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James 2:19 believing in God v. believing there is ONE God

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"Nothing new to report..." Marc

So Marc makes a simple mistake, (big deal), assuming that I was addressing him when it is clear that I was not. Possibly an easy mistake to make (?) You decide.

But what's interesting, at least to me, is what happens next.

What does it say about the character of a man who refuses to acknowledge the obvious faux pas but, rather, makes some derogatory comment instead? What is that? Where does that come from?

What does it say about the brand of "Christianity" (Christian Zionism) of an individual who is comfortable exhibiting this behavior?

Yes. Please sign me up for that and pass the collection plate.
---scott on 6/10/13

Warwick, One scripture wipes out your whole theology.
Jn.14.19 "the world (Cosmos) will not see me anymore"
Don't try to shift it by saying the "world' is the unchristian because the same word, Cosmos,is stated in Jn.3 16 that God loved so much!
Why did He say "but you will see me?" They will be kings and priests ruling with Him for a thousand years! (invisible to the world!)Whom they will rule over!
---1st_cliff on 6/10/13

Cliff, unbelief upon unbelief.

Christians believe Jesus will bodily return, as Scripture says. Coming on the clouds appears throughout Scripture, e.g. Daniel 7:13. I know He is coming and do not obsess over His mode of coming. Is He also coming for you?

Silly questions beg a silly answer. Who took Jesus up? The cookie monster!

Why should the King of all Kings not have a throne?
Not good enough for the BiblioSceptics?

Which Jesus is returning? The same one who was taken up, Acts 1:11.

You may wonder why I answer you when you do not give me that courtesy. It is because I can no longer take you seriously, and it is fun!
---Warwick on 6/10/13

Nothing new to report: Scott's his usual evasive self.
---Marc on 6/10/13

"My point is that you DID NOT address what Hertz had said..." Marc

Perhaps because my comment regarding Hertz (and plural Elohim) was directed to Warwick and not you.

Think that's possible my angry, Christian Zionist friend?
---scott on 6/9/13

Warwick, Re,Mat.26.64 "coming on the clouds of heaven"
(God's) heaven has clouds?
"coming ON the clouds?" (literal?)
God has a literal "throne" that Jesus sits on?
Acts.1.11 "This Jesus who was TAKEN up" (who took Him up?) "will come in the same way" Same way not same body! (notice the difference?)
You read scripture the way YOU want it to sound, not the way it is!
Key- separate the figurative from the literal!
---1st_cliff on 6/9/13

Warwick, I like to persue your strange theories.
Angels access heaven and earth at will always appearing as human men. So with a hundred million, human like, angels (all men) You could identify Jesus as the one with holes in His hands (as he showed Thomas) right? Unless they're all healed over by now! Interesting!
---1st_cliff on 6/9/13

Scott, cutting and pasting, quotes Hertz: "Elohim is a plural form which is often used in Hebrew to denote plentitude of might."

Nice straw man (or something very similar). Have no idea what your point is, though I suspect it's one of desperation. My point is that you DID NOT address what Hertz had said: "There are no gods." He clearly states that it isn't even a question of worshipping the true God, it's about there being no other gods because they are idols.

While ever you translate John 1:1 as "And the Word was a god", a polytheist you'll remain, Scott.
---Marc on 6/9/13

"Elohiym...a masculine plural." Warwick

Think about what you are saying...

The Hebrew language is fairly straightforward. It is the common suffix "im" at the end of "Eloh-im" that makes it plural.

Consider the Hebrew word for King- "Mel-lekh." The plural is Melachim. Now, when we read in the bible about various "Melachim" we are not talking about multiple persons within one king are we? No, we refer to multiple Kings.

Likewise when Eloh-im is describing an individual, (if taken literally rather than as the "plural of majesty", etc.) we have, not multiple persons in one God, but multiple Gods.

---scott on 6/9/13

"A words meaning is defined by context." Warwick

I hate to see you embarrass yourself like this.

Of course context helps to determine which of the various possibile meanings a translator will use for a given word.

But to suggest that a word has no meaning apart from a sentence or phrase is silly.

Words have intrinsic meaning (and perhaps various meanings) on there own. Otherwise, why would we need Dictionaries or Lexicons?

