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Does God Create Evil

Isaiah 45:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.GOD CREATES EVIL WAT DOES THIS MEAN?

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Oh Luke Markv, it didn't't take long for your mask to come completely off.

Good bye Warwick. I'm so sorry you have such a hard time with my beliefs. Again God did not curse Adam and Eve. I originally said it and I still say it. I have never said anything else. God cursed the serpent, and the ground. Why that bothers you and you call game playing is beyond me.

But you are becoming more and more like markvluke in taking it SOOOOOO personal when someone has a different view. It doesn't take markvluke long at all to get in the middle of others conversations hoping to win favors through insincere flattery in hopes of kicking up more dust.

Watch out Markv may have to once again change your MO.
---kathr4453 on 4/9/14

Goodbye Kath, I trust you will find some other person with whom you can play your silly evasive games. I have made my point repeatedly and clearly but you choose to misunderstand/misrepresent. Maybe you are a lawyer?
---Warwick on 4/9/14

Dear Warwick,
I agree that having a debate with her is pointless, it accomplishes nothing. First of all, there is name calling, and no one can have a godly conversation with her. I notice on some other blogs she is arguing with only opinions. I know I am not here to change anyone mind, or argue, only to share the Scriptures on different topics that God has revealed to me. It is wonderful for brothers and sisters to share the word of God, just like many great writers have through history. Agape.
---Luke on 4/9/14

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil:"

Notice the contrast between Light and darkness, And Peace contrasted with evil. The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away. The opposite of peace is war in one context, but in another it is to be troubled or in adversity. God can create adversity for you, and yet it is not wickedness. He can remove it and restore peace to your life. It all depends upon how the word evil is used. God is not obligated to bring man peace, nor to restrain adversity. He's not obligated to shine light upon anyone, nor to keep anyone from darkness. God creates adversity, trouble or chastisement. The person receiving it, is a bad thing. So EVIL does not mean evil like many think.
---kathr4453 on 4/9/14

Some may confuse God's JUDGEMENT with EVIL.

And It appears Luke/Markv has confused the two himself with verses he just posted.

God's Judgments on people are not evil, therefore those verses are totally out of character for accusing God of EVIL.

Let's be careful here.
---kathr4453 on 4/9/14

//7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.GOD CREATES EVIL WAT DOES THIS MEAN?//

It means exactly it is says.
There are passages that ascribe to God the final control over all calamities and disasters brought on by nature or by man.
"Does a disaster come to a city, unless the Lord has done it?

"Who has spoken and it came to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it?"

"Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and bad come?

"I am the Lord, and there is no other. I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord who does all these things"
---Luke on 4/9/14

I am so glad Warwick. Praise God.

You probably did look at different ministries on line and found out not everyone believes God CURSED Adam and Eve. And YOU still have evaded posting any scripture clearly stating God directly CURSING Adam and Eve.

So what do you do? What any prideful person who won't admit he is wrong would do.......blame everyone else for his own lack of proof. It happens here all the time Warwick , you are in great company with that one. But the TRUTH really comes out here, and that is you are still sore about God having created angels before the earth was even finished. THAT has been proved through scripture YOU still argue against, and want to evade totally.

God bless. Have a great day!
---kathr4453 on 4/9/14

Kath, all bloggers here decide what issues and which person/s they will react to. After the futility of debating with you, attempting to deal with your evasion of questions and your misrepresentation I have decided to do so no more.
---Warwick on 4/8/14

Genesis chapter nine, provides the clue why God cursed the ground and not Adam in the account of Noah's curse upon his grandson, Canaan. Noah made and drank wine and became drunk, and fell asleep in his tent. Noah's son, Ham, the father of Canaan, regarded the sight of his drunken father as an object of ridicule. When Noah discovered what had happened, he cursed not Ham, the culprit, but Ham's son Canaan, the innocent. The principle here is that a wicked son reflects a poor father who has failed to provide the appropriate discipline. The principle is found again in 1 Kings 11:11-12 where God defers the punishment for Solomon because it would reflect upon his father David. In Adam's case, his father was God.
---kathr4453 on 4/8/14

NO Warwick, I first stated there was no CURSE given to Adam and Eve. God cursed the serpent and the ground, but NO CURSE was placed on man.

