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Why do christians stop only at water baptism, never going further to receive the Holy Spirit to perform miracles greater than Jesus?

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Because I said I am a name brand and not a generic, Aservant sees that as being arrogant. That is probably the stupidest and lamest statement I've heard yet. To want to be addressed by my name, and not some condescending no name, he says is prideful. What will these Pharisees come up with next.

What is awesome is God has given me a NEW NAME (Rev) and even that is not "Sweetie".

Let's respect one another's wishes. If someone doesn't like being called sweetie, or Liar David, it is absolutely OK to ask that person to STOP, and just say NO. Just that simple. And if anyone tries to make you feel .....whatever..... For asking them to STOP, THEY HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM....
---kathr4453 on 12/11/16


No one needs to apologize for asking someone a question. That's where your reasoning Aservant becomes just as convoluted as another on line here. Actually that sounds like something that particular someone would say. Maybe you two have more in common then we know.

Asking someone if they wouldn't mind being disrespected as they have disrespected you does not need an apology for asking that.

And showing YOU how STUPID You are needs no apology either.

It's you who needs to apologize for starting a race riot all on your own. THat is something a FAKE Christian would do.
---kathr4453 on 12/11/16


Aservant, Nicole didn't scream racism when I asked her if she would mind if I called her that. And to be clear I NEVER CALLED HER THAT. But, if I said, "That absolutely drop dead gorgeous black woman from Alabama, with that stunning cobalt blue suit on" you would NOT have said that was RACIST. And that's what makes you a hypocrite. Adding nice adjectives still says black, of which somewhere is your SICK MIND, black is a dirty word to you, which makes You the RACEST here. But the truth is...YOU jumped in and said it was racist because you were angry that I disagreed with you on who receives the Holy Spirit.

And your self righteous self appointed judge and jury means nothing to me. GOD knows how the conversation went.
---kathr4453 on 12/10/16


So Aservant, all things are pure to those who are pure. So I guess your mind is not pure. However mine was in this instance and I STAND BY THAT as God is my witness.
---kathr4453 on 12/9/16


Well, NAME BRAND, you certainly think you are pure, and certainly think you are better. Your much speaking won't change who you are. You could have used a lot of adjectives regarding Nicole, but you used skin color, and you have not apologized - Mt 5:23, 24, 18:3-7. You are a RACIST!

Those chosen by God mimic God, obey God and promote God's values and ideals. You are not humble. You promote you. You are a hater, mimicking Satan. How can a hater love? God is Love.
---aservant on 12/10/16


---kathr4453 on 12/9/16

______woman from Alabama. Any word below put into the blank, would have not shown your racism.

uninintelligent irresponsible dull dumb foolish futile laughable ludicrous insane kooky mad nuts lunatic screwball bonkers delirious demented deranged

You promote yourself as a teacher with vast knowlege in many arenas - 1Tim 2:12, 1Cor 11:7-9, so it seems you could have used another word, but you chose Black, apparently to show that you are a BRAND NAME, and that Nicole is not = YOU ARE BETTER!

SPIRIT FILLED christians know we are not better, but we are blessed DESPITE OUR WRETCHEDNESS! Jesus is better.

Titus 2:3-5 How can a hater teach love?
---aservant on 12/10/16




//Ok Baby Cakes,//

Thanks, I like that address better than stupid, drunker, idiot, nurse killer and your other addresses.

//Have a happy holiday Baby Cakes..//

I like 'Merry Christmas' better.

Happy Holiday should be for President's day, Martin Luther's Day, Memorial Day, Veteran's Day, 4th of July, Columbus Day, Veteran's Day and Thanksgiving.

//and be sure from this point on I will NOT be calling you by your name,//

Baby Cakes is okay, just NOT OREO. Agree?

//SO now I will refer to you as a common condescending generic object.//

BUSINESS AS USUAL :D

//I will refer to Aservant from no on as Sugar Plum.---kathr4453

All because Aservant DARED to cross you?
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/10/16


Ok Baby Cakes, whatever. If that is what you WANT to believe, then go ahead. There is nothing I can do about that. And as I said over and over, Baby Cakes, I don't care if you are 75 % Jewish and 25 % anything. I've told you this and again, you simply want to twist words to say what you want them tt mean, because YOU are looking for something to make an issue of.

Have a happy holiday Baby Cakes.....and be sure from this point on I will NOT be calling you by your name, as Aservant pointed out....THAT IS PRIDE AND ARROGANCE BEYOND WORDS. SO now I will refer to you as a common condescending generic object.

And I will refer to Aservant from no on as Sugar Plum.
---kathr4453 on 12/10/16


So if Baby Cakes and Sugar Plum don't mind, I will not be reading or replying to any more of your posts. There are more interesting and more important issues here on line to be discussing. This certainly is not one of them.

I also know Sugar Plum wasn't offended until I disagreed with him on a biblical issue. That is always suspect to me, when someone THEN decides to join another for a classless back alley brawl.

You can stop SCREAMING NOW BABY CAKES.
---kathr4453 on 12/10/16


Don't twist Aservant's words.

It's HOW you use the words not that you used the words.

//Being black is not demeaning.//

I like the word better.

Jesse Jackson is the one who came up with African American.

He self appointed himself as our leader. As you can see he was knocked of his self-made throne.

African American is for those who recently came from Africa.

//Why more than WHITE?//

OKAY

//Or Yed, or Yellow?//

NO!