They are certainly not defined by context.
---scott on 6/9/13

Scott you shoot yourself in the foot.

You falsely claimed words are not defined by context. I asked you to define 'bow' without context. Am I saying we cannot define 'bow' unless it is placed in context? Most certainly and you provide the proof. Part of 2 Samuel 22 is written in warlike terms and vs 35 reads "..a bow of steel is broken in my arms." See also Job 20:24, Psalm 18:34.

I believe 'bow' has 6 definitions:

As in bow and arrow
As tied in the hair
The prow of a boat
The wave cause by the ship's bow
To bow to someone
A musical instrument

You have ably demonstrated that a words meaning is defined by context. Likewise 'elohiym' is defined by context, meaning either God or His servants.
---Warwick on 6/9/13

Scott, as regards "Elohiym...a masculine plural and when used of God it points to the plurality Trinity." In Genesis 1:1 it is obviously mean of God and has one of the standard Hebraic plural meanings (im and ot) and it is quote reasonable to consider that it refers to the plurality of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Not 3 or more Gods as you speculate but one God in three persons.

The Oxford Dictionary defines 'plural" : denoting more than one, or (in languages with dual number) more than two. And interestingly: containing several diverse elements:
---Warwick on 6/9/13

One Godhead, 3 Divine Persons.

Either you have the grace of understanding or you do not.
Pray to the Holy Spirit to understand.
---Nikki on 6/9/13

JESUS created all things. So how did he create himself?

The term used for gods is also used for certain people and relationships. But There is only one GOD. We recognize this by understanding One GOD three persons.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/9/13

"Snippy", "Flower", ("Bossy"- Marc)- Warwick

Even the insults are lacking in depth now. I miss the days when I was accused of being a "paid Watchtower plant". Good times.

"Words...defined by context". Warwick

Are you suggesting that a word, alone, has no meaning until it is placed in a sentence? You need to think this one through.

'Bow'- Warwick

Bow, like wave, etc. has all sorts of definitions in English. Where the KJV (for example) uses "Bow" at 2 Samuel 22:35 both the context and lexical definition of "qesheth" identify a weapon here as opposed to bow, "shachah" at 2 Kings 2:15.
---scott on 6/9/13

"Elohiym...a masculine plural and when used of God it points to the plurality Trinity."- Warwick

Try making that argument to a Hebrew speaking Jew.

"Elohim is a plural form which is often used in Hebrew to denote plentitude of might." (Hertz, The Pentateuch and Haftorahs).

Taken literally as a plural Warwick has, not three persons in one God, but multiple Gods. Polytheism. Whoops.

Moses is called Elohim at Ex 7:1. One man...powerful representative of Jehovah.
---scott on 6/9/13

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Cliff, Jesus says "from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven" Matthew 26:64 Who is in heaven on God's throne Cliff? The Son of Man, who is the Son of Man? Jesus, the man born of Mary.

"This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven" Acts 1:11 This says the Jesus the apostles knew will come again. If you are correct He was a man, became a non-man then again became a man to return to earth! Fantasy Cliff.

Heaven should be visible! Why? Does it have to be in our universe? Have you ever thought of that?

Words change meaning? Now why didn't I think of that?
---Warwick on 6/9/13

Shira it is very easy to get word meanings from the web. Quite often one word (even if an uncommon one) succinctly sums up a whole phrase.

Succinct: adjective
(especially of something written or spoken) briefly and clearly expressed:
use short, succinct sentences. Oxford Dictionary.

Give it a try.
---Warwick on 6/9/13

marc, please talk on a lower level for us not educated people that use big words. those words are straight out of the bible colleges.
---shira4368 on 6/8/13

Scott, please tell me why in Genesis, God is preferred in singular and plural status?

This is done in creation story, and the account of the men talking to Abraham when he wanted the city saved on behalf of a few good men.

How did you get the yellow coloring in your post?
That was neat.
---Nikki on 6/8/13

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Warwick, You seem to have a mental block about reality!
Because scripture and Jesus Himself is referred to as "Son of man" doesn't mean He is still a glorified human!
That's one of His "titles"
Heaven is indeed literal but not "material" else it would be visible!
What I don't understand is your lack of logic!
2,3,4 thousand year old writing needs interpretation,
if you're not aware of it, words change their meanings,
You're making scripture sound like a fairy tale!
---1st_cliff on 6/8/13

With respect to Exodus 20:3, "You shall have no other gods[i.e. elohim] before Me", Hertz's 'The Pentateuch and Haftorahs' gives the reason why: "because there are no other gods besides God".

