Rita, I never said God didn't use both. I just said there was a difference in a teacher and preacher. Yes, God uses people who are neither. As a matter of fact I like to hear teachers and preachers.
---shira4368 on 11/8/14|
Shira if you choose to believe that there is a difference between a teacher and a preacher (when both are speaking God's Word with the hope of saving souls) then feel free to continue thinking that. For me, having looked up what you asked and watched one meeting, I say that both are teachers and preachers but one remains himself as he does God's work and the other takes on a different persona for half an hour. If souls are saved at both meetings Glory to God. Many are saved under the messages given by Charles Stanley and, no doubt under the messages given by the other one I watched. God can use different styles.
---Rita_H on 11/7/14|
Rita, there is a lot of difference in a teacher and a preacher. Charles Stanley is a teacher. Joe Arthur is a preacher. Look him up on the Internet. Look up Greer campmeetings on the net. You will hear some real preaching.
---shira4368 on 11/7/14|
God bless you, Sis.Shira, this week, I have had 3people ask for food one a young man with aids, he homeless, too/ two elderly just fall on the stairs & beg me, they know me fr here in the area, old men both are veterans they have no food,homeless, I give them out of the little I had but, it brought tears to my eyes..If I was a big shot minister too, I be too, glad to help the needy, poor, esp., the vets!!
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 11/6/14|
If I had Joel osteens money, I would help as many people as I could (who really need it). He could live the high life on much less money that he has, but the fact is he gets more and more and more money everyday. He's not the only one, there are many just like him.
---shira4368 on 11/6/14|
Hello,Shira4368, you are right on!! It not the best, but I got to say when my
mother got killed,I look to him give me some type of kind word,solace to calm my mind.No,I wrote to him, like he said he looked so, concern ..but, it true he is a businessman pure and simple.God help those who are being deceived.Those monies they send, better to the local homeless shelter or Lions club get eye glasses for broke homeless adults,kids.
---Elena_9555 on 11/5/14|
Rita, you are correct about Joel osteen. He is business and successful in what he does otherwise he wouldn't own a home worth millions. When people send him money, they are helping him pay for it.. As far as a preacher, he is not a preacher. He is a soft spoken sissy sounding man who is fake as a $6.00 bill.
---shira4368 on 11/5/14|
Some preachers are so passionate about the message they wish to put across to listeners that they will raise their voices but there has been no need to scream or shout since the invention of the microphone. Some of these preachers are bullies with their own agenda and their kind of passion is very different from the passion of the old time preachers who had to shout to be heard.
God is not impressed by shouting and no-one will ever be saved through someone shouting who can already be heard through the speakers provided at meetings.
Charles Stanley never screams or shouts but his passion for God's Word is obvious at all times.
---Rita_H on 11/5/14|
//What is wrong with loud preaching?//
I don't know what you mean by "preaching in the Spirit" but sometimes preachers will yell, scream, repeatingly to get there point across. Their thinking is that yelling will move a person to change but sometimes comes across as condimenation but encouragement. There needs to be both.
---Scott1 on 11/4/14|
Sin, I appreciate your comments about Billy Graham. I feel that he was/still is far more effective than the loud, screaming evangelists we see on T.V. these days. I think his secret was in encouraging newly saved people to seek a good church, a mentor and Christian companionship early in their new life in Christ. This keeps them on the straight and narrow and gives encouragement.
Loud evangelists and the prosperity gospel movements just seem to create greedy monsters.
Joel Osteen, i.m.o., fits in neither camp and is just a clever business man. I DON'T think that he has a true personal faith in God though.
---Rita_H on 11/4/14|
J.O. is a universalist is as B.G is. J.O. also follows pelagianism. I.e. In short, Adam was a bad example. Jesus was a good example. Follow jesus and no divine intervention needed.
---aka on 11/4/14|
Billy Graham also gave a palletable Gospel. He did not step on many toes and he avoid controversial issues. Thus, he was effective. The meat is in reading the Bible and studying it, which Billy Graham encouraged all people to begin doing. In that, people will either arrive to Christian maturity or immaturity. However, I do not think there is a preacher today who preaches the way Jesus had.
---sin on 11/3/14|
joel Osteen is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
---helen4633 on 11/2/14
Anybody that merchandises Christ falls into the category.
2Pe_2:3 through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Then, the similar, familar hirelings>
Joh_10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
Joh_10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
Recognize sheep beaters/eaters. What pastors won't discuss sheep, or sheep things.
---Trav on 11/3/14|
Joel Osteen is a wolf in sheep's clothing. A motivational speaker, not a preacher of the Gospel. Run fast away from him.
---helen4633 on 11/2/14|
Someone who spits and shakes his fist can be used to make a soft preacher look good.
How does a preacher look in comparison with how Jesus ministered and preached? Jesus included correction and judging right from wrong, including how to love and not be hypocritical.
Ones suffer emotionally because we are not dealing with our sin problems. And we are not all-loving (Matthew 5:46, Luke 9:23-24), and therefore we are weak enough to keep on suffering deeply. So, we do not only need encouragement.
