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Kathr. Whilst the electoral choices for Christians is poor, at least Trump is anti-abortion, against Hillary's threats of war with Russia, her support for ISIS, PC fascism, etc.

We all know these are end times so even if Trump maintains his position on issues, the globalist elites and their Leftist puppets can still impose their chaos and division resulting in their NWO and anti Christ.

But the issue for Christians remains that based on what we do know we should not vote for politicians like Hitlary and BO who support abortion, LGBT tyranny, Islamist supremacists, PC fascism, etc.

It's a contradiction to say one opposes abortion, whilst they support and vote for politicians who are pro abortion.



---Haz27 on 12/7/16


Nicole, we all know your points of view in many issues. Correct, some issues are someone's point of view, however DNA tests are not someone's point of view.

There are many things that are absolute truth, not someone's point of view or opinion, or denominational belief, like water saves you. People need to be THOROUGHLY CONVINCED in their own mind VIA the Holy Spirit and the Scriptures and not be moved away by someone who wants to use nonsense to move them away. I know what I believe Nicole, and so do many here. Your Line by line disecting and tearing down is NOT your job, and is so annoying as if YOU have set yourself up as judge and jury we have to give an account of why/ what we believe to you. YOU are the one who does not STOP.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/16


Kat is one of the few people here with the fortitude and willingness to debate you into submission.---joseph

Who are you? Kathr's cousin?

'Johnny come lately' aren't we?////Nicole

Nicole, your opening dialogue here is rude and crude, and what's called bar hag talk. What's aka : Jealousy, envy, emotionally unstable actions leading to gossip, lies, hatred etc.( ALL MENTAL ILLNESS)All of which are not God approved as well. You must be an office NIGHTMARE too.
YOU told me to ignore you like Karen does. WHY? So you can keep bullying others until THEY ignore you too? Josef just said most people have chosen to IGNORE your nonsense because they don't really WANT to put forth the energy of dealing with your cyber bullying.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/16


Nicole_Lacey:

It is still a choice. If you think the law is WORSE than jail, you will disobey it. I have a friend who violated a protection order and protested abortion clinics, and went to jail for contempt - because he felt very strongly about it.

Early Christians suffered even worse - they went to their deaths, ripped appart by lions in the coliseum, rather than burn incense to Caesar. Yet Jesus never told his followers to refuse to pay taxes because they were used to fund unjust causes. He said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's".

You and I never came to an agreement about slavery.

Governors DO have the power to pardon people FOUND guilty. The best reason to pardon is if they are ACTUALLY innocent.
---StrongAxe on 12/7/16


Kat is one of the few people here with the fortitude and willingness to debate you into submission.---joseph

Who are you? Kathr's cousin?

'Johnny come lately' aren't we?

Debates are not about putting people into SUBMISSON.

One uses reason to try to convince another of their point of view.

Kathr kept promising to stop, but wasn't able. I was only trying to help her.

I think you took my jest of calling Kathr my Mistress too far?

Slavery is over even in Alabama

StrongAxe, one can't REFUSE to pay Taxes, or they go to jail.

We already debated on Jesus disproval of Slavery with the Book of Exodus by His Father.

Also, I explained several times Pence can not PARDON innocent people.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/7/16




Haz27, I don't think it's that simple. The anti-Christ one day could come and run on a very conservative platform also stating he's against abortion. So just being against that issue, does not make anyone a saint or OF GOD.

We also see DT's daughter pro women's rights and issues, who is also a democrat. And she does have a lot of influence with her father. There is no guarantee that DT will not change his stance or waffle not only on this issue, but many he stated. BUT, if and when that should happen, we already got a pretty good preview of DT. So if things turn out to be disappointing for those who elected him FOR CHANGE in different areas, one can only kick themself.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/16


Axe. You may claim you don't endorse abortion, but the fact that you endorse the side of politics who push for easier abortions suggests a contradiction.

You can't wash your hands from this by simply stating that in spite of our own personal votes for democratically elected leaders, who endorse abortion, that somehow this can be equated to the laws imposed by an authoritarian regime that took control through invasion.

I suggest if you truly oppose abortion then you should stop supporting the Leftists who are at the forefront pushing for easier abortion.
---Haz27 on 12/6/16


"Kathr, you are a unique lady."---Nicole_Lacey on 12/5/16
I agree, Kat is one of the few people here with the fortitude and willingness to debate you into submission.
---joseph on 12/7/16


Nicole_Lacey:

Jesus condemned sins committed by his people. He NEVER condemned violations by the Romans (e.g. butchery, slavery, idolatry, etc.). Why not?

Taxes that went to fund armies that conquered and enslaved nations, and forced them to worship pagan gods. Many Christians today refuse to pay taxes becaue the government uses those taxes to do things they disagree with - yet Jesus said pay them.

