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What Filioquism Means

Someone on a previous blog brought up the question of Filioquism. He said that if you deny Filioquism, you deny the Trinity (even though the staunchly Trinitarian Eastern Orthodox have condemned Filioquism for centuries).

Does anyone here know what Filioquism means?

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//The Roman Catholic church has a mixed history with Jews whom they name Christ killers.//

No, I wrote quotes from LUTHER not CC.

//In the First Crusade thousands of Jews in Europe were murdered by Roman Catholics.//

1st Crusade and ALL 3 CRUSADES were AGAINST MUSLIMS not Jews.

//By Extra History. You should watch//

Not if they said Catholics were fighting the Jews for the Holy Land and NOT Muslims.

Everyone knows the Jewish people DIDN'T HAVE CONTROL over the Holy Land until 1947 after they were expelled in 70's A.D by the Romans.

//But Luther was supposed to die by the order of the Pope.---Samuelbb7

Be nice. That isn't TRUE.

CITE THAT ORDER as I cited his 'excommunication' Bull.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/20/16


Everything you wrote is true.

The Roman Catholic church has a mixed history with Jews whom they name Christ killers.

In the First Crusade thousands of Jews in Europe were murdered by Roman Catholics. But some other Roman Catholics leaders tried to save some of them.

There is a short course on the crusades online. By Extra History. You should watch it. It is short. You can watch a longer one some other time.

But Luther was supposed to die by the order of the Pope. Keep reading and studying.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 12/19/16


//and was to be executed.---Samuelbb7

According to Wikipedia Luther DIED OF NATURAL CAUSES:

***he began to feel the effects of angina...he awoke with more chest pain

An apoplectic stroke deprived him of his speech, and he died shortly afterwards at 2:45 a.m. on 18 February 1546, aged 62.

***Luther was excommunicated by Pope Leo X on 3 January 1521, in the bull Decet Romanum Pontificem..

All from Wikipedia
They also said he tried to DESTROY JEWS.

**In two of his later works, Luther expressed antagonistic views toward Jews, writing that Jewish homes and synagogues should be destroyed, their money confiscated, and liberty.. anti-Semitism...

Luther said, "..they are "our public ENEMIES
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/19/16


\\The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth. Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII\\

Can you give the FIRST name of Barclay and the title of the work this quote appeared?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/16


You may not think so. But that is what he wrote and others wrote down.

Like others before him and many afterward. He was declared heretic and was to be executed. For teaching that we are saved by Grace not works. For teaching that you cannot buy the right to commit a sin. Have you ever read the points he place on the door in Wittenberg?

There are good books on Luther and you can also read what Wikipedia says.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 12/18/16




//Look up the History.//

Catholics has the whole history of Luther. We have his Priesthood as a Catholic.

//Luther..Was whisked away to a Castle so he would not be murdered.//

Not from the Catholic Church.

After Luther broke away the Protestant War started WITHIN.

Kings and Queens USED Protestantism to control the people. Remember King Henry the VIII?

Once Luther broke away and self appointed leader of his new religion EVERYONE else decided they didn't need the Holy Spirit to tell them who should be in Charge anymore.

Happy Advent

//She followed him and eventually wore him down to marry her.---Samuelbb7

That's a good one, but I don't think their engagement happened that way. :D
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/17/16


//The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth. Pope Pius V,//

Thank you for your citations.

Please Google 'Catholic Point: Friday, October 19, 2012 Pope claimed to be God?

It will discredit all those citations with PROOF.

//Sorry, but I quoted three popes.//

No need to be sorry, now you can see HOW others lie on the Catholic Church. Very COMMON.

//Sins should be confessed ONLY to those we have sinned against.<.---Jerry6593br>
Now are you claiming to be GOD?

IT'S IN THE BIBLE! JESUS 20:23
"If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven, if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." - JESUS

Jesus DIDN'T give them the POWER TO READ MINDS!
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/17/16


Dear Nicole you have been misinformed. Look up the History. Luther after his declaration here I stand. Was whisked away to a Castle so he would not be murdered. He translated the Bible and went on preaching for several years.

I want you to look this up. So after several years a women who had left the Nunnery tracked him down. She followed him and eventually wore him down to marry her.

Again you don't have to believe me. Check it out. If you decide that you can trust me I have books on his life that I can quote these events from.

