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According to the "Scriptures.",

If someone denies the "Trinity." and the "Deity of Christ." is that person "Saved.??"

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-Josef on 12/4/16,

and elsewhere,

you are clear in your beliefs. A blessing. Thank you, thanks to the Father
---chria9396 on 12/5/16


"You refuse to address the Scriptures which clearly state that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are "Separate Persons." in 1 Being of God.

What scriptures are those?

John I believe that my beliefs are backed by these scriptures. Mal 2:10>Mar 12:32>Rom 3:30>Eph 4:6>1Ti 2:5>Jas 2:19 Please document the verses that you believe support a trinity just as clearly. Accusation aside, you are simply repeating yourself, and attempting to goat me into repeating myself.
---Josef on 12/5/16


I have stated my belief as clearly as I can on "There is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him"
---Josef on 12/4/16

I will ask you the same thing I have asked David8318 who never responds to it.

In Luke 10:22 Jesus tells us that only He knows the Father. No one else knows the Father, including all OT writers & prophets.

In Matt 10:33 Jesus tells us that if we deny Him before men, He will deny us before the Father.

You are denying that Jesus is God. You are denying that the Word was and is God, and that the Word is Jesus.

If you deny Jesus before men, how do you expect to get to the Father?

As Jesus tells us in John 14:6, He is the only way to the Father
---Mark_Eaton on 12/5/16


Joseph,

Sir, to go back to your original question, "how does denying the trinity deny Jesus?"

Because Jesus is God he is not the "Father." and the "Father." is not the "Son." and the Holy Spirit is not the "Father." nor the "Son."

3 "Separate Persons." who make upthe the "Being of God."

Sir, to deny this is to hear Jesus's Words to you, "

"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that [f]I am He, you will die in your sins." Jn 8:24






---john9346 on 12/5/16


Joseph,

The bible says God your creator is holy, righteous, just, and pure.

The bible says you are a sinner who have committed sin against him. Have you ever told a lie, looked with lust on a woman, stolen, been disobedient to your parents, have you always loved God perfectly??

The bible says The Lord Jesus Christ who is God the second person of the "Trinity." took on Human Flesh is the only one who lived a perfect and sinless life and is the only way to be reconciled to God...

The bible commands you to repent/turn from your sin today my friend and trust Christ alone to save you from his wrath of Eternal Hell against sinners...


Always in love,


John
---john9346 on 12/5/16




John9346 laughably opens a blog to discuss the trinity, but when challenged to provide one scripture to show where trinity or diety of Christ can be found, john9346 scarpers.

John9346 is as inept as the pernicious pagan trinity dogma he pushes and knows "trinity" is not a scriptural teaching.

The trinity is a pagan false religious concept. In the book Egyptian Religion, Siegfried Morenz notes: "The trinity was a major preoccupation of Egyptian theologians ... Three gods are combined and treated as a single being, addressed in the singular. In this way the spiritual force of Egyptian religion shows a direct link with Christian theology."
---David8318 on 12/5/16


Joseph,

What you have failed to address is your own statement of which is as you have stated. A strawman is when someone raise an objection to not deal with the heart of the matter.

You refuse to address the Scriptures which clearly state that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are "Separate Persons." in 1 Being of God.Joseph states, "
"The Father is only a person in a philosophical sense.
The Holy Spirit isn't a person in any sense of the word.
The Word became a person only when it was made tangible in the person of Jesus. Therefore God in three persons has no basis."
---john9346 on 12/5/16


"This is false and respectfully it seems you are unsure of what you believe and what you have stated."
John I have stated my belief as clearly as I can on "There is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him, and one Lord Jesus [the] Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. God, anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil, for God was with[in] him. I asked that this statement not be added too. Which you have attempted to do with your straw-man. My belief is complete as stated. What do you find unclear about this?
---Josef on 12/4/16


joseph states, "although I suppose "Trinity, as a [scripturally based] doctrine, doesn't exist" does gives that impression:o)."

But the real question is when the "Scriptures." and not your opinion is examined is this true.??

