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Do Ghosts Exist

Is it just me or does it seem strange that Jesus doesn't rebuke the idea of the existence of ghosts in Luke 24:37-39?

He even proves that He isn't a ghost by eating.

Why didn't He just tell them to calm down because ghosts do not exist?

V39..a ghost does not have flesh and bones,

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Jerry6593:

I said they were not PHYSICAL. I didn't say they weren't REAL. Physical things, by nature, are corrupt and decay. People in heaven do not. Yes, Jesus was physical WHEN HE WAS HERE. Luke 24:39 was not broadcast by megaphone from heaven. Straw men belong in Oz, not in reasoned discussions.

Again, you make ad-hominem attacks, and bring irrelevant politics into a purely theological discussion.
---StrongAxe on 5/24/17


Now those who disagree with The doctrine of soul sleep are LEFTIES.....HOW UTTERLY JEVENILE.

White robes is Symbolic of purity, righteousness etc. and much of Revelations IS FUTURE. We know the first resurrection has not taken place yet.

Our souls TODAY are either with the Lord, as scripture states are IN CHRIST, or those without Christ are as we see in Luke, in a place SEPARATED, yet still consciously aware they are lost, without hope, cannot communicate with the living, and waiting for Judgement day. They are NOT roaming around the universe.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/17


ax: "Heaven contains people and clothes and buildings, even though none of those are ACTUALLY physical."

So what are they? Imaginary? You left out food and drink. Of what use are these to non-physical people. Jesus proved that He was physical when He said:

Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

As for the sons of God being other than human:

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the SONS OF GOD, even to them that believe on his name:

You lefties live in La-la Land.


---Jerry6593 on 5/24/17


Ecclesiastes - 9:5 - For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, , neither have any more a reward : for the memory is forgotten,

( KJB- NAS - ASB - ESV - NLT - NIV - etc, All the Bibles I look up use Reward in this verse, }

Luke 6:23 - Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold , Your Reward is great in heaven: for in the manner did their fathers unto the prophets,

---RichardC on 5/23/17


Micha, yes God can hear the prayers of sinners REPENTING. NOT THE SAME AS THE WITCH. good grief. I only read your first statement and refuse to read the rest of your comment Micha.

YOU are free to believe what you want. So am I. I stated according to MY CONSCIENCE and the word of God, giving reasonable reasons why I HAVE A PROBLEM with mans interpretation. The Lord,knows my concerns, and respects my concerns.

I'm not here to convince anyone one way or another, as our faith is a personal matter in issues like these we will not all agree on.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/17




/If God cannot hear sinners, how did he hear the Witch?\-kathr4453 on 5/22/17
But God can hear sinners. He heard each one of us cry out to Him to be saved.
A Pharisee said:
Jhn 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners:
Yet it was the publican that went away justified.
And we don't even know if the witch spoke out at all other than the scream. That seems presumptuous.
Speaking of the mantle and clothing, would you rather Samuel appear naked? Even when angels appear, which are real, they are appear clothed, so why not Samuel?
The Bible said it was Samuel, Samuel, the prophet's prophecies came true, therefore, it must have been Samuel.
Unless you /are willing to deny the clearest scriptures to the contrary\.
---micha9344 on 5/23/17


Jerry6593:

Both Ecc and Lk are stated "factually". We use common sense to distinguish literal from metaphoric in all writings. Heaven contains people and clothes and buildings, even though none of those are ACTUALLY physical.


kathr4453:

Scripture clearly says "sons of God" procreated with human women. Interpret that how you will. Holy Spirit didn't have sperm either, yet Mary became pregnant. For Samuel's mantle, see above.

God hears everyone, even sinners, and trees that fall in the woods (otherwise, he wouldn't be omniscient). It's his choice whether to act on what he hears.

Everything that happens, God MUST have allowed, for if he forbade it, it couldn't have happened!
---StrongAxe on 5/23/17


axster: "If you insist on taking Ecc 9:5,6 literally, you must also say Jesus was wrong in The Rich Man and Lazarus."

No, Ecc 9:5,6 is stated factually, and Luke 16 is obviously a parable for several reasons: It begins with "There was a certain rich man" and ends with "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." All of the righteous dead reside on Abraham's chest. There is open communication and line-of-sight observation between the righteous and the lost even though there is a "great gulf" between them.