*I* never ENDORSED abortion either, yet *I* am accused of it here. Read my words carefully.

She ALSO HELPED a man GET OFF after KNOWING he was guilty

And Pence refused to help a man get off after knowing he was innocent.
---StrongAxe on 12/6/16


allegiance? ---Steveng on 11/21/16 Yes. We are to be loyal citizens, who have a higher allegiance to God.

Hillary is a murderer. . . ---Haz27 on 12/6/16 All who voted for, or practice abortion are guilty of murder.

Steveng: Galatians 6:1 ---StrongAxe on 12/6/16 does not apply to unbelievers

Mat 18:15-17 = personal trespass


We must rebuke.

Lk 17:3 . . . if brother sin, rebuke him (command from Jesus)

Tit 1:12 . . . liars, evil beasts, gluttons.
Tit 1:13 . . . for which cause rebuke them sharpley

Tit 2:15 . . . rebuke with all authority
---aservant on 12/6/16




//2000 years ago, Rome..raped their women, forced them to worship pagan gods, and collected taxes to support all that. DID Jesus CONDEMN all of that,//

Yes, He DIED for all that!

//and command his followers to do so No. He said, "Pay unto Caesar what is Caesar's".//

Jesus was HOLDING A COIN and answering a TAX question.

He did COMMANDED everyone to stop not just the Romans.

//BTW, neither am I of rape.

Yes, but nobody, especially Haz2, has accused you of that.---StrongAxe

Nobody can accused of that because I NEVER raped or ENDORSED to RAPE anyone just because it was the LAW OF THE LAND.

You can't say the same for Clinton. She ALSO HELPED a man GET OFF after KNOWING he was guilty
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/6/16


strongaxe states, "Hicole called Hillary a murderer for supporting abortion - yet that IS CURRENTLY THE LAW OF THE LAND, whether you like it or not."

wow! so this mean you see nothing sennister about the NAZI's who exsterminated the Jews at Auschwitz, Birkenau, Belzec, Bergen, Belsen, Buchenwald, and Chelmno. (Death Camps)

Logical Conclusion it was the law of the land.
---john9346 on 12/6/16


AXE. Good to hear you reject abortion. BUT, your defense of DEM's who always lead the way for easier abortion contradicts your claim.

Nicole is correct, Hillary is a murderer. A so called "civil servant" cannot be excused of murder when it's they and their team WHO USE THEIR POWER TO IMPOSE LAWS for easier abortions.

JERRY6593. We have the same problem in Oz with Leftists. Leftists here have long been bullying and deceiving society, even violently attacking the elderly and making death threats.
Pauline Hanson is our version of Trump. Whilst she is growing in popularity she's still far from Trump's success. Pauline recently had to cancel an event in a Leftist dominated state due to threats of violence by Leftists.
---Haz27 on 12/6/16


Steveng:

Galatians 6:1: restore such an one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Much judgment we see here is not meek reproof, but pharisaical condemnation, despite Romans 8:1.

Matthew 18:15-17: Many people here skip right to the last part.

Ezekiel is in the OT, more judgmental and less forgiving.

Jesus said in Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6:37):
"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

So, only dish it out if you're prepared to receive the same back in kind.

And from Paul, Romans 14:13.
---StrongAxe on 12/6/16


Kathr, you are a unique lady.

I am going to pray for you.

Peace
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/5/16


Many on this site say, "who are we to judge?" You people mistakenly think that christians are not to judge.

Contrary to Romans 14:1-23, there are many verses in the bible that say we are to judge:

2 Timothy 3:16-17
2 Timothy 4:2
Galatians 6:1
Thessalonians 3:15
Matthew 18:15-17
Titus 3:10-11
1 Timothy 5:20
Ezekiel 33:7-12
---Steveng on 12/5/16


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Looks like someone is going to get seduced Into chasing Nicole down ANOTHER RABBIT HOLE.

I would never trust someone who's mind wanders so far off subject to give me an injection, that may be for Mr. Farley, who's hemorides have flaired up, when I might need a shot for helping me start my monthly cycle. The result of bleeding hemorides would not solve the issue.
---kathr4453 on 12/5/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: In Afghanistan the LAW OF THE LAND allows upper case men RAPE BOYS.

If we were discussing Afghani politicians, that would be a relevant subject to be discussing here.

YEA, let others RAPE the BOYS. Who are we to JUDGE?

2000 years ago, Rome conquered other nations, tortured and enslaved their citizens, raped their women, forced them to worship pagan gods, and collected taxes to support all that. Did Jesus condemn all of that, and command his followers to do so? No. He said, "Pay unto Caesar what is Caesar's".

BTW, neither am I of rape.

Yes, but nobody, especially Haz2, has accused you of that.
---StrongAxe on 12/5/16


THE LAW OF THE LAND, STILL KILLS BABIES whether you like it or not.

