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If christians are to be of one mind, why are there so many conflicting opinions and interpretations on christian blogs? A newly born christian would definitely be confused as to what christians know what they are believing.

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Those who say racism does not still happen are deadly wrong, and Trump is making it worse.
---Rob on 2/7/17

While I thank you for your service to the country.
You are right, racism still happens, you sound like a racist yourself. You think your race gives you a right to a job you want. You obviously were not qualified in some area other than skill. Your personality has already grated me off. I wouldn't use or hire you because of your attitude and I bet it shows itself in your face and actions.
Blessed by GOD, Donald Trump has my prayers where your former racist poser obomanation and jezebel wannabe has my Davidic curses. Psalms 109. You can always go back to those who you feel love your race and their blessed continent.
---Trav on 2/7/17


Nicole, I made three posts showing you Genesis, which I originally stated to Mark_Eaton was never about slavery or a racest comment. And after I posted why Genesis is not about race PERIOD, you told me to stop posting, that it had nothing to do Ham or racism. Now AGAIN FOR THE THIRD TIME, you are accusing me of making a racest comment. And AGAIN you chose Genesis for your accusations. NICOLE, Genesis again is not about racism or slavery. Will you ever get that through your head. Linda was not addressing John's comment about racism, but about UNCOVERING anothers shortcomings backed up with the verse in Proverbs......showing there is not one hint about racism except in your head.

Racists falsely accusing others, where NO RACISM is.
---kathr4453 on 2/7/17


What does reaching back to Genesis have to do with Racism Nicole? When Ham disrespected his father...are you saying THAT is racest? When he gossiped to his brothers about his father's drunkeness...you say THAT is racest?

Exactly HOW is that racest Nicole. Let's start there. HOW is Genesis Racest? If you can tell me HOW that is racest, maybe I wil understand YOUR definition of racism. Uncovering anothers shortcomings is NOT RACEST Nicole, it's a SIN of the HEART, not a sin caused by ones color of skin. hams skin color did not make him do it....his evil HEART did.

So are all people with evil hearts who disrespect their parents RACESTS?
---kathr4453 on 2/7/17


Genesis9:20-22

20 And Noah began to be a farmer, and he planted a vineyard. 21 Then he drank of the wine and was drunk, and became uncovered in his tent. 22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside.


Final post. Linda already clarified herself, and here are those verses. There is absolutely NOTHING about racism or slavery here.

So Nicole, exactly what do you have against Genesis 9:20-21.

Maybe we should start with this.
---kathr4453 on 2/7/17


Oddly Linda is keeping her silence refusing to CLARIFY herself.

She isn't stupid. Even you knew WHY I was upset with the verses she CHOSE to fuss at John.

Not a verse from Jesus' own Words.

NOPE she had to reach back to Genesis.

It's seems Linda approves with your slavery comments.

WHY else use the name Anonymous?

Even though John was wrong in thinking it was you, he was NOT wrong with this statement:

Just change your name with her name.

**lol Kathr as (Anonymous) :-)

Its also telling of your character that you have to hide behind "Anonymous." as oppose to admitting you are wrong and apologizing for what you said to me,..and others .--john9346on 2/2/17
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/7/17




Nicole, no one here was discussing slavery or racism. John out of jealousy and envy and strife threw that In this blog to START something. HE STARTED A HATE FEST, not about anything other than to attack me. He got a hate thing going here, and I'm sure is delighted. He took a post from another subject that is months old, not even related to this blog and was trying to start something. Just see it for what it is......HATE.

He should be thrown off for what he did.
---kathr4453 on 2/7/17


Dignity....lets do discuss this. Children abused in RCC orphanages forced to work in wash houses, unpaid forced labor, etc, well documented that happened all over the world, is just as evil as slavery that happened in this country.

However, not all slave owners abused their slaves just as not all RCC orphanages and homes for unwed mothers abusec their slaves.

Would you agree with that Nicole?

The RCC is not Lilly white either Nicole, and as I was stating horrible incidents that took place in Ireland are factual. Maybe racism is against the POOR as well, not just color.

Stating facts is NOT HATE. It only becomes hate to you if the show fits you.
---kathr4453 on 2/7/17


If christians are to be of one mind, why are there so many conflicting opinions and interpretations...
---Steveng on 1/29/17

Good question, that always could be answered by 2 or more scriptures/witnesses when responding to someone. After all, if Christ came to fulfill the prophets his people will listen to them as well. Those that go against the prophets...can never defend their argument, they have no witnesses provided by GOD. Therefore being confused usually by logic of their own or other men.

2Co_13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
Heb_10:28/ Heb 12:1
---Trav on 2/7/17


1. Live in a mansion, wear fine clothes and eat fine food. But you can't leave. Can't drive, can't choose your own career, and MOST IMPORTANTLY you follow your Master's FAITH. If he is CATHOLIC you are Catholic.