Now call it what you want, and say what you want and play games if you want, but the majority of Christian Ministries will tell you exactly as I have told you...God did NOT add any curses to Adam and Eve. He added consequences to their fallen state.

If man were cursed, the Blessings and Cursing's under the Law would have no meaning whatsoever.

I don't care what you believe, or even care what you say. This is what I and many others believe.

I said just find one verse God uses the word CURSE to Adam and Eve like He used with the serpent and the ground...YOU CAN'T!
---kathr4453 on 4/8/14

And Warwick, the reason Markv believes man was CURSE is he believes it has to do with TOTAL DEPRAVITY.

You use the word CURSE in a generic casual manner , as I do not.

CURSE means to DOOM. If the Gospel was preached in Genesis 3:15, and Adam and Eve were covered, as a type of Salvation, DOOM would be totally out of place here. DOOM means without any hope whatsoever. Satan certainly is DOOMED without Hope. Got it now!!!

So just stop your condescending remarks. It makes you look silly. But here we go, you're ready for another condescending one I can feel. Or maybe you feel the need to correct my spelling???? Some kinda arrogance will manifest in you.
---kathr453 on 4/8/14

Kath, it is obvious that your best skill is cunning. In this you are definitely way ahead of me.

I described the punishment placed up on all mankind and indeed the whole creation as the curse, the common descriptive name. Then you come back and try to make out that I am saying there was a curse supplementary to the punishment!

You then make the extraordinary claim that women's increased pain in childbirth cannot be part of the curse (though Genesis 3:16 says it is) because women still so suffer. Could you be so ignorant of Scripture that you are unaware the curse still continues?

It appears to me that you just like to argue for the sake of argument. I have no interest in continuing in your devious game.
---Warwick on 4/8/14

Dear Warwick and micha,
both of you answered very clearly and to the point concerning the curse. We can see what the curse did through time. Agape
---Luke on 4/8/14

Well Warwick, if you go back and read from the beginning to end the continual conversation, it is confusing why you now say what you say. I said from the very beginning God did not ADD any curses on man, And that you misuse the word curse, which rather should be consequence.

You first argue, then finally come back agreeing with me, but make it look like I'm the confused one.

It's called pride Warwick. Pride in not reading what someone says first. This isn't the first time you've tried to engage me in an argument of your own making, and I'm sure won't be the last.
---kathr4453 on 4/7/14

Kath, sometimes you are a worry. I cannot even imagine where you got the idea I believe the curse was something additional to death, disease, and suffering. The curse is a term generally used to describe all the horrible effects which God caused to befall mankind, and the whole of creation, because of Adam's sin.

The Lord gives an insight into some of the effects of the curse when He tells us what will be no more when He returns "He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away" Revelation 21:4.
---Warwick on 4/4/14

Kath, you wrote "Saved women today STILL have birth pain" Of course they do, as we are still under the curse, until Jesus returns. That is what Revelation 21:4 explains, that when He returns the curse will be overturned.

Christ "who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body" (Philippians 3:21) and "He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away" (Revelation 21:4).

Is that not something worth waiting for? Maranatha!
---Warwick on 4/4/14

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Jer 11:3 And say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Cursed [be] the man that obeyeth not the words of this covenant,
Jer 17:5 Thus saith the LORD, Cursed [be] the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
John 7:49 But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse...
Ref. Deu 27,28
Man is cursed and condemned, but we who are in Christ are free indeed.
---micha9344 on 4/3/14

Warwick, yes the word curse is used throughout the bible. I hope you didn't misread what I said. I also show it it used through out scripture. I also showed keeping the LAW does not remove the curse. Yet it would appear that verse Markv put down may suggest it does. How aweful to mislead anyone.

When Adam sinned the consequence was DEATH. Adam brought DEATH to all man. With death is disease. But more than death happened...right....SIN. This was all the consequences of ADAMS choices. And you say God CURSED "man" on top of all that? If that were so, there would be NO promise of Redemption.