This sure doesn't sound literal to me.

BTW, do you hear Moses and the Prophets?


---Jerry6593 on 5/23/17


Strongaxe, many Christians believe angels procreated with humans. HOWEVER, other places in scripture clearly state Angels CANNOT PROCREATE...PERIOD. EVen if an angel did changed form to look like man, in no way says they had LIVE SPERM living in that form or had the power to CREATE A NEW FORM OF LIFE. Yet those verses that stand alone in Genesis , many believe clearly state it happened.

I don't know the answer....I just said I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE TEXT, held up to other text.

Samuels mantel did not go to the after life with Samuel. So THAT part was an ILLUSION.

If God cannot hear sinners, how did he hear the Witch? There are NUMEROUS ISSUES HERE.

I personally don't care. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GHOSTS.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/17


Also Strongaxe, there is NO scripture that said GOD ALLOWED it either. That is presumptuous on your part as well, I f you want to get down to nit picking here. You BELIEVE it based on your presumptuous notion that GOD ALLOWED IT. You say God ALLOWED SIN, that God indulged IN SIN.......soooooooo I also have a problem with that as well.

Maybe the Lord hopes we use our God given DISCERNMENT when reading scripture. You see scripture from a technical point of view, and I see it from a spiritual point of view.

WE DONT EAT His flesh literally or drink His blood literally either...yet look at all the fights here on line over those verses that say WE MUST. But we KNOW it's not the technical literal...but the spiritual.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/17




/Why do people need to keep adding words and explanations to rationalize that something written in plain black and white didn't actually happen?\-StrongAxe on 5/22/17
I like Jerry's answer:
/...they are willing to deny the clearest scriptures to the contrary and twist other scriptures to fit their unbiblical paradigm.\-Jerry6593 on 5/16/17
---micha9344 on 5/22/17


kathr4453:

Samuel's image was wearing a mantle. So what? The dead in heaven wear white robes, and they don't have bodies either. In any case, 1 Samuel 28 doesn't say an angel in Samuel's form spoke or was seen. It doesn't say a demon in Samuel's form spoke or was seen. It doesn't say the witch lied. It doesn't say Saul was deceived. It said one thing over and over again: "Samuel was", "Samuel said". Why do people need to keep adding words and explanations to rationalize that something written in plain black and white didn't actually happen?
---StrongAxe on 5/22/17


Strongaxe, I think 1 Samuel 28 leaves me with questions. You said the souls of Lazarus and the rich man do not have bodies...I agree, so Samuel having a body wearing a mantel is puzzling to me. Also Saul never saw Samuel with his own eyes, but only asked the witch to describe what she saw. Sure she was scared,.....because whatever happened there that day was something even she never encountered....
I know Angels were also Gods messengers, and for all we know an angel of the Lord may have taken on the form of Samuel or something that may have reminded Saul,of Samuel like a mantel and prophecied to Saul his end.

To insist it WAS Samuel in the form of a man wearing clothing .......I will always question.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/17


kathr4453:

They can't - which is why the witch was so susprised. God allowed, so Samuel could condemnation Saul, for doing the forbidden AND hypocrisy (i.e. killing all mediums, but then using one).


Samuelbb7:

Why would Jesus use a bad theological model (e.g. dead being conscious and acting) in a parable? He never talked about reincarnation, polytheism, or any other bad ones.

Lazarus and the rich man had no bodies, but that was not the point - they were dead YET conscious, contradicting Ecclesiastes - *IF* you insist on taking things literally.

Where in the Bible is the words immortal soul?

1 Cor 15:16-18, apparently - otherwise, the warning is meaningless.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/17


I totally agree with Bren. The devil or unsaved people or even saved people do not have the power to conjure up the dead. Even in the book of Luke the dead could not communicate with the living, and in the Gospel of Luke JESUS was telling the story. Demons CAN TAKE ON FORMS. Remember demons are fallen angels, and we know angels could look like man.
---kathr4453 on 5/21/17


Hello Strong Ax. The Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus tells that those who are rich think they are saved. While they despise the poor because they considered them cursed.