GOD BLESS you and Merry Christmas.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/17/16


Nicole: "Cite one Pope saying he is god on earth"

The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth. Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, Cities Petrus Bertanous.

Pope Nicholas I declared: the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who ,being God, cannot be judged by man.(Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can 7 Satis Evidentur Decret Gratian Primer Para)

We hold upon this earth the place of Almighty God Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20,1894

Sorry, but I quoted three popes.

Sins should be confessed ONLY to those we have sinned against. Sins against God should be confessed ONLY to God Himself - not to some man.



---Jerry6593 on 12/17/16


It is strange that Protestants ONLY KNOWS about a single issue of a dispute between the CC and the Orthodox and COMMENTS on it.

Jerry, that is the same as Catholics thinking Luther ONLY left the Catholic Church because he wanted to get marry. (Luther was a Catholic Priest)

For Luther to ONLY end up as the Pope of his own Church and naming the Church after himself.

SELF APPOINTED leader of his church.

//while ignoring the papal blasphemies of claiming to be God on earth//

Cite one Pope saying he is god on earth?

//forgiveness of sins---Jerry6593

John 20:23
If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven, if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven

Jesus didn't misspeak.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/16/16




BTW, Jerry, no RC source quotes the Pope as claiming to be God on earth, but lots of anti-Catholic sites do.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/15/16


\\Can you explain this, or do I get only insults out of you?
\\

I can easily give non-insulting answers to non-insulting questions, Jerry.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/14/16


\\ while ignoring the papal blasphemies of claiming to be God on earth,\\

This was not an issue at the time the Papacy left Orthodoxy over our refusal to accept its novelty of Filioque.

Besides the Pape claimed to be God on earth the same way "Vicarius Filius Dei" was displayed on the Papal Tiara (whicch wasn't adopted until after the Avignon papacy).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/14/16


cluny: It seems strange to me that the Orthos would break with the RCC over such a trivial doctrine as Filioquism, while ignoring the papal blasphemies of claiming to be God on earth, forgiveness of sins, and having the power to change God's Laws.

Can you explain this, or do I get only insults out of you?



---Jerry6593 on 12/14/16


Like I do with you, Jerry.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/10/16


cluny: Just pointing out the obvious.




---Jerry6593 on 12/10/16


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\\Thanks for the judgementalism, cluny. I guess God was busy, so He put you in charge.\\

Of course, you're NEVER judgemental with your own posts, are you, Jerry?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/9/16


cluny: "I don't expect you to understand this issue, Jerry. You need to be spiritually minded to do so."

Thanks for the judgementalism, cluny. I guess God was busy, so He put you in charge.



---Jerry6593 on 12/9/16


I don't expect you to understand this issue, Jerry. You need to be spiritually minded to do so.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/16


Ok, Cluny . . . so you gave the scripture which you mean. Thank you (c: John 15:26

While on earth Jesus said the Holy Spirit "proceeds" from our Heavenly Father.

However . . . now that Jesus is on the throne . . . and Jesus is our Head of whom we are members . . . the Holy Spirit is in and through Jesus, is He not, and then proceeding to us who are members in Jesus, is He not?

And if rivers of living water of the Holy Spirit proceed through us . . . doesn't the Holy Spirit also proceed among us, through one member to another?

Members of a body flow their blood to one another. I understand that the Holy Spirit is our love blood > Romans 5:5.
---Bill on 12/7/16


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In the words of Shakespeare -

Much Ado About Nothing.


Let's argue about the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin instead.



---Jerry6593 on 12/7/16


The issue of the Filoque is really a Eastern/Western mindset issue.

In our Western minds, we see the persons of the Trinity as distinct and separate. We see the issue as what person is proceeding from the other person and how that affects the hierarchy of the God-head.

Nothing could be further from the Eastern mindset.

The issue is one of Being or Essence, with the Spirit the same Being as the Father and the Son the same Being as the Father.

There is only one Being of God, inseparable, with three spoken-of persons.

The Spirit proceeds from the Being of the Father, just as the Son proceeds from the Being of the Father.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/6/16


Reuben, all you're doing is proving my point.

Have you read MYSTAGOGY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT by St. Photios?

And can you give any Eastern Fathers, with quotes from their writings, that taught double procession?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/6/16


There are actually TWO words in Greek that mean "proceed": PROINAI and POREVEI.