When scripture talks of "cursed children" it's those who have brought even more wrath upon themselves....
---kathr4453 on 4/3/14

Warwick, if man is already "cursed" with a curse from God to begin with , isn't it rather stupid for God to threaten a curse on the already cursed mankind. It's like threatening a POW with starvation when you're already starving them.

If you read other says CURSE OF THE LAW. So with the LAW came curses. Before the LAW of Moses, sin was not imputed where there was no law. Yet DEATH and separation from God has always been. That HOPE of reconciliation happened immediately after when God covered Adam and Eve in animal skins. The JUST shall live by faith. You can't be JUST and cursed at the same time. And today, you can't be saved and cursed at the same time. Saved women today STILL have birth pain.
---kathr453 on 4/3/14

Galatians 3:10-13
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Interesting vs 13 does not say CURSE OF ADAM AND EVE.
---kathr4453 on 4/3/14

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Kath, I am not misusing "curse." It is used throughout the OT to describe Gods judgement because of sin.

You understand this world, indeed the whole of creation, suffers dreadfully because of Adam sin via the judgement placed upon all creation, by God. Revelation 21:4 makes is very clear "He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away." The former things? The dreadful sufferings inflicted upon mankind, beginning with Adam's sin and continuing until now, because of mans sinfulness. Do you imagine death, disease, misery and suffering were in the Garden of Eden, before sin?
---Warwick on 4/2/14

"... If man is already cursed....who cares!"
---kathr4453 on 4/2/14

Excellent logic!

Jesus said, "It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world."

God has provided his word, his light to mankind from the beginning of time. To say that the whole of mankind walked in total darkness until Christ is not right.
John 14:1 "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me."
---Nana on 4/2/14

Kath, you wrote: "If all men are cursed period, we know that self effort of keeping eh LAW doesn't remove the curse YOU say God placed on all men from the beginning. See how messed up your theology is?" Hebrews 10:1 says the LAW via sacrifices can never "make perfect those who draw near to worship."

Is this not the reason Jesus came, to overturn the curse which was proclaimed on the whole of Creation, and which sacrifices were powerless to do? "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive." I Corinthians 15:22. See also Romans 5:12-21.
---Warwick on 4/2/14

Deuteronomy 18:

13: "Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God."

18 "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
19 "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."

Law aside, who said this: Matthew 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."
---Nana on 4/2/14

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"Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the Law to do them" ///

Yes MarkV, that is correct under the LAW OF MOSES. But before the LAW no such statements were made. And if Israel obeyed the Law, God blessed them. These blessing's and cursing's were attached to the LAW and given only to Israel.

If all men are cursed period, we know that self effort of keeping eh LAW doesn't remove the curse YOU say God placed on all men from the beginning. See how messed up your theology is?

God said to Gentiles also concerning Israel , "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. If man is already cursed....who cares!
---kathr4453 on 4/2/14

Warwick, thank you for explaining the curse. Because of Adam everyone who is physically born is born cursed.
"Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the Law to do them" Gal. 3:10. Since no one can keep all of the law, they are cursed. The book of the Law is God's so the curse comes from God.
Did God ordain that Adam would sin? Sure. We are told that Christ was "Foreknown indeed as a sacrifice for sin before the foundation of the world" 1 Peter 1:20.
If you read what Paul said, he spoke of "the eternal purpose" which was purposed in Jesus Christ our Lord Ephesians 3:11.
---Luke on 4/2/14

Warwick, there is no verse in scripture where God said....because man has sinned I am CURSING them. In the OT there are blessings and cursings. Yes the fall of man brought sin and death into the world. That is not the same as God saying...."I curse man from this day forward".

If God cursed man like He cursed the serpent, there would be no hope whatsoever. The fact that Adam and Eve were covered in animal skins by God Himself shows He did not "curse "man.

Our actions brought a change in relationship, but there was no CURSE on top of that.
I just think you misuse the word "curse".
---kathr4453 on 4/2/14

Kath, Kath Acts 3,21 tells us things will be restored when Jesus returns.