When in fact the opposite could be true. Jesus told them they would not believe if Lazarus was raised.

He raised Lazarus and they didn't believe him.

Tell me what kind of bodies those in hell and the Bosom of Abraham have?

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
1Corithians 15:16-18

Where in the Bible is the words immortal soul?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/21/17


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Samuelbb7:

If somebody calls you in the middle of the night, you can ignore it, or answer it in an annoyed tone. It's your choice. Samuel CHOSE to respond to the Saul.


Jerry6593:

Your ignorance of the Bible knows no bounds!

How about yours? They are clearly different:

Hebrews 4:12: For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit ...
1 Thessalonians 5:23: ... your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless...
Revelation 16:3: ... and every living soul died in the sea.

If you insist on taking Ecc 9:5,6 literally, you must also say Jesus was wrong in The Rich Man and Lazarus.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/17


1Sa 28:19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me
1Sa 31:6 So Saul died, and his three sons, and his armourbearer, and all his men, that same day together.
-This looks quite specific to me.
-Who? Saul and his sons.
-When? On the morrow.
-How? Philistine invasion.
-Nothing near the vagueness of Nostradamus and Ellen G. White.
-Also notice "be with me."
-Are Saul and his sons with the demons now or with Samuel?
-It is clear. It was the prophet Samuel.
Again, Jerry said it best:
/...they are willing to deny the clearest scriptures to the contrary and twist other scriptures to fit their unbiblical paradigm.\
---micha9344 on 5/20/17


Actually Micha

There are many Protestants who don't believe that A servant of the devil can command a Prophet of GOD to leave heaven or where the dead are come to them.

I don't believe most Christians think the Devil is more powerful than GOD.

Also Saul thought or perceived it was Samuel from the description of the witch.

That Saul was going to die was easy. Any person could guess that.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/20/17


ax: "Spirits aren't put into bodies to create souls. They are two totally different things."

Your ignorance of the Bible knows no bounds!

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils,



micha: "The only reason to believe it wasn't Samuel is"

Ecc 9:5,6 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, ... neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.



---Jerry6593 on 5/20/17


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/...do you trust your doctrine to the visions of a witch and the PERCEPTION of a rejected, apostate king?\-Jerry6593 on 5/19/17
No, but I do trust the Bible and scripture says:
1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel...
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul...
1Sa 28:16 Then said Samuel...
1Sa 28:20 ...because of the words of Samuel...
-prophetic words from the LORD which came true by the way.
-The only reason to believe it wasn't Samuel is believing a 19th century false prophetess instead of the Bible.
Again-
/...they are willing to deny the clearest scriptures to the contrary and twist other scriptures to fit their unbiblical paradigm.\
---micha9344 on 5/19/17


bren:

Many churches teach this, but the Bible doesn't say contracting spirits if forbidden BECAUSE they're actually demons. When the Witch of Endor pretended to conjure up Samuel, she was genuinely surprised (and terrified) when the real Samuel actually showed up. (Mediums use cheap parlor tricks to fake supernatural manifestations, not expecting real ones.)


Jerry6593:

Spirits aren't put into bodies to create souls. They are two totally different things.

1 Sa 28:13: "The woman said... 'I saw'" (fallible woman speaking)
1 Sa 28:15: "Samuel said". Not "the image perceived as Samuel said". Not "the spirit pretending to be Samuel said". (Infallible author of 1 Sa speaking).
---StrongAxe on 5/19/17


The bible states clearly the divination (mediumship) is against our law, the reason is that evil spirits(fallen angels) live in a timeless dimension, therefore they can mimic loved ones, and know things to distract humanity into believing and thinking and in some cases worshiping them. Their job is to keep us deceived. There are not ghosts..only evil spirits as evidenced in the bible
---bren on 5/19/17


ax: "We are not talking about SOULS. We are talking about SPIRITS."

Great! But whose SPIRIT is put into one's body to make a mortal SOUL? The Bible maintains that it is God's spirit that activates the body, and not a conscious being (a spook). Most of your antinomian Christian friends adhere to the belief that a person's soul is an independent (of the body) spirit.

