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Church Into A Mosque

How would you feel if your denomination turned your "church" building into a mosque?

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 ---Steveng on 12/7/16
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In Constanopal this did happen. The famous church became a famous mosque. In a matter of good stewardship, and a matter of brotherly love, I think it will be a nice experiment to share buildings of worship.
---mike4879 on 2/10/17


The "non-denominationals" ...think THEY alone possess the truth, ...
---StrongAxe on 12/28/16

The Non Denom is not a sworn member, covenanting / pledging to uphold denom decree's that a new or elder Christian may not find to be witnessed to their satisfaction in scripture.
Look at the division caused in that Steven or myself are not labeled or "tagged" as a denom.
You have an issue because he is a "Free" Christian?

Rom 14:1-23 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
---Trav on 2/9/17


Do you mean "TIME SHARE" the same facility with Muslims who will worship there at a different day or hour?
---mike4879 on 2/4/17


Ephesians 2:18 - For through him we both have one spirit unto the Father
2:19 - Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, But fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God
2:20 - And being built upon the foundation of the apostles and the prophets Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone,
2:21 - In whom all the buildings fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord,
2:22 - In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God though spirit,
---RichardC on 2/4/17


The Bible uses Greek "ekklesia" - body of believers. English "church" translates this, but can ALSO refer to a religious building. The two words are NOT identical. This is a reality one must be aware of when translating from one language to another - many words in one language only approximate words in another. They even vary from one dialect to another (e.g. "boot" means footware in the U.S., but in the U.K. it can also mean the trunk of a car).
---StrongAxe on 1/2/17

Yes, it does good work strongaxe my friend.
---john9346 on 2/2/17




StrongAxe wrote "If you mean Greek "ekklesia", it also has multiple meanings. It can mean the entire body of believers, but it can also refer to specific smaller groups (e.g. "the seven churches in Asia" from Revelation)."

But they are not buildings or denominations as you define "church."

The "churches" in Revelation are not "churches" in your way of thinking, they are simply locations of certain groups of christians. They are not a building or denomination. If you asked me to go see a group of christians, I would ask, "Where is this group located?" They didn't have denominations in Jesus' time.
---Steveng on 1/9/17


Steveng:

Which "original" do you mean? "Church" is an English word that didn't even exist until many hundreds of years after the Bible was written.

If you mean Greek "ekklesia", it also has multiple meanings. It can mean the entire body of believers, but it can also refer to specific smaller groups (e.g. "the seven churches in Asia" from Revelation).

That you stubbornly refuse to even consider the complexity of language that happens during translation shows YOU have an attitude of "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts". An attitude that prefers delusion over truth is much closer to the father of lies than to the one who said "I am the truth".
---StrongAxe on 1/8/17


You people are so brainwashed by satan that you believe the the word "church" means everything, but its original meaning.
---Steveng on 1/8/17


Steveng, you say other Christians are divided by their denominations, and here you are trying to divide the Christians by your comments aimed at everyone who does not do what you do.
Any earthly building becomes a Church when a born again Christian enters it. It can be any building, house, cave. Without any Christians the building is just a building.
If there is no born again Christians in a denominational church, then it is not a Church. Just check the churches in Revelation.
---Luke on 1/3/17


Steveng:

The Bible uses Greek "ekklesia" - body of believers. English "church" translates this, but can ALSO refer to a religious building. The two words are NOT identical. This is a reality one must be aware of when translating from one language to another - many words in one language only approximate words in another. They even vary from one dialect to another (e.g. "boot" means footware in the U.S., but in the U.K. it can also mean the trunk of a car).

You can choose to be blissfully unaware of such "complicated" things if you like, but if you do, you risk misunderstanding people - and if you take issue to their use of language, the error is yours, not theirs.
---StrongAxe on 1/2/17




StrongAxe,

There is a burden of having too much knowledge. Ecclesiasties 1:18 So let's keep it simple. According to the bible there is only one meaning of the word "church" - the body of believers, nothing more.
---Steveng on 1/1/17


Steveng:

In the English language, the word "church" can be used in different ways (as I showed). You can talk about "the true church" and refer to one of those ways, but the other two ways are also valid uses of the word (just as "minister" can mean "servant", "religious official", or "government official").

Many words in many languages have multiple meanings, and people who are fluent in those languages are capable of distinguishing between different meanings from context (e.g. "I cleaned my shoes with Polish shoe polish.") Just because YOU use one meaning of "church" doesn't mean everyone who uses one of the different meanings of the word is wrong.
---StrongAxe on 1/1/17


StrongAxe wrote: ""church" today can mean The Body of Christ.., a specific body of believers, or a building."

The true "church is NOT a SPECIFIC body of believers nor is it a building nor is it a denomination. Just by it's use tells you that it isn't the same as in Jesus' time (even within the same denomination): "What church do you belong?" "Our church has a great pastor." "Our church has a great Christmas/Easter program." "Our church has many activities." "Our church..."

Every member of every denomination is guilty of dividing christiandom up into over sixty thousand denominations.

The true church of God ARE the christians! Nothing more.
---Steveng on 12/31/16


//The "non-denominationals" above are just as judgmental and schismatic as any in any denomination, as they think THEY alone possess the truth, while holding other brothers in contempt and call them heretics.---StrongAxe on 12/28/16

INDEED!

Plus whether they admit it or not it is still an denomination.

It is just 'filed' under 'non-denomination' section.

They have sets of rules, and their congregation use the word 'Church' as other denomination.

