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"Human Marriage is a copy of the true Marriage of the Church and Jesus"--Nicole_Lacey on 1/28/17 I have never understood this analogy. The church is the body of Christ, and will be adopted by the Father as sons, and as sons we will be joint heirs with Jesus, the Son, and I understand Him to be symbolically represented by the lamb, and the Lamb's wife is the New Jerusalem.
---Josef on 1/28/17


Israel is God's first born
Israel goes through life NOT trusting God their Father.
Israel can't keep the Father/son relationship because they can not keep the law as an obedient son. Israel is doomed and unable to correct Adam's sin.

God sends His Son as promised. Jesus repeats every scenes of Israel's salvation history with His own Life: Joseph, Moses, Jeremiah, whole tribes of Israel.

Where Israel fails, Jesus trust and obeys His Father and succeeds.

But Jesus came to unite Israel as the Bride with Him as the Bride Groom to His Father.

We as Christians come in as the Bride of Christ but as the Children as well as displayed in fruits.

Human Marriage is a copy of the true Marriage of the Church and Jesus.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/28/17


Aservant, it does not matter what FRUIT means in Deut UNDER THE LAW in reference to Romans 7. You want to marry the two, when in fact Romans 7 wants to do the complete opposite. The FRUIT in question of Romans 7 was already established at the very end of Romans6 as the fruit of HOLINESS. AKA THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT.

It's Unfortunate Pauls LETTERS divided into chapters and verses, Are read differently then in The beginning. You can't be married to the law and married to Jesus Aservant. Telling and using the LAW of Curses with Nicole, show YOU are still under the LAW and the CURSE of the LAW, and can't have the Fruit of Romans 7 in the first place . You can't be under the CURSE of the Law and bring fort the fruit of Romans 7.
---kathr4453 on 1/28/17


//woman making a man wear a condom says "you cannot have all of ME".//

No that would be "I don't want all of you." Either way she is treating him as an object. Women can treat men bad.

//A pregnancy takes MUCh more of a woman than of a man.//

Women's body are designed to have babies. You are thinking as the world thinks. They treat babies as a disease that last 9 months.

//The RCC forbids condoms EVEN if both man and woman AGREE that they don't want to create another child//

Because they can't agree to make each other objects.

//rhythm method.--StrongAxe

Natural planning uses dates that God makes a woman non fertile. God could have made everyday fertile, but chose not to do.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/27/17


I never said I didn't care what Gods word said in Deut.---kathr4453 on 1/24/17

Aservant, it doesn't matter what fruit in Deut means ---kathr4453 on 1/24/17

Spin it anyway you want, Father knows the Truth. You are a liar, a misdirector of Truth, and a fake "Christian" who does not have the Spirit indwelling. Your work here serves Satan, not Father.

I have provided many, many Scriptures that have REFUTED your 'analysis' and instead of admitting you are wrong, you go to another level of lies. Your words save no one.
---aservant on 1/27/17




Jews in Romans 7 had to DIE TO THE LAW, and be married to another Jesus Christ to have physical children?---kathr4453 on 1/24/17

This IS NOT EVEN CLOSE to what Rom is saying or meaning. Confusion comes from Satan, and may be the explanation to why you often, so blatantly MISUNDERSTAND.

Jews are already dead to the Law IN JESUS CHRIST. IOW, if you don't have Jesus, you're not dead to the Law. Married to Jesus to produce Spiritual children by birth and by conversion. Husband (Jesus) and Wife (Church) do not produce a physical child. Human husband and human (saved) wife will have physical children (who are inclined toward faith) unto Father.
---aservant on 1/27/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Much more like a woman making a man wear a condom says "you cannot have all of ME". A pregnancy takes MUCh more of a woman than of a man. The RCC forbids condoms EVEN if both man and woman AGREE that they don't want to create another child, yet permits the rhythm method. Why this inconsistency?

Most birth control pills have combination effects on the woman's body. It does prevent implantation of the baby.

Nevertheless, The RCC condemns EVEN THOSE methods that don't. This means that the RCC's agenda really isn't about implantation at all - it just wants as many children born as possible, to increase its numbers.
---StrongAxe on 1/27/17


Yes, but not all scripture matters for every discussion. When discussing how to bake bread, David's genealogy won't provide much help, and Song of Songs won't help much when discussing warfare, spiritual or otherwise.---StrongAxe on 1/26/17

You are stating the obvious. As it relates to a specific discussion, would you restate your point.
---aservant on 1/27/17


//Condoms require the presence of mind and action by the man beforehand. Many women do not trust men's objectivity and conscienciousness while they are in a state of arousal.//

Condoms does not kill a baby.