Yet, here's Scott, trying to pass of his American homespun version of polytheism as though it really is monotheism. Scott, 2 creator gods (see John 1:1-3 in the NW[mis]T)does not equal monotheism.

BTW, you've yet to explain how the whole cosmos is created by Jesus but he still isn't the creator. Ever heard of the Law of non-Contradiction?
---Marc on 6/8/13

Scott, you were quite snippy saying you had been too busy to answer my very relevant question. Now your busyness is obviously over so an answer now please. You claim words are not defined by context. So without context what does the English word 'bow' mean?

Traditionally the Jews have referred to God as Elohiym this name denoting Him as Creator, and Judge of the universe. It is a masculine plural and when used of God it points to the plurality Trinity.

When applied to men it means judges or guides see Moses Exodus 4:16. Israel's judges who sat in Moses's chair, were called gods (elohiym), Psalm 82:1. It is a name/title not a definition of what they do.
---Warwick on 6/8/13

"Elohiym because He is judge..." Warwick

The Hebrew word for judge is "Shofet."

What has contributed to the word "God" being viewed, essentially, as a name rather than simply meaning great or powerful is this:

Consider your NIV. Collectively the words "Lord" and "God" appear in the OT about 9,800 times.

Now imagine that 7,000 of those occurrences read "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" when you came across them instead.

Then many of the remaining references to "God" and "Lord" are viewed as they should be- as titles or references to importance...but the Almighty is identified as he was originally, (6,828 times), YHWH.
---scott on 6/8/13

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"Do you have a point? "Worship" and "God"- Warwick

Yes. The point is obvious.

Just as "Shambles" means something different today than it did when the KJV was translated and when Paul used the Gk word "makellon" 1500 years earlier, so too the meaning of the words "worship" and "God" have evolved. Today, in English, they have a much more narrow definition.

Keep in mind that Wycliff had Jesus saying at Matthew 19:19-21 to "worship thy father and thy mother." And David is worshipped along with God at 1Chronicles 29:20.

The point is that the original (Heb/Gk) definition and meaning always trumps what comes later.
---scott on 6/8/13

Scott, God is Elohiym because He is judge of all men. Psalm 82:1 God (Elohiym) judges the gods (elohiym). God says they are gods, fallible, sinful men, not God, but men appointed to judge on God's behalf, "mere men", as much god as was Moses. No God at all.

In John 10 Jesus plays with His accusers quoting Psalm 82:6 "I have said you are gods." But Jesus' accusers were in no way mollified knowing full well He by calling Himself the Son of God was calling Himself God not one of the puny human gods, as they.' They desired to stone Him because "you a mere man, claim to be God"-blasphemy. If Jesus claimed to be one of the gods i.e. judges there is no blasphemy, but He wasn't, and they knew it!
---Warwick on 6/8/13

Scott, you said you were too busy to answer my question and now you are here miss-answering Marc.

You claim words are not defined by context. So without context what does the English word 'bow' mean?

If you are correct then this should be easy, but....
---Warwick on 6/8/13

Hey Marc did Jesus believe that there were those, other than the Almighty, who were scripturally referred to as "god" or not?

Here are the verses again for your convenience:

"Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, I have said you are "gods"' If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came- and Scripture cannot be set aside- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?" John 10:34-36, NIV

Is Marc 'setting aside scripture' when Christ said that it can't be?

Let the Trinitarian spin begin!
---scott on 6/7/13

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Cliff, apparently you don't read your Bible and don't comprehend Scriptures given here. As has been explained repeatedly Scripture, as to His humanity calls Him the Son of man. He describes Himself likewise. Scripture also, as to His place in the Godhead calls Him the Son of God, just as He calls Himself.

As recorded in Mark 14:61 Jesus' accusers asked if He was the Son of God, He replied "I am." Then He says "you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power," He did not say they would see the Son of God, but the Son of man, His physical body. And they wanted to kill Him because He was calling Himself God. Argue with Scripture.

