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What do you think about your denominational "churches" using facial recognition software to monitor "church" attendance and events?

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By saying "but will not be yoked with you", you just effectively accused me of being an unbelievedr.
Moses permitted divorce and remarriage but Jesus forbade it.
---StrongAxe on 2/28/21

2Co 6:14 .....what communion hath light with darkness?

Your posted stand with, promotion of and defense of things that are abominations in NT and old, show that you are self deceived. You talk light but, testify dark.
Remarriage was why Christ came and died. Israel has a New Covenant Heb 8:8.
Christ didn't change anything OT except the understanding of it.
Mat 7:13 ....wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction,....

You can walk the wide way in the dark... and are.
---Trav on 3/1/21

2 Peter 1:20 prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Timothy 3:16 - ..... profitable For doctrine, For reproof , For correction ....
---RichardC on 2/27/21

Richard, enjoyed your past posts.
You always bring your witnesses.... which confirm. Rather than propaganda/opinions which are worthless.

Mat 18:16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Psalms 105:10confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

2Sa 7:24For thou hast confirmed to thyself thy people Israel to be a people unto thee for ever: and thou, LORD, art become their God.
---Trav on 2/28/21


By saying "but will not be yoked with you", you just effectively accused me of being an unbeliever. Whatever gave you that idea? Have I ever said I don't believe in Jesus? What have I ever said that contradicted what Jesus taught? Be specific.

Yes, Jesus did not come to destroy the Law, but he did frequently turn many of them on their heads, i.e. "You heard it said that... but *I* say unto you...". Moses taught eye for eye but Jesus taught forgiveness. Moses permitted divorce and remarriage but Jesus forbade it. Based on your comments it seems like you prefer Moses' "eye for eye" approach than Jesus' forgiveness approach. Why stick to the old covenant when we have a better new one?
---StrongAxe on 2/28/21

2 Peter 1:20 - Knowing this first, That no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

2 Peter 1:21 - For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: But holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable For doctrine, For reproof , For correction , For instruction in righteousness .
---RichardC on 2/27/21

Why cite OT instead of Jesus?

Matthew 5:43-44:.... Love your enemies,
bless them that curse you,
do good to them that hate you,
pray for them which despitefully use you, persecute you,
---StrongAxe on 2/20/21

For completion.....instead of a denom doc sandwich with no meat in middle.
Mat 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

I care, pray about enemies.... but will not yoked with you. Bless you for making good opportunity's to post truth.
2Co 6:14-17 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
---Trav on 2/21/21


Why cite OT instead of Jesus?

Matthew 5:43-44:
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you,

Luke 6:27-29:
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other, and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

If you love neighbors and enemies, who is left to hate?
---StrongAxe on 2/20/21

Why? Where did Jesus say to hate those who are different.
Haters are not going to heaven.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/20/21

Sammy you are the good guy that makes manly men despise going to Church. You never have read your Bible enough to understand the doctrines you are posting.
By your lack of research you are stating King David will not be represented by GOD. Youve thrown away or dismissed knowledge and wisdom that was lived and laid in scripture prior to your life arrival. Just a nibble below.

Psa 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
Psa 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
---Trav on 2/20/21

So we are to hate sinners and do our best to persecute them?

Why? Where did Jesus say to hate those who are different?

They are not our enemies. I am so tired of people using the Bible to spread hate instead of love.

Thous shalt love thy neighbor no matter who they are. Haters are not going to heaven.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/20/21

We hear stories about bakers refusing to bake cakes for same-sex marriages,), .....
---StrongAxe on 1/26/21

Again you judge the Christian baker who refuses to partake in an abomination, but defend a idiot for president who promotes abortion murder of the unborn.
Hypocrite wears your hat as well.
No answer is the same as confirmation on closet questions to you.
Having said all that I care enough about both you guys to tell you the truth, if I provoke by scripture posting, it is what it is.
I was provoked... to prove my provoker wrong... I asked, looked, and sought and his scripture witnessing scripture won.
Gal 4:16Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
---Trav on 1/28/21


What I was asking was why do Christians get upset about things Jesus never even mentioned, while at the same time ignoring things he actually DID talk about? This is hypocrisy - it is putting one's own prejudices above the Word of God. But sure. Deflect and make it about me.

We hear stories about bakers refusing to bake cakes for same-sex marriages, but never about them refusing to bake cakes for re-married divorcees (that Jesus condemned), or Hindus or other religions (idolatry is condemned repeatedly in both testaments). Why is that? Can you explain it?

What do you mean "I don't even know ten commandments without looking"? Explain.
---StrongAxe on 1/26/21

Jesus mentioned divorce but not LGBTQ. Why do Christians' heads explode over LGBTQ....
Trump's broke all 10C and everything Jesus taught..
---StrongAxe on 1/22/21

You are on a blog, where only two others know you.... why in all these years didnt you just tell us you are GBTQ. We deduced for years anyway by what you dont say, and what you defend.
You dont even know ten commandments without looking, and accuse without any proof provided. For a wannabe intellectual your attacks/judgements/opinions are easily dissected. By parroting the leftist media you dilute and nullify your propaganda.
Pro 6:2 Thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth.

---Trav on 1/26/21


Steveng constantly expresses contempt for 'denominational "churches"' (which he always describes that way, with "churches" in quotes, as if the term isn't deserved). He thinks his own independent unaccountable flavor of Christianity is somehow more pure and superior.

