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Haz, a fetus is defined as an unborn offspring. My statement describes you, Jed and Elder perfectly. You three are not pro life, you're pro-fetus. You scream about abortions but after the child is born, you no longer care, claiming it's not your responsibility. If youlook at my posts, really read them, I have asked the same question over and over again. What are you doing for the child after its born. The answer has been resounding abdication of any responsibility. Guess what, yes, it is.

While there are times when abortion is necessary, it certainly should not be used for convenience. I ask you all again what are you doing to prevent abortions? Your non answers says a lot about you three.
---NurseRobert on 6/27/14

So NurseRoberts thinks that the U.S. government defines right and wrong? If it's legal it's moral, is that it? This is how you justify people going to prison for lesser crimes but mothers getting no punishment for killing their own baby? Because it's legal? You think it's right that a guy is forced to take responsibility for his child whether he wants to or not, but the girl can just have the baby killed if she doesn't want the responsibility? And a father who wants to keep and take care of his baby can have it ripped from him and killed at the mother's discretion. And you think this is right because it's the law? Who do you follow, God or man/Satan? You don't have to answer that question, you've already made it clear.
---Jed on 6/27/14

Nurse, let me get this straight. The real problem with society is the people who tell their kids to wait to have sex? Not the ones handing out condoms to 12 year olds? And couples who prefer to give birth and raise biological children are the reason unwanted babies NEED to be killed? I guess expecting a parent to take responsibility for an unplanned or unwanted baby is absurd to you? Unless of course you're the father, then you must take responsibility. But mothers are free to just kill their own baby if they dont want it? And the real people respinsible for abortion are conservatives who want to defund planned parenthood? Not the people who actually vote for abortion or the people who promote promiscuity?
---Jed on 6/27/14

Nurse, You think abortion is the fault of those who have not adopted.

Abortion kills an innocent person that can't fight back. Why not murder the mother or father if you are going to murder someone?

That'll slow it down.

Morality is the problem. People can "hide" their sin at a slaughter hole with a knife, vacuum or murder pill. You're for that huh? People like you defend it!

So blame those who havent adopted and not those who breed for fun and then throw the results in a trashcan.

Bring godly morality back to this country and God is big enough to care for us all.

You think because man has passed a law that makes sin legal. Well, you aint been judged yet!
---Elder on 6/27/14

Luke thanks for your sharing.You made some very valid points. God put the self preservation code within us and also normally people protect their offspring or family to me that says be prepared to do it. In our town many years ago a local man was having his store broken into and robbed since no one could catch the thieves he put a live electric wire all around his window where the man broke in all time. The man tried one more time and was electrocuted,they charged the owner with manslaughter and he went to prison. We still have to use wisdom on the things we do,even to protect ourselves. Seems we can be right and methods wrong at the same time time in Texas. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/27/14

Elder, that was a question, not a statement. I guess your answer is none. People go to jail quicker because animal abuse is a crime, abortion isn't. Don't like it? Change the law. How is it that the states with "abstinence only" have the highest rates or teen pregnancy?

You and Jed believe that if we banned all abortions everything would be light and rainbows. Let me ask: If you could stop all abortions in this country what would you do to ensure the unwanted children are cared for?
---NurseRobert on 6/27/14

"Since all aborted babies go straight to heaven but most grown up people don't, isn't it in the long run better to be aborted than to reach adulthood?"
---love.jesus on 6/25/14

Great point Love. I see all murdered/aborted babies as martyrs. I certainly don't believe God wants them killed, but I do believe God indeed turns evil for His good pleasure. Yes, the unwanted, murdered babies immediately return, from their short assignments on earth, back to God in heaven ~ mission complete. But, for the ungodly people who chose to murder them & won't repent of their sins before they die, HELL awaits their accursed souls. Fact is all unrepentant murderers commit suicide by not trusting, believing & obeying God!
---Leon on 6/27/14

You and Jed appear more pro-fetus than pro-life.---NurseRob

It's clear that you support the Left's heartlessness as here you describe an unborn baby as a "foetus" which we all know the Left conveniently defines as not having human right to life anyway. Add to that your earlier claim about the NEED for abortion and we see why your so defensive of the Left you support all the way.