One can say in Greek that the Holy Spirit PROINAI from the Father and the Son, but that's NOT the word used in the Greek version of the creed, --

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/5/16

The Greek word use for proceed in John 15:26 and Rev 22:1 is ekporeuomai, to go forth, go out, depart.

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth G1607 from the Father, he shall testify of me:

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding G1607 out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
---Ruben on 12/6/16


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\\And he showed me a river of water of life, ...Recall Jesus words in John 7:38-39,

"He that believes in me [Jesus], as the scripture says: Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. AND NOW HE SAID THIS OF THE SPIRIT "\.

\\BTW- The same Greek word(proceed) use in John 15:26 is use in Rev 22:1\\

There are actually TWO words in Greek that mean "proceed": PROINAI and POREVEI.

One can say in Greek that the Holy Spirit PROINAI from the Father and the Son, but that's NOT the word used in the Greek version of the creed, which necessitates a SINGLE source for procession--otherwise you get heresy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/5/16


Without getting too complicated, in Greek to say that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son is basically Sabellianism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/16

Early Church Fathers from the west and EAST taught that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both, as does scripture!

"And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal,
proceeding from the throne of God AND of the Lamb." Rev 22:1

Recall Jesus words in John 7:38-39,

"He that believes in me [Jesus], as the scripture says: Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. AND NOW HE SAID THIS OF THE SPIRIT "

BTW- The same Greek word(proceed) use in John 15:26 is use in Rev 22:1
---Ruben on 12/5/16


Thank you, Reuben.

Yes, the sentence structure indicates that while Jesus SENDS the Holy Spirit, It PROCEEDS from the Father alone.

Without getting too complicated, in Greek to say that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son is basically Sabellianism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/16


cluny states, "The Orthodox do not deny that there is a manifestation IN TIME by the Son, who prays to the Father to send It.

Correction,, the word is "Him." not "It."
---john9346 on 12/4/16


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Jesus specifically referred to the "Comforter, Who proceedeth from the Father." He did NOT say "from the Father and Myself."

I'm sorry I'm having computer problems. Otherwise, I could provide the Scripture reference here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/3/16

Let me help you with it,

And he did not say from the Father only as while.

"But when the Paraclete comes, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he shall give testimony of me. (15:26)"
---Ruben on 12/4/16


\\
But you say, "according to His words", this is not so? \\

Jesus specifically referred to the "Comforter, Who proceedeth from the Father." He did NOT say "from the Father and Myself."

I'm sorry I'm having computer problems. Otherwise, I could provide the Scripture reference here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/3/16


Cluny . . . I quoted words of Jesus which I find can mean that the Holy Spirit proceeds from our Father in sharing with His Son.

But you say, "according to His words", this is not so? But you have not given us any quote or Bible reference of such words of Jesus. So, of course, you are welcome to do so (c:
---Bill on 12/3/16


\\So, do I understand correctly what you mean? And if so, why is this considered a heresy, if it fits with what Jesus Himself does say?\\

The Orthodox do not deny that there is a manifestation IN TIME by the Son, who prays to the Father to send It.

However, the ETERNAL PROCESSION of the Holy Spirit is from the Father alone, as Jesus said that the Comforter (Holy Spirit) proceeds from the Father alone, according to His own words.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/2/16


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. . . know what Filioquism means? ---Cluny on 11/29/16

Really Cluny? This flapping about over what this MAN promotes, or these MEN endorse, or that group of MEN champion, is about MEN!!! Why do it???

Humans use their bodies, yet seldom understand much of how it works. Does a man not understanding God, prevent Him from saving who He will?

Which of these MEN YOU TRUST can SAVE anybody??? Of what use then, is their being right or wrong? They argue to advance faith and trust in their analysis, not advocating FAITH and TRUST in God!!!

You can't fence sit!!! Serve God, or be in Hell with those MEN you trusted and promoted!!
---aservant on 12/2/16


It seems, Cluny, that it means that the Holy Spirit comes from our Father and Jesus.

And, in John 14:26, Jesus says, "the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name". So, I consider that if the Holy Spirit is sent by our Father and sent in the name of Jesus, then He proceeds from both.

So, do I understand correctly what you mean? And if so, why is this considered a heresy, if it fits with what Jesus Himself does say?
---Bill on 12/1/16


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