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Love Is Patient

What does this passage mean to you personally?

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

1 Corinthians 13:4-5

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//Don't be so naive. Try reading the "communist manifesto." It will open your eyes to what is happening in the world//

Our founding Fathers has being warning us that from the beginning.

Read their letters.

Communism is only a clever way of replacing Kings/Queens.

Dictator or a King is the same.

Socialism is lite Communism.

Capitalism is the only way.

//you probably think denominational churches are not corrupt - especially the roman catholic church.---Steveng on 1/15/17

Why would you think that?

People are corrupt not the Church. Corrupt people are everywhere.

Even one of the 12 men Jesus PICKED was corrupt!

Jesus didn't disbanded the discipleship.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/15/17


Nicole_Lacey,

What they teach in school is that the government is there for their own good.

What the government is actually doing is a whole lot worse that you could ever imagine - even in the United States. Don't be so naive. Try reading the "communist manifesto." It will open your eyes to what is happening in the world. My dad taught us kids that the communist have been taking over the government and the educational system since the 1930s.

And you probably think denominational churches are not corrupt - especially the roman catholic church.

Some search phrases:

"the corrupt government"
"the corrupt church"
"lies of obama"
"lies of government"
---Steveng on 1/15/17


//Do your own research instead of making assumptions.---Steveng on 1/11/17

???

There isn't any research needed.

I learned civics in the 8th grade.

I learned about the IRS in high school.

Cluny even tried to tell you about the IRS.

Do you also think people in France have to file their taxes to our IRS by April 15th as well?
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/11/17


Nicole_Lacey wrote: "Now you are claiming ALL business owners knows that the IRS has it's tentacles in everything financial of the world."

It seems you have an issue adding words to peoples posts. I did not write "ALL."

Nicole_Lacey wrote: "Just admit that you are WRONG about the capacity of the IRS with other Countries."

Do your own research instead of making assumptions.
---Steveng on 1/11/17


//Nicole_Lacey wrote "If you are correct then you have sensitive info regarding that matter."

Not really. It's common knowledge especially by business owners. All it takes is a little research.---Steveng on 1/10/17

Stay focus.

Now you are claiming ALL business owners knows that the IRS has it's tentacles in everything financial of the world.

Just admit that you are WRONG about the capacity of the IRS with other Countries.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/11/17




Nicole_Lacey wrote "If you are correct then you have sensitive info regarding that matter."

Not really. It's common knowledge especially by business owners. All it takes is a little research.
---Steveng on 1/10/17


//I'm not claiming any such thing.// (Spy)

I am dealing with reality. You are the one claiming the IRS has its 'tentacles' in everything financial.

Remember the 'one world' claim?

//The IRS not only monitors everything in the US, but also everything financial, every country, in the world. It's got its tentacles in everything financial. How do you suppose the one world government is to be created without monitoring every financial dealings in the world.---Steveng on 1/8/17

If you are correct then you have sensitive info regarding that matter.

Keep it to yourself.

//Assuming will get you into a lot a trouble.---Steveng

No, giving out TOO MUCH info will get you into a lot of trouble.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/10/17


Nicole_Lacey wrote "..., we are not denying the possibility of the USA Government spying other Countries."

I not saying anything about "spying."

Nicole_Lacey wrote "IRS is ONLY for American dealings."

No, that's how much you know about the IRS.

Nicole_Lacey wrote "If you are claiming to be a SPY working in the Agency that spies on other Countries. Then you are a BAD SPY!"

Do you have a problem? I'm not claiming any such thing. Only in your mind.

I suggest you stop assuming until you get real facts. Assuming will get you into a lot a trouble.
---Steveng on 1/9/17


Trav ...there is a New Covenant given to Israel, however, you have forgotten Pauls ministry to the gentiles (Nations/Ethnos of Nth House of Israel, put away)... and Romans 11 just to name a few ...
---kathr4453 on 12/26/16

Paul would not have you remain ignorant below kat, it is a stubborn choice you make.
Rom 11:1 ...Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite,...
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Nations/Ethnos (of Lost Sheep of the Northern House of Israel) be come in.
Nations/Ethnos = Israel put away, divorced, lost sheep etc.
---Trav on 1/9/17


Steveng, we are not denying the possibility of the USA Government spying other Countries.