You would have us believe heaven is not a literal place.
---Warwick on 6/7/13

Scott, on another thread, tantalisingly alludes he just may be a polytheist because, wait for it, Jesus believed there is more than 1 god. I think the NW[mis]T should reflect this:

"In the beginning the creature who was called the Word, was with God, and this creature himself was a god...And all things were created by this creature called the Word."

See, two gods and two creators. Hey, Scott, please tell us orthodox Christians what the difference between this and polytheism is. We're all waiting for one of your rare, non-evasive answers.
---Marc on 6/7/13

Well I agree with Warwick. JESUS did not just pretend to take a human body. He became GOD and Man. While he is not drinking wine as truly pointed out. He is living and breathing person. There is an Old Gospel song which says we will know Him by the nail prints in his hands.

I believe in the physical Resurrection of JESUS and that we should be raised from the grave like him. Paul writes of it being true in I Cor. 15.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/7/13

Warwick, What can I say?, Your comprehension of Christ is even stranger than Islam!
God (Jesus) is a human ,eating food and drinking wine on a throne in heaven and it's all literal! Wow!
Of course bible writers didn't use terms like "former Son of man" or "Son of man during His earthly sojourn"
So even in heaven He is still "Son of man"?? OK that's your belief, not mine!
I believe He will always be God's Son!
---1st_cliff on 6/7/13

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Cliff, who did Stephen see in heaven on God's throne? He saw "the Son of Man" not a ghostly image-Acts 7:55.

Who did Jesus say we would see in heaven on His throne "the Son of Man" Matthew 26:64. All throughout the NT 'the Son of Man' refers to Jesus, His human nature, separate from His Divine nature, never to a spirit.

As I have shown Jesus showed that post-resurrection He was human, eating, for this purpose and asking them to touch Him to see-It is me, not a ghost. Luke 24:39.

As recorded in Matthew 26:29 Jesus said He would not drink wine again until with them in heaven. Do spirits drink and eat?
---Warwick on 6/6/13

Both Adam and Jesus are called "son of God"

You probably have your own definition of son of God, son of man (like a snare trap?)
---1st_cliff on 6/2/13

He has his own seminary/cemetary preacher logic he obeys. No scriptural witnesses need testify. His years in confusion are his blinders.

Ezekiel gives witness plainly.
Eze 37:13 ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, multiply them, will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
---Trav on 6/6/13

When JESUS CHRIST rose from the dead his body rose.

1Cr 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Cr 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

While alive JESUS could walk though a crowd and they not see him. Jhn 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

They touched JESUS, he ate and made food. John 20.

We all await the resurrection. No resurrection of the Body no eternal life.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/6/13

Warwick, We do have scripture to support my belief,
We know, Sodom and Gommorah for example, angels materialized as humans, in pre flood, they married women and had giant children (Nephilim) at the flood they simply dematerialized but could not return to heaven and are in Tartaus!(2Pet.2.4)
Jesus appeared in human form (post resurrection) to prove it was He who came back to life. Jesus said "spirits do not have flesh and bone" (of course, they are invisible)
Scripture does not say his perfect body is in any way human like!
These are the stories mythology is made of!
---1st_cliff on 6/6/13

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Cliff "He dematerialized and returned to spirit form!" is a bit of a jump isn't it. Do you have any Scripture to support this? I know of none.

"But from now on the Son of Man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God" Luke 22:69 The Son of Man is human, "made like his brothers in every respect." Hebrews 2:17. See also Acts 7:55.

One of the many failings of WTS indoctrination is to inculcate in its followers the idea that only what we can understand can be real. This limits God. His word clearly says that Jesus (in his perfected body) is in heaven reigning as God. He says it I believe it. Should we tell God what He can and can't do?
---Warwick on 6/6/13

Cliff, you seemed to be saying that because we cannot see God (Spirit) when we see Jesus then He is not there within Jesus. Your personality is a real living thing which dwells actively within you, but like God it is invisible. Likewise the Spirit of God which dwells within the believer is invisible, but no less real than your personality. Therefore why would you expect to see our invisible God in the body of Jesus?

If you took the worlds largest computer and weighed it, then programmed in the maximum amount of information possible the weight of the computer will not change. Does that mean the information is not there? Can we see the information or just its effect?