You might NOT KNOW, but you do not call Asian people Yellow or Native Americans Red.

DON'T USE THOSE WORDS!

//I am totally confused.---kathr4453 on 12/9/16

That's why I am here to HELP :D
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/10/16


//the Black Woman from Alabama? AND IF I DID, YOU WOULD ACCUSE ME OF BEING RACIST?---kathr4453

BTW, people from India have mistaken me as being from India as well.

They have to ASK me what is my RACE because they CAN'T TELL by just looking at me.

Actually you had a PROBLEM with me having JEWISH BLOOD!

That was your RACIST statement.

It was okay that I have Spanish blood and African blood, but when I DARED to tell you that I also have Jewish DNA you went BANANAS!

Demanding HOW with PROOF.

Then because the DNA identified my Jewish blood as European you went DOUBLE BANANAS!

I don't know why? But you are UPSET because of the Jewish Blood MIXED with African Blood!

THAT'S RACIST!
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/9/16




You see Aservant, you said that I purposely used skin color to purposely demean......but you don't know that....you don't know that's what I meant. And to be clear I never used that to purposely demean. That's how YOU chose to read that, not applying 1Corinthians 13 to your own mind first before falsely accusing another.

Being black is not demeaning. So your saying in your own mind BLACK is demeaning? Why more than WHITE? Or Yed, or Yellow?

If using the term Black to describe someone who referred to herself as black.....I am totally confused.

So Aservant, all things are pure to those who are pure. So I guess your mind is not pure. However mine was in this instance and I STAND BY THAT as God is my witness.
---kathr4453 on 12/9/16


Aservant, I said, " HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF I ADDRESSED YOU AS " Black woman from Alabama." To read into that as some HORRIBLE racist comment couldn't be farther from the truth. Nicole said she was a black woman from Alabama. WHAT IF I were giving away $ 1000 to those who showed up at my book signing. And the ONLY identification on their person was what state they were from. And Nicole was the ONLY black woman from the state of AL. And low and behold, Nicole WINS. Ok, do I say...the Woman from Alabama ? NO! Because there are 15 women from AL there. So HOW do I differentiate Nicole from the other women from Alabama? Would I possibly say..the Black Woman from Alabama? AND IF I DID, YOU WOULD ACCUSE ME OF BEING RACIST?
---kathr4453 on 12/9/16


//Aservant please get a life. I have a NAME and my name is not sweets, sweetheart, baby cakes.//
She taps you with a ruler, you slug her with a bat. Not Christian to bring up skin color as though it is a negative. You are suppose to turn the other cheek.

//Nothing intended to be racist except in your dirty mind Aservant.//
Purposely using skin color trying to demean is INTENDED!

//And to try to stir up trouble by falsely accusing is the worse sin of all.//
You SAID IT, not false.---kathr4453
---aservant on 12/9/16


//I've never ADDRESSED you BY ANY OF THOSE NAMES.//

Stop denying it. Your nasty posts are STILL on CN

//how other older women feel//

And I like it when you called me Stupid, Drunker, Nurse Killer and having a mental issues?

How about you STOP calling NAMES and we will stop calling you SWEETHEART?

Because of your AGE is the reason I didn't return your stupid with stupid!

//YOU continued to address me that way AFTER I asked you to stop, and YOU did it//

YES, at least my negative terms wasn't as nasty as your terms.

//So now you want to JUSTIFY your actions?//

I did above

//I have ALWAYS addressed you as Nicole.---kathr4453 on 12/9/16

But mostly ending with NASTY NAMES.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/9/16


Nicole, I've never ADDRESSED you BY ANY OF THOSE NAMES.

And you can also look on line and see how other older women feel about strangers calling or addressing them as " sweety, Hun, etc. THEY do not like it and neither do I. So a servants opinion of MY FEELINGS is totally irrelevant here. It's also not a generic term, but a "term of endearment" reserved for those one holds dear like a spouse, grandchild, etc.
AND Nicole YOU continued to address me that way AFTER I asked you to stop, and YOU did it ...NOT as a TERM OF ENDEARMENT, but as a form of insult since your use of it escalated considerably AFTER being asked to stop. So now you want to JUSTIFY your actions?

I have ALWAYS addressed you as Nicole.
---kathr4453 on 12/9/16


//Aservant please get a life. I have a NAME and my name is not sweets, sweetheart, baby cakes.//

YET, you renamed me CRAZY, DRUNKER, STUPID, NURSE KILLER and etc. You are mad about someone calling you sweets?

//Nothing intended to be racist except in your dirty mind Aservant.//

I have been telling you that you are Racist and you don't even know it.

Maybe you will think about it?

//And to try to stir up trouble by falsely accusing is the worse sin of all.//

I GUESS NOT?

//Stay out of other people's business. Nicole and I will work it out, without YOU.//

No thanks, I don't mind.

//No one asked for YOUR OPINION.---kathr4453

On this matter, I would LOVE TO HEAR HIS OPINION.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/9/16


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Nicole_Lacey asked: "...WHAT miracle you considered to be greater than Jesus?"

Any miracle that will turn a nonbeliever into a believer. Words alone will not turn the heart of a nonabeliever - especially in today's world where words are cheap. If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shalll not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea, it shall be done. And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
---Steveng on 12/8/16


Aservant please get a life. I have a NAME and my name is not sweets, sweetheart, baby cakes or dumb a33.

It's just that simple, so please don't over think it. Nothing intended to be racist except in your dirty mind Aservant. And to try to stir up trouble by falsely accusing is the worse sin of all.

