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What Is Star Of Bethlehem

Any beliefs about what the "Star of Bethlehem" actually was? Was it a real star? Was it a coagulation of planets? Was it, perhaps, a holy angel hovering above, guiding any visitors? (Angels are sometimes called "stars" in the Bible. Like in REVELATION 12.) Any thoughts?

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The star is understood as a conjunction.
Carefully reading the NT it will read that the wise men are seeing the star more than once.
Thus as conjunctions do they move together and apart more than once during their conjunction.
The wise men who read the stars would be looked upon astrologists not astronomers.The NT star is an inflated description and suggestive to be within the earths atmosphere so as to lead a traveler/seeker to a specific earth point on the globe.This conjunction is a date point for the year of Jesus's birth.There is a record of this conjunction.
---earl on 6/10/13

Gordon, the imagery given in (Rev. 12:1) calls to mind Joseph's dream in (Gen. 37:9,10) concerning the stars. In (Gen. 37:9,10) Joseph dreamed
"I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the Sun, the moon, and the eleven stars bowed down to me" (v.9). The way his father interpreted his dream he said,
"What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall your mother and I and your brothers indeed come to bow down to the earth before you?" Here the Sun was the father, the moon the mother and the stars the brothers. It was a dream that one day they all would bow down to Joseph. That is why his brothers resented him. Here the stars were his brothers.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/13

gordon, i see the connection. and i believe there are a few logical possibilities from your train of thought.

on this point, i don't want to be attacked. so no public discussion from me. but, i think you might agree if we had the chance to discuss this.
---aka on 6/1/13

aka, Do you get the logic or the understanding behind it?
---Gordon on 5/31/13

It was not the star of Bethlehem,it was the star of David. It was a real star.
---mike on 5/30/13

Mark V, Why not send an angel to be the guiding light to show where the Child was located? I mean, if GOD was going to go through such trouble, so-to-speak, to bend HIS natural laws of Creation by causing a star to move around, it'd've been just as easy for HIM to send a bright, shiny, holy angel to be the guiding light. Just as HE sent the angel Gabriel to relay HIS Message to Mary. In REVELATION 9:1, we see another (evil) angel that's called a "star". REVELATION 9:1 and 12:4 both call angels "stars". A bright angel up in the sky, from a distance, would've looked exactly like a star in the sky. I'm just saying that for the star to've been an angel makes alot of sense, from the context, since it moved and all.
---Gordon on 5/30/13

Gordon, you could be right and since God can do anything, who created the stars, He could have had one move. And since many passages in Scripture are not given clear details, the star that moved, could have been a supernatural manifestation. Like when the cloud moved in front of the Israelites, and the pillar of fire followed them in the desert.
Or it could have been that the writer of the passage might not have known that stars do not move, and so wrote a moving star. What we do have is a moving star.
---Mark_V. on 5/30/13

Gordon on 5/29/13

i follow you.
---aka on 5/29/13

I've seen documentaries trying to explain the Star on History and Science channels.

They didn't convince me. Why should Larson?---Cluny on 5/29/13

Because you haven't seen his documentary.

I have tasted many awful choc chip cookies. It doesn't mean there isn't a good choc chip cookie.
---Nikki on 5/29/13

\\Cluny, it isn't a show, but a documentary.\\

And documentaries are shows.

I've seen documentaries trying to explain the Star on History and Science channels.

They didn't convince me. Why should Larson?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/29/13

Mark V, I said that astronomical stars do not move. That would take a miracle of GOD. So, the Star of Bethlehem may have very well been a holy angel, up in the sky, bright and shining, appearing like a "star in the sky" from the naked eye. The Bible says that this star "...went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was." These verbs of "WENT before them" and "CAME and STOOD over" denotes that the star was moving for a while until it reached the place where Yahushua was and there it stopped and just "stood over" Him. Hovered over Him. Showing the Magi where He was. Astral stars don't do this. Angelic "stars" can. REVELATION 12 calls angels "stars".
---Gordon on 5/29/13

Cluny, it isn't a show, but a documentary.

I don't have time for shows, nor would I waste anyone's else time on shows.

But, it is your time. I just thought you might be interested.
---Nikki on 5/29/13

\\Larson proves it is most likely 2 planets together that made it so bright. But, many more clue letting them a King is born. \\

I've seen several TV shows with similar themes.

I believe that looking for a natural explanation for a supernatural phenomenon can be useless.

\\I guess it took them a long time to travel because most believe Jesus was 1 to 2 years old when they arrived to His home.