It is interesting you continue to state the "Trinity." isn't true, but in not one of your posting have you contextually addressed the verses asked of you that challenged your Modalistic Position.

So, in the presence of all here sir are you going to answer the questions asked of you.
---john9346 on 12/4/16


Joseph states, "Concerning your questions you are refuting an argument that I never advanced, straw-man."

This is false and respectfully it seems you are unsure of what you believe and what you have stated.

Here is your statement:

"The Father is only a person in a philosophical sense.
The Holy Spirit isn't a person in any sense of the word.
The Word became a person only when it was made tangible in the person of Jesus. Therefore God in three persons has no basis."

So again I will ask you to answer the questions asked of you.
---john9346 on 12/4/16




//NEVER DIED!!// aservant.

This confirms aservants apostasy! The trinity dogma is antichrist. If Christ never died as propagated by aservant, then Christ was never resurrected. There is no salvation in the trinity! No saviour for trinitarians who deny Christ died and who was raised up!

Aservant is unable to discern how salvation is derived from the complete death and resurrection of the Christ by God [YHWH].

'But God raised up the Lord'- 1Cor.6:14

'But God resurrected him'- Acts 2:24

'God resurrected this Jesus'- Acts 2:32

Those who claim others are lying usually do so to hide their own inadequacies. Aservant is as inadequate as the pagan trinity dogma he is pushing.
---David8318 on 12/4/16


"Well you still haven't prooven to us this is so.---john9346 on 12/4/16"

What makes you think I was attempting to prove anything to you John? I simply stated my belief and attempted to answer all questions concerning that belief. If I haven't done so to your satisfaction you are free to dismiss it, which you have apparently done. As I have shared here before, none of my views are intended to be dogmatic, although I suppose "Trinity, as a [scripturally based] doctrine, doesn't exist" does gives that impression:o), my apologies.

Concerning your questions you are refuting an argument that I never advanced, straw-man.
---Josef on 12/4/16


To clarify, I meant Trinity, as a [scripturally based] doctrine, doesn't exist.

---Josef on 12/3/16

Well you still haven't prooven to us this is so.
---john9346 on 12/4/16


joseph states, "This argument has nothing to do with me. It's a straw-man."

Absolutely it does because you just said, "Trinity, as a doctrine, doesn't exist."
---john9346 on 12/4/16


questions that need to be answered:

1. I am waiting for Joseph to tell us all where is modalism taught in Matt 12:31-32 when Jesus says he is separate from the Holy Spirit?

2. I am waiting for Joseph to tell us all where is modalism in Lk 1:35 when separation of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit is explained by the angel??

3. I am waiting for Joseph to explain in context who is Jesus praying to in Jn 17:1-5?

4. I am waiting for Joseph to explain Paul's Statement if Jesus didn't exist Eternally, ""Who, although He existed in the form of God,"
---john9346 on 12/4/16


5. Joseph In Jn 1:1 where is modalism being taught when John states, "The Word was with God."

6. In Col 2:9 where is modalism being taught??

I hope you will address these questions for us all since so far you have done a noticeable job of avoiding and trying to deflect...
---john9346 on 12/4/16


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The Father is a person in that He is a self-conscious, rational being.

"Person = the spirit (eternal life force), not the flesh"

Aservant where is that definition of person found?

The eternal life force is of the Father. "And this is life eternal, that they might know 'thee' [the Father] the only true God,, and Jesus Christ, [the Son of God] whom thou hast sent." John 17:3

"Please don't mimic Lying ---David8318"

I share my own beliefs, I mimic no one

execute due diligence in your research.----a servant on 12/4/1

Before you attempt to criticize something I share, take your own advice.
---Josef on 12/4/16


Almighty God [YHWH] brought Christ back to life- . . . There would be no reason to "come to life again" if Jesus was already alive! ---David8318 on 11/29/16

Hey, Lying ---David8318, again you lie!!! Almighty God [YHWH] DID NOT bring Christ back to life!!! Christ brought Himself back to (flesh) Life. His Spirit NEVER DIED!!