Stay out of other people's business. Nicole and I will work it out, without YOU. No one asked for YOUR OPINION. There is also a verse about being a BUSYBODY in other people's matters. So pull the oak tree out of your own eye before operating on mine.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/16


//Unless you were here to actually witness what miracles God performed through me, how would you or anyone know I was telling the truth or not.---Steveng on 12/7/16


Again we are NOT questioning you if the miracle happened, we are only asking WHAT miracle you considered to be greater than Jesus?

We believe you. Please just tell us WHAT is the miracle?

I believe in 7 Sacraments whether you believe in them or not.

If you asked What are the Sacraments, I could answer you without saying "Why should I tell you since you don't believe in them?".

Just as I can NAME the Sacraments without you believing in them, so just NAME the miracles.

---Nicole_Lacey on 12/8/16


Generics are also CHEAPER than the name brand. I am the NAME BRAND. ---kathr4453 on 12/7/16

Ps 14:3 . . . are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Rom 3:12

Is 64:6 . . . all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags,

This is God's opinion of humans. Your high opinion of yourself shows you think you are better, hence your hidden racism was brought into the light.

Nothing she said rose to your level of hatred, shown by making her skin color an issue.

Pro 8:13 . . . pride . . . do I hate.
Pro 26:26 His hatred is deceitfully hidden, but his wickedness will be revealed to the community.
---aservant on 12/8/16


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The greatest of miracles Steveng, would be, creating Angels, creating a universe and the world, with animals, humans, vegetation, dying and rising again and completely overpowering the one who had the power of death, creating a New Creation in Righteousness....and on and on......and someone actually thinks they can surpass that?

Nope.....no human can surpass that.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/16


Nicole_Lacey wrote: "Just name the miracles which surpassed Jesus' Miracles?"

Unless you were here to actually witness what miracles God performed through me, how would you or anyone know I was telling the truth or not. Cluny would write some snide remark whatever I post as he does with all my posts. I gave people ample opportunities to spend a day with me.
---Steveng on 12/7/16


Aservant states (sic) The Devils believe so they have the Holy Spirit.... ///

NUTS TO THAT?

God never promised angels or Devils salvation in the first place Aservant, so to equate what I said and poo poo it because Devils believe is as NUTS as something Nicole would say.

You cannot be saved Aservant and be void of the Holy Spirit. EVERY BELIEVER is given a DEPOSIT of his/ her inheritance which is also the indwelling Holy Spirit. If you are not BORN again of the Spirit, you simply are not saved.

And calling someone sweetly, honey, baby cakes, or pumpkin cakes, or whatever IS disrespectful if asked to STOP. Since no one has ever condescended to you in that manner then let those involved work it out.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/16


And aservant, to condescend to calling someone a GENERIC ANYTHING is in itself disrespectful. I might buy generic aspirin, BUT I'm not an aspirin. Im not something that reads.. compared to..using the name brand name. Generics are also CHEAPER than the name brand. I am the NAME BRAND. I'm not an object either, or something substituted for another. THEREFORE humans are not Generic. They are unique individuals . Oh how many Nicole's are there on CN? I don't need to beat you all into submission, I just need to beat you off of me with a club. And to think how much thought you put into that post, just to come out looking more stupid than before you posted it......Ohy!
---kathr4453 on 12/7/16


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"sweetheart" or "sweetly", please don't go off the rails . . . I start addressing you as "Black Woman from Alabama" . . . ---kathr4453 on 12/7/16

"sweetheart" or "sweetly" are generic names. "Black Woman from Alabama" is pretty racist, intended to be demeaning, exposing your lack of Christian love = you are a fake Christian - 1Jn 4:20-21.

God gave Marium leprosy in part for her racism.

God loves Black people and permitted them to serve His interests:

-> Obed-Edom hosted the Arc for 3 months, which was tantamount to hosting God (Father).

-> Simon of Cyrene helped Jesus carry the cross to Calvary.
---aservant on 12/7/16


Works, not miracles. Teaching . . . Preaching. Showing hypocrisy . . . Showing path to the Father. Washing feet. Dying to His self. Being crucified.

These are the works we should be doing.

Your focus on miracles blinds you to the true work of Jesus. ---Mark_Eaton on 11/22/16


1Jn 3:8 . . . For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that HE might destroy the works of the devil.

All the works of Jesus served to destroy all the works of Satan, expecially the miracles. The anointing of Peter and Paul raising the dead back to life served to overcome Satan's works of murder and destruction.

Victory in the Spiritual (miracles) is the more important work.
---aservant on 12/7/16


Steveng, since you took time to break from your real life to join us on CN, why didn't you answer Cluny's question?

Cluny wasn't denying the miracles you have done.

He was asking WHICH of the miracles you did were greater than Jesus?

We accept the fact you performed miracles in Jesus' Name.

Just name the miracles which surpassed Jesus' Miracles?

Or did you mean something else when you wrote 'miracles greater than Jesus'?
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/7/16


. . . Holy Spirit . . . is given to ALL who believe

The devils believe - Jas 2:19, so they have the Holy Spirit. Wrong!!

It's not some EXTRA THING God decides to give to this one and refuses that one

Not true. God gives His Holy Spirit ONLY to the called, elected, chosen, sanctified, and reserved. The UNcalled, UNelected, UNchosen, UNsanctified, and UNreserved are not given the Holy Spirit.