The CC speaks against condoms because it makes women objects.

A man is telling the woman you can not have all of me.

//Preventing implantation is how the "morning after" pill works---StrongAxeon 1/25/17

The morning after pill is more aggressive.

Most birth control pills have combination effects on the woman's body. It does prevent implantation of the baby.

Just look up the most common birth control pills used today
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/27/17


No John this is what you said "Sir, respectfully, on other postings, you have stated in responses that you do not believed the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit are persons." Are you not listening to yourself
---Josef on 1/26/17




Joseph ask, "John why would I be offended? We simply view Moses's Statement in vs 24 differently. We are individuals and as such entitled to our individual views. We."

Glad to hear that you aren't afended.

The issue here is I am allowing Moses to define his own words instead of trying to tell him what I think he should state.

Joseph, when you read Moses's Statement in vs 24 can you see how he goes to great length to layout the persons and their actions??

Moses believed in Deut 6:4,yet, he stands out the descriptions you don't do this if it involves just 1 person.
---john9346 on 1/26/17


Joseph states, "John you are apparently misreading my post."

Sir, are you not listening?? what I said you just said the same thing...

This is "Modalism." so I read your statements appropriately...
The Father is a person in that He is a self-conscious, rational being.
The Father is only a person in a philosophical sense.
The Word became a person only when it was made tangible in the person of Jesus. I have never once denied the person of Jesus.
The Holy Spirit isn't a person in any sense of the word.
---john9346 on 1/26/17


Ex 31:3 I have filled him with the spirit of God
This is a Hebraism, signifying an excellent spirit. The Father endowing him with a distinguished genius for the work he had to perform.
Ex 35:31 And he hath filled him with the spirit of God
These are the words of Pharaoh, not God.
Eze 37:14, Eze 36:26, & Eze 36:26
As Kathr explained them. These are prophesies of then future events. things that would occur after the arrival of Jesus.
Re David, 2Sa 23:2
This represents the Father sharing His inspiration through David, not His indwelling him. Aservant this post represents a response to you concerning your suggestion that I do my own research. They are not a counter to the research you've done:o)
---Josef on 1/26/17


No aservant, YOU are the one who picks and chooses scripture and then takes it out of context. If fruit in Deut means physical children....Deut still being UNDER THE LAW, tell us why the the Jews in Romans 7 had to DIE TO THE LAW, and be married to another Jesus Christ to have physical children? That is if you continue to insist FRUIT means physical offspring? Or if the physical offspring with Jesus means a SUPERIOR physical child .......you are a false teacher, teaching the physical children ( fruit) of Christians are superior to the physical children (fruit) of those still under Law in Deut.

You make as much sense as Nicole in your cognitive thinking.

OR you know you misspoke and have to much pride to admit it.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17


"Sir, first, you seem to be afended sir it is not my attention to afend you, I do want to discuss with you in respect so don't see this as me attacking you ok?

John why would I be offended? We simply view Moses's Statement in vs 24 differently. We are individuals and as such entitled to our individual views. We share those views here, openly, they will be view and judged by other as to accuracy, and their views will be just as diverse, that's just the way it is. Therefore we as individuals must be fully persuaded in our own minds. And if that's the case, no harm done. As I have said so often, I am no mans teacher and I fully realize some of my views will be rejected, and for me, that's no a cause for offense.
---Josef on 1/26/17


aservant:

You wrote: ALL Scripture matters because GOD CHANGES NOT - Mal 3:6.

Yes, but not all scripture matters for every discussion. When discussing how to bake bread, David's genealogy won't provide much help, and Song of Songs won't help much when discussing warfare, spiritual or otherwise.
---StrongAxe on 1/26/17


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"Sir, respectfully, on other postings, you have stated in responses that you do not believed the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit are persons."
John you are apparently misreading my post.
Here are some of my pass post. quoted.
The Father is a person in that He is a self-conscious, rational being.
The Father is only a person in a philosophical sense.
The Word became a person only when it was made tangible in the person of Jesus. I have never once denied the person of Jesus.
The Holy Spirit isn't a person in any sense of the word.
I stand by each of these quotes without apologies. They are a reflection of my beliefs in accordance with the understanding I've been given.
---Josef on 1/26/17


Aservant, you are so out of line with your last comment. I never said I didn't care what Gods word said in Deut. I said it doesn't apply to Romans 7. You are dishonest in twisting that to say something else I did not say. NOT A CHRISTIAN THING TO DO. Secondly I have posted more scripture than most here and have even backed up everything I have said with scripture. Romans 6-8, Galatians 2:20-21, Galatians 5:22-25, Coossians 1:24-27.