Genesis ch.3 proclaims the curse in detail as it fell upon Adam and Eve: Eves pain in childbirth "greatly increased", Adam will now "rule over her", painful toil now necessary to eat. In fact the curse affected all creation. And they will now die, no longer having access to the tree of life. And you deny they were cursed! You jest!

But what is the restoration Acts 3:21 speaks about? See Revelation-21:4-on His return Jesus "will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away."

The curse is finished.
---Warwick on 4/1/14

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Luke, you do believe our God is perfect don't you? I will take that as a yes. You therefore believe that when God finished creation He declared it "very good" by His standards, but it was imperfect.

Tell me something do you believe He purposefully made creation imperfect or do you believe He is unable to create perfection?

BTW that Adam sinned does not disclose imperfection but rebellion, as Adam was well aware he was willingly disobeying Gods direct command. If you believe God created Adam imperfect so as to cause him to sin you will find nothing in Scripture to support your belief. The inspired NT writers only blame Adam for sin's entry into the world, never God.
---Warwick on 4/1/14

God NEVER cursed mankind. You will not find one scripture stating God cursed mankind. he didn't even curse the animals. He cursed the ground and the serpent.

Now some may say the pain of childbirth is a curse....however it is not. Even animals go through pain giving birth and they in no way were cursed.
---kathr4453 on 4/1/14

If as you say Jesus "the last Adam" was born perfect then why not Adam also?

---Warwick on 3/31/14

Because the Last Adam, Jesus Christ is fully God Fully man. And the Last Adam was not CREATED as the first Adam.

Gee wiz Warwick, don't you believe Jesus, the last Adam is God in the Flesh? Or did you think the first Adam was God also?
---kathr4453 on 4/1/14

//If as you say Jesus "the last Adam" was born perfect then why not Adam also?//

Because Adam was a man who failed. Something perfect never fails. Like with God. God is perfect in nature, but His dealings with man are different even though they bring about His purpose and His will concerning His plan. We could say that when God cursed mankind, it was a perfect curse.
---Luke on 4/1/14

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Luke I think you are missing the point.

We are considering what "very good" means to a perfect God. Why would anyone consider the works of a perfect God to be anything less than perfect? If the "very good" of God is less than perfect then maybe He made His creation "near enough"?

If as you say Jesus "the last Adam" was born perfect then why not Adam also?
---Warwick on 3/31/14

Warwick, I believe the reason that the Bible states "very good" is because good is the opposite of "Evil." And so the word "good" was used and not perfect. When God finished creating everything was "very good" there was no evil found in His creation. I find no other reason why "very good" was used.
I do find many reasons why "perfect" was not used. Since only Jesus Christ was/is perfect, and He never fails, anyone or anything other then Christ do fail. Agape brother.
---Luke on 3/31/14

Kath, beyond opinions Jesus was called "the last Adam", for good reason.

Jesus is Son of God, who is Spirit. He is also called Son of Man, as to his flesh. The coming Saviour (God) said ".....a body have you prepared for me" Hebrews 10:5.

But what has this to do with that which I have written?

As to perfection, Deuteronomy 32:4 says all God's works are perfect. When His Creation was finished God called it "very good." To imagine that what our perfect God calls "very good" is not perfect is unbiblical.

To imagine God is the author of evil is plainly contradicted by James 1:13 and 17.
---Warwick on 3/29/14

The difference between Adam and Jesus, is that Jesus is God who was made flesh. Adam was earthly, made out of the dust of the earth. Adam was created, Jesus was not. Adam was not PERFECT. Jesus Christ is.

Our perfection comes only as we are in Christ. Adam was never originally IN CHRIST. Angels are also called sons, but are not human, or are they gods, or are they IN CHRIST, and are not perfect as God is perfect.
---kathr4453 on 3/26/14

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Dear Warwick, thank you very much for the debate. The topic of Christ, whether He could sin or not is another area that has being discussed by many.
You mentioned a few times that you go by the Bible only, and if you do, you will not find the word perfect in Creation. We can leave it at that brother, it does not change the love of a brother, Agape
---Luke on 3/26/14

Luke, that Adam sinned does not mean He was created imperfect. Ezekiel 28:15 shows Satan was created perfect but he sinned.