The witch of Endor "saw gods ascending out of the earth" (1Sa 28:13) and "Saul perceived that it was Samuel" (1Sa 28:14). Do you believe that "gods" ascend out of the earth? and do you trust your doctrine to the visions of a witch and the PERCEPTION of a rejected, apostate king?



---Jerry6593 on 5/19/17


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Jerry6593:

We are not talking about SOULS. We are talking about SPIRITS. The Bible distinguishes uses differennt words for these. The Bible clearly says souls die. By conflating these two concepts, you erroneously create a straw man, which you then demolish.

The Bible doesn't say the Witch of Endor saw a demon impersonating Samuel. It says she saw Samuel. Period. You are reading between the lines to justify your own unbiblical interpretation. The conjuration was improper (i.e. one is never supposed to conjure up the dead), and it violated his rest. He exercised his office of prophet one last time, and predicted dire consequences for Saul, which did, indeed, come to pass.
---StrongAxe on 5/17/17


/...they are willing to deny the clearest scriptures to the contrary and twist other scriptures to fit their unbiblical paradigm.\
1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel,
/The Witch of Endor did NOT see Samuel - she saw a demon impersonating Samuel.\-Jerry6593 on 5/16/17
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul,
-And again:
/...they are willing to deny the clearest scriptures to the contrary and twist other scriptures to fit their unbiblical paradigm.\
---micha9344 on 5/16/17


"Is it just me or does it seem strange that Jesus doesn't rebuke the idea of the existence of ghosts in Luke 24:37-39?"
Nicole, you are correct. There is such a thing as ghosts. The reason Jesus told them He was not a ghost was because he had a flesh and blood body. And they were wondering how he came in the house when everything was close and locked (John 20:19) and here was Jesus inside the house so as far as they were concern only a ghost could do what Jesus did. Come inside without having to open the doors. How did Jesus do that having a human body? Well He was God.
I see Jerry is still using the word "spook" when the Bible calls the word Spirit of man. Jesus had a spirit (John 13:21) and a soul (Matt. 26:38).
---Luke on 5/16/17


The Greek word translated as ghost is pneuma which is a generic term for spirit or a being in spirit form. The term is used for demons (evil spirits), angels in spirit form and the spirit of God. It is not necessarily the same as the modern idea of ghosts who refuse to move on because of unfinished business. However, there are some indications that God may sometimes send the spirit of someone who has died to fulfill a specific assignment.
---Julie on 5/16/17


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Steveng: Excellent point! People want so badly to believe in a conscience, immortal existence after death that they are willing to deny the clearest scriptures to the contrary and twist other scriptures to fit their unbiblical paradigm.



ax: To clarify, if you believe the Bible's definition of a soul (Gen 2:7) as requiring a body, and its pronouncement that we are not immortal (1Tim 6:16), then you will be immune from the Satanic deception of ghosts, spooks, etc. The Witch of Endor did NOT see Samuel - she saw a demon impersonating Samuel. Similarly, Satan himself will impersonate Christ before Christ's return. If you continue to believe the lie, you may be fooled.




---Jerry6593 on 5/16/17


Jerry6593:

You wrote: Only those who believe the pagan myth of spooks within us will fall for the Satanic deceptions of spiritualism.

Could you please clarify just WHICH beliefs comprise "the Satanic deceptions of spiritualism"?

If it's the idea that spirits can assume human form, Jesus had plenty of opportunity to debunk that after his resurrection, but instead demonstrated that he was NOT a spirit, rather than that spirits don't exist.

The Witch of Endor was unpleasantly shocked when Samuel's spirit spoke to her.

The Bible tells us that we are NOT to seek out dead spirits to communicate with them (i.e. necromancy). It's not necessary to command people to do that which is already impossible.
---StrongAxe on 5/15/17


Jesus said unto the thief, "Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise..,"

How could Jesus be in "paradise" that same day when he was buried for three days? 1 Corinth 15:3-4, John 19:41-42, Act 2:31

Since Jesus did not go to paradise that same day neither did the thief. The thief had asked earlier, "Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom" (Luke 23:42).

Also, consider the punctuation. The original Greek does not include the comma before the word "today."
---Steveng on 5/15/17


Only those who believe the pagan myth of spooks within us will fall for the Satanic deceptions of spiritualism.