2. Dirt poor, hungry at times.
But free to roam, pick own spouse and career.
Choose own FAITH and change if you wish.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/7/17

# 1 sounds like Calvinism Nicole. So are you saying the whole of Calvinism, that is no freedom of any kind whatsoever, no freedom to even choose how you want to believe in God? So tell John what you have against Calvinism or #1. So you equate slavery to Calvinism....correct?
---kathr4453 on 2/7/17


It's funny. I'm of mixed ethnicity, Black/Italian. While in the Army my specialty was Orthopedics. When I left the Army every place I applied to, including the V.A. said I was over qualified. Those who say racism does not still happen are deadly wrong, and Trump is making it worse.

So I went into another field. Aviation Engineering and Management from which I retired.
---Rob on 2/7/17




//I should apologize to all black people..for what I don't know. For saying not all slave owners abused slaves? Why should I apologize for stating a fact?--kathr4453

For NOT understanding ONE BASIC FACT. DIGNITY giving to you and I from GOD.: FREEDOM

Slave Owners REFUSES to FREE them. Who cares how well they treat them.

Kathr, if God gave you a choice which would you choose?

1. Live in a mansion, wear fine clothes and eat fine food. But you can't leave. Can't drive, can't choose your own career, and MOST IMPORTANTLY you follow your Master's FAITH. If he is CATHOLIC you are Catholic.

2. Dirt poor, hungry at times.
But free to roam, pick own spouse and career.
Choose own FAITH and change if you wish.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/7/17


Steveng, the reason there is many interpretations is that many are just not saved. And a newly born Christian will not be confused because the Holy Spirit will open their spiritual eyes so that they can understand the word of God.
Here there is many from different countries and so many are just not saved. They might have the wrong God, wrong Jesus, wrong understanding of the gospel, which means they have another gospel, not the true gospel of Christ. So you will see a lot of hate.
---Luke on 2/7/17


Nicole John took a post MONTHS OLD, out of context and said I should apologize to all black people......for what I don't know. For saying not all slave owners abused slaves? Why should I apologize for stating a fact?

Linda said NOTHING ABOUT SLAVES. And the verses she posted said nothing about slaves, or racism, or even a curse. YOU did Nicole. You PRESUMED something that was never stated.

I don't see Linda talking to you or even about you. I also don't see her saying anything about slavery or racism. And I did not either. Did YOU feed into John's post? John spewing hate.....????

Linda posted a great verse, about those who stir up hate. GOD said that, not Linda.
---kathr4453 on 2/6/17


Linda fussing at John for asking you to apologize to all Black People is very STRANGE to most people!

***I believe kathr made an excellent post of showing that uncovering and mocking the shortcomings of others, whether they repent or not is as evil as Ham's sin. Read [Genesis 9:20-22]. I do hope we don't have to see any more of your posts here by pointing out others sin.--Anonymouson 2/2/17

That is wrong, Kathr. She could excluded your slavery comments but DIDN'T.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/6/17


Nicole, My post months ago had nothing to do with Ham, but the simple discussion of slavery, and also at that time in our history was legal, that there were many slaveowners who did not abuse. And many after the war gave their land to those who were slaves. The post was comparing slavery to orphanages, where many priests and nuns were in fact cruel. Also stating many of these children IN IRELAND were not orphans, but simply taken from their parents just like people were taken and put into slavery.

John misrepresented the post, and you were involved in that post. John is dishonest in his misrepresentation of that post. Regardless, HAM was never mentioned, or Hams sin.

John was not in any love fest, but his own hate fest.
---kathr4453 on 2/6/17


//No need to respond back. But it is just another example of how things get blown up out of context, and cause conflict.---kathr4453

THIS IS RICH!

You are blaming me for the blow up and NOT Linda?

***"Nicole, the same could be said for slaves too. Many who owned slaves took great care of them, but got NO THANKS. How dare you criticize slavery when it was legal, regardless of whether adults were put in slavery or children. And HOW DARE YOU accuse any white man of abuse."
---kathr4453 on 11/22/16


"The fact I'd Nicole there were many wonderful Christian slave owners who treated their slaves well, even giving many land after their freedom."
---kathr4453 on 11/23/16

---john9346on 2/2/17
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/6/17


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Nicole, ok, but I am curious as to how you came up,with "RACEST and slavery? You accuse me and Linda of posting racism and references to slavery, and now you are acting like you have no clue why you seem to think the subject is off topic.

I don't see Linda saying anything about racism or slavery either...so exactly HOW did those two words from you get into the conversation? Nicole you can't or should not scream racism in blogs where it's not. Ham's sin was not about racism against his father, but disrespect, and then gossiping about his father to his brothers.

No need to respond back. But it is just another example of how things get blown up out of context, and cause conflict.
---kathr4453 on 2/6/17


Kathr, you are going way off topic and addressing the wrong person. Why focus on me?