Who mentioned magic or mysticism? God is above all such things.
---Warwick on 6/6/13

1Cliff, no one knows what a glorified body looks like. Only those who saw Jesus got to see what it looked like. Yet He, with that glorified body could go through walls. Enter rooms without opening doors. Able to rise into heaven, and yet in Spirit be in those born of the Spirit at the same time.
What you want to do is explain how God was able to do that. How could He create the Heavens and the earth, and everything in them? How can He go through walls if He is flesh and blood? We know it happened because the Word of God tells us. You just don't have faith in His Word, which comes from the Spirit. And as long as you don't, you will keep trying to figure it out with human understanding and human wisdom.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/13

Warwick, I did not say Jesus didn't appear (post resurrection) as flesh and blood! He does not dwell in heaven as a mere human , so somewhere between here and there He dematerialized and returned to spirit form! Trapped in a human type body He could not be omnipresent!
I answer all questions they just don't all get posted, leading you to believe I'm evasive!
Believe me, I keep trying!
---1st_cliff on 6/5/13

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Warwick, Let's persue this "Spirit of God who lives within"
The person you are (soul/spirit) lies within your skull (brain)which determines "who" you are!
Skills, language, desires, beliefs etc..
"Be transformed by the renewing of the mind then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is"Rom.12.2
God's spirit in you is actually keeping you mind "on the things above"! (no magic here) No mysticism!
---1st_cliff on 6/5/13

Cliff, you being JW are the programmed one. My understanding of Scripture comes from decades of personal study. I am the slave of no denomination.

For a change you do some work. Show us where Scripture says Jesus was not a flesh and blood person post resurrection.

Again I ask: When you look in the mirror you see Cliff son of man but you do not see the spirit of God who lives within, nor your soul (personality). Do you deny they exist within you?

You do not answer because your WTS indoctrination forbids you to answer difficult questions.

Think carefully upon what Michael (Micha) has written above as to Jesus' post resurrection physical nature.
---Warwick on 6/5/13

\Jesus pre and post human\-1st_cliff on 6/5/13
Jesus is no longer human?
1Tim 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Acts 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Think man think!!
---micha9344 on 6/5/13

Warwick, You seem intelligent on spiritual matters, but like a pre programmed robot with "stock" answers.
Spirit beings like angels and Jesus pre and post human, are able to materialize and dematerialize at will.
What makes you think He took His flesh and blood body to heaven? Think man think!
Is Jesus only 6', 175 lbs.? in heaven?
---1st_cliff on 6/5/13

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Thanks Mark. As is often the case Cliff's quote was taken out of context of the whole chapter, and other parts of Scripture relevant to the topic. Out of context quote farming seems to be standard fare for JW's.
---Warwick on 6/4/13

Shira, I went to great lengths to respond to your post but like so many other times, intervention has taken place and my post is lost!
Very frustrating!
---1st_cliff on 6/4/13

Warwick, very good points you brought out concerning Jesus. But skeptics will always find a way out by picking and choosing just about every verse without context.
Yes, it is true flesh and blood will not inherit the Kingdom of God. We are told we will die and then the judgment. But what 1Cliff forgets is that when our flesh does die, at the resurrection, it will be raised incorrupable, glorified and read for heaven.
"So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power" (1 Cor. 15:42,43). Our bodies will be just like Jesus when He rose from the dead.
---Mark_V. on 6/4/13

James, 1 Cor. 15 50 "I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God"
---1st_cliff on 6/3/13

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cliff of course you can't see but one. you are only human and not deity as God, Son and Holy Spirit. honestly you should know if you have the Spirit of God living in you.
---shira4368 on 6/3/13

\...Hint- I am made in His image and when I look in the mirror I only see one person!\-1st_cliff on 6/1/13
\How many dimensions (aspects or features) of "Cliff" do you see in the mirror Cliff? Did you say "THREE"? :)\-Leon on 6/2/13
Leon, a mirror is only 2 dimensional: We do not see a complete image. Maybe a hologram of Cliff might help him?
---micha9344 on 6/3/13

"i know. then, why do supposed christians take that verse and say "even devils believe"?
Aka, because that is how the last part of the verse reads, "the devils also believe". If the first part of the verse is read over, or not considered, then a misunderstanding of those words ensues. Which was the reason for the bracketed words included in my previous post.