---Jerry6593 on 5/15/17


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Luke 23:42 - And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest unto thy Kingdom.

Luke 23:43 - And Jesus said unto him , Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise,

Luke 23:44 - And it was about the sixth hour, and darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour,

Luke 23:45 - And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst,

Luke 23:46 - And when Jesus had Cried with a loud voice, he said , Father into thy hands I commend my Spirit: and having said this gave up the Ghost,

Romans 8:10 - And Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin, But the spirit is life because of Righteousness
---RichardC on 5/14/17


I agree that no Ghosts exists. Spirit in the Bible is also translated as Breath. No where in the Bible is it stated we have an immortal soul.

Genesis stated we are a soul.Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Only God is immortal.

1Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/14/17


Every picture that was taken of ghosts wore clothes Everyone who has seen ghosts at a seance sees them wearing clothes. Do clothes become ghosts, too?
---Steveng on 5/14/17


We do not have a spirit man inside of us that leaves us when we die ?

Genesis 35:18 - And it came to pass, as her soul was departing ( for she had died) that she called his name Ben-oni : but his father call him benjamin,

Luke 8:55 - And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway, and he commanded to give her meat,

( We have soul and spirit coming and going, What is that all about ? )

2 Corinthians 5:8 - We are confident, I say, willing rather to be absent from the body, and be present with the lord,

Absent : Not being present in a place ,

2 Corinthians 12:2 - ( You have another out body things going on ! )
---RichardC on 5/10/17


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Truthseeker: It seems that you are indeed a truth finder.



---Jerry6 on 5/8/17


No ghosts don't exist. Ecclesiastes chapter 4 says their is no knowledge of life or death after you die. Angels and demons do exist. We do not have a spirit man inside of us that leaves when we die. That is a pagan doctrine and was never taught by Christ or the apostles or prophets. We simply cease to exist after death, until the resurrection of the dead.
---Truthseeker on 5/7/17


Ghost : Origin - Old english - gast- [ in the sense "spirit , soul " } of Germanic origin: related to the Dutch geest and german Geist. The gh spelling occurs first in Caxton, probably influence by flemish gheest,
---RichardC on 5/5/17


Hi Bill, the Disciples were uneducated according to the Leaders. But they knew their Scriptures. A Differences

Remember the Disciples cast out demons and pleased in telling Jesus.

So Jesus wan't with them in order to tell them which is a demon, angel or a ghost.

Also, the Writers of the Gospels are specific when stating what feared the Disciples. Luke and Mark are getting their info from the Disciples themselves.

Demons who are Spirits can eat in human bodies.

A ghost can not eat.

The point is that Jesus NEVER tells them that ghosts does NOT exist.
Not after walking on water or after His Resurrection.

Only the Pharisees accused Jesus was being a demon and Jesus corrected them immediately.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/4/17


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But, Jerry, the original Greek word not only can mean "wind" in context, but, as Strong's points out through your incomplete post, it can mean the human spirit or soul.
It is getting quite laughable that you continue to use "spook" and seem unable to use what the rest of Christianity uses, "spirit."
Let's try a few more incomplete, out-of-context Jerry definitions shall we?
Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in (wind?, breath?):for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 12:43 When the unclean (breath?, wind?) is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Mat 26:41 ...the (breath? wind?) indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
---micha9344 on 5/4/17


Jerry6593:

Luke 24:39
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Jesus was specificaly debunking the idea that he was a spirit. This means that he either believed that it was possible for spirits to have human form and behave like humans, or at least he recognized that it was a popular belief among others, and worthy of addressing.

If spirits could NOT appear as ghosts, he could just as easily have said "winds do not assume human form", but didn't do so.
---StrongAxe on 5/4/17


micha: It appears that you believe in spooks, and nothing can dissuade you. I merely point out that the original Greek word was "wind", and you blow a gasket. Are you really a spiritualist?