If you ask them did they were Sunday morning they will say "I was at Church".

They don't say "I was in my non-denomination."
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/29/16


Steveng:

"church" today can mean The Body of Christ (as in the Bible), a specific body of believers, or a building.

Your constant venom over "denominations" splits Christians into two groups:
Denominationals who incorrectly believe their way of believing is right and everyone else's is wrong, and non-denominationals who correctly believe their way of believing is right and all denominations are wrong. Except for the word "denomination", these both believe exactly the same way.

The "non-denominationals" above are just as judgmental and schismatic as any in any denomination, as they think THEY alone possess the truth, while holding other brothers in contempt and call them heretics.
---StrongAxe on 12/28/16


Luke wrote: ".., and it will be those who never committed their lives to Christ."

It is expressly written that there will be a great falling away from the faith. One must have faith to begin with before one is fallen away, eh? Re-read the parable of the seeds.

As for denominations: Satan has had over two thousand years to infiltrate and divide christiandom up into over sixty thousand worldly denominations each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible. Is Christ divided?

The word "church" has a completely different meaning today than in Jesus' time. Just by the way the word "church" is used says that every denomination is worldly.
---Steveng on 12/27/16


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Steveng. what I wrote was not a nice idea, it was the Truth from the word of God. What you want to critize again is the denominations because you say you don't belong to one, and that instead you are the true church because you meet instead at your house or someone else's house. That doesn't make you any better Christians.
Second there will be a falling away, and it will be those who never committed their lives to Christ. They are mentioned in 1 John 2:19
"They went from out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us, but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us"
---Luke on 12/26/16


StrongAxe, since books have been written about your question, I can hardly answer it in 125 words.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/26/16


Cluny:

You wrote: It's only in the Orthodox Church that Christ is not divided.

How does the Orthodox church differ from the Catholic church in this regard, or, for that matter, any other churches that are equally old, but are not affiliated either with Rome or with Orthodoxy?
---StrongAxe on 12/25/16


Luke,
Nice idea, but what you wrote isn't happening in the real world today. Sure, a few people are turning to Christ, but these are the end days where a great falling away is happening at this very moment. Have you not read biblical prophesy?

As for the word "church," it doesn't mean what it did during Jesus' time just by the way it's used by counterfeit christians, denominational christians. For example, "I didn't see you in church this morning," "Our church has a great sound system," "Our church has a great pastor," Our church has a great Christmas/Easter program," Our church has many activities," (english classes, sports clubs, you name it)
---Steveng on 12/25/16


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Steveng, denominations do not matter to God. What matters is the heart. Why? Because God is the One who changes it. He only changes the hearts of those He chose before the foundation of the world. And they are coming to Christ everyday as they are being changed by the Holy Spirit when they hear the word of their salvation, the Gospel.
And they will continue to come to Christ every single day all over the world. They are the church, One body with Jesus as the Head of that body of believers.
Some here claim they are the true church, but the true church are the true believers no matter where they are at.
---Luke on 12/22/16


steveng....What is your source for this information?
---KarenD on 12/21/16


\\"I am lutheran," "I am catholic," "I am orthodox," "I am protestant." Is Christ divided?\\

No. It's only in the Orthodox Church that Christ is not divided.

//Churches also spends over 80% of their income/donations on maintaining these worldly assets. \\

What is your source for this factoid, Steveng? Or are you jealous because your worldly denominational "church" doesn't have a building?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/21/16


I asked because some churches - of all denominations - are sharing their buildings with muslims - that's SHARING - as I have been reading in the news lately.

Luke,
The word "church" has a completely different meaning today than in Jesus' time. The church is a building or denomination just by the way it's used: "I didn't see you in church today," "Our church has a great sound system." "What church do you belong to."

"I am lutheran," "I am catholic," "I am orthodox," "I am protestant." Is Christ divided?

Churches also spends over 80% of their income/donations on maintaining these worldly assets. Is God's true church built by man's hands?
---Steveng on 12/20/16


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Steveng, in answer to your question, I stopped to think why you would ask that question and I feel that because you have services in a home that question does not apply to you. But let me tell you what a makes a building a church. The building is just for the believers to gather together.
The building becomes a church when a believer enters the building. Without the believers in it, it is just an empty building. We are the church, the building is not the Church.
---Luke on 12/20/16


I agree with Karen.

Only a SOLD Church can be turned into a Mosque.

I have seen Sold Catholic Churches turned into Protestant Churches all the time.

Even turned into a Business.

All sacred items are removed before it is sold.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/9/16


Federal discrimination laws forbid not selling property because of religion.
---KarenD on 12/9/16


I would think that God is upset with that leadership.

Amos 3:6 . . . shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Is 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
---aservant on 12/9/16


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Go elsewhere.

We are homeless > we rent, so in case the owners sold to Muslims, we'd just move along, I think.

But our rent helps keep the building improved. So, they might not stop for financial reasons.

A group in a denomination, in my town, would not sell to a church. It is their denomination's policy, I was told. It became a day care business.

So, I might get a lesson not to let money be able to decide things for me. It seems some groups get buildings which are much more than they should need to handle.
---Bill on 12/9/16


How would a church be turned into a mosque unless it was sold?
---KarenD on 12/8/16


It's the mahometans that do that. It has happened to Orthodox a lot and still happens.

The real question, Steveng, is how would you feel of the mahometans turned YOUR worldly denominational "church" into a mosque?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/16


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