BTW Crikey you quote is another Leftist propaganda outlet, as is the majority of media in Australia. Whilst there are right wing media they are a distinct minority. Hence why the Left controls debate/thought.

Your red herring arguments are failing your defence of the heartless Left.
---Haz27 on 6/27/14

"How many unwanted children have YOU adopted?"

How does the above, unsupported, statement has decrease abortion? How would anyone know?

"Adopt to stop" sure... a typical liberal response to a major problem.

People go to jail quicker if they abuse or leave a dog in a car on a hot day.

With all the "Education and learning" already forced on people how come there are still 6000+ abortions a day?

"forced sterilizations of disabled"

My experience has shown that any medical procedures need to be authorized by the legal guardian of the individual involved.

lovejesus, direct your question to your mother.
---Elder on 6/27/14

NurseRoberts, that is a bogus argument and you know it. You are seriously trying to put a woman who prefers birthing her own children to adpting children on the same level as a woman who willingly has her own unwanted baby killed? Now you try to equate wantimg people to get jobs and get off welfare with supporting abortion? Only a very sick minded pervert could even think of trying to excuse abortion with those arguments. May God have mercy on your soul.
---Jed on 6/27/14

Haz, stop making excuses for your lack of action. The only one being defensive here is you. You would rather sit on your couch and bemoan the fact the "leftist" media controls your country. What about your right wing media? Crikey Bias-o-meter lists multiple right wing papers, and what about all your right wing radio programs?

Since you either cannot or willnot answer my questions, I have to assume you would rather just complain than act.

Tell me, if you could, right now, stop all abortions in your country, what would you do to support all the children.

You and Jed appear more pro-fetus than pro-life.
---NurseRobert on 6/27/14

So Luke, are you advocating LYING or Jesting about LYING?

You may want to reacquaint yourself with scripture. Look up the word "Conversation".
There is HOLY "Conversation", and the "conversation of FOOLS".

The point was, no one is interested in one's "opinion", when clearly God has expressed His Will on the subject. And scripture is also clear on the words of those who want to flatter. You certainly did not post here for the purpose of advocating thumbing your nose in God's face, especially after scripture was posted. Real "brothers' tell the truth, even if it hurts. There is clearly nothing here to agree or disagree with EXCEPT the Word of God.
---kathr4453 on 6/27/14

Sorry, Jed...your wrong again, you need to study history.

The point is the right wingers, because of their policies and failure to look at cause and effect, are just as culpable as the left for the abortion issues in this country. You can argue all you want, but it's the way it is.
---NurseRobert on 6/26/14

NurseRob. The Leftist dominated media control debate and thought. No doubt that is just what you want. Hence why you're so defensive of any criticisms of the Left's heartlessness and their efforts to hide it.

Anyone who dares challenge PC ideals such as abortion, same-gender marriage, etc, are very quickly abused and silenced by the Leftist dominated mainstream media. Is it any wonder that the tyranny of PC extremism reigns with the Left in control.

Your issue with sterilizations of disabled is a non-issue for the Leftists here. Why you would claim its an issue when even parents, guardians are taking their disabled overseas for sterilization to bypass hurdles here? Are you saying the disabled must endure their distress?
---Haz27 on 6/27/14

Dear Darline,
I found no fault in what you said concerning the story you mentioned. I have heard the same story told by many who lived in Texas. That if you kill someone outside your house they can charge you with murder, even if you are trying to protect your family. That it is better to pull the person inside then call the cops. This is told in states that allow you to shoot someone inside your home but not outside your house. I also believe protecting your family against someone is more important.
I find nothing wrong with your statement. I have heard the same thing many times. I guess it depends on the law in the State you live in. We say a lot of things but doing is another matter. Agape
---Luke on 6/27/14

Jed: You are right on! The progressive socialists have ever tried to "help" evolution along by ethnic cleansing (as did Hitler). Oh what human misery Darwin has wrought! This is the legacy of non-biblical thinking.

