How To Earn A Living
2 Thessalonians 3:10 (in short) "DON'T WORK, DON'T EAT!" I know people who DON'T GO TO CHURCH because when one goes to church, one gets asked, "WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING?" Because the opinions of the askers, they not even bother to go to church. What are your thoughts?
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---mike4879 on 1/25/17
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TRUE! There are hypocrisies and attempts to remove a speck with a board in the eye of the ones desiring to remove the speck. Such is the church!
---mike4879 on 2/10/17|
Note that the men in Matthew 20:6-7 were not working, but they were willing to work.
Many people abandon the church because of hypocricy - they see the church preaching one thing, while many of their favored members doing the opposite, and getting away with it. One of those things is judgmentalism - church members judge people, but also have their own obvious sins that nobody holds them accountable for.
E.g. a church that preaches austerity, and all members live austere lives, is harsh but honest. One that preaches "give all to the church" while the pastor owns Ferraris and yachts and mansions, cannot be taken seriously.
---StrongAxe on 1/29/17|
What do the scriptures say? It is also written.
"Why have you been standing here all day doing nothing?"
"Because no one has hired us."
"You also go and work in my vineyard." (Matthew 20:6-7)
What do you have that you did not receive? (1 Corinthians 4:7) And if you receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?
I think churches lose attendance and lose visitors because people are critical of people who are not working.
---mike4879 on 1/29/17|
Now we have a basis to discuss the scripture.
---mike4879 on 1/27/17|
You wrote: So Strong Axe, is it your opinion then that the lazy people who do not work and who have not found employment or actively seek it then that these lazy people should not eat?
I did not say that. I did say the BIBLE says that. Once an argument begins with what the scripture specifically says about a subject, and thus gives a divine mandate to it, it must necessarily exclude personal opinions, as scripture must necessarily be right, and anything that contradicts it must necessarily be wrong (unless you want to argue with scripture).
One can argue over what scripture MEANS, but not what it SAYS - unless it is misquoted, or one wants to get into documentary and linguistic analysis, etc.
---StrongAxe on 1/27/17|
So Strong Axe, is it your opinion then that the lazy people who do not work and who have not found employment or actively seek it then that these lazy people should not eat?
---mike4879 on 1/26/17|
The Bible does not say, "He who does not work shall not eat". That was the motto of the Nazi party, which had the concept of "useless eaters" - the sick, the aged, the mentally ill. It exterminated them to reduce the drain on the economy. How very Darwinian.
The Bible DOES say, "He who WILL not work shall not eat". This refers, not to inability to produce, but laziness - the UNWILLINGNESS to work. There is a very great difference between disability and laziness.
---StrongAxe on 1/26/17|
This blog should be re-titled: DON'T WORK, DON'T EAT.
---mike4879 on 1/26/17|
The Don't work, don't eat verses are so taken out of context. This was addressed to those who were missionaries who would go from new church to new church EXPECTING to be supported by the people. Even Paul did not expect this for himself. Many can't work, widows and children, or even men who may have been crippled. Paul wasn't adding some new commandment. Was such a thing even spoken in the OT?
Mike, stealing is not work, it's SIN. Twice now you have promoted SIN over obedience to God as being the better of the two. AND Onan's heir was to be of the lineage of Jesus Christ of the tribe of Judah....disobeying God, God had to end him SO THAT the honor COULD LEGALLY GO to Judah the father, EVEN IF IT WAS THROUGH TAMARS DECEPTIONS.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17|
Even pastors preach YOU NOT WORK, YOU NOT EAT. It is more commendable to rob a bank than not work for at least the bank robber is doing something.
---mike4879 on 1/26/17|
Don't get too hung up about what people ask.
Most of the time asking what one does for a living is just a top-level conversation starter. It's considered a non-threatening question. You wouldn't ask about a person's private background when you first meet, would you?
---Steveng on 1/25/17|
I think this goes for someone who is supposed to be a Christian. It does not specify that work must be done for money. One can help set up chairs for a service.
If people approach this the wrong way, you can be at their church in order to reach them for Jesus. I would not let wrong people decide if you go to a church.
While I was living outside, I was eating some soup, I think, at a church gathering, and a guy asked if I work and said I could not eat if I did not work. I offered that, right then, I would be glad to stop eating the soup and wash pots for him or any other work that was available, right there . . . free of charge, even if I did not get anything to eat. He said not a word, I think, and I finished eating (c:
---Bill on 1/25/17|