 1/26/13

there are many different kinds of Baptist. southern Baptist are more liberal than independent Baptist. we all believe we are saved by grace thru faith. it is a gift of God. we don't need to work for our salvation but we work because of salvation. I am independent Baptist and we are very conservative. most of independents don't wear anything but dresses however I wear jeans and slacks except to church.
---shira4368 on 1/26/13

the duggers are Mormon. I just looked at their website. they are a far cry from Baptist. I have never seen them on tv. I don't watch tbn so that must be why I don't know them.
---shira4368 on 1/26/13

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