---jerry6593 on 6/27/14

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Historically, it has always been the hard left progressives that support forced sterilization of the handicapped, and much worse crimes against humanity. Progressives have always supported population control for the undesirables. Forced sterilization is the plan of the progressive left, not of conservatives. It goes hand in hand with abortion and death panels. Eliminate the unwanted "burdens" on society. Bringing it up didn't help NurseRoberts' case any. It only drove home just how sick the left really is. And how the leftist media will do anything to avoid discussing these important issues and making their own party look bad.
---Jed on 6/26/14

Haz, You blame the media, but it took me less than a minute to find out about forced sterilizations in Australia. How is the media stopping you from dealing with the issues that lead to abortions?

Jed. No one is saying you support forced sterilization, but you cant deny it happened in this country and, indeed, is still happening. I also noted you didnt answer the questions either.

And yes, I do advocate abstinence, but Im also realistic enough to know that abstinence only education does not work. States with the highest teenage pregnancy rates are those with abstinence only laws. And yes, at times abortions are needed.

Leon, thank you for the advice, but Jed and Haz dont bother me.
---NurseRobert on 6/26/14

Matthew 24:43 "But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up." What would the goodman do, sit on the porch on a rocking chair and chit-chat with the thief? Gee, that reminded me that I have to get a couple of guns and a rifle. When I did my tour of duty in the Marines, they taught me how to use an M16, a 45, a rocket launcher and a machine gun. They also taught me something that Paul also taught, " If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."
---Nana on 6/26/14

Ephesians 5:4
Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, AKA JOKING, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

I know you said he said it was all in jest....and yes, the unsaved are free to do just that. I believe in a higher law..and if this applies to us, it should be a wise thing for all.

So I respectfully disagree Darlene1.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/14

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NurseRob. Your attempt to justify your support for the heartless Left with those poor examples suggests your desperate.

Most Australians know nothing of sterilisation of disabled as the LEFTIST dominated media (your mates) who control debate/thought don't see it as an issue. And that one positive example of good from sterilisation is actually common. Many parents, guardians, etc, have been even taking their disabled overseas to get sterilisation done to avoid hurdles in Australia.

But when conservatives hold pro-life rallies it rarely rates leftist media attention. It's very difficult to get decent fair public debate in Australia as the leftist dominated media won't allow any if it challenges abortion, etc.
---Haz27 on 6/26/14

Jed, my question is both valid and serious. Think about it and give a response. Thanks and God bless.
---love.jesus on 6/26/14

Kathr bless your heart I respect your concern for others but I can't believe you said that and I saw it,you would actually limit what a person could say because they are a policeman. That is not American we have Freedom of Speech and that applies to everyone. We are to use wisdom of course but we can't be afraid some twisted person would believe and copy it. That is how freedoms are lost by beginning with something small and censoring that and then it grows to cover all aspects of life. Besides since when must we check our speech around family and friends,thats the one place we should be able to speak freely. I respectfully disagree. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/26/14

Darlene1, I wasn't looking for the evil in anyone. Some things should never be joked about. Just because all laughed it off as a joke, there are those who hear such things and actually believe it.

No "POLICEMAN" should ever joke about such things.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/14

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I don't know anyone who support forced sterilization of disabled people. I certainly don't. And I don't know any conservatives who do. So trying to put that on us is the same as lying. However, if a disabled person wants the procedure, that is a different story. They have the right to do so if they choose.
---Jed on 6/26/14

NurseRob. For you a decent conversation is whatever the Left dictates is a PC topic. Hence your opposition when others divert from this agenda.

We see this in Australia. Our conservative government is limited in how far it is willing to change laws as the leftist dominated mainstream media control debate and thought.

Even our military is PC. Military personnel are forbidden to march in pro-life rallies as it's political. BUT they can march in mardi gras that are political. Clearly same gender deviants are considered superior.

And our conservative government is reluctant to deal with this PC discrimination as the Left with its mainstream media control are too powerful to confront on too many issues.
Decent debate??
---Haz27 on 6/26/14

Kathr 4453 you must have overlooked the part in my post that said I took it as a joke, which it was. The man was what we call Shirt tail kinfolks in Texas and a friend,we were at a family get together. He didn't mean it,it was his way of saying I'm going to help take care of you. I wasn't dumb even though I was young,I knew it wasn't what he would really do. Please don't look for evil in peoples lifes where it doesn't exist.I admit sadly there are that kind of policemen in some places but not in this case. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/26/14

Leon you are always so kind to me and say the nicest things,thank you. Of course you're welcome. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/26/14

