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Why almighty God does not persuade all people to choose HIS way? Why must be there fighting, killing or diseases.

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God in His sovereignty has ever right to do with His creation as He has willed. He generally leave it up to us if we will or will not obey.

While His grace is free, without obedience you will have strife.
---Riolion on 11/30/17


The Holy Spirit convicts all people of sin. We decide to follow Jesus or turn from him.

Adam and Eve choose sin above GOD. Just as many do today.

Jesus will end all the sin when comes to take us home.

Keep your eyes on Jesus.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/30/17


ds, you ask if I think it is a freedom to have free will, I think you mean.

Well, God is the only One who is truly free.

Our own character can be our worst dictator.

So, we need Jesus to make us free from our own self's human free will which is so limited to our own nature which is not loving.

"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

Jesus gives us rest, but in our human unrest we can choose poorly, limited by our anxiety and dominating and dictatorial passions for pleasures.

So, real freedom is in how God has us loving (c:
---Bill on 11/29/17


ds asked, "Why almighty God does not persuade all people to choose HIS way? Why must be there fighting, killing or diseases."

DS, God has given us free will. In other words, He gave us the choice to choose Him or not. He could have created us as biological wind-up dolls, all doing exactly what He wanted.

But as He wants us to love Him freely, we have to freely choose. Let's face it, if Adam had only been programmed to obey God, we would be in Eden, and life would be Boooorrring!
---Monk_Brendan on 11/17/17


Maybe God has only a few people he wants to save and is going to throw the rest of the people away.
---Loony1 on 10/9/17




ds ask, "Why almighty God does not persuade all people to choose HIS way?"
Sir, here is your answer, "4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,"

Eph 1:4-5.
---john9346 on 3/20/17


"It is mine to avenge, i will repay. Is God of HIM to avenge? yes. When?" Ds if I understand your question correctly. Yes, He will take vengence. When? At the Great White Throne of Judgement. How? He will repay "them that hate Him to their face, to destroy them: He will not be slack to him that hates him, He will repay him to his face. Deu 7:10 Which also answers the question as to why the wicked will be raised in the second resurrection. Job 21:30-32
---josef on 3/12/17


to Josef: Hebrew 10:30 It is mine to avenge, i will repay. Is God of HIM to avenge? yes. When? I think it is when HIS child could not be more patient. Why? i do not know. If you know please share. But one thing i could share here is, God is good.
---ds on 3/11/17


To Bill: If sb is in free will, do you think it is a freedom? if free will is in sb, do you think it is a freedom?
i do not know much.
---ds on 3/11/17


To moderator: My question is "persuation" , not "force".The current reality is "force", for i think "fightings, killings or diseases" a force, not a persuation. The HOLY SPIRIT is a persuation to me, not a force.
---ds on 3/11/17




To Luke and Trey:
Hosea4:6 My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. i think the knowledge is two-way, 1, 1Cor 13:12 Now, we see....i shall know fully,even as i am fully known.2,Jhn17:3..Know you, the only true God...
so, we might know HIS PLAN, yes?
---ds on 3/11/17


ds, God made a plan before the foundation of the world and it is happening exactly as He planned it. Why He chose that particular plan we just do not know, but it was His plan and He is always right and just. Like Trey just said, it is His right to choose whatever plan He wanted.
He knew if He made that particular plan that man would fail, and so sin entered the world just as God knew it would. He designed it that way. He also designed that Jesus would die for the sins of those who would be saved. It was all done before the foundation of the world.
---Luke on 3/11/17


Why is there fighting, killing and diseases? That's easy, because sin entered into the world and death by sin so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned.

Why does God not persuade all people to choose His way? I don't know, but that's really not my business. That's God's business.
---Trey on 3/9/17


"Why almighty God does not persuade all people to choose HIS way?"
Because not every man can be persuaded. Father refers to them as stiffnecked and hardhearted.
---josef on 3/9/17


Evil does exist, no matter what anyone may say or argue about it. And I believe and experience we have God who is so good and better and superior to evil.

And I think it is a good question about
why > God < does not persuade everyone to choose His way. God's way includes >

Colossians 3:15 > always to submit to how our Heavenly Father rules us in His own peace, in our hearts.

Ephesians 5:2 > to walk in love like Jesus has loved us and gave Himself as a "sweet-smelling aroma" > being so sweetly pleasing to our Father, even while so suffering on Calvary > being sweetly pleasing in all circumstances would be included in living and loving in God's way (c:

Have we in free will been choosing this?
---Bill on 3/9/17


Pharisee:

A paradox can happen in one of two ways:
1) The fundamental rules under which a problem is stated are logically inconsistent, and no valid conclusion can ever be reached from them, or
2) The problem is approached from the wrong perspective. A different perspective resolves the paradox.

For example, in Achilles and the Tortoise, when Achilles (the fastest man alive) races the Tortoise (the slowest creature alive), he can never overtake it - a paradox. Yet simple observation shows that he DOES overtake it. The problem is just worded in a way to look at it from a faulty perspective.
---StrongAxe on 3/9/17


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Uh oh, this again...

I'm not stepping in it except to introduce the word "paradox."

Our God is the God of the paradox. He's God and yet man. He's unchangeable and yet became flesh, he's on the throne in Heaven and yet there's no escaping him, I could literally go on and on, but I think you mortals get the point. Some things are beyond explanation and I declare this to be one of them.

Paradox. Keep that word in mind.
---Pharisee on 3/9/17


God does not persuade all people to choose his way, because God left that choice up to man.
---David on 3/9/17


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