See Eph 1:13 (ERV)

Only those who believe in Christ are given the mark of the Holy Spirit, via Christ. In Rom 8:9, mark = Spirit of Christ.

---kathr4453 on 12/7/16
---aservant on 12/7/16


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Scripture teaches that AFTER WE BELIEVE we are sealed with the Holy Spirit, and baptized into His Death and resurrection and raised up a New Creature is given to ALL who believe, whether they are aware of that fact or not. It's not some EXTRA THING God decides to give to this one and refuse to give to that one, based on God's good humor or what mood He is in that moment.

Now it is up to us to obey and walk in the Spirit. But when I walk in the Spirit there is no guarantee I will play perfect piano, if I've never played a piano. That would be a MIRACLE.

And WORKS are not the same as MIRACLES. Steveng has like so many misquoted that scripture about greater WORKS, they mis word to say...GREATER MIRACLES.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/16


Why do christians stop only at water baptism, never going further to receive the Holy Spirit . . . ---Steveng on 11/20/16

This question supposes that those who publicly pledge to Jesus can choose to acquire the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is given ONLY by God, not acquired by choice.

One can request the Holy Spirit, but God decides.
---aservant on 12/6/16


Cluny wrote: "Notice that Steveng never answered my question about what greater-than-Jesus miracles he and his worldly denominational "church" have done."

I'm not on these blogs everyday like many people. I have a real life compared to this virtual reality life that you hang out.

The true church of God ARE the christians, not a building or denomination. The true church is not built with human hands. Love is not contained in any worldly denomination, but instead is spiritual.

As for my miracles, even if I revealed the miracles, you would still find a way to call me a liar or to prove it. Several times I offered for you, or someone you know in my area, to spend a day with me and see for yourself.
---Steveng on 12/5/16


They said the Jewish Blood isolated were MIXED with European blood.

//Yes Jews lived all over Europe Nicole.....but it's not separated by COUNTRY.//

???

Europe is a continent full of Countries.

//I know at this point it would be impossible for you to admit you lied//

Esp. since I didn't lie.

//Just because your 75% says African who also came to America, there is no such thing as BLACK ALABAMIAN on a DNA markers.--kathr4453

Africa is ALSO a continent full of Countries.

It's DNA Markers identified 33% Congo/Cameroon, 10% Segal, 10% Ivory Coast, the rest Nigeria and couple more to make up the 72%.

I can tell you specifically if you wish or are you ONLY interested in the Jewish Blood?
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/5/16


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The more you talk Nicole, the more open your lie becomes. There is one word used to separate your European blood from European Jewish Blood, and that one word is not Poland, Spain, Germany, Switzerland or any region named by a COUNTRY. Yes Jews lived all over Europe Nicole.....but it's not separated by COUNTRY.

You need to stop lying. I know at this point it would be impossible for you to admit you lied.....but it would be better you admit it than continue on with your TOTALLY IGNORANT OF THE SUBJECT, data, and making up things that DNA tests do not say. Just because your 75% says African who also came to America, there is no such thing as BLACK ALABAMIAN on a DNA markers.
---kathr4453 on 12/5/16


//yours actually DIDN'T isolate FROM , NOT WITH your European blood.//

Are you CLAIMING to be a DNA Scientist NOW?

Not only did it ISOLATE the Jewish Blood it TOLD me it came from Europe.

COUNTRIES: Poland, Ukraine and Spain.

Jews went ALL OVER Europe after their EXILE 1st in 930 (10 northern tribes) than 722BC (2 southern tribes)

GET OVER IT! MOVE ON!

//And when this ISOLATED GENE is isolated FROM your European blood ...probably Spanish, IT WOULD NOT be considered OBJECTIVE.//

?????

DNA is OBJECTIVE DATA.

//you really want us to believe you are a NURSE?---kathr4453

I DON'T CARE.

The Federal Government DOES and I am WORKING as a NURSE for them.

GET OVER IT!
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/5/16


And when this ISOLATED GENE is isolated FROM your European blood ...probably Spanish, IT WOULD NOT be considered OBJECTIVE.
---kathr4453 on 12/5/16

CORRECTION OF typo..." It WOULD BE considered Objective.


THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS, Nicole....in other words, your LACK of detailed DNA proving Jewish European blood in your results shows you are lying or is to you SUBJECTIVE.

Also there is a gene only carried through your mother for testing for Jewish Lineage. THAT also shows up on your DNA test.

Did you send yours off to MAD Magazine?

Also Nicole, most people get three tests and compare the results before shooting off their mouth that they are ABSOLUTELY THIS OR THAT.
---kathr4453 on 12/5/16


Now you are UPSET because my cheap $99 DNA test was SO GOOD it Isolated the Jewish blood mixed with European blood?

No Maybe, DNA is OBJECTIVE
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/16

NO Nicole, yours actually DIDN'T isolate FROM , NOT WITH your European blood. There is a specific word used for that which ISOLATES your Jewish blood FROM....not WITH your European blood.

And when this ISOLATED GENE is isolated FROM your European blood ...probably Spanish, IT WOULD NOT be considered OBJECTIVE.


And you really want us to believe you are a NURSE? I say more now than ever YOU LIE. Or God help us all if anyone who cannot even grasp basic understanding OR TELL THE TRUTH is caring for you or your loved one.
---kathr4453 on 12/5/16


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And Nicole, unless you're attracted to me, or are just ignorant, AND disrespectful after being asked not to address me as "sweetheart" or "sweetly", please don't go off the rails and regress into a Roots Character again as an excuse for your ignorance or disrespect. Unless you don't mind if I start addressing you as " Black Woman from Alabama" let's use each other's names here.