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Nurse, Darlene & Love: Please don't get drawn into the snake pit like I allowed myself to be. It's their unchristian nature to hiss & bite. There's no reasoning with vipers. We believers should know that from observing Eve's folly in the Bible. So, let's put on the whole armor of God & resist the devil, & he'll flee from us, & rest assured Jesus has bruised the head of the serpent & defeated him. Let's resist the devil's baiting questions & comments, by not engaging him in any more unfruitful/pointless arguments. Let's post God's truth in love regardless of the ungodly, adversarial rantings (hissings) of the children of Confusion. God bless!
---Leon on 6/26/14

Haz, once again you are skirting the questions. If the right is so compassionate, why aren't they doing something to decrease the need for abortions? Again, what are YOU doing about it?

You know nothing about the forced sterilization programs and laws in your country?? That's a shame. It too me all of 5 seconds to look it up. And your example of a single case where the mom (not the government mind you, the mom (guardian, caretaker, in this country the health care proxy) makes a decision for her daughter is a red herring.

In the end, the right wing, with their polices of not supporting and fighting for the need to NOT have an abortion, is just as culpable for the abortion issue as the left.
---NruseRobert on 6/26/14

unwanted pregnancy...need for abortion--NurseRobert.

NurseRob, I see you still defend the Left in-spite of its heartlessness. Here you speak of the "NEED FOR abortion" due to "unwanted pregnancy". It seems like you support the Left's shallow reasoning for abortion/murder.

As for forced sterilizations of disabled, like most here I knew nothing about it as the media says nothing.
You seem to know about it though. Perhaps you disagree with this mum who supports it because of her disabled daughter's "fear of blood and her inconsolability when she is menstruating. Its quite distressing". But you seem to think it's wrong and should be stopped regardless of the disabled woman's distress.
---Haz27 on 6/26/14

Darlene1, in reading your post here, I do find it disturbing a policeman would tell you to go around the law, re break the law, and the law would then cover up the truth. If they tell you to do this, how many times have police played God and rearranged evidence in order to get the outcome they want? I don't doubt that a policeman told you that. And I also don't doubt fathers accidentally killing their drunk teenage children trying to sneak back in at night, or accidentally crawling back in the window of the neighbors house that looks identical to their own. That has happened more than once.

Not too long ago we had a young policeman shoot to kill a 96 year old woman in her own doorway, just for standing in her doorway with a gun.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/14

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Since all aborted babies go straight to heaven but most grown up people don't, isn't it in the long run better to be aborted than to reach adulthood?

---love.jesus on 6/25/14

Is that supposed to be a joke? It's not funny.
---Jed on 6/25/14

Haz, you answered in exactly the way I knew you would. You refuse to answer questions and immediately started personal attacks.

Couple of questions.. Where and which leftist master did I praise? Give me a name.

How is it you never mention the 75,000-100,000 performed in Australia every year? Let's talk heartless politicians: why do you support those who allow for forced sterilizations of disabled persons?

Since you either cannot or will not answer the question, I have to assume you are the typical conservative who sits around drinking Fosters in your wife beater complaining about liberals while doing nothing.

Now, you want to have a decent conversation or want to continue throwing insults at each other?
---NurseRobert on 6/25/14

"How many unwanted children have YOU adopted?"

So not adopting a kid is the same as jabbing scissors into a babies skull?

"Do you support affordable birth control,"

Do you mean FREE birth control? Birth control pills are as low as $9 for a months supply. Condoms are less than 25 cents each. In addition, every county health department in America offers free condoms to anyone who comes in.

"both of which have proven to decrease the incident of unwanted pregnancy"

Abstinence is proven to decrease unwanted pregnancy by 100%. Why don't you advocate that?

"and the need for abortion?"

Abortion is never needed. Just responsibility.
---Jed on 6/25/14

Since all aborted babies go straight to heaven but most grown up people don't, isn't it in the long run better to be aborted than to reach adulthood?
---love.jesus on 6/25/14

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Hi NurseRobert. I was wondering if you would show up to praise your leftist masters.

Your support for the Left's endorsement for the murder/abortion of nearly 3000 babies PER DAY in USA is concerning.