Jn 10:18 . . . I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Your "special" blindness PROVES your unbelief. 2Cor 3:14, 4:4
---aservant on 12/4/16


The Father is only a person in a philosophical sense.
The Holy Spirit isn't a person in any sense of the word.
The Word became a person . . .
Therefore God in three persons has no basis. ---Josef on 12/1/16


Heb 1:3 Who being . . . the express image of his person

(KJV-1611) being . . . the expresse image of his person

(Webster) being . . . the express image of his person


Scripture says God (Father) is a person, Jesus is a person, thus, the Holy Spirit is a person.

Person = the spirit (eternal life force), not the flesh.

Please don't mimic Lying ---David8318 and execute due diligence in your research.
---aservant on 12/4/16


Satan has many of you hung-up on the term "Trinity". God has always caused many to function as one, beginning with Himself, the Word, and the Holy Spirit:

Jg 20:1 . . . the congregation was gathered together as one man . . .
Jg 20:8 And all the people arose as one man . . .

1Cor 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one Spirit.
1Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized . . .

Gen 2:24 . . . they shall be one flesh.
Mar 10:8 . . . they are no more twain, but one flesh.
1Cor 6:16 . . . he which is joined to an harlot is . . . one flesh.
---aservant on 12/3/16


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Hey, Lying ---David8318, Your trust in men = Satan whispering to you, "This makes no sense, so God is lying again." See here what the Author said: He called His Son The mighty GOD, The everlasting FATHER

2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God

(CEV) Everything in the Scriptures is God's Word.

(ERV) All Scripture is given by God.

(ISV) All Scripture is God-breathed


Is 9:6 . . . his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
---aservant on 12/3/16


To clarify, I meant Trinity, as a [scripturally based] doctrine, doesn't exist.
---Josef on 12/3/16


This wouldn't matter if the Holy Spirit wasn't personal."

The blasphemy is against the Father, from whom the Holy Spirit originates.

"I challenge you to show us all that the "Trinity." isn't personal..."

Trinity, as a doctrine, doesn't exist.

If the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are "Inspiration/energy/a-force.", then committing sin aginst each one wouldn't be an issue, because you cant sin against water, gravity, or the wind.---john9346 on 12/2/16

This argument has nothing to do with me. It's a straw-man.
---Josef on 12/3/16


If the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are "Inspiration/energy/a-force.", then committing sin aginst each one wouldn't be an issue, because you cant sin against water, gravity, or the wind.
---john9346 on 12/2/16


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Joseph states, "The Holy Spirit can be blasphemed" Yes by refusing it, or attributing the Father's power and inspiration to anything or anyone other than Himself,"

But the Lord Jesus disagrees with you here listen to his words, "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32 Whoever [ab]speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him, but whoever [ac]speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come."

Note, the Lord Jesus (the Son of man) separates himself from the HolySpirit and the Holy Spirit from himself.
---john9346 on 12/2/16


Next, note, sin against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven,however, sain against Jesus "The Son of man." would be forgiven.

This wouldn't matter if the Holy Spirit wasn't personal.

Joseph in order to keep your position consistent with Scripture I challenge you to show us all that the "Trinity." isn't personal...
---john9346 on 12/2/16


"The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power OF THE HIGHEST shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

"Of the Highest", being God, the Father
---chria9396 on 12/3/16


"You cant blaspheme energy/inspiration/a-force, only a person."
"The Holy Spirit can be blasphemed"
Yes by refusing it, or attributing the Father's power and inspiration to anything or anyone other than Himself, and thereby having the semblance of piety, but dening the power that enables that piety, thus insulting the Spirit of grace. Mat. 2:31>2Ti 3:5>Heb 10:26-29
---Josef on 12/2/16


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joseph states, "John I've stated my belief concerning this, and why."

But the real question sir is are you listening to the Lord Jesus Christ and his apostles's Testimony...

Wouldn't Jesus know who he is and wouldn't those who walked with him knew whether he was a "Person." and not a mode.