Adam was "the son of God" Luke 3:38. And Jesus is "the last Adam" 1 Corinthians 15:45. As to His humanity Jesus (like all men) was capable of sin, but didn't. "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin" Hebrews 4:15. Both Adam and Jesus were born perfect nonetheless capable of sin, the wonder being that Jesus did not sin. That Adam sinned is not a sign of imperfection.

Let us leave it there.
---Warwick on 3/25/14

Dear Warwick,
another thing you missed is that Adam was not created perfect, that is why he failed the test of obedience. He was created without sin. But with the possibilities of failure. And sure enough he did. If he was perfect he would have been equal to Christ. He was a man created from the dust of the ground, and Of course one day everything will be restored. But the word "perfect" is not used for a simple reason that if God had made everything perfect, it would be perfect today and forever. We can agree to disagree, Agage
---Luke on 3/25/14

We will not be the same "flesh" in the new heaven and Earth as Adam and Eve were made in the Garden of Eden.
---micha9344 on 3/25/14

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Luke you have missed the point: death, disease and suffering are in our world, because of Adams sin. But that is going to change.

Acts 3:21 "..until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago." Restored to what: millions of years of death, disease and struggle for survival or to the sinless perfection of Eden?

Revelation 21:4 "He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away." Does this describe life since the curse or that before it?

These Scriptures confirm Gods Creation was made perfect, and will become so again
---Warwick on 3/24/14

When you understand his word. You will see it is perfect. It stops evil dead in it's tracks. And it gives life to those who believe in it.
---Bryan on 3/24/14

Dear Warwick, from the Bible concerning Creation, God's work was not perfect, it was very good. If God had made everything perfect in Creation, nothing would have fail. Stars would not die, no one would get old and die. Good was the way He wanted it. Why? Because how can God make something perfect, to find out later it failed? That would mean something defeated the purpose of God. Nothing defeats the power and purposes of God.
"My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all My purpose" Isa. 46:9,10.
"I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted" Job 42:2.
Only God is perfect, and if He makes something good, it does not change His nature of being perfect.
---Luke on 3/24/14

Luke, now let us get this clear. Deuteronomy 32:4 says all God's works are perfect. Yes? And Creation is a work of God which the perfect God Himself says was made (in His terms) "very good" but you say He made it imperfect. But His word says all His works are perfect, right?

Please explain!
---Warwick on 3/23/14

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Luke, what we must keep in mind is that words are defined by context, as words do not stand alone. The context is God who in His very essence is perfect.

Deuteronomy 32:4 is obviously referring to God's works and says all His works are perfect (as you say Hebrew tamiym) which my Hebrew Biblical dictionary defines as "without defect, blameless, perfect."

See 2 Samuel 22:31 which says "His way is perfect."

God is perfect therefore what He does is by definition perfect. Romans 8:23 tells us we live in an imperfect world, made so by sin. It was not created this way.
---Warwick on 3/23/14

Dear Warwick, "very good" does not mean "perfect."
Something perfect does not fail, the reason it is called perfect.
The word is "Tov" an adj. It means good, pleasant, beautiful, excellent, lovely, delightful, convenient, joyful, fruitful, precious, sound, cheerful, righteous.
It may refer to practical or economic benefits, wisdom.
Good over evil.
---Luke on 3/22/14

I don't mind Romans to much. But I do like what Jesus said, I set before you life or death! Then he said choose life.
---Bryan on 3/22/14

Dear Warwick, concerning Deuteronomy 32:4, the word that Moses used in his song was perfect "Tamim" It means entire (literally, figuratively, or morally whole in ( Joshua 10:13), complete (Lev. 23:16: Ps. 19:7) it also means Perfect, sound (free from blemishes in sacrificial victims (Ex. 12:5: Lev. 1:3)
In Moses song Moses uses a different word to describe the actions of God it is not the same word used in Creation. A complete different context. Thank you brother, agape.
---Luke on 3/22/14

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Bryan, Consider Romans 8:21-23 "that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body."