First address Linda and then we can discuss different topics with me.

Ease from your mind any concerns of me thinking that Black people has ANY CONNECTIONS with Ham.

ZERO CONNECTION!

I am UPSET with Linda attacking John AFTER everyone apologized to each other.

I told John, you and I apologized to each other in another post (HIV).

John was content and STOPPED demanding an apology from you.

I know Linda saw that post because a batch of posts were released before a 2nd wave of posts including her post were released.

Why wasn't Linda satisfied with our apologies when Jesus was pleased with us being like Him?
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/5/17


Nicole, I'm not sure where you got that I said or anyone said that God cursed Canaan and turned him black. Firstly Nicole, I have always said now and in the past that GOD never cursed Canaan, Noah did, and Noah being just a human being had no power to turn anyone black. If John said I posted that, John made that up and falsified something.

Actually I believe black people came from Noah's other son Cush. Also Ham means black one, so possibly Ham was born black well before any flood took place.

And John posting one liners out of context and only one sided is dishonest, and what all crooked journalists and politicians do.
---kathr4453 on 2/4/17


Nicole, Presumptuousness is also presuming GOD, not Noah cursed Canaan and turned him black and gave men the right to treat as slaves. The whole mentality of that is so grossly horrible. I am very detail oriented in studying scripture and have NEVER believed that garbage, because it is just NOT THERE IN THE BIBLE. It it PRESUMED that Noah's sons are different races, yet no scripture makes such a claim. Mans Presumptuousness did that.

I also believe Canaan's descendants were the Canaanites that were driven out or annihilated in the Promise land. No where does scripture say they were black either.
---kathr4453 on 2/4/17


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Nicole, thirdly, slavery is and was a horrible thing. John has grossly misrepresented me, and God will deal with him. Under the law, man worked off a debt and set free every 7 years that debt was wiped clean. No man has the right to,own anyone...period. However, when discussing prior, I never discussed the legality of slavery, but that not all slave owners were cruel. And they weren't all cruel. I'm not from the south but the north, and on both sides of my parents are Yankees. And no ancestors ever fought for the south, but the north....to free slavery. No one in any of my family going back for hundreds of years ever had slaves, believed in owning slaves, or believed slavery was right.
---kathr4453 on 2/4/17


Kathr, I was afraid you would mistakenly think my post was about you, but it wasn't.

//I never made any comment whatsoever about slavery, or even a RACEST comment.//

John reposted your comments made last November.

//God cursing Canaan turned him black.//

I don't, but I am GLAD you got the connection. Does Linda?

//Presumptuousness is also a sin.//

That's when people commit future sins thinking they CAN ask God for forgiveness.

//That is to PRESUME something is true when it is not and act upon it.---kathr4453//

??
Please give me example.

Catholics see it as presuming God will forgive you no matter what you do because He is Merciful.

I still would like Linda to explain.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/4/17


Nicole, wow, I've been away for a couple days and can't believe your post. I never made any comment whatsoever about slavery, or even a RACEST comment. This is a good example of conflicting opinions. Unfortunately you believe and may have been taught that God cursing Canaan turned him black and the curse was not only to him, but his descendants forever and ever. That is a HORRIBLE interpretation of the account in Genesis. I personally do not believe that interpretation, and I know many others do not either. So that was an unfortunate false accusation to me, and even to Linda. Presumptuousness is also a sin. Actually there is the sin of Presumptuousness. That is to PRESUME something is true when it is not and act upon it.
---kathr4453 on 2/4/17


//I am Anonymous, I posted that comment.--Linda_Larsenon 2/2/17

No Linda, you stirred a hornet's nest.

You saw where I posted to John that Kathr DID APOLOGIZE to me but you brought up Ham?

Is that a racist comments?

//I believe kathr made an excellent post of showing that uncovering and mocking the shortcomings of others, whether they repent or not is as evil as Ham's sin. Read [Genesis 9:20-22].---Anonymouson 2/2/17

Are you saying Kathr's comments about Slavery is okay??!

HOW DARE YOU!

We were all on a love fest forgiving each other but not you!
Noooooo you can't watch Christians being Christians.

YOU ARE UNCHRIST LIKE!

SHAME ON YOU!

Kathr, this post isn't against you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/3/17


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Last question Kathr,

are you going to apologize to the following persons for the comments you stated about them:

"I do hope and pray you were never a teacher Monk. And with that you should not be teaching anyone anything here online either.
---kathr453 on 5/6/16


It just shows how truly ignorant Monk is on many issues. A Monks world must be so narrow and locked away in a 1st century mentality they probably killed children who had dyslexia thinking they were demonic. I'm sure they beat them , out of IGNORANCE. And dyslexia has also affected extremely intelligent people.
---
kathr4453 on 5/5/16
---john9346 on 2/2/17


"Since Cluny has problems with synonyms here we have several for RECEIVE."