Secondly, Christians did not celebrate Jesus Birth or death in the 1st Century. BUT no doubt you have some obscure writings from the RCC stating they did. But then again, aren't there writings Jesus married Mary Mag? Are we to believe this too, just because someone wrote it?
---kathr4453 on 12/5/16


//Just as Christmas was not celebrated immediately after Jesus Birth or death,---kathr4453 on 11/30/16

Christians started celebrating Jesus' Birth in the 1st century.

They secured the exact spot where He was born. They placed an altar over it and placed a baby doll on the altar with a cross and halo above.

They celebrated so much that a Roman Leader build a temple over the site to stop them.

It didn't the Christians made mini ones for their homes.

325 AD is when Constantine allowed access to Jesus' birth site.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/16


Sweetheart, why do you get MAD whenever I defend myself?

I believe Jerry when he said he is a Physicist.

Only you two have a problem with me being a Nurse.

You claim I WASN'T a Nurse, killed my patients, stole their medication and Rob would sue me if I was his Nurse.

Which would be impossible if I am NOT a nurse? You both need to make up your minds.

Either I am a Nurse or NOT.

My defense to your comments are NASTY???

//Why are you attacking Rob?//

When you THROW MUD you shouldn't be SHOCKED when it is returned.

Jerry DOESN'T have any mud on his face.

//not YOUR mental issues...You might just be nothing more than a HACK.---kathr4453

NOW THAT'S BEING A CHRISTIAN! :D
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/16


//If she paid attention she would know what was my Medical Field and after 41 years of working I'm now retired.//

PAY ATTENTION ROB, no one KNOWS what you DID in the Medical Field!

Where you a Medical Doctor? Nurse? Lab Tech? CNA? Physical or Occupational Therapist? Pharmacist? Pharmacist Tech?

NARROW IT DOWN MAN!

Rob, since you are retired, please refrain from making medical comments.

As you SHOULD know medical technology and our methods of operating as such are ALWAYS changing.

Nursing is COMPLETELY different today from when I started in 1994.

//I would file a suite for malpractice.---Rob

You do know you have to have a CASE? Otherwise you would be WASTING your money and the Court's time.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/16


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Kathr, ignore Nicole and her ignorance.

If she paid attention she would know what was my Medical Field and after 41 years of working I'm now retired.

I'm so glad I don't have a nurse like Nicole caring for me. If I did, I would file a suite for malpractice.
---Rob on 12/3/16


Steveng, many stop at water baptism, and have never received the Holy Spirit, as we see Paul stumbled upon those in Acts 10. But the Baptism with Fire or the one Paul spoke to those men about, says nothing about being able to do miracles greater than God.
YES, Jesus AKA GOD! raised Lazarus from the dead, ......are you suggesting we do this too? I've often wondered why those who do believe they can do greater miracles than God like Benny Hinn, aren't known for going into Hopsitals and having everyone rise from their beds and walk out, along with those in the morgue rise from the dead and walk out too.

OR it's possibly that WORKS are not the same as MIRACLES. GReater WORKS yes, greater MIRACLES....NO.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/16


Nicole, not every person in the medical field is a NURSE. Therefore your nasty bar hag comments are unnecessary. The more you talk and post, the more people get a really good look at how nasty you are to others here online. Why are you attacking Rob?

This is suppose to be a Christian site discussing Biblical issues, not YOUR mental issues. I am beginning to wonder if the reason you are REALLY on here is to disrupt Biblical issues. You might just be nothing more than a HACK.
---kathr4453 on 12/3/16


//I don't see anywhere Rob said he was a NURSE.//

I know, right?

Even you couldn't tell me what Rob exactly does after you claim he posted it several times on CN.

I asked you, but only heard crickets from you after you realized you didn't even know what he does for a living.

//OH HOW NICOLE LOVES TO TWIST THINGS TO SQUIRM OUT OF ANSWERING A DIRECT QUESTION.--kathr4453

Or Blessed to shame you both for accusing me of NOT being a Nurse?

I ONLY copy and paste Rob's post as I do with your own posts.

BTW, why are you so MAD?

I am the one accused of not being a Nurse.

Again. You DON'T know me, nor do I know you.

Maybe you should ignore my blogs like Karen.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/3/16


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I don't see anywhere Rob said he was a NURSE.

OH HOW NICOLE LOVES TO TWIST THINGS TO SQUIRM OUT OF ANSWERING A DIRECT QUESTION.
---kathr4453 on 12/3/16


//there is no way you would have been deemed confident and accepted as a Nurse in the Army Medical Corps.//

Yet at the VA Veterans from the Army Medical Corps WILL receive their MEDICAL CARE!

The Federal Government DEEMED me confident as a RN

//you would have to pass a National Exam which meets the CRITERIA of every State, Providence, and Common Wealth.//

???
Now I KNOW you are NOT a Nurse BECAUSE since 1994 the Nurse's State Broads EXAM has been Nationalized called NCLEX

NCLEX (National Council Licensure Examination) is a nationwide examination for the licensing of nurses in the United States and Canada since 1994--Wikipedia

//You would have known that if you were a Nurse.---Rob

BACK AT YA!
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/3/16


//I was in the Army Medical Corps, finishing school was not enough.//

What school?