Though saved we are still living, suffering and dying in a cursed world. Perfection is yet to come. As you know these verses were written years after Jesus' death and resurrection.
---Warwick on 3/21/14

Warwick I believe Jesus paid that price for me. You may believe your are still in debt to Adam's sin if you want. But I'm alive in Christ Jesus not dead in Adam's sin
---Bryan on 3/21/14

Luke, when God finished creation He said it was "very good." Deuteronomy 32:4 defines "very good" for us saying all God's works are perfect. What you are saying is that God's creation was "very good" when finished (Genesis 1:31) but none the less imperfect! From where do you get the idea that God's "very good" was not perfect, when finished?

That Adam's sin plunged the universe into the curse is irrelevant to Genesis 1:31 as Adam later used his freedom to disobey God, and we are still paying the price.
---Warwick on 3/21/14

Matthew 5:47 "And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

A perfection pleasing to God can be obtained by living a life at par with the particulars of the Christian faith.
---Nana on 3/20/14

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Bryan, creation was God's work and as Deuteronomy 32:4 says-all His works are perfect. Therefore it was created perfect without blemish, without death, disease or suffering. Therefore man was created perfect with no sin in him.

Considering Deuteronomy 32:4 do you imagine God would say His creation was "very good" (Genesis 1:31) when finished if sin (the cause of death)and death, and disease were already present?
---Warwick on 3/20/14

//Bryan, evil is not a created thing but an action i.e. man's disobedience. If you say God created evil then you are saying His creation never was perfect. But God's word says it was.//

God never said what He created was perfect. If He had said it was perfect then nothing would have failed. He said it was good. Something perfect does not fail.
Jesus on the other hand was/is perfect, He never fails. Man was not made perfect. He was made capable of sinning, and did.
---Luke on 3/20/14

God never said we were perfect. But his word "Jesus" is perfect. It is perfect in every way.
---Bryan on 3/19/14

Thank you Marc

That is a good point and essential that we always remember the context of a passage.

This changes the way many should interpret the passage.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/19/14

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Genesis 2:9 - And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food : the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil,
---RichardC on 3/18/14

Let's look at it like this God's creation is perfect. The word is perfect in every way. If you use it to do God's will it will produce life in you. If you use it for your selfish desires there is no life in that. So it is his word that produces. Jesus said I set before you life or death. That statement alone tells you who has the power.
---Bryan on 3/18/14


Before it's too late (it probably is already) and you sketch out a fully-developed theodicy based on a single poetic line, it may pay to see that Isaiah 45:1-13 is addressed to Cyrus, a pagan. Read verse 7 in that CONTEXT.
---Marc on 3/18/14

Bryan, evil is not a created thing but an action i.e. man's disobedience. If you say God created evil then you are saying His creation never was perfect. But God's word says it was.

Maybe you are one of those who believe Adam was created already with sin in him meaning he was made to sin by God. This makes God a monster, as He (If you are correct) cursed all mankind for something which Adam could not avoid.
---Warwick on 3/18/14

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We're not talking about sinful man we're talking about what God has created. It is true man perverted the Word of God but it is still the Word of God was used to create the evil, evil has no power to creat. It only has power to pervert. So what is evil?perverting the Word of God to do your own selfish desires With.
---Bryan on 3/18/14

Bryan, Isaiah 45:7 is not about evil as sinful man is, but about the evil/calamity/disaster of judgement and punishment which God brings upon those who sin.

In reality Scripture says all Gods works are perfect-Deuteronomy 32:4. Sin is a marring of His perfection so cannot be something God created. Scripture defines sin as being mans rebelling against God's commands, beginning with Adam. Sin is not something created by God but something brought into Creation by man. See Romans 8:23 which tells us the whole of Creation groans because of man's sin.
---Warwick on 3/17/14

There is nothing made that was not made by him. All things are made by Jesus, Good, Evil, Life, Death it is all made by him. Then he said choose life. So your choice is to choose one or the other. That is why darkness has trouble with the word. Cause the word made the darkness.
---Bryan on 3/17/14

we all deserve punishment but God sent His Son to deliver us. when He sees a born again child of His, He sees the blood.
---shira4368 on 3/7/14

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David8318: I agree with your last comment, only those that deserve to be punished are punished by God.
---Adetunji on 3/5/14

Great explanation Gordon. The ultimate cause of all things is God. Everything God does has a purpose in His ultimate plan. The Scriptures do reveal that God's providence is universal, that He secures the complete fulfillment of His plan. He controls nature or the physical world, the animal creation, nations, individual men, the free acts of men, the sinful acts of men. God many times presents the outside inducements that man acts in accordance with his own nature, yet does exactly what God has planned for him to do. And that is an awesome job that God does. No other god can do that.
---Luke on 3/5/14

First of all, God is not the author of sin or confusion.