Most WESTERN Christians believe that. But Eastern Christianity, including Eastern Catholics, have an entirely different take on the time line.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/28/13

Gordon, stars which are suns, do not move. The objects around them move. The writers at the time of the writings, did not know that the earth was moving. In fact most thought the earth was flat and the stars were going around us. If you study the passages, it is clear it is a star that led them to Jesus. They said His star. Numbers says it is the Star of Jecob. Angels were messengers with the exception of the angel that killed many firstborns, he was an angel to bring judgment that God ordained. Just another thought, not an argument.
---Mark_V. on 5/28/13

It seems that since the Bible says it was a "star", then, it would simply be a star. But it's just as AKA pointed out, regular stars in outer space do not move, (Yes, GOD can make them move, but why would HE need to do that if something else that normally moves could appear as a shiny "star" in the sky?) MATTHEW 2:9 says, "When they had heard the king, they departed, and, lo, the star, which they saw in the East, WENT before them, till it came and STOOD OVER where the young Child was." The Bible says that this "star" WENT and STOOD OVER where the Child was. This star moved! Again, holy angels are called "stars" in Scripture, too. Like Peter is called a Petros, a "rock".
---Gordon on 5/28/13

I personally believe it was a vision given only to the Wise Men, but an angel only they saw would be something similar.---Cluny on 5/26/13

I was just saying it was more than a vision.

Larson proves it is most likely 2 planets together that made it so bright. But, many more clue letting them a King is born.
I guess it took them a long time to travel because most believe Jesus was 1 to 2 years old when they arrived to His home.
---Nikki on 5/28/13

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Bro. Christan, I totally agree with you. Many opinions have been drawn through the centuries as to what the star was. This very same star alludes to the star of Jacob (Numbers 24:17) which was prophisied by Gentile Balaam. Here speaking of the coming Christ,
"I see Him, but not now, I behold Him, but not near, A Star shall come out of Jacob,..." The Star represents Christ in Numbers. The passage in (Matt. 2:2) tells us
"Where is He who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw His Star when it rose and have come to worship Him"
---Mark_V. on 5/28/13

i have no problem that it was a star.

however, i have not known a star to move. Mat 2:9

a "shooting star" is from a comet, meteor, or asteroid. the greek work used is 'aster'.

however, what led the magi there is not important. the child it led them to is everything.
---aka on 5/27/13

\\He will convince you.\\

Of what, Nikki?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/27/13

Cluny, there is a great documentary that EWTN shows every Christmas time called The star of Bethlehem by Rick Larson.

I was able to pull it up on the internet.

He will convince you.

Everyone should watch it.
---Nikki on 5/27/13

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\\Anything wrong with believing that is was simply a star????
---KarenD on 5/26/13\\

Good point, Karen. I won't argue with that too much, but apparently only the Magi saw it--or maybe it had significance only to them?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/27/13

It says a star.

Usually, people will use stars to guide them to where they themselves have decided to go, and they know the place or the name of the place.

But this was different. They were going by a star, but did not know where it would take them.

H m m . . . this can represent how we with Jesus do not know where He will take us. Even by the moment, the apostles with Jesus, I would say, were always discovering what Jesus would to next with them (c:
---willie_c: on 5/27/13

There is some Astronomical software that show star positions by date you have to manually compensate for days dropped me the creation of the Gregorian calendarand remember that Christ could have been born as early as 8 BCE [Remember 1 BCE & 1CE are the same year as he western church did not know about zero until much later] and then software to convert Rosh Hashanah to a Gregorian calendar date. Rosh Hashanah is important as Jews that is the creation of Adam and the Messiah must be born on the same holiday date to the second Adam.
---Blogger9211 on 5/27/13

"Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy." Matthew 2:2,10

If the Bible wanted us to know that it was an angel who guided the wise men to Jesus, it would have said so. It's so clear and explicit in the Scripture that it was a star in the sky that only the wise men knew to follow, nothing more and nothing less.

By now it should be clear to any living Christian that it was the Holy Spirit who was guiding the wise men into the light, who's the Lord Jesus Christ.
---christan on 5/26/13

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Anything wrong with believing that is was simply a star????
---KarenD on 5/26/13

I personally believe it was a vision given only to the Wise Men, but an angel only they saw would be something similar.

Some Orthodox writers have suggested that they saw the Star not at Christ's birth, but rather at the Annunciation.

It's not a matter I stay up nights pondering upon.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/13

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