Every Country spies on other Countries.

IRS is ONLY for American dealings.

They are NOT the Agency that spies on other Countries.

The point I am claiming is that YOU as a reporter DID NOT have access to the Vatican's financial affairs.

If you are claiming to be a SPY working in the Agency that spies on other Countries. Then you are a BAD SPY!

You shouldn't be online telling people on the documents you obtained during your spy days.

Did you also advise Podesta to use the word 'Password' as his password?
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/9/17




Nicole_Lacey and Cluny,

"But I can assure you it does NOT monitor the Vatican, as that is a sovereign state."

The IRS not only monitors everything in the US, but also everything financial, every country, in the world. It's got its tentacles in everything financial. How do you suppose the one world government is to be created without monitoring every financial dealings in the world.
---Steveng on 1/8/17


The IRS may or may not examine the financial dealings of US Dioceses, or even parishes.

But I can assure you it does NOT monitor the Vatican, as that is a sovereign state.

Happy New Year!
---Cluny on 1/4/17


//Nicole_Lacey wrote: "The IRS doesn't monitor the Vatican ' s financial affairs.

It does. Many catholics in the US have financial dealings with the Vatican.//

Not all Catholics are citizens of Vatican City.

99.99999% of Catholics live all over the world.

The IRS only monitors Catholics that are citizens of America.

I am Catholic, but the Vatican CAN NOT count my income as their income.

They CAN'T even count Catholic Dioceses incomes in America as their own income.

You are mistaken

//they monitor all churches in the US and the headquarters of each.--Steveng

Only if the headquarters are in America. Dioceses' income in a any country doesn't MIX with the Vatican's income.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/4/17


Nicole_Lacey wrote: "The IRS doesn't monitor the Vatican ' s financial affairs.

It does. Many catholics in the US have financial dealings with the vatican.

IRS is an American Government Agency.

And they monitor all churches in the US and the headquarters of each.

Nicole_Lacey wrote: "That's like saying the IRS knows Germany ' s Economy.

It does for the same reason above.
---Steveng on 1/3/17


// Nicole_Lacey wrote: "Not again CITE YOUR SOURCES. You being a reporter DOEN'T COUNT.

The IRS. Although I do read CCs financial statements and quarter/annual tax forms we use IRS Form 990 which details income and expenses - even citing donor's names. I started with the local "churches" and worked my way up.//

???

The IRS doesn't monitor the Vatican ' s financial affairs.

It is a country in itself.

IRS is an American Government Agency.

That's like saying the IRS knows Germany ' s Economy.

//What with? Repeated prayers that are in vain?--Stevengon 1/2/17

So Jesus was wrong with the 'Lord's Prayer'?
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/3/17


Nicole_Lacey wrote: "Not again. CITE YOUR SOURCES. You being a reporter DOEN'T COUNT.

The IRS. Although I do read CCs financial statements and quarter/annual tax forms we use IRS Form 990 which details income and expenses - even citing donor's names. I started with the local "churches" and worked my way up.

Nicole_Lacey wrote: "I think you are mad because the CC doesn't recognize your descent."

Huh? As in my "downward fall" or my "family origin." Maybe CC doesn't care, but God does - to both.

Nicole_Lacey wrote: "She prays with you instead.

What with? Repeated prayers that are in vain?
---Steveng on 1/2/17


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The Salvation Army is another large organization who RECEIVES FUNDS FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Ask them if you dare?

Fact: The Catholic Church is the LARGEST Organization/Nation in the world.

Because we CARE!

As I said, don't get mad surpass us.

The CC doesn't mind if another organization surpass us.

2nd place is okay with Her because the poor benefit.

Until someone or some organization MAKES us 2nd, we will continue to be 1st because we will NOT reject the poor.