"So to say I never answered your question, only shows you have an unteachable heart. That comes only through PRIDE, or perhaps a slight disability."



Cluny have YOU received/accepted Jesus as your Lord and savior? Remember your church cannot do it for you...YOU personally must make that decision.
---kathr4453 on 5/3/16
---john9346 on 2/2/17


Proverbs 10: 12 Hatred stirreth up strife, but love covers sin.

We may not all get the apologies we believe we deserve. We must forgive others regardless. The difference I do see is Mark_Eaton showed humility, whereas I do not see that from you. I believe God is in complete control and many times God withholds from us what we think we deserve because of pride and sin in our lives. Airing your hatred here only compounds sin upon sin. Now you have falsely accusing another. I am Anonymous, I posted that comment.
---Linda_Larsen on 2/2/17


//Heb 1:5 isn't a "Direct Quotation."//- john9346.

Well we must remember when Paul was quoting from the Hebrew scriptures, it wasn't "Samuel chapter 7 verse 14". They didn't have chapter and verse in Pauls day. So to say he didn't quote the "whole verse" is an obscure line of reasoning. Paul is quoting what he saw in the scroll of Samuel... not a verse.

And of course the Hebrew speaking Christians in Pauls day would have been familiar with the prophetic reference from the scroll of Samuel. Jesus did compare himself to Solomon- Lu.11:31.

"and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his father, and he will be my son"- 2Sam.7:13,14, Heb.1:5b. (NIV).
---David8318 on 2/3/17


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lol Kathr as (Anonymous) :-)

Kathr, Again, you have a lot of apologizing to do and "True Repentance." is to apologize to everyone on this blog that you have afended and not a select few...

Remember 1 John 3:10-18??

Its also telling of your character that you have to hide behind "Anonymous." as oppose to admitting you are wrong and apologizing for what you said to me, Aservant, and others here...

Remember, pride and Lying Lips is an abomination to Adonai...
---john9346 on 2/2/17


What's ironic IS I have been praised on here since June 2015 for displaying "Christ-like Conduct." to my fellow "Bloggers."

---john9346 on 2/2/17

John9346, your behavior now is unChristlike. Love covers a multitude of sin. I believe kathr made an excellent post of showing that uncovering and mocking the shortcomings of others, whether they repent or not is as evil as Ham's sin. Read [Genesis 9:20-22]. I do hope we don't have to see any more of your posts here by pointing out others sin.

So as you exalt yourself it only shows your sin of pride.

Kathr asked Marks forgiveness. I find it unChristlike to misrepresent others by selective posting, which you often do, and what you did here.
---Anonymous on 2/2/17


John,
Kathr and I have apologize to each other on another post (HIV).

We stopped our vicious rhetoric to each other.

Mark lead the way.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/2/17


Dear Readers:

I'd invite anyone to read my "Postings." and learn that you will never find any disrespect towards anyone, no dishonesty, picking at others or badgering, nor stating false Accusations about them...

You see, when you have integrity your work speaks for itself...

What's ironic IS I have been praised on here since June 2015 for displaying "Christ-like Conduct." to my fellow "Bloggers."


"YAHWEH BE GLORIFIED."
---john9346 on 2/2/17


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I give you my kind regards.
---David8318 on 2/1/17

Thank you David for your graciousness.

I think I projected some emotion onto you from another person.

I have a close friend that is a WatchTower fellow and we have had many religious "discussions", strongly disagreeing to the point of shouting at each other.

At that point, we needed to step away and determine what our next step was. We could not continue to shout at each other and remain friends.

So we decided to "agree to disagree" as the best course of action. Doing so, we have been able to discuss our relationship with God and how it affects our lives. We keep our theology to ourselves.

It has worked well.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/2/17


I would say any snide remarks to you are justified.
---kathr4453 on 2/1/17

Kathr my friend,

lol you want Mark to apologize to you,but you yourself need to do some apologizing...

You said, "Thanks, and I will also be more mindful of my posts."

So does this mean the racism, Verbal Abuse, condescending, condemning, critical, callous, cruel, negative, judgmental, arrogant/proudful, no love, no compassion for others... you will stop??

Don't ask Mark and others to do what you yourself will not do??

You need to apologize to me, Nicole, and every one else who have felt this abuse and enormous disrespect/disdain from you.

Thank You,

John
---john9346 on 2/2/17


Kathr,

Ma'am, are you going to apologize for saying the following to aservant:



So either you are blind or a liar. Either way, you have issues Aservant. I don't like debating with dishonest people who think they are the ONLY one saved here and no one else is. Totally SELFRIGHTEOUS suffering from delusions of grandeur.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17
---john9346 on 2/2/17


Kathr are you going to apologize for saying the following to Nicole:

"Excuse me Nicole, are you off your meds again, or have you recently hit your head on something????"