So either you are blind or a liar. Either way, you have issues Aservant. I don't like debating with dishonest people who think they are the ONLY one saved here and no one else is. Totally SELFRIGHTEOUS suffering from delusions of grandeur.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17


If I practice Judaism they would be relevant.---Josef on 1/25/17

Your reasoning is false. Tithing was not originally part of the Law. Men tithed before the Law was revealed. Tithing is honoring and worshiping God Spiritually.

The biggest thing you seem to be missing, probably on purpose, is that this Scripture is in the NT, having nothing to do Judaism.

Heb 7:8 And here men who die receive tithes, but there he (Jesus - High Priest) receives (present tense) them . . .


God says those who don't tithe are robbing Him - Mal 3. This means you. Since True Christians are owned by Father, all their money is owned by their Owner.
---aservant on 1/26/17


Aservant, it doesn't matter what fruit in Deut means ---kathr4453 on 1/24/17

ALL Scripture matters because GOD CHANGES NOT - Mal 3:6.

You can't pick and choose Scripture, attempting to make Scripture fit your narrative. We are here to learn of GOD'S NARRATIVE. Your writings have FAR TOO FEW of God's Words to support your point.

It seems one reason you don't use Scripture more is because that would limit YOUR words. And you want people to hear you, not God. You think what you have to say is more important than what God has to say.

Many of your assertions are dead wrong because they come from YOUR world, not God's WORD.
---aservant on 1/26/17


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Joseph states, "What I'm stating is the statement " The Hebrew Language in addressing the "Persons." and their, "Acts." is clear in vs 24 in how Moses laid out the designations and separations." is not clear to me."

Sir, first, you seem to be afended sir it is not my attention to afend you, I do want to discuss with you in respect so don't see this as me attacking you ok?

Next,when you read Moses's Statement in vs 24 can you see how he goes to great length to layout the persons and their actions?

Moses believed in Deut 6:4,yet, he stands out the descriptions you don't do this if it involves just 1 person.
---john9346 on 1/26/17


Just to clarify too Aservant, OT saints were saved by faith in the coming redeemer. however they were not in the BODY of Christ or did they go directly to heaven before Jesus death and resurrection. Today yes because of Jesus resurrection they are in heaven referenced as the spirits of Just men made PERFECT. Their perfection came when Jesus rose from the dead.

So TODAY, our relationship with God is much different and also COMPLETE as in the OT was not complete. No one was IN HIM in the OT. Completed salvation is to be baptized IN HIM, baptized into HIS DEATH AND RAISED UP A NEW CREATURE. aka being BORN AGAIN. No one was BORN AGAIN before Jesus died and rose again.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17


John I have never stated modalism to be my position, I didn't even know what that was until I looked it up. You have simply assumed that to be my position.
And I've never stated that "Moses is teaching "Modalism."in vs 24"
---Josef on 1/26/17
Sir, respectfully, on other postings, you have stated in responses that you do not believed the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit are persons.

Sir, this is "Modalism."

See, posting, "Deity of the Holy Spirit.", "Explained The Classic Creeds.", "Trinity for Salvation.",and "Finish It Here Dec 2016."
---john9346 on 1/26/17


Joseph,

Sir, Here is your response rejecting that the "Trinity." is "3 persons."

Have we not all one Father? has not one God created us? There is one God, and there is none other but he: One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. One God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. God proceeding from God, through God, to produce God in three persons, does not sound feasible to me, fully realizing that with the Father all things are possible. My question would be , why? For love? Is that not one of His reason for creating Angels, and man?
---Josef on 12/7/16




---john9346 on 1/26/17


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Aservant, maybe this will nip this in the bud. THE LAST MAN ADAM IS THAT LIFE GIVING SPIRIT. So now your going to tell us, the Last Man Adam, who is Jesus Christ was "the man " Christ Jesus in the OT. Interestingly according to Hebrews 10, the blood of Jesus Christ had not yet WASHED AWAY SIN, only bulls and goats covered sin. AND the veil between the Holy of Holies and man had not yet been rent, which is Jesus Flesh, we see. They did not YET have access to Come to God a NEW AND LIVING WAY.