You see, when someone LIES on the Catholic Church, it has to be thrown in their face how much the Catholic Church LOVES and CARES for the poor.

ACTION is required.

TALK IS CHEAP.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/2/17


//In 1987, the catholic church was worth a whole lot more than seventeen trillion dollars //

Not again. CITE YOUR SOURCES. You being a reporter DOEN'T COUNT.

//Not all,(excommunication listed) but only a few to satisfy the concerns of its members.//

ALL.
If it isn't listed, it NEVER HAPPENED!

Only a few have been Officially excommunicated by the CC and they are listed. Only for those who can lead multiple astray. Leaders.

You can go right now and find Henry VIII bull of excommunication on Vatican.va

I think you are mad because the CC doesn't recognize your descent.

She cares, but She isn't going to argue with you. She prays with you instead.

Faith comes from God.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/2/17


I think it depends on the area you live. The Salvation Army is another large organization who helps the homeless poor and needy. So to say ALL ask and go to the Catholic Church is not accurate. It might be for someone who is Catholic to think so, however there are many non denominational organizations who have shelters, food, clothing etc.

So on the truth-o_meter.....NO not ALL go or ask for or are referred to the Catholic Church.
---kathr4453 on 1/2/17


Nicole_Lacey,

In 1987, the catholic church was worth a whole lot more than seventeen trillion dollars (as far as I researched anyway). It spends over 83% of its annual eighty five billion dollar revenue in maintaining its assets (real estate, income properties, stock, bonds, treasury notes,

Would the catholic church (or any denominational church) sell all its possessions to feed the poor?

Nicole_Lacey wrote: "ALL EXCOMMUNICATION are listed in Vatican.VA website."

Not all, but only a few to satisfy the concerns of its members.
---Steveng on 1/1/17


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Sorry, but the Catholic Church is the BIGGEST Organization/Nation (Remember Vatican is a Country) in the WORLD!

I have a friend who worked in the UN on behalf of the America who said the majority charable donations given to the UN COMES FROM CATHOLIC CHARITIES in America.

ALL STILL COMES FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!

If this makes you upset, by all means PLEASE surpass us.

The World has plenty of needy people for EVERYONE to feed.

//Besides, most would go the a church closest//

Not most, ONLY some.

//Unless one is excommunicated from the catholic church at the age of eight for asking too many questions. ---Steveng

A LIE. ALL EXCOMMUNICATION are listed in Vatican.VA website.

PROVE IT!
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/1/17


Nicole_Lacey Wrote: "...they ALWAYS go to the Catholic Church.

...they ALL would say the Catholic Church."

Most would say they would go to the government, unless, of course, you are mistaking the government for the catholic church. Besides, most would go the a church closest to where they are no matter what denomination.

Nicole_Lacey Wrote: "We have a reputation of love for centuries..."

Unless one is excommunicated from the catholic church at the age of eight for asking too many questions.
---Steveng on 12/31/16


john1944,

Apology accepted.
---Steveng on 12/31/16


If anyone in the whole world is hurt, needs help, hungry, or need assistance they always go to the Catholic Church.

Go into any City and ask any one who is homeless if they only had to go to one Church.

Just one that would help them? Non Catholics, Jews, Atheists they all would say the Catholic Church.

We have a reputation of love for centuries and we will continue until Jesus returns

Happy New Year
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/31/16


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So often we hear we are suppose to be so overtaken by love, that we've lost our ability to stand up for truth. Jesus Himself who Is LOVE also rebuked the Pharisees and had harsh and unkind things to say to them as well. But to follow Paul's lead , who said, be followers of me the way I am of Christ must also include being able to confront without fear. And to confront so much you don't fear death if that is the consequences of speaking the truth. My point is some people misapply 1 Cor 13 to shame and try to put a muzzle on people. Or they use it sending a mixed message to those who are totally contrary to scripture, just by wanting to be Good ol agreeable Joe. That kind of love??? Is dishonest and what is called flattery and duplicity.
---kathr4453 on 12/28/16