"Where is your right mind? No you did not get it right , and I see you never will."


Your are loony tunes Nicole...a stark raving IDIOT.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/17
---john9346 on 2/2/17


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Kathr,
Ma'am, are you going to apologize to every Black American here for making the following statements:


"Nicole, the same could be said for slaves too. Many who owned slaves took great care of them, but got NO THANKS. How dare you criticize slavery when it was legal, regardless of whether adults were put in slavery or children. And HOW DARE YOU accuse any white man of abuse."
---kathr4453 on 11/22/16


"The fact I'd Nicole there were many wonderful Christian slave owners who treated their slaves well, even giving many land after their freedom."
---kathr4453 on 11/23/16



---john9346 on 2/2/17


MarkEaton! I'm speechless! Thank you for your concern. Is this really you? That's what I call a Christian post. I congratulate you for your honesty and humility.

Please also accept my humble apologies if I have in the past ever given you a hard time. I do know we disagree quite passionately on many issues but ultimately we do believe in the God of the Bible and that Christ is our saviour.

Faith and belief in the scriptures is both an intellectual and emotional process. Our emotions can run away with us on occasion and we are all imperfect. So we do say things we may later regret. And even I sometimes forget that there is another human being the other end of the 'blogosphere'.

I give you my kind regards.
---David8318 on 2/1/17


And ignore those who want to tear down rather than build up.
---kathr4453 on 2/1/17

Thank you for your grace to me.

I too want to see the tone of the discussions change. We are the Children of God and sometimes our "family" discussions get ugly and out of control. I know I certainly did.

I agree with your post. Its so simple. God want us to love each other with the same love that He loves us. Yet, for us, it means crucifying our wants and desires and leaning on His strength. Easy to say, but hard to live. A constant battle for me.

Yet, my daily goal is to be more like Jesus and to know His Father more.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/1/17


Why?
---David8318 on 1/31/17

Hello David,

I have harmed you. I have attacked you, I have stalked you, I have acted in anger towards you, I have wanted to drive you from these blogs, all because you believe differently than I do.

I was wrong. With God's help, I will never do it again.

And even though we may not agree, I would like to continue to correspond with you. I will act kindly and loving to you and all I blog with.

If you do not to correspond with me, I understand.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/1/17


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Mark_Eaton, love you.......
Thanks, and I will also be more mindful of my posts and also ask your forgivness as well.

Yesterday I had this awesome thought.....and it came after I posted something about Noah cursing his grandson...here it is, and please give your thoughts.

Noah got drunk, and his son left him exposed and naked in a sense mocking him. And I wondered, when we all pick at each other looking for weaknesses to attack, are we not doing the same as Noah's son? God immediately COVERED Adam and Eve, in their shame.....maybe we should all follow that mindset, and see if we can change the tone of many of our posts. And ignore those who want to tear down rather than build up.
---kathr4453 on 2/1/17


So before giving lectures here, SHOW genuineness through actions..and apologize.
---kathr4453 on 1/31/17

Thank you, Kathr, for being strong right back at me.

After meditating on this, I see that I have wronged you.

I did attack you out of anger and wanted to find any of your beliefs heretical so I could call you out on them. I harmed you and was wrong.

With God's help, I will not do this to you or anyone else again.

Please forgive me if you can.

I would like to continue dialoging with you, if possible. If you do not want to continue, I understand.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/1/17


One thing I have come to understand about being here on this posting is the following:

"Those who do not have good arguments or verses for their views. Often resort to juvenile remarks, snide comments and personal attacks."
---john9346 on 1/31/17

Yes John , and we wish you would stop acting in this way. And it also may be that the way you John pick at folks and badger them and falsely accuse them and insist the TULIP is the only good argument, and that mankind creeds and statements of faith and Augustine the Gnostic equal to,scripture that you use as your GOOD ARGUMENT , and say their words are scripture you use to back up....I would say any snide remarks to you are justified.
---kathr4453 on 2/1/17


Mark_Eaton on 1/31/17

Mark_Eaton, It's different when the shoe is on another foot. Now that you know how it feels, of which I first asked you not to question my relationship with the Lord, you never apologized, but made an additional rude comment adding insult to insult.
You first attacked me out of the blue, out of left field because I commented on a post Josef posted, that was not even discussing the Trinity in the first place. And now since that post is closed, YES, I will tell you to your face, you were totally out of line.

So before giving lectures here, SHOW genuineness through actions..and apologize.

Didn't Paul also gossip, stating..so and so the blacksmith or something did me much harm.....TOTAL GOSSIP.
---kathr4453 on 1/31/17


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Hello readers,

One thing I have come to understand about being here on this posting is the following:

"Those who do not have good arguments or verses for their views. Often resort to juvenile remarks, snide comments and personal attacks."
---john9346 on 1/31/17


david8318:

Note following from NWT:

"I will become his father, and he will become my son.+ When he does wrong, I will reprove him with the rod of men and with the strokes of the sons of men.*+" NWt

"For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: You are my son, today I have become your father?+ And again: I will become his father, and he will become my son?+" NWT



David8318 Heb 1:5 isn't a "Direct Quotation." because 2 Sam 7:14 says more then just, "You are my son, today I have become your father?"