Jn 17:3-5, Phil 2:6-11, and the other verses in accordance to your statements.
---john9346 on 12/2/16


Joseph:

question:

In the following verse where do you see modalism being taught??


Luke 1:35:

"The angel answered and said to her, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you, and for that reason the [y]holy Child shall be called the Son of God."
---john9346 on 12/2/16


Joseph:

question:

In the following verse where do you see modalism being taught??

Romans 1:4:

"who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,"
---john9346 on 12/2/16


If someone denies the "Trinity." and the "Deity of Christ." is that person "Saved.??"

Salvation is God's gift to those He selects to give this gift. A newly saved person could deny these things, but will learn the truth in time.



I believe there is a flaw within your theology.

The Holy Spirit must be God if Jesus is truly the Son of God.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/2/16


Excellent!!

Glad you decided against staying in the shadows. :)
---aservant on 12/2/16


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Mark, The Word is considered the Son of God because it is the only entity brought forth solely of Himself. Everything else was created through that Word. Jesus "was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:" The body of Jesus was 'conceived' (to be delivered and brought forth) by the 'overshadowing' (preternatural influence) of the 'Holy Spirit' (represented here as the power and influence of the Father), and 'made' (formed) using the 'seed'(sperm or reproductive cell) of David combined with the 'ovum' (egg or reproductive cell) of Mary, and "called the Son of God". Rom 1:4>Luke 1:35
---Josef on 12/2/16


John I've stated my belief concerning this, and why.

Person
noun
1.
a human being, whether an adult or child:
2.
a human being as distinguished from an animal or a thing.
3.
an individual human being who likes or prefers something specified (used in combination):
4.
Sociology. an individual human being, especially with reference to his or her social relationships and behavioral patterns as conditioned by the culture.
5.
Philosophy. a self-conscious or rational being.
6.
the actual self or individual personality of a human being:
You ought not to generalize, but to consider the person you are dealing with.
7.
the body of a living human being, sometimes including the clothes being worn:
---Josef on 12/2/16


Please don't add to this, it is complete as stated.
---Josef on 12/1/16

Please answer this question for us all.

If the Holy Spirit is not God, how can the Son of God (as the Bible defines Jesus Messiah to be) be a son of only the Father (as you define God to be) when Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit?

I believe there is a flaw within your theology.

The Holy Spirit must be God if Jesus is truly the Son of God.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/2/16


Joseph states, "The Father is only a person in a philosophical sense."

But the Father loves see John 16:27 3:35.

The Father sent the Son see Jn 4:34 5:30.

The Father speaks see Matt 3:13-17, Jn 5:30, Jn 12:49

The father has a "Will." see Matt 26:37-39.

A force or mode can not be sent or send, nor love, speak, or have desire.
---john9346 on 12/2/16


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joseph states, "The Word became a person only when it was made tangible in the person of Jesus."

But Paul writing to the Phillippians states in ch 2:6-11:

"Who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

Note, Paul's words referring to the Lord Jesus Christ, "Who, although He existed in the form of God,"

Jesus Eternally Existed as the second person of the "Trinity."

See, also Jn 17:5
---john9346 on 12/2/16


The Holy Spirit is a person:

He speaks Acts 8:29, 13:2, 21:11, 1 Tim 4:1.

He can hear John 16:13.

He loves Romans 15:30,

He teaches John 14:26,

He intercedes Romans 8:26-27,

He can be grieved Ephesians 4:30.

He can be lied to Acts 5:3-4.

The Holy Spirit can be blasphemed see Matthew 12:31-32.

You cant blaspheme energy/inspiration/a-force, only a person.

---john9346 on 12/2/16


david8318 said, "ineptitude."The fact that you laughably raise 'Michael the archangel' issue proves your ineptitude."

David, Actually, I find it an ineptitude that you will not answer the question that has been asked of you...

In addition, the Watchtower teaches that the Lord Jesus Christ is Michael which the "Scriptures." clearly do not teach.

