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Do Clones Have A Soul

Do clones have a soul?

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\\Biblical implications, life begins at birth and not until then!!!
---Blogger9211 on 6/27/13\\

So, you're saying the pre-born Jesus was not alive in His mother's womb?

How else was pre-born John the Baptist able to recognize Him and be filled with the Holy Spirit from that point (Luke 1:15)?

Biblical implications: Life begins at conception.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/26/13

Identical twins often have similar personalities (because of genetics and environment), yet they are also frequently different (because no two individuals are ever exactly alike).
---StrongAxe on 8/1/13

StrongAxe, this has got me thinking. I am a father of twins. Some folks say personality is shaped by genetics. Others say personality is shaped by environment. Others say it is a combination of both. But in either case, how is it that identical twins who are genetically identical and are raised in the same exact environment can have polar opposite personalities?
---Jed on 7/31/13


Clones just create copies of a creature's or person's body, must like identical twins. The personalities and memories will, of course, be different, and highly dependent on how the clone is raised. While it's likely the clone will think similarly to the original (much as twins do), he will be a completely different person.

One might attempt to duplicate a clone's personality by supplying an identical environment, but that would be very difficult. There was a lurid thriller "The Boys From Brazil", where a Nazi scientist makes several Hitler clones, and puts them in similar environments - with indifferent parents who get murdered at the same time as Hitler's parents died, etc. It doesn't end well.
---StrongAxe on 7/31/13

Hello,wow! To Bro.Jed (with all respect) Fasinating blogg question! well , kind of scary, if ever clone humans, be a great way you could ,"maybe" still get back ,or keep love & marriage with the one you love??
---lidia4796 on 7/25/13


Not exactly, but something fairly similar. The clone would develop as a child develops, but growth would slow down prematurely, so it would start to "grow old" even before reaching adulthood.

On a related note, I have heard that some people have been working on was to clone meat. Not entire food animals, just certain tissues (like chunks of muscle). With this, one could eat meat without being responsible for killing or mistreating any animals, so those who are vegetarians for humanitarian reasons would no longer need to do so. The ethics debates should prove quite lively!
---StrongAxe on 7/15/13

StrongAxe, so basically, a clone made from the DNA of a thirty year old would age at a faster rate (nearly twice as fast) so it's body would eventually catch up to the original's body around the point of death? So they would still die about the same time and they're body's would appear the same age?
---Jed on 7/12/13

Hi a servant :) Loved your reply, thank you :) God bless, Mary :)
---Mary on 7/12/13


If somebody in a lab today took the DNA from a 30-year-old adult and made a clone from it, the result would be an infant that would have a lifespan of typically around 40 years (maximum 90 at the outside). it would likely show signs of old age much sooner than a normal child.

There is a natural enzyme, telmoerase reverse transcriptase, that lengthens telomeres. This is why normal children are born with full lifespans. It is also abused by some damaged cells to turn them into tumors with virtual immortality.

If scientists figure out how to apply it themselves, it could allow clones with full lifespans (and possibly even a means to slow or stop aging in everyone else).
---StrongAxe on 7/12/13

Animals do not have souls any more than people do. People are souls, but animals are not. However, animals do share the same "breath of life" with people.

Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts, even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other, yea, they have all one breath, so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

There is no biblical evidence that animals will be in heaven, but rather in the earth made new.

---jerry6593 on 7/12/13


Concerning a comment you made concerning Obama wife and Hilary Clinton, suggests you are ignorant of someone who is saved and someone who is unsaved.

Both women do not profess a life saturated in the a biblical belief of Christ baptised, Crucified, died and rose again. The only begotten son of the Almighty YWYH.

Why judge two Evil's separate?? worse still by a timid expression of clothing?

If you don't have anything intelligent to offer, pray for wisdom ( at least) it is freely given , if you ask the great I AM for it, Why, kings ruled and divided truth from untruths. Fairness from unfairness.

IMHO based on wisdom from the great I am ( his word) and common sense !!!!
---Carla on 7/12/13

StrongAxe, this has got me curious. When the cloning process is completed and the clone is developed. Will it be at the full age of the original DNA source or will it be an infant?
---Jed on 7/11/13


I don't believe animals have souls, but they will be in Heaven, or Jesus is going to have a hard time finding that white horse (not to mention the lion, lamb, wolf, sheep, etc...).
---A_servant on 7/10/13

Hi, I don't think animals have souls but I still hope they will be in Heaven with us (except spiders and flies lol), I hope to see my current dog, who is kind of depressed and shy, in Heaven all happy and free! :)
---Mary on 7/10/13

StrongAxe, that's very interesting. A good reading.