---john9346 on 1/31/17


david8318:

"But that doesn't mean the holy spirit is God."

But sir, Peters disagrees with you, ""But Peter said: Anani & #697,as, why has Satan emboldened you to lie+ to the holy spirit+ and secretly hold back some of the price of the field? 4 As long as it remained with you, did it not remain yours? And after it was sold, was it not in your control? Why have you thought up such a deed as this in your heart? You have lied, not to men, but to God." Acts 5:3-4
---john9346 on 1/31/17


david8318 states, "Notice john9346 doesn't quote Acts 5:9. Because it clarifies what Luke is saying. The holy spirit is not "God", but is "OF" God. Small word but makes a huge difference."

Peter's Usage in vs 9 is the same in vs 3-4 The Holy Spirit is God and vs 9 the Holy Spirit is "YHWH/Jehovah."

Not sure of your point because Peter is still talking about the Holy Spirit identifying the same person.
---john9346 on 1/31/17


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To avoid confusion in your statements, read 2 Peter 1:20. Secondly, the Bible explains itself (2 Timothy 3:16). In fact, when you mention "conflicting interpretations", your point is doctrinal rather than 'unity in mind'.

Examine yourself (2 Corinthians 13:5, for God knows who is a born again believer! Lastly, 'unity of mind' aligns with Christ, in sound doctrine. It does not mean that all Christians have the same ideas or think the same way!

As a Bible scholar, I advice you to read Matthew 7:13, for Jesus knows your confusion! In fact, the Sword of the Spirit brings divisions and divergences rather than unity, especially to a world which needs evangelism!
---Jean_Muller on 1/31/17


//Ps.102:25, Heb 1:10//- john9346.

Again john9346 stretches and twists scripture to fit his pagan trinity dogma.

First, Hebrews 1 speaks of Father and Son.

Is the Father also the Son? No, because the Son is the one through whom God performed creation as described by the psalmist. (Col.1:15, 16, Proverbs 8:22, 27-30.)

Also, note the quote at Hebrews 1:5b. This is a quote from 2 Samuel 7:14 and is applied to the Son of God. Although that text is applied first to Solomon, the later application of it to Jesus Christ does not mean that Solomon and Jesus are the same. Jesus is "greater than Solomon" and carries out a work foreshadowed by Solomon- Luke 11:31.

The Son is not God anymore than he is Solomon.
---David8318 on 1/31/17


I pray John and Luke and MarkE will actually listen..
And for them to attack me because I amen'd one of your posts having nothing to do with the Trinity saying...
---kathr4453 on 1/31/17

First, stop talking about me. If you want to dialog with me, I am here for that. If you talk behind my back like this, it is gossip.

Secondly, there are two Josephs. One is spelled "Joseph", whom I also enjoy many of his posts. This Joseph encouraged you to fight against Nicole.

The other is spelled "Josef", whom I have questioned his beliefs on God, just as I have questioned yours.

Thirdly, you have questioned my salvation and my Biblical understanding in nearly every post to me. Please stop it.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/31/17


Joseph again I love your statement here, and absolutely true. When one recites exact words , it is absolutely brainwashing, and not personal revelation from the Lord.

I pray John and Luke and MarkE will actually listen to what you said rather than go after folks with foamed mouths ready to tear apart.

And for them to attack me because I amen'd one of your posts having nothing to do with the Trinity saying... OH IF YOU ONLY KNEW JESEPH views on the Trinity BLA BLA BLA, is ABSOLUTELY CHILDISH and evil to the core to go around slandering and defaming anyone who has not MEMORIZED their take.....which also shows they have no personal relationship with God. Anyone can memorize anything....proving nothing about THEIR person.
---kathr4453 on 1/31/17


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It's important to understand we should not become argumentative, angry, hateful, or divisive. However, to follow Gods order for peace, we are charged to defend sound doctrine. Gods peace comes from like-minded believers who unite through an understanding of Gods Word.
---michael_e on 1/30/17

Mike, yes...

If we canthave "Sound Doctrine." that you cant have unity...

Mike, how do you do it dude lol always striking the point of an argument lol

good work dude...
---john9346 on 1/31/17


"Listen to what Luke states", john9346.

Notice john9346 doesn't quote Acts 5:9. Because it clarifies what Luke is saying. The holy spirit is not "God", but is "OF" God. Small word but makes a huge difference.

Of course lying to the holy spirit is lying to God. The holy spirit is "of" God and is sent by God to carry out his will on earth. Anyone working against the works of the holy spirit is thus working against God. Anyone lying against the holy spirit is thus lying against God. But that doesn't mean the holy spirit is God.