Neither side of politics has a perfect record, but clearly the Left are the most heartless and abusive. Hence when the Left deceitfully speak of gun laws to wishfully save lives, their record of heartlessness only proves them to be hypocrites and liars.

In Australia the Left always make self praising claims of how compassionate they are. Yet they continuously show how heartless they are. Their deceitful propaganda only proves they're the biggest liars around.

NurseRobert, why support the most heartless politicians?
---Haz27 on 6/25/14

Hi Darlene! As always, you're a breath of fresh air. :) I wholeheartedly agree with you about having a willingness & conviction to personally defend ones home & the lives of love ones as the law allows. God bless & thx for your, as usual, constructive input.
---Leon on 6/25/14

For Haz and Jed How many unwanted children have YOU adopted? Do you support complete education or affordable birth control, both of which have proven to decrease the incident of unwanted pregnancy and the need for abortion? What have you done to break the cycle of poverty, or to support the needs of the family so they can keep these children? What have you done to decrease the need for abortions. The policies of the right are just as culpable for abortions in this country as the left.
---NurseRobert on 6/25/14

Leon, no one here is posting the childish insults that you are. We only attack your leftist views, while you hurl insults and result to name calling. No one else here is being so childish as to tell other people they are not Christians. Pull the log out of your own eye, brother.

On the part of being against abortion: Why do you vote for and support abortionists on this site? Do you think you will not be held accountable for all the murdered babies just because YOU didn't have an abortion yourself? Even though you vote to keep abortion legal, vote to fund abortion? You only fool yourself.
---Jed on 6/25/14

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Haz: Who is this royal "we" you speak of? :D YOU certainly could us some behavior modification yourself instead of this Leftist ranting & abuse you've been throwing at me. Examine yourself & repent & you just may find I'm not really all that bad of a fella afterall. But, as it stands I certainly won't knuckle under to your foolishness. Don't get it twisted & think I want you or anybody else to like me. That's not why I'm on CN. :)
---Leon on 6/25/14

\\But why then do you continue to support the Left who are always at the forefront pushing for easier abortion/murder\\

Neither "the Left" nor "the Right" are monolithic homogeneous entities.

ALL of us are liberal in some ways and conservative in others.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/25/14

Leon,Hi Brother,I want to share something that was told to me when I was a young mother. Someone had tried to break in my home one night when my husband was in the hospital and I was terrified. I was telling a friend who was a policeman and he told me don't wait to shoot when they get in,shoot them before they get through the window and we will pull them in when we get there. I took it as a joke but where my children are concerned and small then,I wouldn't have hesitated to shoot them since any threat to my babies was a a big mistake,I would fight to defend them like any wild animal has the sense to do. Sometimes we can't rely on police or anyone else to take care of us,we have to be prepared to do it ourselves. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/25/14

Hello,Cluny,All.respect I did not know she's orthodox hope right,anyway it doesn't matter she is a child of God,no one deserve to be treated so,cruel..a woman who was pregnant,horrible treatment. let us keep praying for her & husband 2 babies safe USA.
Thanks for the info.Bro.Cluny,God bless you and everyone here.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 6/25/14

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I DON'T SUPPORT ABORTION since it's clearly the murder of unborn children.--Leon

That's good to hear, Leon.
But why then do you continue to support the Left who are always at the forefront pushing for easier abortion/murder?

Leon, the opposition you face is due to your support for the Left and also because of your abusiveness.
If you're honest you'd realize that you're one of the most abusive on CN. But we're a forgiving lot here so if you can reign in that abuse then we'd welcome the new you.
---Haz27 on 6/25/14

Gee, such blatant hostility coming from people who claim to be born again believers in Jesus Christ (Jn. 3:1-21)! I think, at best, you guys are very religious, but are just Christians in name only.

I'm really not surprised you'd take a swipe at me Cluny. Your hatred has been festering for a long time. If you're honest with yourself, you can smell it too. Putrid, huh? By the way, please tell me, just what do I mean about being born again?

Haz (from down under): How is it our American gun problem is any of your business in Australia mate?

Okaaay! NO, I DON'T SUPPORT ABORTION since it's clearly the murder of unborn children. I'VE BEEN BORN AGAIN SINCE 1974.