In the Army Medical Corps there are different medical terms.

Are you now claiming you are a Nurse? LPN? RN?

Orthopedic Tech? Orthopedic MD?

//Every year we had to take and pass the National SQT. I really doubt you know what the SQT is because you have never taken it--Rob

Since I am not in the Army Medical Corps, I would't know about SQT,

I suspect we are taking similar testing at VA since it deals with military terms

As a Nurse at work we have TMS with about 50+ through out the year. All of these have test at the end.

Rob, just please state what you are doing now? What is your trade.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/2/16


Nicole, I don't know how things are done in Alabama, but from reading your posts, there is no way you would have been deemed confident and accepted as a Nurse in the Army Medical Corps.
Remember, you would have to pass a National Exam which meets the CRITERIA of every State, Providence, and Common Wealth. Not just Alabama.
---Rob on 12/2/16


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Nicole, when I was in the Army Medical Corps, finishing school was not enough.

Every year we had to take and pass the National SQT. I really doubt you know what the SQT is because you have never taken it.
---Rob on 12/2/16


//Which now makes me wonder more than ever if you really are a Nurse.---kathr4453

You do know my Nurse's licenses (2 states) are NOT REVOKED whenever 'Kathr' is suspicious of me?

These are the steps just in case you do not know how one becomes a nurse.

1. Finish Nursing School

2. PASS Nursing Broad and Pay for the State License you wish to work in.

3. Medical facility hires you.

4. Continue CEU's (Ongoing Education) and pay your State license every 2 years (some 4 years).

5. Don't commit a felony.

6. Go to work

7. DO YOUR WORK.

That's it. They DON'T CARE if you are Black, Jewish, White, or Hispanic.

I have all Genetic Markers but mostly Black.


---Nicole_Lacey on 12/2/16


Nicole, you actually sound like you are drunk. I am beginning to think because you have so much time on your hands, that you are NOT employed, but a mean drunk with nothing better to do than FABRICATE YOUR OWN interpretation of what you THINK someone said.....because you are DRUNK, or on CRACK.

You said YOU were going to drop the subject BUT you lied and still keep at your drunk posts. SOBER UP first, and maybe I will talk to you, but the Lord said we are not to associate with DRUNKERDS who claim to be Christian and then attack Christians.
---kathr4453 on 12/1/16


//telling me to mind my own business is "your" nasty side.//

Nicer than you calling the Jewish feast a FICTION, PAGAN, LIE, NO MIRACLE and on and on from you.

//What exactly is your problem,//

I DON'T LIKE BULLIES. That's my problem.

I told you to STOP BEING MEAN TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND THEIR FEAST!

//..not everyone agrees with you, even Jewish people?//

I pray they didn't see your NASTY comments about their beloved feast. But if they did: yes they would agree with me.

As you freely INSULTED the Jewish People I freely insulted you.

It ISN'T nice is it?

//Move on Nicole,---kathr4453

I will MOVE ON as SOON as you stop INSULTING the Jewish People.

DEAL?
---Nicole_lacey on 12/1/16


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Nicole telling me to mind my own business is "your" nasty side. What exactly is your problem, ...that not everyone agrees with you, even Jewish people? If I told you to mind your own business, we would all get read the riot act that this is a FREE country and we have freedom of speech, and YOU can post on any thread YOU want, even if it has nothing to do with the question, as YOU decided to do here.

Move on Nicole, you are starting to look more and more and more like that nasty bar hag you gave us a good visual of. Now every time YOU make nasty comments all I see is that sleazy bar hag with a nasty mouth.

Agree to disagree Nicole and stop making a federal case out of it.
---kathr4453 on 12/1/16


//I'm so glad you have decided to end the debate.//

Should have kept your mouth closed, but you had to show your nasty side again didn't you?

//But there are so many scholarly Rabbi's Nicole who will tell you the MIRACLE was FABRICATED.//

There are many Scholarly Jewish Rabbis who NOT in Christian's miracles.

But I ask since you are NOT a Scholar you wouldn't KNOW HOW TO MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS?

//like St Patrick running all the snakes out of Ireland is FABRICATED.---kathr4453

As usual a Protestant lie.

You all also came up with the Lucky Charms man. Cupid baby, easter bunny and you all replaced Jesus Christ with Santa Clause.

Any Holy Day Catholics celebrate you all replace them with junk
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/1/16


I'm so glad you have decided to end the debate. But there are so many scholarly Rabbi's Nicole who will tell you the MIRACLE was FABRICATED. Just like St Patrick running all the snakes out of Ireland is FABRICATED.

YOU love fabricated stories...I get it. But some of us have put away childish things Nicole.

You I see never will, so THANK YOU for ending this debate.
---kathr4453 on 12/1/16


//the majority of people don't even know WHAT Hannakah is about I the first place and just go with the flo.//

WHAT?
You called it a Pagan and a Fiction. You said the 8 day miracles NEVER happened.

If you are just going with the flo, can you stop using nasty hateful words?

Have you ever thought about a Jew so excited and waiting to celebrate Hanukkah reading your posts about their beloved feast?<

I pray they DON'T read any of your hurtful comments.

//Many don't KNOW that it is about a horrible bloody war where both Jews and Greeks died.--Kathr

NO IT ISN'T!

BELIEVE IT OR NOT. I going to end this debate with you Kathr!

