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Leadership In The Church

What is God's model for leadership in His church?

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 ---Leon on 6/3/14
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Here's my take on Leadership in the church,except for JesusChrist,most leaders are made not born.Leaders must be christlikeEp.5:23,2Cor.5:20
Read 1Tim.3:2 Overseer-must be above reproach, husband of one wife, selfcontrolled,respetable,hospitable, able to teach, not a, drunkard, not quarrellsome nor a lover of money.

Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 7/13/14

Dear Peter,
Sister Rita's advice is great, act good, behave good, are actions of a true Christian. But those things do not change another persons heart. Only God can change a persons heart. You can be the greatest guy in the world, and nothing will happen. The person will remain the same until God changes them.
Through a Christian husband teaching the gospel, a wife can be brought to Christ. Through prayer God can bring someone to Christ. Only if it is in the will of God. Sometimes for some reason or other, God does not change the person. But God has reasons for that. Nevertheless Love her no matter what. I know a woman who prayed for her husband for over 20 years and nothing has yet happen. Your faith is in God, not in anyone else. Agape
---Luke on 6/30/14

Peter, just pray for your wife. Pray for all her normal needs in life (her health, her friends and the family she had pre-marriage, her work -if she works outside the home - etc.).

Behave as a Christian should behave so that she will witness this but do so without any pushing and lectures. She will see you change from what you were and will, eventually, want what you have.

Above all else, love and cherish your wife as God instructs. She will see how different you are from some other husbands and will, eventually, understand why that is so.
---Rita_H on 6/30/14

Mary, Rita H: I understand what you mean, from the husband's side. I married my wife while neither of us were Christian, then I became a Christian but she, so far, has not.

It is hard, for I understand that any error on my part may be held as an 'error of God', though I see that now my wife at least tells me to be praying about things, something she did not do in the past.

But I know the troubles of a marriage where one is a Christian.

But I also understand it would be harder if the one was the wife.
---Peter on 6/29/14

Hi Rita, I am so thankful I'm no longer married to that man, married to a loving man now, he is an alcoholic in treatment, but he's a very good man. :)
---Mary on 6/29/14

Mary, that woman's advice was appalling. She should have had the wisdom to speak gently with you about the whole situation and, if necessary, should have sought the help of other Christians to get you moved to a 'safe house'.

I'm certain that Jesus would not have said "be more submissive". He'd have let the man know how wrong he was in the way he treated his wife.

Some years ago I read a book which told of a woman who was beaten mercilessly by her Vicar husband. The church refused to help her and one day he killed her.

Sometimes the answer is for the woman to just 'get out of there'.
---Rita_H on 6/29/14

I agree with you Luke. And I once asked a woman for advice when my ex was cruel to me and she simply said "Be more submissive"! I was none too happy with her blanket answer that didn't address my ex's cruelty!
---Mary on 6/28/14

Dear Shira,
I understand what you are saying. I am oppose to husbands being abusive. No one should be abusive, wives or husbands. What happens many times is that Christians marry non Christians, and that is not commanded by God. And sometimes both who marry are not Christian and then one is saved by God. The one saved is still obligated to God, of course if a non Christian husband demands things that are not of God, the wife does not have to submit to those demands. Many man in many countries have taken the head of the wife standard to great extremes, but that happens mostly with non Christians. They use the Bible teachings to justify what they do. Agape
---Luke on 6/26/14

//Luke, I just assumed everyone understood the word ditto. By that word I mean "I agree"//

Dear Rita,
I understood what you meant very well. What I meant to say is that it was so easy for Shira to misunderstand a simple answer, and respond to you the way she did.
I also understand it is very difficult for a Christian wife when their husbands are not Christian. But the standards God gave for a Christian woman still stands, whether the husband is Christian or not, for nowhere are we told they are not to submit to their husbands if he is not Christian. Of course within reason. The same holds true for the standards given to man. Even if his wife is not Christian, he is still obligated to be submissive to the Lord. Agape
---Luke on 6/25/14

Luke, I don't have any trouble with the man being head of the household. What bothers me if the numerous times I've seen men abuse women because HE is the boss. Bible says the man should love his wife like Christ loved the church. I don't believe God expects us to be abused. The church and family are structured the same. The problem is the head of most families are worldly and bossy. Luke that's what I oppose.
---shira4368 on 6/25/14

rita, thanks for straightening it out. I was very confused when I read it over and over. we have become friends on this site and your belief's are like mine. Ive paid attention to others views here. thanks again rita.
---shira4368 on 6/24/14

Shira and Luke. I think I've attached incorrect names to a couple of my recent posts. Shira I was agreeing with you where you think I was opposing you. You have not offended me at all.
I have a lot on my mind this week (serious family health issues) I'm not thinking straight right now.