In Afghanistan the LAW OF THE LAND allows upper case men RAPE BOYS.

Are you claiming as long as a Government Body PASSES LAWS it's OKAY WITH GOD?

It's NO LONGER A SIN?

//If you don't like it, don't do it,//

YEA, let others RAPE the BOYS. Who are we to JUDGE?

//a civil servant, you have a choice to uphold the law or relieve yourself of the responsibility//

That sounds like turning your head so you won't feel bad.

Like the US Soldiers in Afghanistan HAD to do at night. Turning up their radios to DROWN OUT the SCREAMS of the boys.

//BTW, I do not personally favor abortion.---StrongAxe

BTW, neither am I of rape.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/5/16


Haz27:

Hicole called Hillary a murderer for supporting abortion - yet that IS CURRENTLY THE LAW OF THE LAND, whether you like it or not. If you don't like it, don't do it, but you can't fault civil servants who have sworn an oath to uphold the law of the land for doing so. If you are such a civil servant, you have a choice to uphold the law, or relieve yourself of the responsibility to do so by resigning (unlike Kim Davis, who tried to have her cake and eat it too).

BTW, I do not personally favor abortion.


Nicole_Lacey: I did not say Clinton was involved in abortions, merely that as a government official, it was her job to enforce U.S. laws, whatever those laws happen to be.
---StrongAxe on 12/5/16


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Haz: I would like to trade an Aussie like you for the liberal Canadian ax. He and HIS PM Trudeau never met a Communist dictator they didn't love.

I have never seen a more despicable example of POOR LOSERS that the Demoncraps in this past election.



---Jerry6593 on 12/5/16


Axe. Search Hillary lies habitually, liar pantsuit on fire. And of course we all know that Leftist mainstream media lies constantly too.

As for DEM's electoral fraud, and Hillary's lies, search "Caught in Act. Massive voter fraud for Hillary". Also check out Project Veritas.

DEM's voters caught out voting on behalf of dead people, a trademark DEM's vote fraud tactic. DEM's being bused to different voting centers for multiple voting. And don't forget the DEM's encouraging illegals to vote with assurances no penalties will apply for doing so.

You suggest to Nicole to vote to change abortion laws, yet you always argue in favor of the DEMs who endorse abortion. Your insincerity on abortion is exposed.

---Haz27 on 12/4/16


//Google: "trump lied more than once a minute"//

That article only states Trump lies every minutes.
Or Trump lied 54 times according more unnamed fact checkers.

The article NEVER states WHAT Trump lied about.

//You called her a KILLER - a charge of murder. If she never actually killed anyone, or got anyone killed, this is "bearing false witness".//

She has. She convinced her husband to veto part birth abortion after it was passed in both houses

(I assume you meant "overseas") Yes, thanks

//Besides, her job is to enforce U.S. law, which currently allows abortion.--StrongAxe

Finally you admit Clinton is involved with abortions
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/16


Nicole_Lacey:

Google: "trump lied more than once a minute"

You called her a KILLER - a charge of murder. If she never actually killed anyone, or got anyone killed, this is "bearing false witness".

(I assume you meant "overseas"). That is the purvue of other nations, not ours. Besides, her job is to enforce U.S. law, which currently allows abortion. If you don't like it, change the. Don't blame government officials from enforcing laws they have sworn a sacred oath to do.

How is my standard odd? Voter fraud is ALWAYS bad, but measures that disenfranchise many legitimate voters but stop no ACTUAL voter fraud are deceptive and manipulative.


Haz27: WHAT DEM fraud? Show evidence!
---StrongAxe on 12/4/16


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//Those who listened to debates pointed out lies.//

WHO WERE THEY? NAME?

//Please show how many babies Clinton killed, or died as a result of her actions.//

Publicly SUPPORTING abortion is an action when you have CLOUT.

Abortion OVERSEES via her Office as Secretary of State is on her bloody hands as well!

//If you can't, by biblical perjury law, you are guilty for DOUBLE the damages you impute to her.---StrongAxe

No, but if you want to use the Bible. (Strange how you went there when the Bible STATES NO KILLING?)
It showed how Moses, David and the Prophet's words were deemed strong in God's eyes because of their Office.

I will address you odd DOUBLE Standard of Voter Fraud in another post
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/16


Axe. I can't help but notice how you conveniently, and always, ignore the constant lying from Hillary and the ever deceitful Leftist dominated mainstream media.

You even defended Hillary with your heartlessly misleading question of how many babies did Hillary kill.
But we all know that Hillary publicly endorsed Roe v's Wade and as a DEM she even supports their late term abortion platform.