But yes, there actually is technology like this. A simple Google search reveals "Churchix" - a biometric attendance system. Using such methods only for statistic gathering should be fine, and could even be useful to see if some parishioners might be in distress (e.g. if they attend regularly and then suddenly don't), but it could turn into Big Brother if the church judges for not being there, and that becomes a huge problem.
---StrongAxe on 1/24/21

What a strange question!
---JS1234 on 1/24/21

It is a brave new world. I will be more concerned when churches have you bear number markings on your hands or forehead.
---mike4879 on 1/26/17

I have never heard of that if it's true but that would be crazy. Even in this day and time. That's going a little too far. the church is a sanctuary for any and all types of people. and looking at some of the Comments here I had to laugh at the conspiracy Theory propaganda.
---Lee on 5/19/16

Yes faithforfaith, I believe as you. Esp in the Black Churches.
They even have the nerve to have Kathleen Sebelius speaking in their Churches. A big NO NO!
Plus, Eric Holder as well.

Many Churches Blacks and Whites had made deals with the Government.

That's why they are after the RCC so much. They can't control us from the top.

Sadly many Catholics have been influenced from among the laity.
The laity being Kathleen Sebelius, Joe Biden, Nancy Polesi(sp?) Ted Kennedy and many more I am ASHAMED of to mention.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/27/15

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I don't think it is the CHURCH ORGANIZATIONS who are doing the "facial recognition".

The federal government and the law agencies of the government have been conspiring for years to get the religion organizations and the 'religious public' to become cooperative puppet-citizens (non-thinkers).

The IRS tax code has a clause that promises tax breaks to the religious institutions that cooperate (501-c LOOK IT UP ON WIKIPEDIA).
---faithforfaith on 6/27/15


I was not referring to genuine concern (which is, after all, a shepherd's legitimate business), but rather with legalistic churches where attendance is considered mandatory (without a good reason), and not being in church is judged, as if the person isn't being "faithful enough". There are churches that are similarly legalistic about tithing. Jesus came to break our yokes, but such churches are thoughtful enough to replace them.
---StrongAxe on 6/27/15

Strongaxe "If you're doing it to say "Why weren't you at church last Sunday??", you might as well be wielding a whip." I have never heard our pastor ask why someone was not in church. He might say, when he sees them the following week, "It's good to see you, how are you?" If we wish to share personal information we do so but we never feel that we must.
---Rita_H on 6/26/15

Strongaxe 6/24/15 I agree 100%. I was quoting something found on the internet.

I am fortunate in attending a church small enough for the pastor to know each of us personally and be able to notice just who is there and who is not. If he had not been notified of an illness or other reason for absence checks would be made in case help were needed.

The only modern technology required is a telephone and then, if needed, we'd be visited personally.
---Rita_H on 6/26/15

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Seeing a person's absence from church could be "too late". I would think a successful ministry would know how someone is doing before the person does not show for church.

I have been in settings where a leader knows, before group starts, why anyone won't be there.

I know that certain churches assign an elder to every person who comes into the church. And the person "stalks" each assigned person, to make sure how the person is doing. This can be good.

But I think it is best how God has us adopt people, and we keep in touch and help them and support them, not only during church . . . not only while they go to our church.
---Bill on 6/25/15

For facial recognition software to work, you need to have a database of faces to search through. Only by using the photographs of church members could such a database be constructed. If the church produced a church directory with photos, then such a database could be constructed.

My guess is that the software is used to count unique faces and produce a database of attendees, not to scan through an already assembled database to determine who this person is.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/25/15

Wonderful idea...I can prove I wasn't there.
---Rod4Him on 6/24/15

I might think it is silly, and I would be listening to hear why it was being done. Maybe I would learn something.

But I would hope a pastor would be like Jesus who knows His sheep. Or have people who assist the pastor, who know how each person is doing . . . keeping track of not only members but ones who might be visiting in order to investigate.

If facial recording was for the wrong reason, it might help people to know they belong elsewhere.

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

Ones can be about control and not personal caring and sharing.
---Bill on 6/24/15

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Keeping tabs on one's flock can be a two-edged sword. If you're keeping an eye on them to make sure they are all right, this is a good thing - it's what a good shepherd should do.

If you're doing it to say "Why weren't you at church last Sunday??", you might as well be wielding a whip.

If you do it to hit people up for money, that's even worse.
---StrongAxe on 6/24/15

I have just found this via Google. "there are 30 churches around the world using his Churchix technology. He (Moshe Greenshpan) launched the service just four months ago and says churches are already using it to scan congregants earthly visages to keep track of attendance at events in order to know who wasnt there so they can check up on them, or who attends most frequently so they can ask those people for donations." Wow.
---Rita_H on 6/24/15

You can see the bias in the blog question by the use of the word "denominational". How should the fact that a church is part of a denomination, or not, play any part in the legitimacy of using camera technology?
---StrongAxe on 6/24/15

If someone needs to use such technology to monitor church attendance they have probably already 'lost' these people in the real sense of the word lost.

Unless they think someone might become separated (and needs to be found) what would be the purpose of this? It sounds somewhat like

God desires willing followers not conscripts.
---Rita_H on 6/24/15

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I agree. There are people who will leave Catholic Churches alone. They break our statues until we people up cameras.

So, it isn't to monitor attendance and events, but monitoring wrong action
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/24/15

ABSURD! Sounds like a target marketing ploy. In my opinion, such tactics shouldn't be used in the church.
---Leon on 6/24/15

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