---Jerry6593 on 5/4/17


/From Strong's (not Jerry's) Concordance, the Greek word for spirit in Luke 24:37 is:
"G4151
pneuma
pnyoo'-mah
From G4154, a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze, by analogy or figuratively a spirit"\
-But that is Jerry's concordance, because you cherry-picked only what suited your view.
-Here is the rest of Strong's:
..., i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit:ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.
A couple of the uses Strong's gives are:
III B. a human soul that has left the body
II B. the soul
Only down to V we see the wind or breath.
---micha9344 on 5/2/17


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Jerry6593:
You wrote: That's the same Greek word that gives us "pneumatic" tires. Are your tires filled with spirits?

No, but that's a ridiculous argument. Every language is filled with words that are related to each other in spelling, and are also related to each other in meaning even though their meanings are not identical.

Cars and elephants and trees and swimmers all have trunks, but their shapes and uses are very different.

When Jesus said there would be "earthquakes in divers places", he was not warning against scuba gear.

Pneuma means breath or wind or spirit. Spirits are as ephemeral as air, but sentient, which wind is not.
---StrongAxe on 5/2/17


micha: From Strong's (not Jerry's) Concordance, the Greek word for spirit in Luke 24:37 is:

"G4151
pneuma
pnyoo'-mah
From G4154, a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze, by analogy or figuratively a spirit"

That's the same Greek word that gives us "pneumatic" tires. Are your tires filled with spirits?



---Jerry6593 on 5/2/17


/...the original Hebrew and Greek words used were "breath" or "wind" and not a disembodied human intelligence (spook).\
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit.
Jerry's Authorized Versions:
But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a "breath."
But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a "wind."
It sounds quite ridiculous when poor interpretation is used.
---micha9344 on 5/1/17


Hi, Nicole (c: In a post, below, you say Jesus would have been mad if they were calling Jesus a demon, by calling Him a ghost. They were not saying that, like how the Pharisees could blaspheme Jesus. So, Jesus had no reason to be angry at them.

And they were not spiritual, at that time. So, they very possibly did not know about things like that.

And, later, Jesus said He had a body which a spirit does not have. He did not say a spirit could not appear to people. And demons are evil spirits.

I think, if the disciples cried out with fear when they saw Jesus on the water, they could have the idea that when they were going to die they could see a spirit coming for them. They were uneducated fishermen.
---Bill on 5/1/17


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Whether the word "spirit" or "ghost" is used, the original Hebrew and Greek words used were "breath" or "wind" and not a disembodied human intelligence (spook). This (spook) concept comes from pagan Greek philosophy which postulated a "good" spook trapped in an "evil" body.



---Jerry6593 on 5/1/17


Thanks StrongAxe.

StrongAxe, note 'giving up the ghost' means death which means a ghost was a human FIRST.

Which is my point. The Disciples are not confusing demons with ghost (humans).

My other point is that the Disciples NEVER screamed "Its the Holy Ghost!"

They simply say "Ghost"

//It also uses the phrase Holy Ghost many times.
English of that time used the word "ghost" interchangeably with "spirit", as we still often do today.---StrongAxe on 4/30/17

I know but the word 'Holy' is in front of ghost.

When someone says ghost you know that are talking about a dead human.
Rather you believe in ghosts or not.

Seems Jesus believe in ghosts.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/30/17


Nicole_Lacey:

KJV uses the phrase "gave up the ghost" many times, i.e. Genesis 25:8,17,18,29,31, Job 3:11, 10:18, 11:20, 13:19, 14:10, Jeremiah 15:9, Lamentations 1:19, Mark 15:37,39, Luke 23:46, John 19:30.

It also uses the phrase Holy Ghost many times.

English of that time used the word "ghost" interchangeably with "spirit", as we still often do today.
---StrongAxe on 4/30/17


Nicole, we have been over this many times. You do not even know what a STRONGS concordance is. It is the actual original words before its many umpteen variations of translations.

Therefore YOUR version of those does not exist in the original.

Cluny tried to tell you this nicely in his own way.....that the original translation does not use the word ghost coming out of Jesus mouth.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. There are no ghosts ....there are however demonic apparitions, and demon possession. The soul,or spirits of man after death is NOT roaming the earth...PERIOD.

But if YOU want to believe in ghosts...go ahead. Just don't twist scripture to support your beliefs and then FORCE that on others.
---kathr4453 on 4/30/17


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//Giving up the ghost//

Cite the Scripture.

//THE HOLY GHOST,//

My Bible states The Holy Spirit. Which is the 3rd Person of the Trinity.