Trump was certainly deprived of the popular vote by the DEMs fraud. And we've all seen and heard of the whiny tantrums and even racist violence and fraud by fascist Lefties, even Hitlary, after Trump's win
---Haz27 on 12/4/16


Nicole_Lacey:

Those who listened to debates pointed out lies. They were available for anyone to verify (i.e. they quoted what Trump said, and facts that contradicted his statements). In many cases, they were Trump contradicting himself (e.g. he said one thing, and later he never said that same thing).

Please show how many babies Clinton killed, or died as a result of her actions. If you can't, by biblical perjury law, you are guilty for DOUBLE the damages you impute to her.

Clinton accepted result and didn't initiate recount until after Stein did. Meanwhile, Trump whines like a child that election fraud deprived him of popular vote (even though he ALREADY WON!) and opposes recounts that would VERIFY his win, if legitimate.
---StrongAxe on 12/3/16


//Trump lies about 70% of the time from fact checkers.//

WHO are these FACT CHECKERS? You, StrongAxe, Rob and Leon?

//So to vote for him is to vote for a great liar.//

A vote for Clinton is a vote for a greater liar and baby killer.

//GOD resist the proud.//

We saw that when Clinton LOST the Election! She was SO SURE she was going to WIN.

//Bible says GOD will destroy those who are destroying the earth.//

First those who destroy His Innocents-Babies.

Democrats are in disarray now.

You can't give God the finger and NOT FALL!

//they would pass a Sunday law.---Samuelbb7

Wouldn't it be a Saturday law since it was his son in law who HELPED him win the Election? He is Jewish.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/3/16


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A vote for Trump is a vote for the lessor evil, a lessor liar, who at least offers some sanity and hope.

But no Christian can vote for Hillary , DEMs , Obama, as they are the by far the greater evil, greater liars, heartless and corrupt.
---Haz27 on 12/2/16


cluny: Have you been reincarnated as riolin? Why the subterfuge? Are you asserting that no Greek Orthodox has ever had an abortion? I'll bet they have.


---Jerry6593 on 12/3/16


Samuelbb7 I'm not affiliated with any political party. I don't care for Clinton. But a vote for Trump would have been an outright abomination.
---Rob on 12/2/16


\\ I'll bet some of your denomination are pro-abortion also. The vast majority of SDA's are not.


---Jerry6593 on 12/2/16\\

Note that Jerry admits that members of the SDA are pro-abortion.

The official policy of the SDA in this grave moral issue is definitely pro-abortion.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/2/16


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Trump lies about 70% of the time from fact checkers. So to vote for him is to vote for a great liar. Trump is proud of himself and claims only he can save us.

GOD resist the proud and calls pride a great sin. The only Savior that we can have is Jesus.

The Bible says GOD will destroy those who are destroying the earth. Global warming is saying men are destroying the earth. Just like GOD said they would.

Trump wants to take our rights away and set up Judges who are against those who don't agree with their version of the bible they would pass a Sunday law.

So I could not vote for Trump.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/2/16


riolin: You sound just like cluny. What denomination are you? I'll bet some of your denomination are pro-abortion also. The vast majority of SDA's are not.


---Jerry6593 on 12/2/16


jerry speaks against the Dems, "God is against abortion, but Dems are for it."

But Seventh Day Adventists hospitals gladly performs abortions.

The SDAs makes a big deal out of the 4th commandment to keep the Jewish Sabbath, but totally ignores the 6th commandment and kills the unborn. Go figure the hypocrisies.
---riolion on 12/1/16


Jerry, EXCELLENT points!

Also, God made the earth for man, but Dems claim the earth is above man.

God wants man to protect women, but Dems OVERLOOK abuse to Muslim women.

Did you hear about the Morning Show in Morocco giving 'make up' tips to over up the bruises your husband gave you the night before? (esp. for ladies who have to work the next morning)

They even used a lady with a REAL bruises from a beaten she received the night before!

Only Republicans complained!

But we heard ONLY Dems complaining about how Americans look at Muslims.

The SAME MORNING an 18 year old MUSLIM Man was cutting women and men with a butcher knife at OSU after he tried to hit some with his car first.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/30/16


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How can we tell who is on the wrong side? God is on the right side, and His views are written in the Bible. So, let's compare:

God is against abortion, but Dems are for it.

God is against sexual perversion, but Dems are for it.

God is for capital punishment, but Dems are against it.

God is for equal justice under the law, but Dems play favorites.

God claims creatorship of earth, but Dems deny it (Evolution).

God claims control of earth, but Dems deny it (man-caused Global Warming).

God abhors lying, but Dems live by it.

God grants property rights, but Dems claim it all for Caesar.

Again I assert that Democrats are always on the wrong side.
---Jerry6593 on 11/30/16


Axe. Where did Trump say he wants all Muslims out? Seems you listen too much to Fake News.

Regarding terrorist numbers, surveys in countries with significant Muslim populations show there's tens of millions of radical/fundamentalist Muslims (from where terrorists arise) worldwide who support Islamic terrorism.