We also need to remember the boldness of those during the reformation who were willing to lay down their lives for what they believed. And praise God for these men and woman who, because of them, the world is no longer ignorant under the cruel thumb of the RCC. We also need to remember that there was no LOVE when the RCC was in control and murdered and persecuted anyone who did not bow down to them. Paul and the apostles NEVERTHELESS taught that Christians were to do that.
---kathr4453 on 12/28/16


Steveng, I take back what I said. You are not disturbed about anything. I apologize for saying you were.
---john1944 on 12/27/16


Seems some on CN are equating themselves to Jesus.

Why are people making excuses for bad behaviors.

No one can make you be envious, boast, proud, dishonor others, selfish, quick temper and keeping records of other's wrong deeds.

The only right Paul demanded was to be treated as Roman Prisoner to convert Romans.

Still a prisoner and got the death penalty.

Who said you can't publicly correct the leader of the Church?

How does that give anyone permission to be unkind, envious, boastful, proud, dishonor others, selfish, have a quick tempered and keeping records of other's wrong deeds?

It's okay to keep records of wrong deeds of others, but we DON'T want Jesus to keep a record of our wrong deeds?
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/27/16


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1 Corinthians 13 is the fruit of the Spirit in action. It comes through being conformed to the image of Jesus Christ, with a renewed mind. This doesn't happen to us overnight, but is a life long learning experience of walking in the Spirit with the mind of Christ. It's all super natural and cannot be achieved in the flesh.

But it also doesn't mean Christians are suppose to let themselves be punching bags either. When Paul was falsely thrown into prison as a Roman citizen, he demanded his rights. Paul also stood up to Peter PUBLICALLY.
---kathr4453 on 12/27/16


john1944,

Just curious. Why would you wrongly assume that I'm "disturbed about so many things on here?" Give a few examples.


Why would you wrongly assume I fear people. I fear no one, but God. People may do wrong to my body and even kill this body of mine, but I fear God because he can kill the body AND the soul.

You would make the same false assumptions by "wondering" too much even if Jesus were on these blogs, eh?

Note: I would suggest sticking with scripture not based upon what you are "wondering," but not to spread false testimony about things you are not absolutely, positively sure about much like cluny and a few others.
---Steveng on 12/27/16


//Perfect love casts out fear. If you have love, you have nothing to fear from anybody on these blogs.---john1944 on 12/26/16

AMEN!

Perfect Love is Perfect Trust in Jesus.

I had a Priest who told us to replace the word 'love' with our first name in 1 Cor 13:4-5

It showed me how I been falling SHORT.

Thanks for asking the question.

It reminded me of the Priest's advice.

Everyone knows from my posts on CN that I am personally guilty.

Thank God, MERCY is HIS 2nd NAME!
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/27/16


John, why are you so disturbed others don't want to accept your doctrine? Or church fathers? Maybe you should apply the same advise you have given here to Steveng.

The difference between you and Steveng is Steveng CARES about the lost. You don't. So with that, maybe you should keep your personal cold hearted beliefs to yourself and not question or judge another man's servant. You could actually begin OBEYING SCRIPTURES, by letting this be your very first thing you have chosen to obey.
---kathr4453 on 12/27/16


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Steveng, I was wondering, because you seem so disturbed about so many things on here. Perfect love casts out fear. If you have love, you have nothing to fear from anybody on these blogs.
---john1944 on 12/26/16


Trav certainly there is a New Covenant given to Israel, however, you have forgotten God made a Covenant with Abraham long before there was an Israel, which promises were never annulled. If perhaps you read all of scripture and understood Pauls ministry to the Gentiles... ( Galatians, Ephesians ) just for starters and Romans 11 just to name a few places you would have a hard time blacking out of your Bible, that the CHURCH , both Jew and Gentile are under the Abrahamic covenant, where the Nation Israel, during the 1000 year reign will be under the New Covenant. But also the Church today benefits from aspects of the New Covenant, see 2 Cor 3.
---kathr4453 on 12/26/16


Luke wrote: "... today's world is the same as in the time of Christ."