God cannot be JOINED with sinners. And those in the OT were sinners. The law can't save Aservant. The blood of bulls and goats Only COVERED sin year to year.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17


"Jesus is our High Priest" That is not in question.
That He "takes our tithes, presents them to God and worships Him on behalf of the offeror" is what I question.
You say it "is concluded from reason:"
How does reason bring you to this conclusion?
"Most Christians, sinners will stand before Jesus in fear." Will they?
"My 3 comments re tithes are further down the blog page, displaying color and bolds."
None of those comments address my questions concerning tithes being expected of the body of Christ or Jesus worshipping the Father with them. Perhaps, if I practice the religion of Judaism they would be relevant.
---Josef on 1/25/17


'Even in the OT, God put His Spirit WITHIN people." Where? ---josef on 1/24/17

Gen 41:38 . . . such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?
Ex 31:3 I have filled him with the spirit of God
Ex 35:31 And he hath filled him with the spirit of God
Num 24:2 . . . the spirit of God came upon him.

Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you . . .
Eze 36:26 . . . a new spirit will I put within you:
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you,

Re David,
2Sa 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.

filled = within = in = inside one's human flesh

There are many more instances, but you can do your own research.
---aservant on 1/25/17


"So sir, are you stating that Moses is not clear for you in Gen 19:1-24?" No.
What I'm stating is the statement " The Hebrew Language in addressing the "Persons." and their, "Acts." is clear in vs 24 in how Moses laid out the designations and separations." is not clear to me.
"On other posting have stated thisposition respectfully sir have you forgotten??---john9346 on 1/25/17"
John I have never stated modalism to be my position, I didn't even know what that was until I looked it up. You have simply assumed that to be my position.
And I've never stated that "Moses is teaching "Modalism."in vs 24"
---Josef on 1/26/17


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Aservant, Josef already showed you that in the OT, the Spirit Was UPON, and still not the same as CHRIST IN YOU. Please know the difference. will say again, Paul did not have schizophrenia .....so he didn't out of the blue say anything about children in Romans 7 and then go back and complete Romans 7 on to chapter 8 ...first talking about FRUIT IN CHAPTER 6, having nothing to do with children.

Also in order for the Jews to accept Jesus Christ, and NOW be under GRACE, we see Paul already says they had to DIE TO THE LAW. Marriage permissible when there is a death. Because keeping the Law, and trying to live under Grace cannot produce fruit. And it is equated to Adultry. Grace is we see in Galatians 2:20-21 CHRIST IN YOU.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17


Joseph:

"That may be clear in your mind, In mine it is not."

So sir, are you stating that Moses is not clear for you in Gen 19:1-24?"

"Why should I address, something I never said?"

On other posting have stated thisposition respectfully sir have you forgotten??
---john9346 on 1/25/17


Aservant, the LAW cannot bring forth fruit

The Fruit is the Fruit of the Spirit WE possess within ourselves. It is the very attributes of Christ in us. We don't have "fruit children" as a third member of the family. The fruit is OUR new nature as we abide in Christ. ---kathr4453 on 1/24/17


No one said the Law can bring forth fruit.

Rom 7:4 . . . that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Married to bring forth fruit unto God. This implies children as the fruit of marriage. One can accomplish the fruits of the Spirit without marriage.
---aservant on 1/25/17


If Jeuss Christ was in people before Pentecost, what was the big deal about waiting for the promise of the Spirit ---kathr4453 on 1/24/17

You would know this if you had the Spirit inside you.

1Jn 2:27 . . . ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things . . .

God has always anointed those He chose to work for Him, or they can't do His Spiritual work: Noah, Moses, Prophets, etc.

In the NT, as He Promised, Father broadened His scope and gave His Spirit to all of His people, not just those who specifically did His tasking. His people cannot worship Him in Spirit and Truth unless they have His Spirit, and have Jesus.
---aservant on 1/25/17


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Aservant, it doesn't matter what fruit in Deut means, in Romans 7 and 8... A continuation of 7 concerning FRUIT, it is NOT talking about offspring.

Even unsaved people under the law had "fruit children", if you want to call offspring fruit. So your Romans 7 makes no sense if you are saying no one under the law had children( fruit).

But now it seems as you are saying that only saved people having children are somehow more worthy fruit than unsaved people's children. Children of saved parents are NOT automatically saved because their parents were.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17


Aservant, Galatians 5:22-25 parallel Romans 6-8. You can't just pluck one verse, in the middle of something and totally redefine the content. Nowhere is that verse in Romans 7 stopping the flow of Pauls teaching to change to children.



Galatians 5:22-25

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17


Here are the verses directly before Romans 7, Paul now addressing the Jews who still wanted to cling to the Law.

Romans 6: 20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The Law could not bring HOLINESS or EVERLASTING LIFE.