---Jed on 7/8/13

do animals cloned or not have souls?
---kathr4453 on 7/10/13


Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL.

What's so difficult to understand about that? Man did not have a soul put within him. Some dust had God's breath of life put into it and he BECAME a soul.

---jerry6593 on 7/9/13

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Thanks. There is a lot of interesting information on the internet, if one cares to look for it (and reads discerningly). I like Wikipedia, because their policy is to never post original material, only material that has multiple references (that can be checked and corroborated - exactly like the Biblical standard of truth).

I also keep hearing about new scientific discoveries every year that would have been wild science fiction when I was a child (anti-gravity, invisibility, force fields, etc.)

There is a great quote from Shakespeare: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
---StrongAxe on 7/8/13

StrongAxe, that's very interesting. A good reading.
---Jed on 7/8/13


Here is why Dolly aged rapidly:

All DNA has extra space at the ends called "telomeres", like blank paper or magnetic tape at the end of a reel. Each time DNA is copied, a bit is lost at the end. When it's all gone, the DNA can't be copied, and cells can no longer reproduce. Human DNA has enough telomeres to last around 120 years, which is why humans never live longer than that, since the body stops repairing itself.

Sperm and eggs have full-length telomeres, but stem cells taken from an adult have already "used up" part of their lifespan, so unless the telomeres can be regenerated as with eggs (something scientists are working on), clones like Dolly only have about half their lifespans left.
---StrongAxe on 7/8/13

Jerry: People ARE souls (Gen 2:7).

Not from the Gen 2:7 in the KJV or NRSV that I have.

I suspect you are taking the 'the breath of life' and take that to mean the soul.

That is fine......

But how do you take that man is a soul, since God made Adam without the breath of life.

I get some vague idea of how you are thinking, but I do not think I can really agree on that. Though it is not a totally wierd idea
---Peter9556 on 7/8/13

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Nikki, you r correct but at my age I must write everything down then I loose it. I'm glad you remember.
---shira4368 on 7/8/13

People do not HAVE souls - People ARE souls (Gen 2:7). All clones are retarded or otherwise non-functional mutants. Dolly the sheep is a good example.

---jerry6593 on 7/8/13

yes, clowns have a soul, but they are scary.
---aka on 7/7/13

Shira, it was a sheep called Dolly. The clone sheep aged rapid and died quickly.

Anything man tries to be God always back firer.
Sadly they don't care about the human being they try to clone.
Heck, they don't care about normal human beings.

Adult stem cells are very promising, but many scientist just don't want to use it for research.
They are bent on destroying human life.

---Nikki on 7/7/13

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the subject was human clones. it wasn't taking cord blood to heal diseases. man is playing god too much and it will come back to bite him in the rear.
---shira4368 on 7/7/13


There are three kinds of human cloning. Therapeutic cloning can take some of your cells (say, from a damaged organ), and grow a new one. Reproductive cloning grows a totally new individual. Replacement combines both of these to grows a new person solely to harvest their organs.

Most counties have laws prohibiting these (althoguh therapeutic is allowed more often in some). There is on U.S. federal law yet, but 13 states prohibit it.
---StrongAxe on 7/7/13

nikki, if people are cloned to harvest organs, that is the highest disreguard of humans playing god. it is no different that finding a person with your dna and kill them for the richer person's. that may be going on now. I know they have cloned a pig and can't remember what the other one did. the cloned pig was no different than the regular pig. both are living beings.
---shira4368 on 7/7/13

Sadly Shira, Scientists clone humans in hopes of harvesting organs.
They try to justify their actions by saying the end justifies the means.

You are correct. Just another form of god wanna be
---Nikki on 7/6/13

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Willie C, I agree. That is why I said in one of my comments that as far as we know there are no human clones. But I'm sure there is ALOT that we aren't told. I don't believe anything the government says. A month ago we were sure the government was not recording every American's telephone calls too, just like some on here are sure there are no human clones.
---Jed on 7/2/13

whoever the scientist are that are trying to clone is just trying to play god. that is just one of the phases that man do in trying to change the plan God has for humans on the earth. some are trying to change the weather.
---shira4368 on 7/2/13

So, there is law against cloning? Because it could be abused . . . like abortion already is.

Meanwhile, during all this smokescreen of controversy, what could have already been done in secret?

