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A Very Dirty Family

A family I've known for years is dirty. Kitchen & bath are dirty. Toilet is covered in feces. He picks his nose, sneezes in his hands. She wipes her raw sores then handles food. I am fed up. I need to dis-associate myself...but how? Do I just slowly back away or should I give a reason?

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//Jesus says to help others, he didn't say how. Just help them.---Christalon 2/6/17

I don't think the family is asking for her help to clean up.

She is asking should she dis-associate with them and how.

Keep in touch via phone, facebook if you are on facebook or the like.

Associate in a distance until they do ask for help.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/6/17


You could offer to help them clean up. Jesus says to help others, he didn't say how. Just help them.
---Christal on 2/6/17


//You wrote: StrongAxe, yes Jesus DID avoid them.

Oh really? Then how did they get close enough for him to heal them? ---StrongAxe on 12/31/16

???

You do know Jesus is God and can do anything, right?

He healed them at a DISTANCE

Luke 17:12-14 As He was going into a village, ten men who had leprosy met him. They stood at a DISTANCE and called out in a loud voice, Jesus, Master, have pity on us!

When He SAW them, He said, Go, show yourselves to the priests. And AS THEY WENT, THEY WERE CLEANSED.

See, Jesus obeys all the Jewish Laws.

Jesus DIDN'T touch them because they were not clean.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/31/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: StrongAxe, yes Jesus DID avoid them.

Oh really? Then how did they get close enough for him to heal them?
---StrongAxe on 12/31/16


StrongAxe, yes Jesus DID avoid them.

That's why I asked if you thought Jesus didn't know where Lepers lived?

Jesus obeyed the law and shunned Lepers.

They came to Him. He didn't deny their request because He came to fulfill Scriptures by healing the Lepers and others who came to Him.

Jesus NEVER lifted the shunning ban as He lifted the dietary laws.

Mike, I understand your post, but the examples given above isn't the same.

Everyone knows to sneeze into their arm or shoulder if you can't grab a tissue. Not your hands.

If she can handle food, she can wash her hands after wiping her raw sores.

But you are right about the dirty kitchen and bathroom. People can be too sick to clean them.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/30/16




re: lepers

Lepers could no more harm Jesus, than could the snake harm Paul. The greater the measure of the indwelling Spirit, the less one sins, the greater one's dominion to command terrestrial bodies and all things mortal. The less one sins, the less one is subject to sickness, disease, and injury.

Mt 28:18 . . . All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

This means ALL power over everything. Remember, Jesus created EVERYTHING - Col 1:16.
---aservant on 12/30/16


Nicole_Lacey:

I wrote: regardless, Jesus did NOT go away from the lepers.

You wrote: Yes He did. Are you suggesting Jesus DIDN'T know where the Lepers lived?

I never said he didn't. However, when the lepers approached him, he did not avoid them, as most people would normally do.
---StrongAxe on 12/30/16


There may be other problems. I visited a couple. She was 500 pounds and had mobility issues. Her husband had respiratory problems and had oxygen tank at his side always with him. Their tiny confined house was dirty through and through and hard to move in. Neither were in a position to clean. Shall we disassociate with them? Or help them to clean? A man at church has a skin condition which bothers me. I want to wash my hands after shaking his. When we exchange the peace and greet others, am I to avoid him? Is it right to disassociate with these people?
---mike4879 on 12/30/16


"Backing away slowly" may help you, but not them. What you should do is have a serious talk with the wife, (if there is one), an point out the health dangers. Tell her to try "cleaning up" daily for at least 30 days, but she is not to say anything to the rest of the family unless they ask questions during the 30 days. After the 30 days if they don't follow her example, have her talk to one other member of family concerning the advantages she has experienced. (But she can't "preach" or act "holier than thou" in her attitude"
---WIVV on 12/29/16


You might write them an anonymous "love" letter, that would include Scripture about cleanliness. You could also include a prayer to the Father asking Him to remove Satan's infestation from their hearts and minds, so that they might become acceptable to Him.
---aservant on 12/29/16




//regardless, Jesus did NOT go away from the lepers.//

Yes He did.

Are you suggesting Jesus DIDN'T know where the Lepers lived?

Jesus didn't turn them away which is a difference.

Anyone who needed Jesus had to approach Him first. (except for the widow's dead son which Jesus approached).

Matthew 15:21-28 Only because of her quick faithful response did Jesus sent the demon away.

But make no mistake, Jesus KNOWS about EVERY illness and problems in the world and could have cure everyone with a simple thought.