Please learn to read ALL scriptures before and after learning to RIGHTLY divide the word of truth.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17


"Joseph my friend,
Just so you are aware before answering where Moses is teaching "Modalism."in vs 24. The Hebrew Language in addressing the "Persons." and their, "Acts." is clear in vs 24 in how Moses laid out the designations and separations...---john9346 on 1/24/17

That may be clear in your mind, In mine it is not.
"You also can not address the question that is in vs 24 where is Moses stating "Modalism?" Why should I address, something I never said?
---Josef on 1/25/17


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"Satan or demons cannot live "in" the BODY OF CHRIST, and the Body of Christ cannot live IN Satan or in a demon.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/17"
Amen.

'Even in the OT, God put His Spirit WITHIN people." Where?

As concerning David, it is written "Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward." Psa 51:10 Speaks of David's disposition or attitude.
---josef on 1/24/17


We don't have "fruit children" as a third member of the family ---kathr4453 on 1/24/17

Rom 7:4 . . . that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

This did not say fruit of the Spirit. It says fruit, which means all kinds of fruit unto God. God certainly desires more of His images and likenesses on the earth to worship Him.

Dt 28:4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle

Father has already proven that He will accept many kinds of fruit unto Him.

Looks like another case of being in your own world.
---aservant on 1/24/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Whether you believe truth or not has no bearing on whether it is, in fact, the truth.

Condoms require the presence of mind and action by the man beforehand. Many women do not trust men's objectivity and conscienciousness while they are in a state of arousal.

We were talking about birth control pills, and you don't have a clue how it works.

Preventing implantation is how the "morning after" pill works - NOT traditional estrogen birth control pills. Those work by tricking the body into thinking it's already pregnant, so it suppresses ovulation altogether. If there is no egg, it is impossible for an egg to be fertilized.
---StrongAxe on 1/25/17


//NO Nicole, we were talking about condoms//

As usual you forgot the sequence of events

KarenD and I were speaking about BIRTH CONTROL when you jumped into our debate.

Then you started personally attacking me and my faith as your habit.

Even KarenD stopped to ask me if I was a nun.

//Birth control pills do not protect one from getting sexually transmitted diseases.//

I NEVER SAID IT DID. I SAID IT KILLS BABIES.

//So please apologize for falsely accusing me of killing babies in the womb---kathr4453

Nicole,...KarenD has as much right to an opinion as you do.---kathr4453on 1/20/17

They say that because they do not believe in birth control under any circumstances.---kathr4453on 1/23/17
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/25/17


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Aservant, exactly what part of this do you not understand? And you say David and OT saints under the Law lived by this? Please prove it.

So you actually don't believe in the incarnation of Jesus and his actual death and resurrection....correct....you THINK it actually happened BEFORE it is said to have happened?

Galatians 2:20-21

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17


Aservant, again the OT scripture you posted was pointing to the NC where God said I will put my spirit in you. That was pointing to the furure. This is what is called Prophecy. And guess what, on the day of Pentecost it happened...and Peter stood up and proclaimed exactly what God promised....the indwelling Holy Spirit...of which they were accused of being drunk.

If Jeuss Christ was in people before Pentecost, what was the big deal about waiting for the promise of the Spirit. Also in Galatians.....to the Gentiles.....the PROMISE OF THE SPIRIT. Hebrews 11 states OT died without receiving THAT PROMISE. Why, because THAT PROMISE came with Jesus resurrection.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17


NO Nicole, we were talking about condoms. Birth control pills do not protect one from getting sexually transmitted diseases. I even said the word CONDOM in the blog a couple times, and never once said anything about birth control pills. So please apologize for falsely accusing me of killing babies in the womb, and more importantly, pay attention to what is being said, before going off on some raging tantrum falsely accusing others because YOU DONT OR CANT READ.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/17


Aservant, the LAW cannot bring forth fruit, correct. The Fruit is the Fruit of the Spirit WE possess within ourselves. It is the very attributes of Christ in us. We don't have "fruit children" as a third member of the family. The fruit is OUR new nature as we abide in Christ. John 15. So just because you see the word married in Romans 7, to bring forth fruit, has nothing to do with children equated to fruit, it has to do with Christ living through us, His very person in control of us, Being conformed to His image, being sanctified in Christ, and one day Glorified with Christ, being changed from Glory to Glory by the Spirit of the Lord. My children do not control me, nor live through me, nor am I being conformed to their image.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/17


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Christ was not IN DAVID.and then you said
All kings prophets and priests were anointed of the Holy Spirit. ---kathr4453


Of course Christ (Immanuel - God with us) was inside David as a result of the king's anointing. I have shown you several Scripture where God puts His Spirit WITHIN His people's hearts and minds. God does not hang His Spirit around the necks of His anointed.

Anointing = Spirit within = God's Spiritual House.