I also found similar as most Muslims I've spoken to about religion have indicated that they support Islam's death penalty for apostasy, adultery, insulting Mohammed.

Even secular Muslim Tarek Fatah of the Muslim Canadian Congress argued (like Trump) for a ban on Muslim immigration from countries that embrace fundamentalist Islam. Tarek understandably does not want fundamentalists coming to Canada pushing Sharia.
---Haz27 on 11/30/16


//Nicole: Only Democrats used the word 'all'

TRUMP and his followers want ALL Muslims out of the country.--//

??? YOU JUST MADE MY POINT.

I am a Trump's follower and ONLY want BAD Muslims out of the country.

Muslims who what Sharia law in United States.

Sharia Law isn't good for women.

//99% of all Terrorists are Muslims.

Around 1/7000 Muslims are terrorists, i.e. 99.9998 are NOT.//

NOOOO, that's how Democrats to PLAY DOWN the numbers.
I statement is correct.

We are not talking about other Muslims.

We are talking about TERRORIST.

BTW, I was wrong. 99.9% of all Terrorist are Muslims.

Or if you see a Terrorist, you can be sure that the Terrorist is a Muslims.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/29/16


Nicole_Lacey:

Only Democrats used the word 'all'

TRUMP and his followers want ALL Muslims out of the country.

99% of all Terrorists are Muslims.

Around 1/7000 Muslims are terrorists, i.e. 99.9998 are NOT. So, anyone who walks up to a total stranger wearing a Hajib and cries "terrorist" obviously assumes they ALL are.

Yet, Jesus called all Pharisees hypocrites BECAUSE 99% were hypocrites.

YOU Pharisees (those he talked to), not ALL (e.g. Nicodemus).

But, you refuse to use the SAME brush?

*I* don't say all southerners are racists.

Some issues Democrats are anti-nature such as Abortion.

I agreed SOME are. Jerry said ALL are - not true.
---StrongAxe on 11/28/16


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Jerry, because they can't read themselves or others.

//just like not all Muslims are terrorists,//

Only Democrats used the word 'all'

99% of all Terrorists are Muslims.

//not all Pharisees were hypocrites.//

Yet, Jesus called all Pharisees hypocrites BECAUSE 99% were hypocrites.

//You really should learn to paint your accusations with a slightly narrower brush.//

But, you refuse to use the SAME brush?

Democrats call All Christians HATE Gays. All Southerns are Racists.

//Some issues Republicans are biblically wrong on vs. Democrats:---StrongAxe

Some issues Democrats are anti-nature such as Abortion.

Who kills their young? DEMOCRATS
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/28/16


Jerry6593:

You wrote: Nicole: Have you noticed that Demoncrats are always on the wrong (i.e., anti-Christian) side of every issue. Why do you think that is?

Only because many evangelicals and Republicans falsely claim it is so. Are some Democrats always wrong on some issues? Yes. Are ALL Democrats ALWAYS wrong on ALL issues? No, just like not all Muslims are terrorists, and not all Pharisees were hypocrites. You really should learn to paint your accusations with a slightly narrower brush.

Some issues Republicans are biblically wrong on vs. Democrats: endorsing a leader who BOASTS of oathbreaking, adultery, exposing the nakedness of women (even underage ones), etc.
---StrongAxe on 11/28/16


//Under the intent of the law, one is innocent until proven guilty.---josef

Police Officers have the LICENSE to suspect a crime and ACT on it.

He sees you weaving in and out on the highway.

The Officer STOPS you based on that 1st offense.

You are NOT allowed to drive reckless on the highway.

The Officer is going to MAKE you take a Breathalyzer if he SMELLS ALCOHOL. 2nd Offense.

The Breathalyzer KITS are in his car.

They don't have road blocks and force EVERYONE to take the test.

ONLY those BREAKING the Law which is a CRIME.

When you BLOW the Alcohol limit (pardon the pun) you are FOUND GULITY of a DUI at that moment.

On the side of the road before you even step into COURT.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/27/16


Nicole: Have you noticed that Demoncrats are always on the wrong (i.e., anti-Christian) side of every issue. Why do you think that is?


---Jerry6593 on 11/28/16


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"WHAT? Yes it does!"---Nicole_Lacey on 11/26/16

Under the intent of the law, one is innocent until proven guilty.
---josef on 11/27/16


Investigated TWICE by the FBI not the DOJ. And the FBI CAN'T prosecute. The AG DOESN'T need the FBI for any investigation. The DOJ has it's OWN Investigation department.

//When will you Republican witch-huntere give it a rest?//

Justice has no TIME.

//How much time will Trump have to waste fending off 75 simultaneous lawsuits?//

If true. It doesn't matter. He has Private Lawyers to handle his PRIVATE AFFAIRS.