No one reading the bible for themselves would never arrive at such a conclusion.
---john9346 on 12/2/16


Jesus lists the Holy Spirit along with the Persons, Father and Son. Plus, the Holy Spirit has spoken personally, in the book of Acts. And the Holy Spirit shares God's own love with us who are His children >

"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5)

Therefore, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God's own love . . . a divine Person, then.

And the Holy Spirit "makes intercession for us" (Romans 8:26). This intercession is inter-Personal.

And there is the family image, of Father and Son and Holy Spirit > a family list needing three basic family Persons (c:
---Bill on 12/2/16


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The Bible in plain words says, Jesus is "the Son of God" > see 1 John 4:15. This says that whoever confesses this is "born of God". So, this is necessary, in any case.

Now, I offer > if Jesus is not divine, why would God be so concerned about a human being known to be His "Son"? Also, "God is love" > in 1 John 4:8 & 16. Doesn't love give its own best? So, why would God who is love send us some second-best being?
---Bill on 12/1/16


The Father is only a person in a philosophical sense.
The Holy Spirit isn't a person in any sense of the word.
The Word became a person only when it was made tangible in the person of Jesus. Therefore God in three persons has no basis.
I will state my belief for the final time, and I quote, there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him, and one Lord Jesus [the] Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Remember how God [the Father] anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil, for God was with him. Please don't add to this, it is complete as stated.
---Josef on 12/1/16


Joseph said, ""Without innuendo, how does denying the trinity deny Jesus?"

Your question has been answered Several Times...

Pay attention because I am going to state to you again.

"Because Jesus is God he is not the "Father." and the "Father." is not the "Son."

2 "Separate Persons." who make upthe the "Being of God."
---john9346 on 12/1/16


Concerning John 1:1 from another blog.

"Why is the logos or word called God?"

The Word expresses the Father's mental disposition and thought process. It is His divine, uttered expression of the Himself. The word represents how He thinks, and therefore represents Him. The Word discloses the I Am, of I Am that I Am. For as He declares Himself to be, so He becomes. He declares Himself to be creator, and His Word creates, He declares Himself to be savior, and His Word saves, He declares Himself to be healer, and His Word heals, He declare Him to be provider, and by His Word He provides, etc,etc,etc.
---Josef on 11/28/16


The Holy Spirit is only deity in that it was brought forth from Deity.
---Josef on 12/1/16


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So everyone understands who is reading to learn Joseph is a Modalist. Modalists deny the individuality of the "Trinity." (The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit)

Not sure of
Modalists believe in a complete "Oneness of the being of God."
---john9346 on 12/1/16


The Lord Jesus Christ of the bible identifies himself as separate from the "Father."

Jn 17:

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Note, Jesus's Words, "the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." Note distinction between the Father and the Son.


4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Note, Jesus's Words, "I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do." Note, distinction in who gave the work and who finished the work.
---john9346 on 12/1/16


Jn 17:5

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Note, Jesus's Words, " O Father," the Son praying to the Father note again distinction.

Listen to Jesus the Son's Prayer to the Father, "glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

Note, "I had with thee." and "before the world was."

The Father and the Son existed distinctly before the world was.
---john9346 on 12/1/16


Without innuendo, how does denying the trinity deny Jesus?
---Josef on 12/1/16

By denying the Trinity, you deny that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God. Saying that only the Father is God, and Jesus is a somewhat lesser being than the Father, created by the Father.

Nothing could be farther from the truth.

How could the Father when alone be love, (not have love but be love) without an object of that love?

According to John 1, there was never a time when the Father was alone. The Word has always been there, from the beginning, face to face in oneness with the Father.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/1/16


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"Good now who is speaking in Isa 43:10-11, and 13?"

The Father, Yehovah.

This was meant to read "Straw-man, where in all that I've written Have I denied the deity of Christ?" Again, Jesus, the fulness of Deity, In-bodied

"Yes, to deny the "Trinity." is to deny the "Deity of Christ."

I have already responded this, and you never answered my question.
"Without innuendo, how does denying the trinity deny Jesus?"
---Josef on 12/1/16


david 8318 states, "This doesn't teach Jesus is God!"