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

His anointed ARE HIS SPIRITUAL HOUSE where he resides.
---aservant on 1/24/17


//John 21:15-17 FEED MY SHEEP AND LAMB or Matthew 25:31-46?--Nicole_Lacey

Nicole, not every human is one of Jesus sheep.//

So now you are saying we can ONLY feed and clothe other Christians? Not non-Christians?

Now do you see why I said Protestants FORCE people hear the Word of God before getting a bowl of soup?

So who is doing the indoctrination NOW?

//Please learn to rightly divide the Word of Truth Nicole, and stop abusing scripture to use to abuse others you have no idea what it means.//

And please STOP using the Bible as a GUN to hungry people.

//stop yelling at people and falsely accusing them with BOGUS nonsense who simply don't agree with you.--kathr4453

THAT'S RICH COMING FROM YOU.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/24/17


Jospeh states, John, honesty is my pleasure, and I am happy that what I am sharing is obvious to you."

Sir, what is obvious is you are demonstrating what you commonly do that is you "Refuse." to address "Context." you are doing this here, just like on the posting,"Who Wrote the New Testament.", and "Deity of the Holy Spirit."

You also can not address the question that is in vs 24 where is Moses stating "Modalism?" when he has all ready gone to great emphasis to inform the readers of 2 separate persons and actions and both are YHWH

You have been asked to do so now 3 times...
---john9346 on 1/24/17


Joseph my friend,

Just so you are aware before answering where Moses is teaching "Modalism."in vs 24. The Hebrew Language in addressing the "Persons." and their, "Acts." is clear in vs 24 in how Moses laid out the designations and separations...
---john9346 on 1/24/17


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Aservant who are you? ---Leslie on 1/22/17

a servant chosen by The Father, baptized when I was 10, and put into service for Jesus, which is why I have been on CN for about 9 years.

Who are you?
---aservant on 1/24/17


as the Church is one with Christ, as His Bride.....WE don't have children with Christ . . . so exactly how is the Church mimicking THE ONLY REASON TO MARRY IS TO HAVE CHILDREN???---kathr4453 on 1/23/17

For as much as you talk, you have VERY LITTLE real understanding of God. You seldom understand or account for the Spiritual side of things.

It was about human MARRIAGE mimicking Jesus' Spiritual marriage to the Church. Spiritual marriages produce Spiritual fruit = Children by conversion and by birth, more fruits of the Spirit - Gal 5:22.

Rom 7:4 . . . that ye should be married . . . to him who is raised from the dead, to bring forth fruit . . .
---aservant on 1/24/17


became an atheist.---StrongAxe on 1/24/17

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

He was never a REAL (i.e., Spirit filled) Christian. Jesus "purchased" healing for we Spirit filled Christians.

1Pet 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
---aservant on 1/24/17


Sorry StrongAxe, I don't believe that story. Leftists write so many lies for sympathy, I don't believe them anymore.

Kathr, if condoms were so effective in preventing conception they would have never invented birth controls.

We were talking about birth control pills, and you don't have a clue how it works.

It thins the lining of the womb so that the baby can NOT attach itself to the mother for nourishment. No nourishment no LIFE.

Karen said birth control time and you agreed.

Man has not invented a technique to stop a sperm from entering the egg. The moment the sperm enters the egg there is life. That's conception.

BTW, you do not have to be a nurse to know when life begins.

Ask a Fifth Grader.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/24/17


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Excuse me Nicole, are you off your meds again, or have you recently hit your head on something???? Who in the name of God said anything about killing anyone IN THE WOMB. Where is your right mind? No you did not get it right , and I see you never will. When PROTECTION is worn, to PREVENT a pregnancy in the first place, that is NOT killing anyone IN THE WOMB. And you honestly want people to actually believe you are a nurse? I know you are or were a Nun.....but are you really that ignorant about conception? Using CONDOMS do not KILL anyone in anyone's WOMB.

Your are loony tunes Nicole...a stark raving IDIOT.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/17


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: If you CAN'T speak prolife, you certainty will NOT be able to LIVE prolife.

A few days ago, I read a sad story by a man had been an evangelical Christian. He had previously had health issues which made him unensurable. He is alive today because he got health insurance through ACA. However, when he encountered so much opposition to ACA from people claiming to be pro-life Christians, yet were so strongly against the very system that allowed him and millions like him to live, he got disgusted by the hypocrisy, and became an atheist.