Unlike the Clintons, their AFFAIRS were entangled with their Offices.

//If Obama can't pardon her, why do you think Trump would worry about him doing so?---StrongAxe

Because the Democrats can't protect Clinton anymore.

Again, a NEW AG is coming. Then only Trump can pardon NOT Obama.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/26/16


Nicole_Lacey:

She has been investigated TWICE for that, and it was decided TWICE that there was insufficient evidence of a crime to warrant prosecution. When will you Republican witch-huntere give it a rest?
Right now, Trump is the subject of 75 lawsuits for things he has done (in some cases criminal, and in others merely bordering on criminal). You know how badly the efficiency of Bill Clinton's presidency was impacted by his having to fend off impeachment for ONE offense. How much time will Trump have to waste fending off 75 simultaneous lawsuits?

I told you already. You can't Pardon an innocent person!

Make up your mind. If Obama can't pardon her, why do you think Trump would worry about him doing so?
---StrongAxe on 11/26/16


//That does not mean you committed the crime.---joseph

WHAT? Yes it does!

What is the first thing a person asks the Police Officer while they are in the PROCESS of being arrested?

'Officer, what CRIME did I commit?'

OR

'What did I DO WRONG?'

When you are arrested for a DUI, the crime sticks with you when the Police Officer ALONE makes you take a Breathalyzer.

If you refuse, HE still arrests you and MAKES you take the Breathalyzer in JAIL!

No judge or jury involved.

Based on the evidence obtained by the Police Officer who stopped you and charged you with the Crime of DRUNK DRIVING the Judge sentenced you to Prison, with fines and at times SUSPENDS your driving license/privileges.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/26/16


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The pledge does not carry the strength it used to carry. In this day and age of demonstrating and flag burning, it is much castrated whether we are citizens by birth or naturalized. It has gone the way of the Creeds. It is less a requirement. But one could throw it in with vows which also have become meaningless.
---mike4879 on 11/26/16


Sambb7. I note you like to avoid the fraud, lies and corruption etc of Hillary and the DEM's.

Apart from Hillrary's crime, lies and fraud with the email scandal, you also conveniently fail to see the corruption of the Clinton Foundation with its pay for play system.

Do you remember one of Hillay's (numerous) lies that the Clinton foundation gave 90% of donations it receives to charities? BUT facts revealed from tax filings of the Clinton foundation shows instead only 6% being given to charities.

The former president of the Haitian Senate Bernard Sansaricq alleged shame on Hillary and her pay for play foundation for profiting off Haiti's suffering. Is it any wonder the Clinton's are so hated by Haitians.
---Haz27 on 11/26/16


"The police still arrested you for a crime committed."

That does not mean you committed the crime.
---joseph on 11/26/16


//mug shots are taken when accused of a crime, arrested and processed through the system, whether one actually committed a crime or not.---joseph

Read your blog again.

They don't round up anyone walking down the street, or stepping out of their house.

The police still arrested you for a crime committed.

Trial is for those who claim they are innocent.

For serious crimes with fly risk the Judge CAN hold you without bail until you are found NOT guilty.

//So your asking for her to release classified emails? Was Trump lying---Samuelbb7

Clinton's crime ISN'T that her e-mails were hacked.

Her crime is HOW she STORED her e-mails in a NON-SECURED Non-Government Server AGAINST Government Policies.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/25/16


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"If you DON'T commit a crime there wouldn't any police mug pictures."

Wrong Nicole, mug shots are taken when accused of a crime, arrested and processed through the system, whether one actually committed a crime or not.
---joseph on 11/25/16


//Which laws did I get wrong?//

I told you already. You can't Pardon an innocent person!

No law state an innocent person needs pardoning.

Name one if you disagree. Cite the law.

//there MIGHT be a connection to Hillary.//

No, NOT MIGHT. THERE were E-MAILS to the State Department addressed to Hillary from Huma

Rememeber, you all were NOT denying the e-mails, but that there were no NEW e-mails.

//could ONLY be to hurt Hillary's election chances.//

It did. Maybe Hillary NEEDS to OBEY the Law like you and I.

Really Simple.

//Trump can appoint Sessions, but NOT tell him whom to indict.---StrongAxe on 11/25/16

YOU GOT IT!
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/25/16


Nicole the emails were never to be released to the public. Trump was saying the emails were all classified and she let them be hacked. So your asking for her to release classified emails? Was Trump lying?

They did release many of her non classified emails. About a third of them was here asking for printed copies since she had a hard time reading them on the phone. You can read thousands of email saying please print me a copy if you want too.

Also Trump has had his Charity closed for violating the law by using funds from it to pay off a Attorney General in Florida. Along with other discrepancies. So Trump actually has been shown to have committed fraud.