The notion that the holy spirit is "God" was not official "church" doctrine until 381AD. Why? Because it is not a Bible teaching.
---David8318 on 1/31/17


david8318 states, "Luke does not call the holy spirit "God" anywhere in his Gospel or in Acts."

Listen to what Luke states, "But Peter said: Anani & #697,as, why has Satan emboldened you to lie+ to the holy spirit+ and secretly hold back some of the price of the field? 4 As long as it remained with you, did it not remain yours? And after it was sold, was it not in your control? Why have you thought up such a deed as this in your heart? You have lied, not to men, but to God." Luke states a second time in vs 9.

Note, vs 3, "lie+ to the holy spirit+."

Now note, vs 4, You have lied, not to men, but to God."

Now read vs 9.
---john9346 on 1/31/17


david8318 states, "Luke does not call the holy spirit "God" anywhere in his Gospel or in Acts."
Luke writing by the Holy Spirit Acts 13:2states againthat the Holy Spirit is YHWH/Jehovah:

"As they were publicly ministering+ to Jehovah* and fasting, the holy spirit said: Of all persons set Barnabas and Saul+ apart for me for the work to which I have called them."

If David8318 denies that the Holy Spirit is YHWH/Jehovah then he must answer this question who is speaking in Acts 13:2??

Note Luke's Words, "the holy spirit said: Of all persons set Barnabas and Saul+ apart for me for the work to which I have called them."
---john9346 on 1/31/17


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Luke writing by the Holy Spirit disagrees with you... john9346.

Luke does not call the holy spirit "God" anywhere in his Gospel or in Acts. John9346 must stretch his belief and twist what Luke says to fit his pagan-Athanasian creed. John9346 omits Acts 5:9 which says Ananias tested "the spirit of Jehovah". The holy spirit is not 'Jehovah'... it is "of" or from Jehovah.

It wasn't until 381AD, some 300 years after Luke that john9346's pagan "church" erroneously decided to make the holy spirit "God". Not because scripture says so, but because pagan Trinitarians Constantine and Athanasius wanted it.
---David8318 on 1/31/17


I share this on another blog and I think that it has relevancy here also. "Although we share the mind of Christ, we share it as individuals. Complete unity of thought is only available in cults, and only because the members are brainwashed with one mans views. None of the members think for themselves. As long as we are individuals we will always hold individuals views. The unity of the body of Christ is in our belief that Jesus is Lord and Saviour to the glory of the Father. It is in the knowledge that Christ is all, and in all. And as such the Father relates to His children as individuals, according to the uniqueness that He Himself has established."
---joseph on 1/30/17


Right division doesn't cause church division
In this dispensation of Grace, Paul instructs to avoid those causing division contrary to the doctrine:( Rom 16:17)
1 Tim 6:4-5, Paul instructs to withdraw from those who consent not to the doctrine:
After he teaches the doctrine of Eph 1,2, and 3 Paul says chapter 4:3: Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
It's first that Paul instructs Timothy to teach no other doctrine
(1 Tim 1:3)
It's important to understand we should not become argumentative, angry, hateful, or divisive. However, to follow Gods order for peace, we are charged to defend sound doctrine. Gods peace comes from like-minded believers who unite through an understanding of Gods Word.
---michael_e on 1/30/17


Hello readers,

To further explain "Essentials." mean those thing Christians must believe to be "Saved."

No where in "Scripture." does it state believe in the rapture and you shall be saved.
---john9346 on 1/30/17


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david8318 states, "The holy spirit wasn't "God" before 381AD."

But Luke writing by the Holy Spirit disagrees with you, "3 But Peter said: Anani & #697,as, why has Satan emboldened you to lie+ to the holy spirit+ and secretly hold back some of the price of the field? 4 As long as it remained with you, did it not remain yours? And after it was sold, was it not in your control? Why have you thought up such a deed as this in your heart? You have lied, not to men, but to God." Luke states a second time in vs 9.
---john9346 on 1/30/17


david8318 states, "And Jesus wasn't "God" before 325AD!"




"And: At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands." (Heb 1:10) NWT

"Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, "And the heavens are the work of your hands." (Ps 102:25) NWT

Here Paul when speaking of the Lord Jesus Christ the Son identifies him as "Jehovah-Yhwh."

---john9346 on 1/30/17


david8318 states, "The holy spirit wasn't "God" before 381AD."

But Luke writing by the Holy Spirit disagrees with you, "3 But Peter said: Anani & #697,as, why has Satan emboldened you to lie+ to the holy spirit+ and secretly hold back some of the price of the field? 4 As long as it remained with you, did it not remain yours? And after it was sold, was it not in your control? Why have you thought up such a deed as this in your heart? You have lied, not to men, but to God." Luke states a second time in vs 9.
---john9346 on 1/30/17


//the culture and background of the Athanasian creed and why it was written??// john9346.