I anticipate your attacks will continue. :)
---Leon on 6/24/14

NurseRobert: correct, past events cannot be proven by the scientific method. Therefore everyones belief about it is faith based and upon the available evidence (the same evidence for everyone), interpreted via the individuals 'world -view.'

Mark 1:32 is relevant because it shows the human events of the Bible are portrayed from the viewpoint of those on earth. We see the sun going down over the horizon because that is what it does from our standpoint. The same for sunrise, wind, rain, and birds flying overhead, and of course the appearance to man that the sun stood still.

The Bible is literature and readers of literature take it as written unless there is good reason not to do so. I take Scripture as Truth.
---Warwick on 6/24/14

Leon, we did answer your question about what should be done about guns. Answer is, nothing, as that is not where the problem lies.

And in answering your blog question we exposed the great hypocrisy of the Left who always push for useless policies against guns, whilst they remain silent about their own abhorrent endorsement for the abortion/murder of up to 3000 babies PER DAY.

BTW I am born again. Are you?

Have you reconsidered your support for the heartless Left, and your abusiveness?
---Haz27 on 6/24/14

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Leon, Even though we asked you first, I will gladly answer your question. Yes I am.

Now, please answer the question that was asked of you, and also this question: Are YOU a born again Christian?
---Jed on 6/24/14

Leon, there's a great deal of difference between what YOU mean by "born again Christian" and what the Bible actually says.

For one thing, it doesn't use this formula at all.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/14

"I'll answer the question if each of you will 1st answer mine. I don't think so, but ARE YOU A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN?"

Leon aka MarkV, I will take the liberty to answer your childish spue...

No! None of us are Born Again Christians according to your standard!!
---Elder on 6/24/14

Jed: I now see how the Spanish Inquisition & Salem Witch Hunt started with dangerous, hyper-rationalizing minds like yours, Haz, etc. You guys have really escaped from reality & vigorously believe your imaginations & mob-mentality fantasies.

My blog was about "guns". You dudes hijacked it with your rants about "abortion". That wasn't my blog issue! Why didn't you just start a abortion blog & leave mine alone? Was that too much like the Christian thing to do?

You say I didn't answer Haz's question. I didn't hear a question! What I heard were accusations.

Tell you what. I'll answer the question if each of you will 1st answer mine. I don't think so, but ARE YOU A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN?
---Leon on 6/24/14

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Elena, did you know that Meriam Ibrahim is Orthodox?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/14

From the How Old is the Sun blog:


You either believe in a literal interpretation of the bible or you don't. Mark 1:32 has nothing to do with the sun standing still which, according to you only appeared too. Then Bible states the sun stood still, not appeared to stand still.

To answer your question, no, I can't because "no past event can be verified by the scientific method."

Either the Bible is literally correct or it's not. Which is it?
---NurseRobert on 6/24/14

Leon, Haz27 has asked you multiple times if you support abortion, and has given you several opportunities to clarify if you do not, yet you have refused to make that clarification. So, by virtue of your open support of abortionists politicians on these blogs, we can only assume that you do support it, since you refuse to say that you don't. If you don't support this murderous act and crime against humanity, then please make that known now. Otherwise, quit crying when someone accuses you of supporting abortion when you openly support murderous, abortion loving politicians, and you refuse to remove yourself from that bunch.
---Jed on 6/23/14

Leon. I said the Left endorses abortion/murder of up to 3000 babies PER DAY in USA. They're always at the forefront pushing for easier abortion.

When you vote for the Left then you support their policies by voting for them. Did you think you could just wash your hands of supporting such abhorrent policies and look the other way, pretending it's not there?

I suggest you repent of your support for the Left and rethink your position.
---Haz27 on 6/23/14

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Attn:All CNT Good News! The Sister
Meriam Ibrahim in prison for marry Christian husband IS NOW today as of 9 hours,she is going home.I got the news today online.She is a free woman,they say her children are traumatized.Thank God for answer prayers daily,nite I prayed cry'n out to the Lord.Thank you Father God for letting her go with her husband and family.God bless her,bless the millions or more who kept on.praying,fighting in the name of the Lord. I am so happy!
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 6/23/14

Hazy: You accused me of endorsing abortion/murder & who knows what else. Yet, you don't even know me, but you seem to think it is perfectly appropriate to label & falsely accuse me with heinous acts against humanity. Are you crazy?! :) At the minimum you're a hypocrite. What I do on CN is stand my ground against self-righteous people like you in hopes you'll see the error of your way & truly repent, & stop playing church.
---Leon on 6/23/14

Finally an agreement of sorts! :)
---Leon on 6/23/14

your own tongue wags at me, i.e., liberal, leftist, ENDORSES abhorrent policies... abortion/murder.---Leon.