"devils do not believe (have faith) in God. but, they do know there is one supreme being.
---aka on 6/2/13"
---Josef on 6/2/13

\\Since it is written that flesh and blood do not exist in heaven...\\
---1st_cliff on 6/2/13

ummm, where is that supposedly written ???
---James_L on 6/2/13

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Cliff, Jesus went to considerable lengths post resurrection to show He was a flesh and blood person. He certainly has a glorified body but is still the Son of Man, a human, born of Mary. He is the last Adam as 1 Corinthians 15:45 explains.

Likewise Jesus is the Son of God, eternally, and by right and nature as opposed to Adam who was called son of God (Luke 3:38), as he was made by God. Likewise we are made sons of God by faith in Jesus Galatians 3:26.

When we see Jesus we see the Son of Man, not the Son of God who is invisible spirit. When you look in the mirror you see Cliff son of man but you do not see the spirit of God who lives within, nor your soul. Do you deny they exist within you?
---Warwick on 6/2/13

"...Hint- I am made in His image and when I look in the mirror I only see one person!"
---1st_cliff on 6/1/13

How many dimensions (aspects or features) of "Cliff" do you see in the mirror Cliff? Did you say "THREE"? :)
---Leon on 6/2/13

the devil doesn't believe in God as for salvation but he knows God. I would imagine the devil shakes when Jesus name is mentioned.
---shira4368 on 6/2/13

(part 1)

\\why do supposed christians take that verse and say "even devils believe"?\\
---aka on 6/2/13

They misunderstand the phrase believe in ? to mean believe ? exists

Much like - Do you believe in Santa Claus?

It stems from intermingling two distinct ideas:
1) believe Santa exists
2) believe (hope) that Santa is coming to your house

Someone might say they no longer "believe in" Santa, which is currently meant to convey that they no longer believe he exists.

But obviously if one no longer believes he exists, one will not hope in him.

People ignorantly apply the wrong definition to the phrase "believe in"
---James_L on 6/2/13

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(PART 2)

context - REWARDS at the Judgment Seat of Christ

2:12 will be judged by the law of liberty

3:1 will receive a stricter judgment

2:19 fits with this context, and Hebrews 11:6

Without faith it is impossible to please God, for he who comes to God must
1) believe that He is
2) that He is a REWARDER of those who seek Him

James 2:14 What if a man has faith, but no works ? Can faith save him from loss at this judgment? see 1Cor 3:15-20

James 2:19
you believe there is one God. Good for you. But you're not seeking Him

2:20 Don't you know that faith, without works, is useless (at the Judgment Seat of Christ)
---James_L on 6/2/13

Aka Jam 2:19 answers your inquiry - joseph

i know. then, why do supposed christians take that verse and say "even devils believe"?

devils do not believe (have faith) in God. but, they do know there is one supreme being.
---aka on 6/2/13

Warwick, Since it is written that flesh and blood do not exist in heaven we can rule out a "Jesus in the flesh"!
Son of man does not mean He had an earthly father only flesh from an earthly mother.
He had to be an exact replica of Adam (who neither had an earthly father) in order to pay the ransom for our deliverance! (perfect life for a perfect life)
Both Adam and Jesus are called "son of God"
Blessed are the peace makers for they will be called "sons of God"
I have no knowledge of WTS 101!
You probably have your own definition of son of God, son of man (like a snare trap?)
---1st_cliff on 6/2/13

" question is do devils believe in the one God or do devils believe that there is one God (supreme authority[?])
---aka on 6/1/13"
Aka Jam 2:19 answers your inquiry "You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe [there is one ("supreme authority")], and tremble!"
Examples of their fear, An unclean spirit cried out "saying, "Let us alone! What have we to do with You, Jesus of Nazareth? Did You come to destroy us? I know who You are, the Holy One of God!" Mar 1:24
At another time the demon plead "I implore You by God that You do not torment me." Mar 5:7
Yes they know there is one god, and that they are subject to Him.
---Josef on 6/2/13

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Mark 5:7 "And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not."

Matthew 16:15_16 "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Matthew 8:8 "The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed."