I have to because you are using me to ATTACK THE JEWISH PEOPLE!
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/30/16


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Nicole, the majority of people don't even know WHAT Hannakah is about I the first place and just go with the flo. Many think it's the Jewish New Year, or a Holiday equivalent to our Christmas. Many don't KNOW that it is about a horrible bloody war where both Jews and Greeks died. Jews even killing their own. Many don't even KNOW that there is no mention of a MIRACLE of oil lasting 8 days in the Maccabees and when they go to look it up ARE UPSET AND CONFUSED. It was ADDED 600 years after the fact in the Talmud, Nicole.

Just as Christmas was not celebrated immediately after Jesus Birth or death, but sometime around 325ad because Constantine made it a holiday to coincide with the SECULAR PAGAN WINTER festivals.
---kathr4453 on 11/30/16


//secular sites do say Jesus celebrated Hanukkah, but that does not prove anything.---kathr4453

Secular people comment on Religious feast because they believe in the "I don't have a dog in that fight,"

Which means "I don't have a stake in the outcome.

But you do!

They ACCEPT everything the Jewish people claim Hanukkah represents and it's DETAILED miracle event.

BUT, You DENY the most CENTRAL COMPONENT of Hanukkah.

That's like saying the Angels called the shepherds to see a baby that was born in a barn.

NO!

The birth wasn't the main point.

The baby is GOD in the FLESH born to a woman was the REASON the ANGEL wanted the shepherds to join the celebration!
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/30/16


Yes Nicole, secular sites do say Jesus celebrated Hanukkah, but that does not prove anything. Jesus was celebrating what was always celebrated ...which even the Macabbeans celebrated 2 month after because of the war, and that was the DEDICATION, not RE dedication. The RE dedication was to the original dedication of 2 Chronicles.

Just pretend for a moment Christmas was totally violated and forbidden to celebrate. THEN we fought to liberate our faith and RE dedicated Christmas. Would the day of Christmas change to the day it was rededicated, and also change the meaning, or would it stay the same as the ORIGINAL.
---kathr4453 on 11/29/16


//I SAID when Jesus walked the earth, there was no Hanukah celebration.//

Now you KNOW MORE than John?

John 10:22-23 Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was WINTER, and Jesus was in the temple courts WALKING in Solomons Colonnade

****Johns Gospel reports Jesus REGULARLY traveling to Jerusalem for Jewish festivals, affirming his Jewish IDENTITY and continuity with his heritage. Although this Gospel focuses on MAJOR biblical festivals such as Passover (Pesach) and Tabernacles (Sukkot), it also reports that Jesus came to Jerusalem for the Festival of Dedication HANUKKAHH--Craig S Keener Huffington Post

Even a SECULAR Website acknowledged Jesus CELEBRATED HANUKKAH.

It ISN'T your Religion.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/29/16


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Nicole, your not understanding what I post is wearing me out. What you posted I NEVER SAID. So please STOP twisting what I said. I SAID when Jesus walked the earth, there was no Hanukah celebration. That would be 165 plus years after the event. And that the feast of dedication spoken in John was the feast that goes back to when Solomon's temple was dedicated...I showed you from 2 Chronicles.

I'm done here Nicole.....figure it out yourself...believe what you want...I don't care. You never want to learn anything from anyone....you just want to argue and act like you KNOW IT ALL. YOu don't Nicole.
---kathr4453 on 11/28/16


Kathr, stop making up stuff.
That's like a Mulism combining Jesus' Birthdate and His Resurrection into ONE Event.

2 Chronicles 7:9 is about the 1st dedication occurring in 827BC. by King Solomon

Hanukkah Event happened in 165 BC and about the RE-Dedication by Judas Maccabees of the Temple and the 8 days spread miracle of the candle which is WHY it is called the Festival of LIGHTS!

Jesus in John 10:22 celebrated Hanukkah because John states WINTER.

2 Chronicles 7:10 On the twenty-third day of the SEVENTH month

1 Maccabees 4:52 On the twenty-fifth of the NINTH month, Chislev, in the year 148 they rose at dawn

Jews NEVER celebrate Hanukkah in October! Neither did Jesus.

BTW, October isn't Winter.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/28/16


Nicole, I see you are copy and pasting your info from the Internet. Now to be clear Nicole, there is nothing in the Maccabees about any miracle of the oil lasting 8 days, thereby where the 8th candle was added, or a 9th to use to light the 8 candles. That is not stated at all, but added 600 years later in the Talmed. Ask any Jewish scholar and they will all tell you it was added to embellish ....which Peter, Paul James and John call FABLES. Yes there are hundreds of FABLES the Jewish people wrote. The fact that 2 Maccabees claim Jeremiah ( then dead) appeared in the sky and handed a sword to Judah Mc....is pure FICTION AND FABLE. This is WHY it is not considered pure and unadulterated TRUTH.
---kathr4453 on 11/28/16


The point is Nicole, Hanukkah is the celebration of victory over the Greeks, and the cleansing of the temple, at that time a 7 candlesticks were lit that LEGEND SAYS lasted 8 days. Do you know the EXACT DATE a special 9 stick holder was made? Was it before or after they lost their independence to Rome, and again the temple was defiled, as Jesus took a whip to those who defiled the Temple. Can you prove Jews celebrated Hunnahak at the time of Jesus while they were again in bondage to Roman Rule, and Herod, not even a Levite, but in Rome's back pocket controlled the Temple, and even played a part in the crucifixion of Jesus Christ?
---kathr4453 on 11/28/16


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Notice that Steveng never answered my question about what greater-than-Jesus miracles he and his worldly denominational "church" have done.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/28/16


2 Chronicles 7:9 And in the eighth day they made a solemn assembly: for they kept the dedication of the altar seven days, and the feast seven days.