Which is why he is now backpedaling on accusing Hillary of anything.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/25/16


Axe. In Oz we had a Leftist government in trouble about its electoral fraud. This Leftist government had no choice but to allow an investigation into it.

But, this Leftist government set such limited terms of reference upon the investigation that even the commissioner running the investigation complained about the restrictions. Clearly the Leftist government had electoral fraud to hide, and the investigation, with its many restrictions, was merely set up give an appearance of justice.

That's how corrupt politics works, unfortunately.

We see likewise with Comey. FBI investigators of Hillary have complained about Comey standing in the way. Hillary was being protected by Comey, as much as you Leftists try to pretend otherwise.
---Haz27 on 11/25/16


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Nicole_Lacey:

I lived here for 30 years, and watch much crime dramas (partially accurate) and read about laws, both foreign and domestic. Which laws did I get wrong?

Comey announced the FBI was investigating Weiner's messages, and there MIGHT be a connection to Hillary. That announcement was premature, as there was no link yet established - which could ONLY be to hurt Hillary's election chances.

Why should she release her emails, unless she's indicted? Yet Trump NEVER released his taxes, which EVERY president has done in the last several decades.

Make up your mind! If Obama can't pardon her, why would Trump worry that he might?

Trump can appoint Sessions, but NOT tell him whom to indict.
---StrongAxe on 11/25/16


//I was just stating American law (i.e. who can and can't do what) - it has nothing to do with partizan politics. Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with it a bit more, since you're not from here.//

Sorry, but you not acquainted with American rules or laws.

//Protecting?! Odd, since Comey's premature announcement could ONLY have been made to hurt Hillary, not help her.---StrongAxe

Don't you have that backwards?

That's like blaming the police for an ugly police mug of yourself.

If you DON'T commit a crime there wouldn't any police mug pictures.

We have been asking Clinton for her e-mails for over 3 years.

She is the one who propone the releases of the e-mail just weeks before the election.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/25/16


//The best you could say is "Trump is unfit too".//

Can I say that after 8 years of Presidency?

//Not for two more months.//

The ink can't dry in that length of time.

//If Obama pardons her, she can't be re-accused.//

What? I thought you said she isn't guilty of any crime?

Is Clinton guilty or NOT?

Until you make up your mind, you must understand our justice system: You CAN'T pardon someone that hasn't been charged with anything.

//If and when Sessions is AG, that will be HIS decision, NOT Trump's.---StrongAxe

Trump's DECISION to appoint Sessions.
Session accepted.
Senate decision to approve.

Thanks to Dirty Harry, we have enough votes to confirm Sessions.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/24/16


Haz27:

You wrote: Axe. Again I see that you still choose to remain in the Leftist bubble, repeating whatever propaganda your masters there tell you to believe.

I was just stating American law (i.e. who can and can't do what) - it has nothing to do with partizan politics. Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with it a bit more, since you're not from here.

Sessions will be the attorney general so let's see what he can do.

That's what I just said.

No doubt corrupt Comey will be removed and thus he will not be at the FBI any longer protecting Hillary and co.

Protecting?! Odd, since Comey's premature announcement could ONLY have been made to hurt Hillary, not help her.
---StrongAxe on 11/24/16


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I think allegiance means you intend to do all that is good for a country. So, if I love any and all people as myself and consider us all equal, then I am allegiant to all countries. And I will expect my own country to care about others as ourselves, for the good of my own country. Because if my country is selfish >

"God resists the proud" (in James 4:7, and in 1 Peter 5:5).

A selfish country, I understand, has God resisting them. And this is why things do not go well for them, no matter what they claim to be their intentions.

By the way . . . possibly, Donald is waiting for President Obama to be out of office. If she were charged now, could they quickly convict her while President Obama is available to pardon her?
---Bill on 11/25/16


That's rich coming from an Obama supporter.

"Tu quoque" (i.e. "you too") arguments don't excuse Trump. The best you could say is "Trump is unfit too".

Now Obama is throwing a tantrum because Trump has the pen

Not for two more months.

I know, but many don't. I believe Trump is trying to prevent Obama from pardoning Clinton.

He doesn't have that power either. If Obama pardons her, she can't be re-accused.

Well, he did appoint Jeff Sessions for a REASON!

Hopefully he had a better reason than "jail her!" for picking an AG for the next four years. If and when Sessions is AG, that will be HIS decision, NOT Trump's.
---StrongAxe on 11/24/16


Axe. Again I see that you still choose to remain in the Leftist bubble, repeating whatever propaganda your masters there tell you to believe.

Sessions will be the attorney general so let's see what he can do. No doubt corrupt Comey will be removed and thus he will not be at the FBI any longer protecting Hillary and co.
---Haz27 on 11/24/16


//No, it means God FORGAVE us.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/23/16

So you're saying Trump has forgiven Clinton?? If so, are you equating him with God?---NurseRobert on 11/24/16

Keep focus, Robert.