What they already can do, I understand, is take DNA from a human cell and put it in an emptied egg. There are people who could easily have done this, by now, and moved that zygote or its early embryo into a female . . . one who might not even know it.

I am not going to assume "scientists" and "doctors" of this world are not above doing this.

One of you could be one and not even know the diff. And yes you have a soul (c:
---willie_c: on 7/2/13

People do not HAVE souls - People ARE souls (Gen 2:7). All clones are retarded or otherwise non-functional mutants.

---jerry6593 on 7/2/13

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You said: one is a perversion of the process that God designed by which human beings are reproduced.

Do you have any biblical support for this opinion? Is CPR a perversion of resurrection, so it must be shunned?

God did not design cloning as it is not found in nature.

Identical twins are EXACTLY that - clones of each other.

Lab clones are formed by injecting host DNA into an egg that reproduces it. This is just how viruses reproduce. Who created viruses?

Anything that God did not design is a perversion of something that he did design.

Like light bulbs, and computers, and the internet. So shut your computer off now before it sends you to hell! Do you really believe that?
---StrongAxe on 7/2/13

StrongAxe, I neither insinuated that clones either have or do not have a soul. I was simply putting in my two cents about natural reproduction and cloning. They are not the same. Perhaps similar, but one is a perversion of the process that God designed by which human beings are reproduced. God did not design cloning as it is not found in nature. Anything that God did not design is a perversion of something that he did design. Like same-gender relations are a perversion of God designed relations between a man and woman.
---Jed on 7/1/13


Why should correctness of purpose have anything to do with it? Physics and metaphysics are the same in both cases.

Children are born regardless of whether their parents are husband and wife, man and prostitute, or rapist and victim. God doesn't bless the womb in the case of valid marriage and withhold such blessing in the other cases (comments of some deluded politicians notwithstanding).

Besides, your categorizing clones as "perversions of God's design" is pure opinion, not based on fact or scripture (or can you cite any on point?)
---StrongAxe on 7/1/13

One is God's design. And one is a perversion of God's design. Similar but completely two different things.
---Jed on 7/1/13

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A single fertilized egg develops into a living being by natural replication. So does a single clone cell. The processes are identical.

Now, you say God places a soul in the body. The Bible is extremely vague how and when - it just says it's some time before birth. You can't speak with any precision (from a Biblical standpoint, at least) about how cloning differs in this regard.

How can you know God places souls in natural eggs (from two sources - egg and sperm), while declining to in cloned eggs (also from two sources - egg and stem cell)? The Bible certainly doesn't say anything on the subject. Anything else is pure conjecture, and becomes presumption if one insists on it.
---StrongAxe on 7/1/13

StrongAxe, It does make a difference between a natural baby and a cloned one.

When natural babies are created by the fusion of a man's sperm and a woman's egg, even by artificial insemination, it falls within GOD's own natural design to produce a human (or animal) and HE Himself places a soul in that body, right at conception or whenever, before birth.

Whereas, cloning, on the other hand, is done by mankind creating a body from direct DNA multiplication. Even though that same DNA is in the sperm and egg structure, it doesn't matter.

GOD is the one to be in control. HE created and owns the human souls. And HE will see that souls get placed in the bodies created by HIS design.

Not by arrogant men trying to play God.
---Gordon on 7/1/13

No they are like republicans, no soul at all
ever listen to the music at their conventions?---francis on 6/30/13

Maybe, but our salsa music was kicking in Florida, and better than the soul foods at the Democratic's conventions.
And it was held in the South?
What's up with that?
---Nikki on 6/30/13

since there are no human clones, how will this blog evolve?
---francis on 6/27/13

There are no human clones ---Moderator

As far as we know.
---Jed on 6/30/13

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Do clones have a soul?
---Jed on 6/27/13
No they are like republicans, no soul at all

ever listen to tehmusic at their conventions?
---francis on 6/30/13

If humans are ever cloned (which I hope and pray will never happen) then I certainly hope that they WILL have a soul.

What would life be like for such people once they realise how they were created and were told they had no soul and, therefore, no hope whatsoever?

That is too horrendous to contemplate.