Only Jesus speaks of Him in the Gospel. Not one Disciple said "It's The Holy Ghost."

Ghost is without a title in front of it which means as we thought throughout history. A dead people with a dim bodily frame.

//apparitions are demonic. Please know the difference.---kathr4453

Seems you don't know

Look up the definition of apparitions

**a ghost or ghostlike image of a person.

Demons are not past humans who lived on earth.

They are Angels who lived in Heaven, but kicked out and no longer able to go back to Heaven.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/30/17


micha9344:

You wrote: Jesus never told His disciples that he wasn't a ghost, so who is putting words into Jesus' mouth?

Luke 24:39
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Some translations use "ghost" rather than "spirit".
---StrongAxe on 4/29/17


***//He just tells them He isn't a ghost.\-Nicole_Lacey on 4/29/17

Jesus never told His disciples that He wasn't a ghost, so who is putting words into Jesus' mouth?
---micha9344 on 4/29/17

I just cited Matthew 14:25-27

**Shortly before dawn Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. When the disciples saw Him walking on the lake, they were terrified. Its a GHOST, they said, and cried out in fear.
But Jesus immediately said to them: Take courage! It is I. Don't be afraid.***

Are you trying to say Jesus ISN'T denying being a Ghost?

In Luke 24:37-39 Jesus PROVES he isn't a ghost by eating while explaining to them that ghost DON'T EAT!
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/29/17


I looked up all scripture using the word ghost. Scripture teaches scripture.

There are two references

Giving up the ghost....and the Hebrew word here for ghost in STRONGS IS ALSO the same word for death, deceased. So giving up the ghost it appears is an EXPRESSION used for death.

And the second is THE HOLY GHOST, and we all know that does not mean an apparition of a human. Nor is the Holy Ghost a ghost like some think ghost is in say GHOSTBUSTERS.

apparitions are demonic. Please know the difference. Mary is NOT appearing to anyone either.
---kathr4453 on 4/29/17


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/Sorry folks, but again you are all trying to put words into Jesus' mouth.\-Nicole_Lacey on 4/28/17
/He just tells them He isn't a ghost.\-Nicole_Lacey on 4/29/17
Jesus never told His disciples that he wasn't a ghost, so who is putting words into Jesus' mouth?
---micha9344 on 4/29/17


Are you all trying to say that the Disciples were accusing Jesus of being a demon???

Matthew 14:25-27
Shortly before dawn Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. When the disciples saw Him walking on the lake, they were terrified. Its a GHOST, they said, and cried out in fear.

But Jesus immediately said to them: Take courage! It is I. Dont be afraid.***

Remember, Jesus gets MAD every time He is being accused of being a demon!
But never when He is being accused of being a ghost.

He consoles the Disciples everything time.

Not ONCE does Jesus calls them silly for believing in ghosts.

He just tells them He isn't a ghost.

A BIG DIFFERENCE!
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/29/17


Sorry folks, but again you are all trying to put words into Jesus' mouth.

Plus, you are acting as if the Disciples do not KNOW the differences between demons and ghosts.

1. Demons occupying human bodies can EAT.

2. Demons NOT occupying bodies have NO FORM for us to look at in order to frighten us.

Remember, the Disciples were not looking at a shadow dimmed body. They were looking at a real Person: Jesus.

They were afraid because Jesus appeared out of thin air.

Read the V36

V36 While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, Peace be with you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/28/17


Bill:

You wrote: What ones call a ghost can be an evil spirit pretending to be a dead human.

While this MAY be the case, it is not NECESSARILY the case. When Saul got the Witch of Endor to conjure up Samuel, two interesting happened. First, she was frightened, because he actually appeared. (Presumably, she was a charalatan who just pretended to summon up the dead, and was not expecting one to actually show up. Compare Whoopie Goldberg's role in "Ghost".) Second, it was actually Samuel who came, not some other spirit pretending to be Samuel. He was still exercising his office of prophet, condemning Saul, and predicting his punishment.
---StrongAxe on 4/29/17


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Bill: "What ones call a ghost can be an evil spirit pretending to be a dead human."