Luke - it is very difficult for women to be submissive to men who will not honour their part of what scripture has to say about love and submission etc. Both genders are given instructions for marriage. It is not just about a woman having to do what the man says and wants. She has needs also which HE is supposed to fulfil and HE would not demand what is near impossible to her IF he loved her.
---Rita_H on 6/24/14

Luke, I just assumed everyone understood the word ditto. By that word I mean "I agree", or "I would have said exactly the same' or words to that effect.

In a nutshell, I was agreeing with Shira's post.
---Rita_H on 6/24/14

Dear Rita,
With Shira's answer to you, do you now see how easy someone can find something personally wrong when we answer? When the questions become personal instead of godly, the whole blog is ruin. I see that happening in many blogs now. If I hurt your feelings somehow, I am sorry. The same goes to Shira.
What I believe happened, and let me know if I am wrong, both of you are not very fond of woman being submissive to their husbands. I know why, because many woman have being abused. I understand. But I was speaking for what Scripture tells us. What is commanded by God for our Christian lives. That was all. Nothing personal. Agape
---Luke on 6/24/14

rita, what is your ditto for? I have re read and I am still as dumb as I was the first time I read it. what is wrong with you and leon?
---shira4368 on 6/23/14

rita, please tell me what is going on here. what did I say that would justify an attack from you and luke? I have re-read several times and I guess Im just dumb because I don't see what you see. please, tell me what you see that I can't see.
---shira4368 on 6/23/14

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Dear Rita,
Thank you also for your answer, I did put your name next to Shira.
The only way to know who I am speaking to is by the way others show their love for others when they answer. I am sorry I even asked the question. May the peace of God never leave you. Agape to both of you.
---Luke on 6/23/14

Luke, that's virtually DITTO from me also, just re-read Shira's entry and place MY name at the end of it.
---Rita_H on 6/23/14

// I don't think any godly man born of the Spirit would ever say that? But then again, I could be wrong.//

Dear Shira,
That was my answer to you. Because I did not know it was wrong for a brother to ask a sister in the Lord a simple question. I am glad I wasn't the one who needed your help. But thanks for answering. I thought as Christians we were to help and take care of each other because of the love that is in our hearts. I will move on to another blog. Agape
---Luke on 6/23/14

luke, I have come to the conclusion you are a trouble maker. I was married for 50 yrs and we took care of each other. I did everything for him and he did everything for me. I have been a widow for 7 years and I don't need a man to take care of me. Oh I did have one fella to want someone to take care of him.
---shira4368 on 6/22/14

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I would like to ask Rita or Shira to answer this question.
"Don't Christian women want man to take care of them?" Or they just want a man to be married to for no reason at all?
What is wrong with a Christian man to be open to the idea that they want a woman to take care of them? Isn't that what marriage is all about? Each taking care of each other, to have a life together, and be there when one needs the other?
Has anyone ever told either one of you that a man wants you to take care of him, while he doesn't have to take care of you? I don't think any godly man born of the Spirit would ever say that? But then again, I could be wrong. God ahead, let me have it. Agape
---Luke on 6/20/14

Shira, where I now live there are several men looking for a woman to 'look after them'. I learned the hard way that it is wise for a woman walking alone to just smile and say "hello" and continue walking. I hope I never have to use your words "Take a hike" but I'll keep them in mind !!
---Rita_H on 6/19/14

Submitting to your husband don't mean he orders you around like a maid. I can get in the flesh quick on this subject. One guy who wanted to get married cause he needed someone to take care of him. I told him to take a hike.
---shira4368 on 6/18/14

Hi Rita, kudos to the husband who stood up for his wife!! :) :) :)
---Mary on 6/18/14

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A church which we attended when our children were small had a group of men (some were elders there) who 'ordered' the women "you put on the kettle so we can have tea", "you go help in the creche because so-and-so hasn't turned up" etc.

A new family joined the church and one day (on hearing these orders - one given to his wife - the husband stood up and said "The bible says wives submit to your husbands. My wife submits to me BUT NOT to every husband in this church."

Things changed.
---Rita_H on 6/17/14

Family,you know God bless this couple Pastor and his wife,they are the first ones,I have known in this city,been close around her and since I started,I.notice she gives such a love and respect to.all.

