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Non Mercy Pastors

Why do Christians show more grace and mercy to non Christians than to fellow Christians? eg. If a pastor (who supported many Christians through difficult situations) stumbles (like David did) we leave. Where would Israel being if they had abandoned David. (pastors, I'm not encouraging anything...)

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why is it that if a pastor sins like twisting the scripture for monetary gain, forgive them but when an ordinary person in a congregation ask a question regarding issues like SELF confidence, money, relationship stupid pastors will quickly judge that self is SIN, money is SIN, relationship is SIN. pastors deserve to be kick in the face because of the damage they cause. hypocrite
---mike on 4/6/18

True Strong Ax.

Those who know the truth and teach it. Need to be held to a high standard.

Those who profess but don't do are hypocrites.

Read the Bible what Jesus warned about hypocrites.

1John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/16/17


It's called accountability. If a pastor sins, but is quickly forgiven (i.e "easy grace"), it may mean his sin is not dealt with, and can provide righteous outrage among his victims (if his sin is the kind that affects others). Look at how the world reacted when stories came out about priests (and Protestant pastors) who abused children, but were quietly moved to other places where they could do the same thing. Look at Teg Haggard, whose scandal was well known, and a year later he was begging for money to go to school, and is now back in the ministry? Look at Peter Popov, who was exposed as a fraud on national TV, faking Word of Knowledge and healing miracles - and a decade later is back at it again.
---StrongAxe on 6/5/17

//I went there years ago when they were down town. It's a mega church now in a different location. I don't do mega churches--kathr4453on 2/11/17

I watched him faithfully when he preached downtown.

He is my favorite Protestant Preacher of all time.

I was shocked to see his new Church. If I am not mistaken it had a big globe, but no cross.

I hope they have a cross somewhere in the church.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/11/17

No Nicole,not Dr Stanley, but he is also a good example of divorce being many times out of ones hands to control. So often with divorce, even if the woman was innocent, she was still looked down upon as the guilty party, because she must have done something wrong, or whatever. I think those who have gone through divorce know that many times it just can't be stopped.

I don't know too much about Dr Stanley's personal life. I think it would be awesome if they did get back together. I'll see if I can find that out. I went there years ago when they were down town. It's a mega church now in a different location. I don't do mega churches.
---kathr4453 on 2/11/17

Kathr, are you speaking about Dr. Charles Stanley?

Because I thought his wife returned to him?

Plus he didn't file for divorce his wife did in the 90s. He still can be personally against divorce, and be a personal witness why it is wrong.

Also, my understanding was that he didn't recommend divorce because it is so destructive to one's life and others.

He still loves divorce people no matter how they became divorced.

I think he disapproves remarriage. As his mother's 2nd husband was abusive to him growing up.

Lastly, it was the Southern Baptist Church that has a rule that a Divorce Pastor could no longer be over a Church.

I don't blame that legality since it is Biblical. Matthew 19
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/11/17

Reginald, that is a very good question. You know, years ago Jimmy Swaggart believed one could lose their salvation, and what I understand was very legalistic....UNTIL the Lord humbled him publicly in his horrific sin. Then he began to sing a different tune. I've seen some of the most legalistic fall and be humbled. One Pastor who was so anti divorce...oh my, you were of Satan if you were divorced, found himself being divorced by his Christian wife and could do nothing about it. They wanted to remove him from his church, but NOW he sings a different tune and still has his church. And still divorced. Funny how life hits us over the head when we are so Judgemental.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/17

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death : but the gift of God is enternal life through Jesus Christ ,

James 2:10 - For whosoever shall keep the Law , and yet offend in one point is guilty of all.

Mathew 5: - 21-22 27-28 - ( sin or not sin)
---RichardC on 1/31/17

YES, "DOING IT!" -- FOR DAVID was worse than thinking it.
---mike4879 on 1/30/17

David ruined his ministry and his action resulted in the death of his son.

So no it is a bad thing,
---Samuelbb7 on 1/29/17

So you two think it is AS BAD to think some thing as to do it. In as much as Jesus spoke of doing something in your heart (adultery or killing), I still believe that the actual doing is of greater significance (AND WORSE) than ONLY thinking it. Who did his father's will? The son who said he would, then didn't? Or the one who said he wouldn't, then did? So which sinner more obeyed the commandment not to commit adultery? The one who thought adultery, but didn't do it? Or the one who was not thinking it, then just did it? WHO MORE OBEYED THE COMMAND? and which more involves others? If it is all the same, and one is as bad as the other, then why not do it? To think of stealing, then not steal is as bad as actually having stolen. I don't think so.
---mike4879 on 1/29/17

Matthew 5:28 - But I say unto thee , That whosoever looketh on a women to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart,

Leviticus 20:10 - And the man that committeth adultery with another man wife , even he committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife shall surely be put to death,

{ OT law death }
---RichardC on 1/29/17

"So josef, scripturally speaking, you then believe people deserve to be stoned to death for only thinking a thought? and for peeking and glancing?"
Mike I have no idea what brought you to that conclusion. You're projecting.
---josef on 1/29/17

So josef, scripturally speaking, you then believe people deserve to be stoned to death for only thinking a thought? and for peeking and glancing? You have SOLVED THE GLOBAL POPULATION PROBLEMS! EURIKA! The world will now be better!
---mike4879 on 1/29/17

"According to Jesus "Which is worse? A pastor committing adultery or a pastor being caught in church viewing sensual images?"
According to Jesus whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
However, Jesus also said concerning condemnation "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone..."
---josef on 1/29/17

Which is worse? A pastor committing adultery or a pastor being caught in church viewing sensual images?

Job made a covenant with his eyes. The success behind Billy Graham ministries is that they also made a covenant with their eyes. They saw what brought down evangelists and decided not to do that. There was their success. A pastor certainly shouldn't be looking at certain images in a church office upon the church computer. Yet my parents knew one who lost his call this way. My mom felt the church should overlook it.
---mike4879 on 1/29/17

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"---mike4879 on 1/28/17" Good answer Mike. Pastors are held to a higher standard and unfortunately those who would judge are comfortable doing so.
---josef on 1/28/17

2 Thessalonians 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle , note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed
3:15 Yet count him not as an enemy but admonish him as a brother,
---RichardC on 1/28/17

Why do Christians show more grace and mercy to non Christians than example a pastor stumble like David did?

What do the scriptures say?

What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? (1 Corinthians 5:12)

You know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. (James 3:1)

Now the overseer is to be ABOVE REPROACH, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable... (1 Timothy 3:2)

An elder must be blameless. (Titus 1:6)

He must also have a good reputation with outsiders. (1 Timothy 3:7)
---mike4879 on 1/28/17

You are wrong! You ask "Where would Israel be if they had abandoned David?" ISRAEL DID ABANDON DAVID. GOD PUNISHED DAVID. Have you not read? "We have NO SHARE IN DAVID, no part in the son of Jesse! Every man to his tent, O Israel!" So all the men of ISRAEL DESERTED DAVID to follow Sheba son of Bicri. (2 Samuel 20:1-2) This God did because David sins (2 Samuel 11) and God confronted (2 Samuel 12). God kept his word (2 Samuel 12:10-12) in all the trouble that came. Israel is also PUNISHED by plague for David's sin in taking an UNAUTHORIZED census. (2 Samuel 24) This is all because Israel REJECTED God as king.
---mike4879 on 1/28/17

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