Sure it does,

"Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory, and he spoke about him." Jn 12:41(NWT)

This is a Direct Statement from Isa 6:1-5 where John applies the same attributes that is said of "Yahweh." to "The Lord Jesus Christ."

---john9346 on 12/1/16


Joseph states, "The one sent of the Father as Messiah, The Christ, The Anointed One."

Good now who is speaking in Isa 43:10-11, and 13?
---john9346 on 12/1/16


Joseph states, "Straw-man, were in all that I've written Have I denied the deity of Christ?"

Yes, to deny the "Trinity." is to deny the "Deity of Christ."


In the being of God (essence) there exist Father, Son, and Holy Spirit who are co equal, co eternal, and co existing, 3 distinct persons. The Father is not The Son, The Son is not The Father, and The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor is he the Son.

These 3 persons make up God not 3 different Gods, but only 1 true Living God.

---john9346 on 12/1/16


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David8318:

You wrote: So I am sure you are now going to show us where in the scriptures "trinity" and "Deity of Christ" are found.

Right before 1 Phlebotomists 3:16, the verse that says "Thou shalt not have blood transfusions".
---StrongAxe on 11/30/16


Straw-man, were in all that I've written Have I denied the deity of Christ?
---Josef on 11/30/16


Joseph,

Sir, its obvious you haven't read the verses you cited in context.

See below:

John1:1-3

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jn 2:19-21

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
---john9346 on 11/30/16


18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell,
---john9346 on 11/30/16


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questions that need to be answered:

1. Joseph who did John identify Jesus as being in Jn 1:1-3?

2. In Col 1 what does Paul say the fullness that dwell in Christ is?

3. Where in Jn c is John denying that Jesus is God??

4.I How is Lk 1:35 denying the Deity of Christ?

5. Joseph, tell us all who is the "IAm He." said of in "Scripture?"
---john9346 on 11/30/16


"Joseph tell us all who is the "IAm He." said of i "Scripture?"

The one sent of the Father as Messiah, The Christ, The Anointed One.
---Josef on 11/30/16


John9346.

The fact that you laughably raise 'Michael the archangel' issue proves your ineptitude. You opened this blog to highlight the un-Biblical 'trinity' dogma. If you want to discus the finer details of Michael, then open a blog based on that.

You cannot find one scripture to support your erroneous view that the trinity dogma is in scripture and necessary for salvation.

The reason being of course "trinity" and "deity of Christ" are no where to be found. Thus, it is not a basis for eternal salvation. Rather quite the opposite!

At least Michael is in scripture. Who he is, is a matter of interpretation. Trinity doesn't even come close to that!
---David8318 on 11/30/16


"Joseph, Did you read prior vs 1-13 of what John the apostle said about the Lord Jesus?
You cited Jn 3:34 did you read chapter 2 before chapter 3??
Did you actually read Col 2:9?
You cited Col 1:19 did you read prior 13-19??"
The question is did you?
"What is your point in referencing Lk 1:35?" That should be obvious.
---Josef on 11/30/16


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Joseph states, "That verse has nothing to do with my response."

Sure it does

The Lord Jesus Christ said, "for unless you believe that [f]I am He, you will die in your sins."

Joseph tell us all who is the "IAm He." said of i "Scripture?"
---john9346 on 11/30/16


Joseph,

Did you read prior vs 1-13 of what John the apostle said about the Lord Jesus?

You cited Jn 3:34 did you read chapter 2 before chapter 3??

Did you actually read Col 2:9?

You cited Col 1:19 did you read prior 13-19??

What is your point in referencing Lk 1:35?
---john9346 on 11/30/16


"But the Lord Jesus Christ responds to your explanation by stating, "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that [f]I am He, you will die in your sins." Jn 8:24
---john9346 on 11/29/16"


That verse has nothing to do with my response. Unless you can show how it does, It is simply an unfounded accusation. You are using a verse of scripture in an attempt to curse, what you don't seem to understand is you can't curse, what the Father has blessed. I will no longer respond to accusations or straw-man. If that the best you can do, then our exchange is done.
---Josef on 11/29/16


"\\Christ is the burden removing, yoke destroying,\\

Where did you get that idea?"