StrongAxe, you see?

NurseRobert believes Trump has the power to free Clinton before she is even charged with a crime.

Nurse, ONLY the AG has to power to charge Clinton with any crime, not Trump.

If the AG DOES charge Clinton and she is sentenced to Prison, is the ONLY time Trump can play god.

Trump can pardon her AFTER she is sentenced/found guilty.

I know you believe Obama was a god, but as you see, he wasn't.

Obama and Clinton are human as you and I.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/24/16


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Because God doesn't send us to Hell, does that mean we DIDN'T deserve Hell?

No, it means God FORGAVE us.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/23/16

So you're saying Trump has forgiven Clinton?? If so, are you equating him with God?
---NurseRobert on 11/24/16


//Neither you nor Trump understand limitations of the office of President.//

That's rich coming from an Obama supporter.

That's what we kept telling Obama!

Remember his arrogant comment?
He has a PEN and PHONE?

There is a saying.
Live by Executive ruling and DIE by Executive ruling.

Now Obama is throwing a tantrum because Trump has the pen

//The president's job is to run the country - NOT prosecute crimes. That is attorney general's job.

I know, but many don't. I believe Trump is trying to prevent Obama from pardoning Clinton.

//If AG decides there is sufficient evidence to prosecute Hillary, he will bring charges.--StrongAxe

Well, he did appoint Jeff Sessions for a REASON!
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/24/16


As far as I know, the USA is the only country that has this practice.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/24/16


Nicole_Lacey:

Neither you nor Trump understand limitations of the office of President. The president's job is to run the country - NOT prosecute crimes. That is attorney general's job. If AG decides there is sufficient evidence to prosecute Hillary, he will bring charges. That will be his decision, NOT Trump's.

That she has been thoroughly investigated TWICE for this, and there was insufficient evidence to prosecute, means that is unlikely. But as we now seem to be in a "post-truth" society, anything is possible.

(And what does this have to do with the Pledge of Allegiance, anyway? Hillary's Emails seems to be your pet every-blog obsession now, just as Sabbath worship seems to be to SDAs and trinity to JWs.)
---StrongAxe on 11/23/16


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First, we in Christ have Jesus as our King and we are bound to do what God's peace in our hearts rules us to do >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body, and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

Jesus our King rules us by means of how God rules us in His own peace.

And "if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46) So, I need to care as much about people of other countries, as I care about people in my own country . . . since all are equal. My allegiance, then, is to howsoever God does good for every nation, while He has me doing my part with Him and us (c:
---Bill on 11/24/16


//But Nicole now Trump agrees she committed no crime. Just like the FBI said no crime.---Samuelbb7 on 11/23/16

Because of Clinton's crime in 2013 every Federal employee had to watch a video on E-MAILS and SIGNED a document that we watched it and will NOT do the SAME!

Now we have to watch that video YEARLY just because of Hillary Clinton

Did Trump say he wasn't going to purse charges against Obama?

No, because he DIDN'T commit a crime.

Did Trump say he wasn't going to purse charges against Tim Kaine?

No, because he didn't commit a crime.

Because God doesn't send us to Hell, does that mean we DIDN'T deserve Hell?

No, it means God FORGAVE us.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/23/16


Samuelbb7:

While that might be true if it were a free choice, it rises to the level of worship if the flag or anything else is raised to a level above other things.

You are allowed to burn leaves and newspapers. Burning the flag or money is a crime.
There are specific laws about the proper way to carry, fold, and display a flag, almost as if it were a priceless religious relic.
You are allowed to criticize political leaders, but not saying the Pledge of Allegiance brands you as a disloyal traitor - e.g. Kaepernick). (But in 2001ish, the Dixie Chicks's mere criticism of W.'s gulf war branded them traitors.)

This all despite the fact that the First Amendment guarantees freedom of expression.
---StrongAxe on 11/23/16


Agreed. We are showing support for our Country. Not worshipping it or the Flag.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/23/16


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///When a person pledges allegiance to a flag, it's not really the flag they are pledging allegiance but to the country that the flag represents. This means you will obey the laws of that country, it's leadership [government], etc. as long as it doesn't take priority over God's instructions.---WIVV on 11/22/16///

Exactly!!! Romans 13: 1-5.
---Leon on 11/23/16


When a person pledges allegiance to a flag, it's not really the flag they are pledging allegiance but to the the country that the flag represents. This means you will obey the laws of that country, it's leadership, etc. as long as it doesn't take priority over God's instructions.
---WIVV on 11/22/16


Don't see why not. Some of you have already pledged allegiance to Trump. Some of you have even anointed him as the forerunner to the second coming of Christ. John the Baptist would have a whole lot to say about that one. Happy Turkey day!
---pg1 on 11/22/16


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