Athanasius was Pagan Roman Emperor Constantines sycophant.

In partnership with Pagan Emperor Constantine during the 4th Century, Athanasius and his cohorts dreamed up the unbiblical "Athanasian creed", a complete departure from truth and a headlong descent into pagan apostasy declaring 'Jesus is God'.

That was the 1st Council of Nicea in 325AD. It took these apostates years to decide who should be the 3rd person of the trinity. Not until 381AD did they decide who in their view should be the 3rd head of the trinity god.

The holy spirit wasn't "God" before 381AD. And Jesus wasn't "God" before 325AD!
---David8318 on 1/30/17


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John, So here is the bottom line on essentials vs non essentials. I believe in the Rapture. I believe the church is separate from Israel. And the Rapture will one day show this. I also believe that one view of the Rapture distinguishes one doctrine from another on many issues. And could possibly lead folks to follow in someone LIKE JUDAS, into a wrong understanding that might lead to wrong actions. Judas actually believed the earthly kingdom was to take place right then.....and say for instance...turning your back on the Nation Israel or being with those who come against her and ending up with those in Zechariah 12. Another ESSENTIAL, some Trinity believers reject. Let's let GOD decide what is and isn't essential.
---kathr4453 on 1/30/17


If christians are to be of one mind, why are there so many conflicting opinions and interpretations on christian blogs?
---Steveng on 1/29/17

In my opinion, religion makes it complicated.

Its about relationships. When asked by the Pharisees what was the greatest commandment, Jesus told them to love God with all that you are, and love others as yourself. And that the whole Bible hangs on these two commandments.

Its not more complicated than that.

Anyone who tells you to do this and that to be saved is making it more complicated. Anyone who tells you to obey this or that is making it more complicated.

If we loved as well as we fight, there would be no disagreements.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/30/17


The German Lutheran theologian Rupertus Meldenious the early said, "In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity."
---john9346 on 1/30/17

What does the the Apostles and prophets say? Why not quote them. Rupertus, was not called by God to add or subtract to scripture with his opinion of cute phrases, nor were YOU called to categorize ESSENTIAL vs NON ESSENTIAL. Paul or any Apostles/ prophets categorize essentials vs non essentials. Can you point to any scripture to back yourself up? Some believe the doctrine of the Rapture is absolutely essential in understanding the difference between the CHURCH and Earthly Israel. And I believe Paul felt it was ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO know the difference.
---kathr4453 on 1/30/17


Too many people on CN have the mind it is their purpose to convert as many as possible.

But Faith comes from God.

Only God converts a soul
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/30/17


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Steveng ask, "If christians are to be of one mind, why are there so many conflicting opinions and interpretations on christian blogs?"


Steveng, Christians are in uniformity on the Essentials of the "Christian Faith." which are, The Trinity, The Deity of Christ, salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone, Scripture Alone, and the atonement. .

Everything else are "Nonessentials." where there is Liberty to believe or not to believe such as the rapture, Bible Translations, the Death Penalty, how to pronounce God's Name, etc.
---john9346 on 1/30/17


Live and let live! Christianity is a great stew full of mix and some bad things have gotten into the stew.
---mike4879 on 1/30/17


The German Lutheran theologian Rupertus Meldenious the early said, "In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity."
---john9346 on 1/30/17


Mike4879,

Sir, do you know the culture and background of the Athanasian creed and why it was written??

Do you believe that Mormons and JW's worship the same God as Christians??
---john9346 on 1/30/17


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There are different ways to read the bible.

Two of the main schools of thought on how to understand the bible are Covenant Theology and Dispensationalism. These two views cause some of the division.

People often don't like to change their views from the past and others don't want to listen to those things they don't want to hear.

Read Jude.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/29/17


One reason for conflicting views
is because Christians will look at Scripture in the view of their own cultural background instead of the culture at the time the various portions of the Bible were written. Second is taking Scripture out of context. Third is they have preconceived views about something try and prove their view by taking the Bible out of context by using a verse, or portions of the Bible to "prove" a point. Fourth is they heard this is what the Bible states without checking to see if it's even in the Bible. I could go on, but space is limited. The main thing is to study the Bible and not just read it.
---WIVV on 1/29/17


You know it isn't just on the blogs that there are disagreements among believers. You can find them in the Bible as well and in the church. Even in the New Testament, one follower of Christ has disagreement with another follower of Christ. Moreover, in one's own house in one's own family, one believer is in disagreement with another. Of course, some are more right and others may be more wrong and then there are grey areas. Until heaven and earth disappear, there will be these difference. Of course, it is nice when we are on THE SAME PAGE -- except in being as Ananias and Saphira who were believers too, and they AGREED on SOMETHING WRONG.
---mike4879 on 1/29/17


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