Leon, do you honestly think these words are abusive name calling?

Liberal/Leftist, is the correct label used even by liberal/leftists.

Endorses abhorrent policies......abortion/murder?
Are you suggesting the abortion of 3000 babies PER DAY is somehow not "abhorrent murder?

Leon, I suggest you acknowledge that you're one of the most abusive bloggers here and try to tame your tongue.

If the Left in USA are anything like the Left here then I suggest that may be where you learned your abusiveness from. Perhaps it's time to consider ending your loyalty to the Left and it's ideals and behavior.
---Haz27 on 6/23/14

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So Leon, what you're saying is that what we need is more strict enforcement of the laws we already have, and NOT more gun laws? Okay, I can agree with that. Actually, if we lessened the gun laws a little, and enforced them more strictly, that would be better.
---Jed on 6/23/14

Yes, Leon, you are right about my beliefs. I DO believe we as individuals have to take our protection into our own hands when we are being attacked and are split seconds away from being raped or murdered and there are no cops around. Only a fool would rely on government for protection. It is impossible for Police to prevent violent crimes because they would have to be at the scene at the exact time that the crime is taking place, which is impossible. If the government could prevent murder, then there would be no murders. The fact that murders and other violent crimes happen is proof of our need to take our protection into our own hands. Use some logic.
---Jed on 6/23/14

FYI....wake up call. Guns are illegal in Mexico.
---KarenD on 6/23/14

Jed: Our major difference is you think you have the right to publicly take the law into your own hands for protection. I believe we, as U.S. citizens, have the Constitutionally guaranteed right to be publicly protected by government (federal, state & local) in a civilized society, & the only way to do that is ZERO TOLERANCE against crime.

Under a ZERO TOLERANCE policy towards law breakers, crime in the U.S. would drop significantly. That shouldn't have any impact upon law abiding people LIKE YOU :) who may be law enforcement, private security & investigators, bodyguards, hunters/sportsmen, gun range hobbyist, professional competitive shooters & are armed against invasion in the privacy of our homes.
---Leon on 6/23/14

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Haz: Add another to your list, i.e., "hazy" as in you are hazy (fuzzy, confused)! :) If you also hold yourself up to the magnifying glass of James 3, please review your own tongue wags at me, i.e., liberal, leftist, ENDORSES abhorrent policies... abortion/murder. REALLY ~ YOU THINK?!

"...leftists as demon possessed may very well have some merit. Certainly not everyone in the group is possessed though...the same can also be said of...right-wingers...."
---Leon on 6/17/14

Haz: Please don't spin my words to dishonestly make your narrow-minded, right-winged view point. There, I've done it again, so add that to your list & show it to God along with your slanderous comments about me. :)
---Leon on 6/23/14

ZERO TOLERANCE Jed: We need to let the criminals, who are caught with guns, know we aren't playing with them any more. No more first offense leniency for possession or he/she's a minor without any prior criminal record. They need to, from the jump, do hard time (e.g., 10-20) as a lesson & deterrent for others inclined to break the law. Persons who are under psychiatric care, or are otherwise mentally ill, for publicly expressing a willingness to harm others & themselves, should be in a federal database & reported to law enforcement, & not allowed to purchase weapons of any kind. Should they get guns by other means, they should be restrained & evaluated in mental institutions where they can't hurt the general public.
---Leon on 6/23/14

Leon, you referred to James 3 about the "tongue is a fire", but you misunderstand the main point in James 3 about teaching from scripture.

But regardless, lets list again what YOUR tongue gets up to here on CN.
Cackling clucks...
Mental midget fool.
Control freak who has delusions.
You're boring.
Grate" minds stinking alike.
Zealous neo-nutsie.
Self-righteous fanatic.
Right-wing facist
junkyard dog that doesn't know when to let go! Heel!!!

