Explain Genesis 3:24
Genesis 3:24 does not talk about a sword, it talks about "a flaming sword which turned every way."
find your witness to your little quips that you think persuade. i found mine: Rev 19:11-15.
btw...he never said that he armed the Cheribum with this "weapon".
leon said it best.
sin is THE act of war (Psa 120:7).
"to the way of the tree of life" is an act of love.
---aka on 10/16/14|
/People have seen angels but never Cherubim!\-1st_cliff on 6/14/14
-Cherubim is plural for cherub
-Ezekiel saw cherubim.
Exo 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
Heb 9:5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat, of which we cannot now speak particularly.
1Ki 6:23 And within the oracle he made two cherubims of olive tree, each ten cubits high.
-These people knew what cherubim looked like.
---micha9344 on 10/16/14|
\\People have seen angels but never Cherubim!
---1st_cliff on 6/14/14\\
Apparently Adam and Eve did.
---Cluny on 10/15/14|
Explain Genesis 3:24
I find Genesis 3:24 a very strange scripture, Your thoughts?
---1st_cliff on 6/14/14
Not something I usually speculate about but, in blog boredom I looked at the verse.
When you look at the original wording the translators chose "sword". The primitive root is a drought...., to parch (through drought), that is, (by analogy) to desolate, destroy, kill: - decay, (be) desolate, destroy (-er), (be) dry (up), slay, X surely, (lay, lie, make) waste.
Perhaps "Eden" was hedged by a intensely hot desert +.
---Trav on 9/8/14|
Can you imagine Adam in a fallen state with access to a tree that gives eternal life? After 70-80 years, we aren't looking very good, imagine Adam at about 6000 years now? Blocking the entry, I believe, was an act of grace!
---Ken_Rank on 9/2/14|
//I understand the "reason" for the blocked entry, but some creature with wings sticking out of his back or in place of arms, really? Did they really need a sword too?//
what you do not take into consideration is that many words used in Scripture have some kind of significance.
"And a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life"
Perhaps it is associated directly with the cherubim or the flaming, fiery Shekinah presence of God Himself. God is consider a flaming fire in many cases. I am sure there was not a real flaming sword which moved every which way, stopping anyone from getting to the tree of life? Swords have no life of itself.
---Luke on 7/25/14|
Cliff: I find nothing strange about Gen 3:24. It doesn't say that Adam & Eve had swords, but rather an angel. Yes, war had already been fought by angels. Have you not read:
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels,
It also does not say that there were other people at that time. Perhaps you think too much.
---jerry6593 on 7/25/14|
"...What I find most unusual is that when there's only two people on earth... already a weapon of war, a sword, is created before... violence is even thought of..."[?]
---1st_cliff on 6/15/14
Luke: Cliff gave an explanation in June, but he failed to realize God told A & E to be fruitful & multiply. I believe A & E were fruitful & multiplied while they lived in the garden, & the results were girl children. So, there may have been more than two people on earth at the time of the fall.
SIN is an act of war against God. A & E's fall from grace created a propensity for violence, e.g., Cain murdering Abel, etc.
So yes, angels with swords were very necessary considering the circumstances.
---Leon on 7/24/14|
Please do not use my name. If you are going to make a comment use your own name, or something to the name of Luke. My question to 1Cliff was very important. He has reasons why he posts blogs.
---Luke on 7/2/14|
Luke, he just ask a question. No need to be sissy about it.
---Luke on 7/1/14|
1Cliff, can you explain to us why you found it necessary to say that Genesis 3:24 is very strange? You must have had a reason for putting the blog question, What was your purpose? Agape
---Luke on 6/30/14|
Thank you for the passages. When a student of the word of God wants to know the truth, his heart has to be open to the Spirit. When it is open, God reveals His word and meaning to him, by giving him a passion to learn, and supplying him with great teachers on how to read the passages that might be confusing. Scripture interprets Scripture. Bless you, Agape
---Luke on 6/26/14|
Luke on 6/16/14 - Scripture are symbolic in nature ,
Ephesians 6:17 - And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit which is the word of God,
Deuteronomy 4:24 - For the Lord is a consuming fire, Even a jealous God,
Luke - Just thought those verses will help to proof your point,
---RICHARDC on 6/20/14|
Also, a sword is only a "weapon of war" if that is where your mind leads you.
It seems that the flaming sword was not used for attacking, but for defending.
Even though the word "sword" did not show up again until Gen 27, one of Adam's descendants was a smith of sorts.
Gen 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron...
Harvesting crops could have been done by wood, rock, or hand, but there were metallurgists before the flood.
---micha9344 on 6/16/14|
I find that some of the language used in the writings of Scripture are symbolic in nature. The cherubim represent or symbolized the figured angelic beings who later on in history on the Ark of the Covenant, also the flaming sword was also symbolized as the presence of God Himself.
What you are doing is taking everything literally and trying to make joke of many of the words used. If you had a passion to learn about God, and care about His Word, you would not do what you do. You try to combine pagan traditions and connect them to Scripture, to show the Bible is wrong. It is correct. You just have to have faith. Agape
---Luke on 6/16/14|
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
Your disbelief is astounding Cliff.
Just another book, page, chapter, or verse ripped out of the "bible according to 1stcliff."
---micha9344 on 6/16/14|
I understand the "reason" for the blocked entry, but some creature with wings sticking out of his back or in place of arms, really? Did they really need a sword too?
In Roman mythology there's a three headed dog ,Cerberus, guarding the escape of prisoners from Hades!
What I find most unusual is that when there's only two people on earth that already a weapon of war ,a sword, is created before any type of violence is even thought of!
No mention of a sword pre-flood, Issac told Esau he would "live by the sword"!
---1st_cliff on 6/15/14|
1st Cliff, Ezekiel saw the cherubims and gives a description of them in Ezekiel 10.
The flaming sword was to keep anyone from entering into the garden of Eden and eating from the tree of life and live forever. Adam and Eve no longer had access to the tree of life because of their disobedience and would now die a natural death. The flaming sword could possibly have been some sort of laser beam that would zap anyone who was tryng to get to the tree. God who had created the world could surely have created a laser beam.
The way thru the gates to the tree of life in Rev. 22:14 is once again accessible to those who keep His commandments.
---barb on 6/15/14|
Cliff, there's nothing strange about 3:24 if you understand it in Bible context: Pre-fall, the Adams were warned & forbidden by God to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good & evil. (G2:17) But, they did so anyway! (G3:6-7) So, to keep them from doing irreparable damage "to themselves" by eating from the tree of life & ultimately living IN SIN forever (G3:22), God put them out of the Garden, where the tree was, to keep them away from it. God then placed angelic sentries at the entry points to further restrict their rentry back into the Garden until G3:15 (Jesus, the Savior & Redeemer of mankind) was fulfilled thousand of years later.
This wasn't an act of war Cliff. It was an act of love!
---Leon on 6/15/14|
Well first a "sword" is manifest while there's only 2 people on the earth (a weapon of war already?)
"Cherubim" are there, that's angels with wings? (Holman's bible dictionary) do they fly like birds?
People have seen angels but never Cherubim!
---1st_cliff on 6/14/14|
I'm thinking, just what is it that Cliff could possibly find "very strange" about G3:24? Please explain.
---Leon on 6/14/14|
What do you find strange about it?
We sing, "Now the flaming sword no longer bars the way to Paradise, for the Cross has marvelously extinguished it...."
We have direct access to the Savior, who is the Tree of Life.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/14/14|
Pretty simple, fallen man that lives forever in sin. There's no fun in that.
---Bryan on 6/14/14|