And we need the balance of all the Bible talks about, not only how God is able to take care of us, but also all which is required. How much does Joel talk about all that is required, including how it is to become like Jesus?
---com7fy8 on 9/15/14|
Hi, Cluny (c: About if Paul could be "beside himself, 'crazy' about God" and "'might' have seemed strange to people who did not understand", you wrote > "And St. Paul acted this way in the worship of the Church and while preaching, right?"
While he was in worship, possibly he was feeling and acting "crazy" about the LORD, appreciating and enjoying Him, being "one spirit with Him." (in 1 Corinthians 6:17). And he could calm down to preach, then get into such worship, and then preach some more . . . multi-tasking (c:
It could be "like" how parents go crazy when their baby is born, but then calm down to take care of the baby (c:
---com7fy8 on 9/11/14|
\\So, I can see there were times when Paul was beside himself, "crazy" about God. and he "might" have seemed strange to people who did not understand.\\
And St. Paul acted this way in the worship of the Church and while preaching, right?
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/9/14|
"For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God, or if we are of sound mind, it is for you." (2 Corinthians 5:13)
So, I can see there were times when Paul was beside himself, "crazy" about God. and he "might" have seemed strange to people who did not understand.
If you have been abused by loud-speaking people, then a preacher speaking loudly can seem abusive. But no one seems to have a problem with how fans can act in a football game when their team is winning :)
But Paul's speaking until midnight was maybe more soft so that one guy fell . . . down a long way, in his sleep > Acts 20:7-12 >
"So . . . make sure you have a safe seat if you like soft preaching." :)
---com7fy8 on 9/9/14|
What is wrong with loud preaching? I a preacher gets caught up in the Spirit, he may preach louder. I live in the south and I love a spirit filled church. I attend one. Once my grandson when he was three yrs old, he wrote the preacher a ticket for using his outside voice inside. His dad was a policeman at the time. My pastor says he filed it away with all the notes kids write him. I had rather hear a preacher preach in the spirit than to stand in the pulpit like a zombie.
---shira4368 on 9/9/14|
Geraldine, Trusting in Joel and Victoria Osteen is, indeed, being on the wrong track. Victoria herself preaches and teaches people that we should live to please ourselves and make ourselves "happy", we're not to do it "for GOD". And, nobody really smiles all the time. It's not realistic. In Heaven, yes. Did Yahushua smile all the time while in the Garden of Gethsemane and while on the Cross?
---Gordon on 9/7/14|
True Darline. Preaching with gentleness, respect & Bible accuracy (above all else) is what's essential to winning & then discipling souls. No one can catch fish by violently hitting the water with a stick. Likewise, preachers can't effectively deliver soul winning messages by beating people over the head with the Bible.
---Leon on 9/7/14|
I have never been a Preacher person nor have I ever been one to go gaga over a Movie Star. I frankly don't see much difference in the two. People give them more specialness for what they do than is due. It's never how the preacher preaches loud or low,its if He always brings sermons which line up with the Bible,Gods Word. When a person screams and carries on they have lost the attention of those they are trying to reach,I am saying this based on children and how to deal with them if unruly. Yelling at them gets nothing from them nor gives anything to them. When you gently touch a child on the shoulder and speak softly you can teach them more and guide them better than all the yelling in the world. Preaching calmly is the same.God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 9/7/14|
\\Cluny, I NEVER liked such loud stuff, but people came to hear it, and preachers kept doing it, so I thought something was wrong with ME.
---Geraldine on 9/3/14\\
While I've never seen this in Orthodox Churches, I know it happens in some denominational ones. I've seen it.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/5/14|
Cluny, I NEVER liked such loud stuff, but people came to hear it, and preachers kept doing it, so I thought something was wrong with ME.
---Geraldine on 9/3/14|
\\I used to think Joel Osteen's sermons were lacking because he did not yell or shake his fist or spit at his audience.\\
Where did you get the notion that such histrionics were essential to giving a good sermon, Geraldine?
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/3/14|
Thanks for the clarification Geraldine. Our pastor is gentle and kind and considerate yet speaks the truth, all his sermons being scriptural. A good preacher should be able to show emphasis on different points when speaking without resorting to making the congregation almost jump out of their skin.
We should all be more Christlike with each other.
---Rita_H on 9/3/14|
It is good to hear preachers who show a little emotion when they give their message but yelling and screaming just switch many minds off what they say, in my opinion.
---andreea on 9/3/14|
Rita I have never liked to hear sermons where the preacher was yelling and shaking his fist. I think they should use a tone and attitude that Jesus would in speaking to a congregation - soft, loving, caring, not hot, loud, threatening.
---Geraldine on 9/2/14|
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There is nothing of substance in what he says to call his words 'a sermon'. Yes he lacks a lot. He is more like a motivational speaker and is not a preacher. However I found him a refreshing change (for a short period in my life) when I had a very aggressive and offensive pastor but I would not watch him these days.
It would seem that you used to like those who yell or shake a fist or spit at the audience, or maybe I've misunderstood something you said.
---Rita_H on 9/2/14|
Eat the meat & spit out the bones Geraldine. :) For me personally, he hasn't got anything on the menu that's palatable.
---Leon on 9/2/14|