Those wishing to create clones don't believe we have a soul anyway so they won't care.
---Rita_H on 6/30/13

maybe a kia soul?
---francis on 6/30/13

"Do clones have a soul?"
If the clone is consciously aware of it's being, it's soul is manifest.
---Josef on 6/30/13

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Jed, Sorry, you're right ,it went passed me. We were not on the same page!
---1st_cliff on 6/30/13

1st Cliff. I think my post went a little over your head as you seem to have missed the point. I never said fish do or do not have souls. I said fish are ALIVE. Blogger said that life begins at birth because something has to breathe air in order to have life. I was pointing out that there are millions of living species that do not breathe air but still have life, like fish. They do not breathe air like we do but they still absorb and consume oxygen. So do unborn babies. If only things that breathe air like we do have life then most of the species on earth do not have life.
---Jed on 6/28/13

aka, I hear you!

How about this!
Gen_1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
All life, all matter, everything!

When they begin
the beguine
it brings back the sound
of music so tender
it brings back a night
of tropical splendor
it brings back a memory of green

Love this song!
Love you all
---TheSeg on 6/29/13

.life begins at birth and not until then!!!---Blogger9211

Jer 1:4 Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
Jer 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you, I appointed you a prophet to the nations."

what...was God like my kitty batting around a dead mouse?
---aka on 6/28/13

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uk is playing god and they are trying to close babies. playing god again. God just let man destroy himself. it is our free will.
---shira4368 on 6/28/13


Biologically speaking, what is the difference between a "natural" baby and a cloned one? Can you mention any specifics? Both begin with a single cell that doubles multiple times, and then starts to specialize into different organs.

Clearly life begins as a biological process. We aren't told how God "attaches" a soul to a body, but if one process is the same in both cases, why should the other differ?

Nature itself creates clones (for example, in the case of identical twins). Do you think twins lack souls?
---StrongAxe on 6/28/13

Jed: So much you know huh?
Look in Strong's Concordance "soul" (nephesh Heb/Psyche Greek ) Fish are also nepheh as well as animals.
God's creation of Creatures in Genisis translated ,by the biased translators "creatures"- nephesh. where elsewhere it's translated "soul" You figure it out!
---1st_cliff on 6/28/13

life begins at birth and not until then!!!---Blogger9211 on 6/27/13
So you think that any creature that doesn't breathe air through lungs is not alive? There are millions of species that do not inhale through lungs. Unborn babies still use oxygen and nutrients. By your made-up definition of life, a fish is not alive, and a tadpole is not alive until it develops lungs and becomes a frog.

You also have made up your own definition for soul. Your soul is the combination of your mind, your will, an your emotions. An unborn babies ability to think, dream, and feel emotions (as well as physical pain) is what qualifies it as a living soul, not whether it breathes through it's lungs or not.
---Jed on 6/28/13

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It's possible that the Anti-Christ will have a body that will be cloned from some human blood/DNA.

When one considers closely, GOD is not the author of cloning. That's man playing "God".

Souls only come from GOD.

Would GOD really honour man's vain and arrogant attempts to play God by placing a real human soul into a cloned body?

HE could, technically, but, would it be according to HIS Holy Nature to do so?

The Anti-Christ's body will be inhabited by some already-existing fallen angel or demonic spirit.
---Gordon on 6/28/13

The definition of a living soul is a living breathing sentient creature man, fish, animal, and bird! (nephesh /psyche)
---1st_cliff on 6/27/13

since there are no human clones, how will this blog evolve?
---francis on 6/27/13

As long as you are alive and breathing you are a soul. When you are dead and no longer breathing you are no longer a Soul, begins at birth and not until then!!!---Blogger9211

Not according to my Bible.

So a nonliving thing leaped in Elizabeth's womb when Mary greeted her??? Dead objects can't move.
And why did Elizabeth called it an infant?

Also, I think the Archangel Gabriel knows a soul or not. Plus if the soul is alive or not.
Heck he even knew it was boy in Elizabeth's womb.
No ultrasound in those days. How did the Archangel know?

Luke 1:36
And behold, Elizabeth, your relative, has also conceived a SON in her old age, and this is the sixth month for her who was called barren,
---Nikki on 6/27/13

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The problem is the term Soul is used improperly. Soul is not something that any one possesses rather a state of being it means any living creature that is already born alive and is breathing air this applies to any mammal. As long as you are alive and breathing you are a soul. When you are dead and no longer breathing you are no longer a Soul, that simple Soul and spirit are not interchangeable terms they have unrelated Hebrew and Greek meanings

Biblical implications, life begins at birth and not until then!!!
---Blogger9211 on 6/27/13

One can argue that monozygotic--identical--twins are naturally occuring clones.

Yes, they do have souls.

Should that horrible day come when humans are cloned, I will go on the assumption that they do.

FWIW, in Orthodoxy, it's the presence of the soul that helps the physical body grow and develop.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/27/13

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