She complements him in many ways..she is patient,kind,loving to.the people some are homeless,she is quiet and I.never seen a couple so well mannered and she knows what when not to speak,she is intelligent and gets along but stern to have respect among the women,she does not let them push her a round but such a wonderful couple they are..I ask her " how do you do it?" Her reply.." when I married Jim I.said God teach me to love the people,too!" Wow! That's class..they are special in God's them,too.
---Elena9555 on 6/17/14

"What is God's model for leadership in His church?"
The leader "Must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach, ruling their children and their own houses well. Having faithful children not accused of dissipation or insubordination. 1 Timothy 3:2>3:12>Titus 1:6
---josef on 6/13/14

Leon, I completely agree.
---love.jesus on 6/7/14

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I'm glad to hear that Love... I now understand you weren't talking about your personal experience but the conditions of other christians in churches they attend.

I agree, there are a lot of control freaks (false prophets) who are making merchandise of a great many people in church-houses as well as by way of electronic media. But, it's our individual christian responsibility to study our Bible so that we will know how to respond to these people & walk in God's instructions for our lives. Again, if church under-shepherds (pastors, elders, etc.) aren't leading according to what the Bible says, church congregations must "lovingly" call them out in the matter(s).
---Leon on 6/7/14

Leon, actually my experiences have been pretty positive. I have attended the same church for the last twenty-seven years and I would not have stayed that long if it were not a pleasant place to be. It it is a church affiliated with the Baptist General Conference. No one there has ever told me that if I didn't do such and such or believe such and such that something bad would happen to me. I have been accepted and loved just as I am.
---love.Jesus on 6/6/14

Jesus is head of the body. Any type of church that does not teach this, will have issues. When leadership take advange of it flock. For their selfish desires they will infame themselves. Jesus is a consuming fire, we are to be sheep but not blind sheep.
---Bryan on 6/7/14

"Leon, whatever "authority" so-called Christian leaders have nowadays, they have arrogated to themselves...many of those people become abusive. Power corrupts, especially in churches."
---love.Jesus on 6/5/14

Love...! It seems you've been hurt by church leadership, so you're not willing to submit to anyone's church authority again. I see that because I've been there also. But, understand that doesn't negate God's Bible established line of authority in "His church". The Bible instructs how we're to handle church members (even leadership) who offend/abuse us. It also instructs us to pray for those in authority over us because they will have to give an account to God for their behavior.
---Leon on 6/6/14

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maybe some congregations have corrupt leadership. we are told things will wax worse as we get to the end times. there are many corrupt leaders in high places and it isn't limited to the church. anytime you are part of an assembly of church, if it does not live up to how God has instituted it, get away from that place.
---shira4368 on 6/6/14

Leon, whatever "authority" so-called Christian leaders have nowadays, they have arrogated to themselves. There no real way to determine any other source of their authority. And so many of those people become abusive. Power corrupts, especially in churches.
---love.Jesus on 6/5/14

There is structure in a congregation. God set the church up sort of like the family. We have the head of the family which is the husband. That does not mean we are subservient to men. We have a different role. The pastor is ahead of the local church but he also has to answer to a Holy God. A deacon's job is to take care of the widows and fatherless. I don't know of one deacon that does that. By take care I mean if a widow needs something she can't do, the church should help.
---shira4368 on 6/5/14

Love: It's not a matter of what's an issue to you or anyone else. God, by His recorded word (the Bible), sets very clear individual authorities over people in His church regardless of anyone's personal preferences or opinions in the matter. To go against God's word is anathema!
---Leon on 6/5/14

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Generally females are seen, in church and out, as followers of instructions from males. But not all leading is done on stage. Wives and mothers have major leadership duties through influencing the men in their lives. Never any second-class suggestion.
---Geraldine on 6/5/14

Leon, That is not an issue for me. I do not belong to a congregation which is authoritarian. The whole idea of one Christian having authority over another Christian is anathema to me.
---love.jesus on 6/5/14

St. Paul also said that women were not to speak in church or hold authority over men, too.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/5/14

Love: You have correctly quoted Gal. 3:28 as it pertains to the entire body of Christ. How then does that fit what 1 Tim. 3:2, 1 Tim. 3:8-12 & 2 Titus 1:6 says about the administrations of certain ministerial gifts in the church?
---Leon on 6/5/14

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"There Is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28
---love.jesus on 6/5/14

So Love..., are you saying you feel all ministerial positions should be gender neutral if a person is serving in the church? Is that what the Bible says?
---Leon on 6/5/14

"But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant..." should apply to both men and women, I would think.
---love.jesus on 6/4/14

"And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."

Now, must one be a member of a denominational church to fill one of these positions?
---Steveng on 6/4/14

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The hierarchical model of bishops, presbyters, deacons, and minor ministers.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/4/14

Love...: The Bible speaks of pastors, elders, prophets, evangelist, deacons, bishops, apostles in the church of Jesus Christ. Are all of these ministerial callings gender neutral?
---Leon on 6/4/14

"But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant." Matt.23:11
---love.jesus on 6/4/14

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