See Paul's scathing condemnation in Romans 2:24:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through YOU, as it is written."
---StrongAxe on 1/24/17


aservant: You wrote: the ONLY reason for marriage is to have children---StrongAxe on 1/24/17

I DID NOT write that, ---kathr4453 did. I wrote AGAINST that fallacy. Pls reread and address your comment to her.
---aservant on 1/24/17


---kathr4453 is in a world of your own understanding, not "hearing" Scripture. Example: you said In Colossians 2, being delivered from the curse of the LAW You use NT Scripture to acknowledge the curse is still effect, and that delivery from the curse is present tense. Yet you keep arguing against the existence of curses from the Law because you say the Law has been done away with. Foolish. Your ramblings seem like those of one mentally ill.

There was no CURSE given with the law of conscience. if there was ....please show that verse.

Jas 4:17 Therefore to him who knows to do good, and does not do it, to him it is sin.

Sin brings curses.
---aservant on 1/24/17


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"Sir, thank you for being honest and stating what is obvious, ... the Holy Spirit through the "Writers ofScripture." is what matters and not your interpretation??"

John, honesty is my pleasure, and I am happy that what I am sharing is obvious to you. The understanding I have been given, is all that I have, and is all that matters, to me. For that understanding is all I will be held accountable for. By my words, I will be justified, or condemned. Fortunately there is only one judge, and I know that He will judge righteously.

Correction, "Verse 24 [references] the act itself, not the message, or the messengers". And it is apparent to me that the LORD, not His messengers, performed it.
---Josef on 1/24/17


//the reason I believe in protection for those with HIV is so that there are no children born who WILL DIE...---kathr4453

????

Let me see if you UNDERSTAND your OWN above statement.

"..that there are no children born who WILL DIE...." --Kathr

They CAN'T live pass the womb because you don't want them to die outside the womb.

I think I got it.

Kill them in the womb so there will not be a bigger body to bury outside the womb.

Ignore the FACT that NOT EVERY child of HIV parents get HIV themselves, you CAN'T take that RISK.

THEY ALL MUST DIE!

The HIV+ CHILD and THE DISEASE FREE CHILD.

KILL THEM ALL.

Are you Pharaoh now?

YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOO CRUEL!
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/24/17


Verse 24 represents the act itself, not the message, or the messengers.
---Josef on 1/23/17

Sir, Moses would disagree with you, "Gen 19:24, "Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven,"

Notice, "Persons." along with designated acts Moses by the Holy Spirit points out to us.

Tell us in vs 24 where are "Modes." being established??
---john9346 on 1/24/17


John, The words I used were to convey exactly what I meant. A messenger speaks the words of the One who sends him, as dictated by Him. I do not know if Moses would have described them in that way, but I do.
---Josef on 1/23/17

Sir, thank you for being honest and stating what is obvious, the question I would ask you to think about is isn't what the Holy Spirit through the "Writers ofScripture." is what matters and not your interpretation??


---john9346 on 1/24/17


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Of coarse I used the word coexist. As NC believers the Mystery now revealed that was kept secret in the OT is CHRIST IN YOU. SO no, Christ was not IN DAVID. And if Jesus Christ WERE, why would it have been kept secret? When Christ is IN YOU, Satan cannot be IN YOU, coexisting IN YOU with Christ.

Aservant, I meant what I said, and if you actually read and UNDERSTOOD the content, you would not think I meant side by side, or in the same room, or same universe. I'm talking about the same BODY. Satan or demons cannot live "in" the BODY OF CHRIST, and the Body of Christ cannot live IN Satan or in a demon.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/17


Ezekiel 36 is PROPHECY.... And that prophecy is/was for the FUTURE promised under the NEW COVENANT that was also prophecied. Now Hebrews explains exactly WHEN the New Covenant went into effect, and was sealed by the Blood of Jesus Christ.

All kings prophets and priests were anointed of the Holy Spirit. When Saul sinned, God took away from Saul. Under the NC, God cannot and will not take away the Holy Spirit form a Born Again Believer. No one was BORN AGAIN in the OT. Being Born of the Spirit is strictly NC. There is no teaching in the OT under the OC where the spirit lusted against the flesh and vice verse. The LAW kept the FLESH in check UNTIL the NC where now the Holy Spirit in us Crucifies the flesh 8:11-13...Galatians 2:20-21
---kathr4453 on 1/23/17


Sir, I am referring to the description you used, "The LORD spoke through these Angels as a ventriloquist speaks through a dummy. In other words, only the words of the ventriloquist are conveyed through the dummy."

John, The words I used were to convey exactly what I meant. A messenger speaks the words of the One who sends him, as dictated by Him. I do not know if Moses would have described them in that way, but I do.
---Josef on 1/23/17


Aservant, David was not INDWELT as we are today with the Holy Spirit.