The world has completely changed. Today's technological changes changed people's heart to stone. The meaning of the word "church" has completely changed.

Luke wrote: "... Not to save the whole world, but to save those He calls who are lost."

God wants everyone saved.

john1944 wrote: "Steveng, are you patient, kind, and not easily angered?"

Ask my friends, acquaintances, neighbors and co-workers and they will say "yes." They will also say that I'm the most content person they know. What God has to say is another story.
---Steveng on 12/26/16


Trav, I think you posted on the wrong blog.
---john1944 on 12/26/16


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...who believe like Travis in the Two House doctrine...
---kathr4453 on 12/16/16

Lets outline what I know rather than have it twisted across your loving lips kat.

I believe: Mat_15:24 he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Heb_8:8...saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel "AND" with the house of Judah:

Heb_8:10... the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel..., I will put my laws into their mind, write them in their hearts: I will be to them a God...:

kat,I find no sign of these laws in your self proclaimed "jewish" heart or lawless mind. I see willful disregard, bitterness and self deception .
---Trav on 12/26/16


"keeps no record of wrongs"

I think this does not mean we totally forget wrong things, but in our attitude we are not holding things against people. But, instead, we stay with testing every thing in order to make God's use of it. And the evil is not allowed, then, to have power over us to control and decide if we love and forgive or not, and what we do or don't do. But love decides (c:

"Test all things, hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

We test each thing, not only for if it is good or not, but for what good we can make of it, with God . . . for His intention, like Joseph did > Genesis 37-50.
---Bill on 12/26/16


3 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
---kathr4453 on 12/24/16


It means love makes us patient while we go through things, but also kind . . . not deeply struggling to hold in nasty anger. But the patience in God's love is pleasant. And His love makes us creative in our patience . . . like how a master craftsperson is steady in doing a masterpiece . . . so we are being creative in how we handle problems.
---Bill on 12/22/16


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God is love,

so these are either attributes of Him, or descriptions of what does not characterize Him or come from Him.

None can do, have, be without the Father as all such good things come from Him.
---Chria9396 on 12/23/16


Steveng, you say,
"In today's world people are not patient, people are not kind. They envy, they boast, they are proud. They dishonor others, they are self-seeking, they are easily angered, They keep records of wrongs others have done to them."
Steveng, today's world is the same as in the time of Christ. It is a fallen world. It hasn't changed at all. The very reason why Christ came. Not to save the whole world, but to save those He calls who are lost. The rest will remain lost. The lost love what they are doing.
The love in a true believer is the Holy Spirit. All genuine believers have that love. Are you saying the church of Christ does not have love?
---Luke on 12/22/16


Steveng, are you patient, kind, and not easily angered?
---john1944 on 12/21/16


What does this passage mean to you personally...1 Corinthians 13:4-5?
---john1944 on 12/20/16

The entire passage on love is the very heart of God.

This is the relationship of the Trinity. Without malice, without selfishness, without envy, other-centered, self-giving love.

The Father loves and is proud of the Son, the Son wants and does everything the Father asks of Him, and the Holy Spirit bathes them both in the joy of fellowship.

Oh, that we could really understand and desire this kind of fellowship with each other. We would need to drop all selfishness, truly forgive each other, and walk each day doing our best for God and for others around us.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/21/16


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Steveng, yes, but what does it mean to you personally?
---john1944 on 12/21/16


"What does this passage mean to you personally?

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
" Exactly what is says.
---josef on 12/21/16


It means that "love" (as in the verb form) has practically evaporated from the face of the world which will usher in the anti-christ.

In today's world people are not patient, people are not kind. They envy, they boast, they are proud. They dishonor others, they are self-seeking, they are easily angered, They keep records of wrongs others have done to them.

Sure, so-called counterfiet christians know the definition of love, but rarely put it to use. They have the knowledge of God, but deny his power.
---Steveng on 12/20/16


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