//Jesus did NOT shun them, even for health reasons.---StrongAxe on 12/29/16

If you Ignore someone you are shunning.

Jesus had His reasons because He is God and we are not.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/29/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: You are mistaken. The clean didn't have to scream 'Unclean'. The UNCLEAN had to scream 'Unclean! Unclean!' to HELP the clean from getting unclean.

You're right. Yet regardless, Jesus did NOT go away from the lepers.

You are mistaking the Amish shunning program with the Jewish shunning program. One is based on beliefs and the other is for HEALTH reasons

Regardless, Jesus did NOT shun them, even for health reasons.
---StrongAxe on 12/29/16


//Instead of running away screaming "Unclean! unclean!", he let the lepers approach him.//

You are mistaken.

The clean didn't have to scream 'Unclean'.

The UNCLEAN had to scream 'Unclean! Unclean!' to HELP the clean from getting unclean.

Verbal warning given by the Unclean for the clean.

//he instructed them to follow the procedure mandated in law - but he himself did NOT shum them.---StrongAxe

Read Leviticus chapter 13/14 More instructions on burning clothes, not eating their food and much more.

All to PREVENT the spread of infection.

You are mistaking the Amish shunning program with the Jewish shunning program.

One is based on beliefs and the other is for HEALTH reasons
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/29/16


Nicole_Lacey:

I wrote: Jesus did not shy away from them

You wrote: Yes He did!

No, he didn't. Instead of running away screaming "Unclean! unclean!", he let the lepers approach him.

Jesus didn't LIFT the shunning did HE?

No, he instructed them to follow the procedure mandated in law - but he himself did NOT shum them.
---StrongAxe on 12/28/16


Mike, GREAT suggestions.

Kind, smart, reasonable and charitable.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/28/16


There is a book titled "Survival Of the Sickest" because the Sickest might survive the Fittest. Follow your gut feelings, lessen visits, have hand wipes and sanitizer in your pocket, wear a mask and say you don't want to spread your germs. Tell them you have phobias. The Egyptians ate separately from the Israelites because they viewed shepherds as unclean. Howard Hughes was paranoid about germs. He died any way, a tragic end.
---mike4879 on 12/28/16


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//they were ostracized and forced to live separately from everyone else.//

Because Leprosy is contagious.

//Jesus did not shy away from them,---StrongAxe

Yes He did! He was OBEDIENT!

The Lepers came to Him! He cured them.

Remember He told the one cured Leper to go to the Priest to be DECLARED CLEANED so he could mingle with the rest of the people!

Jesus didn't LIFT the shunning did HE?

He could have if He wanted as He lifted the food bans.

Where in the Bible states you should EAT NASTY foods and spread infection?

Feces can carry an infection called C. Diff

If you are discovered in the hospital with C. Diff, TB or MRSA you are going to be isolated. Some under STRICT ISOLATION.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/27/16


The Bible says that if you have a problem with anyone you are to go to them directly. You need to talk to them honestly. This kind of living conditions is a spiritual problem
---KarenD on 12/27/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: But, just stop visiting their home and don't eat anything they serve.

Note that Biblical wisdom was that the way to deal with lepers (i.e. people with a known contagious disease) was to shun them. This is why they were ostracized and forced to live separately from everyone else. Yet Jesus did not shy away from them, even though by all common wisdom, and even the Law, he had every right (and even an obligation) to do so.
---StrongAxe on 12/27/16


You have the right to be concerned.

DEADLY INFECTIONS

Or you can be a carrier passing them to others with LOW immune systems killing them.

CDC (Center for Disease Control) cited poor hand washing by medical staff is the #1 reason many hospital patients die from infections given to them while in the hospital.

//I am fed up. I need to dis-associate myself...but how?//

Watch past episodes of 'Monk' for some suggestions.

//Do I just slowly back away or should I give a reason?---Emmie on 12/25/16

I wouldn't give the reason because it might hurt their feelings.

But, just stop visiting their home and don't eat anything they serve.

If this family is your own family it will be harder.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/27/16


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Jesus was a friend of tax collectors and sinners. Jesus confronted the Pharisees on the subject of cleanliness for the Pharisees were more concerned with the outside than the inside and somethings are made clean, but in fairness, I would be disturbed too. Yet some people can not help them selves.
---mike4879 on 12/26/16


pray

make sure with God

You didn't say anything about children.
---Bill on 12/26/16


Have you offered to help them clean up?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/26/16


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