Prove this with Scripture. You CAN'T! Even in the OT, God put His Spirit WITHIN people.

Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit WITHIN you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Even David spoke of the Spirit WITHIN him.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit WITHIN me.


Also Satan was not IN GOD.---kathr4453 on 1/22/17


You used the word COEXIST, so did I. Your changing the word to IN, doesn't stop you from being incorrect, or foolish.
---aservant on 1/23/17


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"The messenger in vs 1-2 is the same individual talked about in vs 24."

Verse 24 represents the act itself, not the message, or the messengers.
---Josef on 1/23/17


John the word used to describe these men is Mal'ak, meaning Angel, messenger, ambassador or representative. There are no words, Hebrew or otherwise that state that the men that visited Abraham and Lot were anything more than the LORD's messengers, representing and speaking for Him.
---Josef on 1/23/17

Sir, I am referring to the description you used, "The LORD spoke through these Angels as a ventriloquist speaks through a dummy. In other words, only the words of the ventriloquist are conveyed through the dummy."

The messenger in vs 1-2 is the same individual talked about in vs 24.
Tell us all here, in vs 24 where is modalism being taught??
---john9346 on 1/23/17


claim that 'ego eimi' is another form of God's name. This is absurd nonsense.... ---David8318 on 1/21/17

Another LIE from David.

What did God say when Moses asked what was God's name?

Exod. 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you"

That "I AM' quoted in the verse three different times is in the LXX "ego eimi".

The Jews knew what this meant:

John 8:58-59 " Jesus said to them, Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM. Then they took up stones to throw at Him...
---Mark_Eaton on 1/23/17


John could not have been saying the Word is the God he is with.
---David8318 on 1/21/17

Another LIE from David.

The Word is not the God of Jhn 1:1. I have never said that the Word was the God He was with.

What David and the NWT want you to believe is that the Word is less of "a god" than the God (the Father) in the verse, by violating their own translation rules.

Without the definite article, the word theos in the predicate of the verse means qualitative use and a stressed qualitative use.

Stressing the qualitative use means that the Word has the same nature as the God in the verse.

The Word has The Same Nature, the Same Essence, the Same Deity as the Father.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/23/17


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"Sir, Moses doesn't use these Words and there are Hebrew Words for the discription you are claiming, but Moses doesn't use those words,"
John the word used to describe these men is Mal'ak, meaning Angel, messenger, ambassador or representative. There are no words, Hebrew or otherwise that state that the men that visited Abraham and Lot were anything more than the LORD's messengers, representing and speaking for Him.
---Josef on 1/23/17


Aservant, David was not INDWELT as we are today with the Holy Spirit. That came with the New Covenant that did not go into effect until Jesus died and rose from the dead. Also Satan was not IN GOD.

I can't believe you think yourself to be a teacher of scripture Aservant. You've have some very peculiar statements here. Today Christians are IN CHRIST AND CHRIST IS IN THEM. We are hidden with God in Christ in heavenly places Colossians 3:1-4, where WALLA, no more Satan there, .....as Ephesians says we are far ABOVE powers and principalities aka satans realm. Yes we can be attacked, so we also must put on the whole arm our of God.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/17


Aservant who are you?
---Leslie on 1/22/17


John, I wanted to also say, that there was no Jesus until the human Son was born. There has always been a Christ Who is the Son. When Mary had the baby He was called Jesus the Christ.
Christ appeared many times in the Old Testament.
---Luke on 1/20/17

This is not what Paul explains to us Phil 2:6-11:



6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
---john9346 on 1/22/17


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9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth,

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
---john9346 on 1/22/17


John the three that spoke with Abraham, and later with Lot were the LORD'S messengers conveying the Word of the LORD, as spoken by the LORD, concerning Sodom and Gomorrah. The LORD spoke through these Angels as a ventriloquist speaks through a dummy. In other words, only the words of the ventriloquist are conveyed through the dummy.
---Josef on 1/21/17

Sir, Moses doesn't use these Words and there are Hebrew Words for the discription you are claiming, but Moses doesn't use those words, Gen 19:24, "Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven,"
---john9346 on 1/22/17


do you really think demons can also coexist with God ---kathr4453 on 1/18/17

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Satan co-existed with God in Heaven for some time period.


1Ki 22:21 . . . came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD . . .
1Ki 22:22 . . .
1Ki 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets . . .

A lying spirit co-existed with God in Heaven for some time period. Heaven is certainly more pure and holy, than is any man.


David murdered and committed adultery while having the Holy Spirit - Ps 51:11.
---aservant on 1/21/17


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