John 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.


Nicole, it's also important to understand the feast of the dedication was established in 2 Chronicles 7:9, long long before the Maccabees dedication. John 10:22 is referring to the long tradition of 2 Chronicles. The Maccabees were only imitating 2 Chronicles 7:9 to give it some legitimacy. And John 10:22 say nothing about any Festival of Lights.
---kathr4453 on 11/28/16


//Adding an 8th candle commemorating a victory won and then lost again to Rome in 63BC,--kathr4453

No you are incorrect.

There is an extra candle making it 9, but for another reason they (Jews) claim for the numbering system.

***The festival is observed by the kindling of the lights of a unique candelabrum, the nine-branched menorah (also called a Chanukiah/Hanukiah), one additional light on each night of the holiday, progressing to eight on the final night. The typical menorah consists of eight branches with an additional visually distinct branch. The extra light, with which the others are lit, is called a shamash (Hebrew: , "attendant") and is given a distinct location, usually above or below the rest.--Wikipedia
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/28/16


Nicole, the Temple and all that was in the Temple sacrifices, candlesticks etc all pointed to Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection. Adding an 8th candle commemorating a victory won and then lost again to Rome in 63 BC, and still under Roman rule when Jesus walked the earth is why Judas turned on Jesus, believing HE would again give Israel her Independence. That did not happen. When Jesus comes again to reign and rule for 1000 years from Jerusalem (not the Vatican)....lets see then if JESUS adds an 8th candle. As ONLY HE under HIS AUTHORITY can do, representing HIS VICTORY over HIS enemies, including the Enemy of the RCC.
---kathr4453 on 11/28/16


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//John8:12 I am the light of the world..Jesus is the Light of the world, not 8 candles.---kathr4453

THANK YOU!

John 9 Jesus gives a man sight by CLEANING/PURIFING his body.

1 Maccabees 4 and 2 Maccabees 10 speaks of Judas (Savior of the Jewish people and temple) purifying the temple and LIGHTING it's candles.

John adds this info: John 10:21b-22
Can a devil OPEN the EYES of the blind? 'And it was at Jerusalem the FEAST OF THE DEDICATION, and it was WINTER.

Both Maccabees Passages states 'On the twenty-fifth of the ninth month, Chislev, which happened to on December 14th which places it in the WINTER as John wrote.

Why winter?

Because they PUT OUT THE LIGHT - JESUS from the temple! John 10:23-39
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/28/16


//Your reference to irrelevant texts--Haz27

They are Scriptures. Not texts.

Now if you believe they are not Scriptures, I understand. But I will next ask - Why not?

As I asked Kathr, I will ask you. I really don't think she will answer that question.

Do you believe in the Jewish Feast Days of Hanukkah (Feast of Lights/Dedication)?

The ONLY Christian Biblical recording of this event is the Catholic Bible. 1st and 2nd Maccabees.

Which I suspect you have the 66 book Bible.

Protestant's rule for the 66 book Bible includes that OT Scripture has to be mentioned in the NT.

Which it is John 10:22-39, but they couldn't allow it because of how powerful 2 Maccabees 12 supports praying for the dead.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/26/16


Haz: Titus 2:14 how we're purified.//

You didn't finish the verse.
14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to DO WHAT IS GOOD.

//Act's 15:9 we're purified by faith,//

No it speaks about the HOLY SPIRIT purifying us. V8

//1Pet 1:22//
Finish the sentence.

It focuses on ourselves purifying ourselves by OBEYING and directed towards others.

Christ's sacrifice did not fail to TOTALLY purify us.//

Yes, but are you saying you can't soil yourself AGAIN? Luke 11:24-26

//How do you think the thief on the cross..got to paradise the day he died?---Haz27

Because he DIDN'T sin anymore before his death.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/26/16


//..never going further to receive the Holy Spirit to perform miracles greater than Jesus?--Steveng

I don't about performing greater miracles, but helping to bring many people to God the Father through Jesus.

Any miracles would still be in the Name of Jesus.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/25/16


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What miracles are there that would be "greater than Jesus", Steven, please? Notice how you were able to write a thing like this, while you were expressing a belief like what you are expressing, here.

One thing I think of is how now our work in Christ is to minister for one another to be conformed to the image of Jesus (Romans 8:29). This is laboring for a miracle so greater than all the miracles combined, which Jesus did . . . I consider and offer.

And we have plenty of scriptures meant to help us with this, directly indicating that this is the objective . . . while not much of Paul's writing, for example, gives much attention to producing lesser miracles.

Philippians 2:13-16, Hebrews 12:4-11, 1 John 4:17
---Bill on 11/24/16


Have you performed greater miracles than Jesus, Stepheng? Please tell us all about them in detail.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/22/16


Why do christians stop only at water baptism...
---Steveng on 11/20/16

Who said we were going to perform miracles greater than Jesus?

Perhaps you should review this passage:

John 14:12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also, and greater works than these he will do, because I go to the Father"

Works, not miracles. Teaching the Apostles. Teaching the multitudes. Preaching. Showing the hypocrisy of religion. Showing the way to the Father. Washing the Apostles feet. Dying to His self. Being crucified.

These are the works we should be doing.

Your focus on miracles blinds you to the true work of Jesus.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/22/16


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