As I said, Christ represents Father's anointing, and as it is written " it shall come to pass in that day, that his (Satan's) burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing." Isa 10:27>Luk 4:18
---Josef on 11/29/16


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Cluny:

Josef wrote: Christ is the burden removing, yoke destroying,

You wrote: Where did you get that idea?

In Luke 4:17-21, Jesus reads at the synagogue, quoting Isaiah 61:1-2, then said, "This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."

The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek, he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound, To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, ...
---StrongAxe on 11/29/16


Joseph states, "That has nothing to do with denying Jesus. I explain what it means to deny Jesus in a previous post."

But the Lord Jesus Christ responds to your explanation by stating, "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that [f]I am He, you will die in your sins." Jn 8:24
---john9346 on 11/29/16


Joseph,

Did you read prior vs 1-13 of what John the apostle said about the Lord Jesus?

You cited Jn 3:34 did you read chapter 2 before chapter 3??

Did you actually read Col 2:9?

You cited Col 1:19 did you read prior 13-19??

What is your point in referencing Lk 1:35?
---john9346 on 11/29/16


david 8318 states, "This doesn't teach Jesus is God!"

Sure it does,

"Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory, and he spoke about him." Jn 12:41(NWT)

This is a Direct Statement from Isa 6:1-5 where John applies the same attributes that is said of "Yahweh." to "The Lord Jesus Christ."
---john9346 on 11/29/16


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John 1:1-18 Says the word is GOD the word is Jesus. Read Psalm 2. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Jeremiah 32:18 ... the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,
Hebrews 1:8-11 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/29/16


david8318,

Proove to us all from the "Scriptures." where Michael the archangel is the Lord Jesus Christ??
---john9346 on 11/29/16


\\Christ is the burden removing, yoke destroying,\\

Where did you get that idea?

Christ Himself said to take HIS yoke upon ourselves, "For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/29/16


John answers "Because Jesus is God he is not the "Father." and the "Father." is not the "Son."

That has nothing to do with denying Jesus. I explain what it means to deny Jesus in a previous post.

Jesus is the Word, (the divine expression of the Father), made flesh. The fullness of the Father's Spirit, bodily, and called the Son of God.
John 1:14>John 3:34>Col 2:9>Col 1:19>Luke 1:35>


As concerning this question, scripture makes no reference concerning this.

According to scripture, Christ is the burden removing, yoke destroying, power of God. Christ represents, and is, the Anointed one, and His anointing.
---Josef on 11/29/16


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//I have authority to receive it again.+ This commandment I received from my Father." (New World Translation) [Jo.10:18]// john9346.

This doesn't teach Jesus is God!

Jesus will receive his life again just as he received commandments from his Father [YHWH]. John9346 believes the one receiving is also the giver! Another oxymoron!

Almighty God [YHWH] brought Christ back to life- "For to this end Christ died and came to life again..."- Romans 14:9. There would be no reason to "come to life again" if Jesus was already alive!

John9346 silence on the scriptural location of "trinity" or "Deity of Christ" is deafening! They are not Bible teachings and will prevent salvation.
---David8318 on 11/29/16


Joseph asked, "Without innuendo, how does denying the trinity deny Jesus?"

Because Jesus is God he is not the "Father." and the "Father." is not the "Son."

2 "Separate Persons." who make upthe the "Being of God."
---john9346 on 11/29/16


david8318 ask, "That's a theological oxymoron. How can Jesus die and yet be "God" [YHWH] at the same time? Jesus is either eternal or he is not."

Sir, listen, the Lord Jesus tells you, "This is why the Father loves me,+ because I surrender my life,*+ so that I may receive it again. No man takes it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again.+ This commandment I received from my Father." (New World Translation)

Only "God." alone can do this...

---john9346 on 11/29/16


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