1Cor14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

He does not tempt man to sin. Man is sinful without the help of God.

In Isaiah 45:7 God is speaking of his sore judgments, famine, pestilence, evil beasts, storms, and the sword, or war, etc.

Jonah1:4 But the LORD sent out a great wind into the sea, and there was a mighty tempest in the sea, so that the ship was like to be broken.
---trey on 3/4/14

Adetunji- yes I agree, the point being: 'anyone who deserves God's punishment'. There is always a reason why God would bring 'evil' upon a people. Isaiah 45:7 is not teaching the indiscriminate dispensing of 'evil' by God. At Isaiah 45 it is the Babylonians who 'deserved God's punishment'. It doesn't mean the whole earth.

God did not bring 'evil' upon Noah and his family at the time of the flood because they practiced righteousness. Which is a good example of the point I was making in my previous post. God's bringing of 'calamity' or 'evil' is always discriminate.

There is always a reason why God would bring calamity down on someone. God is never indiscriminate.
---David8318 on 3/4/14

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David8316://But in the context of Isaiah 45:7, the 'calamity', 'woe' or 'evil' was to be brought against God's enemies- in this instance the Babylonians- not to mankind in general//

God enemies were sometimes Israelis as well. It can also be the whole earth(during the time of Noah). It can also be Christians of today, any one who deserves God's punishment or discipline or correction in a terrible manner.
---Adetunji on 3/4/14

thanks gordon and scott sometimes blogs get all answers with people arguing,but i think these answers are good!
---jamea3475 on 3/4/14

how many times have you been to the doctor when you are healthy?
Sometimes it is God that causes disaster so that we can/will learn more about Him.

It is great to know that God creates all things and that he is a loving father even when we may not see it at the time of disaster like when Judah is being taken into captivity.

Being able to say "Great is thy faithfulness" is one thing saying "Great is thy faithfulness" when you see your country/city of God being overrun is quite another.

It is a blessing to know that God is in control of all things and not a dual good vs evil fighting each other.
---Scott1 on 3/3/14

Great explanation Gordon.
---Leon on 3/3/14

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Jamea,one of the definitions of the word 'Bara' is "to dispatch". I believe that definition is the applicable one here. Why? Father "creating" evil has no witness, His dispatching evil does. Where? "Jdg 9:23>1Sa 16:14-16,23>18:10>19:9>1Ki 22:22>2Ch 18:21>Job 2:6
---josef on 3/3/14

'create disaster'- NIV.

'creating calamity'- ASV.

'create calamity'- NKJV.

'create woe'- RSV.

Depends on which translation you use. Interestingly, the New King James version opts for 'calamity' instead of 'evil'.

But in the context of Isaiah 45:7, the 'calamity', 'woe' or 'evil' was to be brought against God's enemies- in this instance the Babylonians- not to mankind in general.
---David8318 on 3/3/14

GOD is the ONE Who is in the ultimate control.
Satan is the author of evil in it's truest since.
But, GOD allows Satan and his fallen angels to wreak havoc and temptation all to serve as GOD's Judgment onto whomever it falls. OR, at times, it can befall as a test, as in Job's case.
But, when the evil strikes as Judgment, GOD takes credit, even though it's Satan causing it, for it is an instrument of GOD's Judgment.
Even Satan is limited on what he can do and when.
Satan can do nothing without GOD first allowing it. And, for Satan, the evil is done out of spite and hate. But, GOD allows that same evil for HIS Righteous Purposes.
---Gordon on 3/3/14

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