The first believed just like the second and the third and trembled.
---Nana on 6/2/13


curiously, even Christians use that verse and say, "even devils believe". but, i think the devils do not believe in God, they just know there is a Supreme Authority. I think the trembling is because deep down they know that they backed the wrong authority that wants reign supreme.
---aka on 6/1/13

Cliff I have tried to get you to come to terms with what 'Son of God' and 'Son of Man' mean, but you have avoided answering. David and Scott likewise shift into evasion mode, when asked similar questions. The answers are probably not on WTS 101!

How about some direct answers:

Is Jesus the Son of Man not flesh and blood therefore visible?

Is Jesus the Son of God not spirit, therefore invisible?

If we arrive in heaven what will we see upon the throne, invisible spirit, or spirit, and flesh and blood-Jesus Son of man and Son of God?

No earthly analogy can truly describe the Trinity, and I suppose there is truth in what you say but apples and oranges are both fruit, and comparable, alike in many ways.
---Warwick on 6/1/13

In Revelation 2:8 John records he's to write that the "First and Last, who was dead, came to life". The Watchtower thus professes Jesus possesses the title "the First and Last." However, Isaiah 44:6 says that Jehovah is "the First and Last" and besides Him "there is no God". If JWs argue that only Jehovah is the First and Last, why does John say Jesus is?

What a completely self-contradictory Johnny-come-lately heresy.
---Marc on 6/1/13

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I think by now we can all agree the is one authority in whatever variation you believe.

. The point of my question is do devils believe in the one God or do devils believe that there is one God (supreme authority.)
---aka on 6/1/13

Warwick, You're comparing apples to oranges
One person as opposed to one team, group, couple .
One object to one mechanism!
If God is not one being then He is a trio, group, team ..which is it?
Trinity begins with tri (3) explain 3 what?

Three gods each with their own separate name and function?

One god with three names and three separate functions?

One god with three separate and distinct personalities?

Hint- I am made in His image and when I look in the mirror I only see one person!
---1st_cliff on 6/1/13

Those who deny the Trinity are denying that three can be one, and one can be three. Consider the universe: It is one universe but made up of space, matter and time. Everything in the universe is one of these. Therefore the three (space, matter, and time) are one universe, and the one universe, at the same time is three. We do not confuse time with space, or matter, nor do we confuse space with matter or time.

Of course this is not a perfect analogy, far from it, but it does show how three things can be one and one can be three, while not being one and the same.
---Warwick on 5/31/13

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God,

Generally speaking, the word/ name God in theNT is reerved for The Father.

Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

See what else james says about God
James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ

I would say that James is speaking of the Father

---francis on 5/30/13

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mike, GOD is ONE = Three Divine Persons Who are ONE.

Just as when a man leaves his father and mother, and he cleaves to his wife and they two become ONE flesh. GENESIS 2:24.

As, man WAS made in GOD's Image, after all. GENESIS 1:26-27.

So, the ONE-ness of GOD is not a matter of "quantity of Persons".
It is a matter of a Unification of more than one Persons.

As in, the Three are ONE.
---Gordon on 5/30/13

Yes God is One but triune.HE is the Father,the Son and the Holy Spirit.Just as we are 3 parts body,soul and our human spirit.3 in one.Our soul is our mind,will and emotions.Our spirit comes from God who breathes life into us at our moment of birth.In God the three are One.
---shirley on 5/30/13

Yes there's only One True & Living God, & Jesus Christ Is His name.
---Lawrence on 5/30/13

Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Jam 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Jam 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Jam 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Jam 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Without context any verse can be misued. James shows that Christians because they believe and saved. They work out of love.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/30/13

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God is one,means just that, God is one.
---mike on 5/30/13

MATTHEW 16:18 is a Verse that's been blown way out of proportion. But, that's been another Blog.
---Gordon on 5/30/13

Well, aka, how are you saying this verse is misused? Believing in God can mean a person believes there is one God. They are not necessarily different . . . unless by "believing" you mean trusting and obeying, but by "believing there is" you mean accepting God only in theory.

James is saying we need to act in love because we believe there is God. But ones who do not love can say they "believe in God" or they "believe there is one God" and mean the same thing.

And our Father is personal with His children, not distant and only watching and judging us. Ones can try to turn Him into only a belief and theory.
---willie_c: on 5/30/13

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