The only half reasonable thing you said was "the problem is a severe lack of legislative & judiciary willingness to swiftly mete out ZERO TOLERANCE punishment to the fullest extent of laws we already have".
---Haz27 on 6/23/14

Jed: Tell that foolishness to the families, friends & communities of school shooting victims, etc. There likely wouldn't be a violent crime problem were it not possible for criminals to gain access to & wantonly use guns, etc., against law abiding, innocent people.

---Leon on 6/22/14

Again, that comment is based on the lie that gun control makes victims safer when it actually does the exact opposite. Criminals will always have access to guns because they don't obey the law. All those victims would have been saved had there been a gun there to protect them. So all those victims can actually blame liberals like you for taking away right to self defense. And for making them targets for criminals.
---Jed on 6/23/14

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Leon, I understand most of these crazies who go on killing sprees have no intention to survive it. So why would you think zero tolerance penalties will stop them?

Part of the problem is the mainstream media itself. They promote these tragedies which gives crazies the media fame they crave. Many crazies are copy-cat killers urged on by the fame the media gives to such people.

I recall years ago the Dutch mainstream media considering their own culpability over the copy cat killing of children that resulted from their news obsession over the killing of other children the week previous.

Sadly the media never learns from this as selling news is more important.
---Haz27 on 6/23/14

Jed: Tell that foolishness to the families, friends & communities of school shooting victims, etc. There likely wouldn't be a violent crime problem were it not possible for criminals to gain access to & wantonly use guns, etc., against law abiding, innocent people.
---Leon on 6/22/14

leftists as demon possessed may very well have some merit---Leon

Leon, you admit the Left's guilt, yet you still support them?!
Whatever the Left tells you is important, you believe.

For you, the liberals endorsement for 3000 babies PER DAY aborted/murdered is ok. Like the priest and Levite who crossed the road to avoid helping the bashed man (Luke 10), you avoid confronting the evil perpetrated by the liberals you support.

And after you cross the road to ignore the liberal's baby killings, you follow their latest deceitful mantra that a so called "gun problem" needs another of the Left's renowned wrecking ball policies.

Feigned concern for public safety is typical of the deceitful Left.
---Haz27 on 6/23/14

perhaps there would eventually be a turn around in the gun problem that currently plagues our nation today.
---Leon on 6/22/14

There is no gun problem. That's a false premise. There is a violent crime problem. The only "gun problem" is gun control laws that promote murder and violent crimes. The real "gun problem" is the gun-free zones that turn innocent civilians into targets of violent crime by rendering them defenseless. The facts are clear, more gun carriers = less violent crimes. Gun-free zones = high murder rates. That's a proven fact.

BTW, laws preventing felons from owning guns ARE enforced. All of your arguments are senseless because they are all based on false claims.
---Jed on 6/22/14

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Sure Cluny & thanks for asking. :) What I mean by "criteria" are the enumerable laws (federal, states & local) we already have that supplement the U.S. Constitution. If these laws, as pertain to felony crimes relating the use of firearms, etc., were vigorously enforced, i.e., ZERO TOLERANCE, then perhaps there would eventually be a turn around in the gun problem that currently plagues our nation today.

In 21st century America we need to seriously come to like-minded agreement what does "a well regulated militia..." really mean. Does it mean everyone, i.e., the emotionally immature & irresponsible ~ sane & crazy alike, have the RIGHT to bear arms?
---Leon on 6/22/14

The 2nd Amendment doesn't say crazy people with guns are necessary to the security of a free State. ---Leon on 6/22/14

Such an explanation is not necessary since "The right to keep & bear arms shall not be infringed" prevents restriction of any kind.

Supreme Court ruled...---Leon on 6/22/14

You mean the same U.S. Supreme Court that said slavery is constitutional? And that said it is constitutional to round up innocent citizens and throw them into concentrations camps during WWII, for no other reason than being Japanese? That same Supreme Court? The Constitution is law, not Supreme Court rulings, which are often wrong and have more times then not been overturned.
---Jed on 6/22/14

\\So, federal, states & local governments should enforce the law by keeping guns away from people not fitting the criteria:\\

What criteria exactly did you have in mind, Leon?

Can you be more specific, please? I'm trying to understand you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/22/14

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