Amen! Exactly! And if dead humans are NOT alive as spooks, then there is no such thing as ghosts in the classical sense.


Pay attention Axster, this is why Satan's deception in Eden is relevant here. Dead people remain dead until the resurrection at Jesus' second coming. Thus, they can't be ghosts. Are you still going with Satan's lie in this as you did with Evolution?



---Jerry6593 on 4/29/17


Seances "prove" the existence of "ghosts" to the participants. A sly strategy of Satan to make people believe that their dearly departed are "ghosts" thus turning people away from the word of God.
---Steveng on 4/29/17


Good point Bill. I agree.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/27/17


Jesus showed He is not a spirit. This can mean He was not one of Satan's spirits.

What ones call a ghost can be an evil spirit pretending to be a dead human.

A spirit of Satan can effect a human's personality, so when later the spirit appears it seems to be that human, since it shared its characteristics with the selfish human . . . possibly someone who was an idol for people, and so the people would be wishfully ready to suppose the spirit really is that human.
---Bill on 4/26/17


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Jerry6593:

You wrote: So who ya gonna believe Axey, God or Satan?

That is a false dilemma. It would be apt if Satan said "Ghosts exist" and God said "Ghosts do not exist", but nowhere does the Bible say either of them said either of those things, so it's not relevant here.
---StrongAxe on 4/27/17


Ghost by definition is "A disembodied spirit, imagined." That says it all. I have no idea why Jesus did not denounce the existence of ghosts. Perhaps it was for the same reason He never spoke of false gods, It had nothing to do with the gospel teaching or preaching of the kingdom of God and Heaven.
---Josef on 4/26/17


ax: "there must have already been a cultural belief that such things exist"

Yes indeed. They had paganism and spiritualistic influences around even in Christ's day. Satan has been at work spreading his lies since the garden of Eden. Remember, God said:

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

But Satan replied:

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

So who ya gonna believe Axey, God or Satan?



---Jerry6593 on 4/26/17


The fact that the stone was rolled away and His body was not in the tomb says it all. But take into account too, people had no clue what to expect. And Jesus words are clarified to this very day that He rose from the dead, and this also showing that the furure prophecy of the return of Jesus Christ , the Son of David will one day take the throne and reign and rule for 1000 years, and not as a ghost, or spirit, or spiritualized away as some doctrines teach.

Zechariah 12-14. The literal Glorified King is coming to reign and rule for 1000 years, and then after He rules, will deliver all up to the Father, just as scripture states. 1 Corinthians 15.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/17


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After his resurrection, Jesus told his disciples that had flesh and bone, not like a ghost/spirit. The very fact that he had to say this at all meant that they must have believed he WAS a ghost (and that, because there must have already been a cultural belief that such things exist). Also, Jesus COULD have said "I'm not a ghost, because there is no such a thing as a ghost", but he didn't do that, and instead said "I have flesh and bones, unlike a ghost".
---StrongAxe on 4/25/17


NO! There is no such thing as ghosts (That is, spooks of the Halloween variety). The root word for both spirit and ghost in Hebrew (OT) and Greek (NT) is BREATH. We are "inspired" (breathed into) by God, and we "expire" (breathe out) when we die.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing ...


---Jerry6593 on 4/25/17


I agree with Cluny here. Different translations confuse. The idea of spirits , as angels too were spirits, not ghosts, and clearly says God is a spirit, and before Jesus was made flesh was also spirit. But I don't think of then as being ghosts, as we think of ghosts being the after product?? of a human who's spirit/soul wanders around after they died.

Hopefully that is not what Nicole is trying to encourage here. That goes against scripture.

More than likely that is demons.
---kathr4453 on 4/25/17


Many people use the words "spirit" and "ghost" interchangeably. For example, "The Holy Spirit" is often called "The Holy Ghost". Dying is called "giving up the ghost".
---StrongAxe on 4/24/17


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Cluny, I heard it doing Mass recently.

I do believe the Catholic Church in the Latin Rite uses the NAB for Her Liturgies.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/23/17


Dear Christine,
For so many years of my Journey towards HIM, the only thing i learned is to pray HIM for every desire i desired. So i pray God to give you a women fellowship or lead you to a women fellowship, or He use you to set a women fellowship or He is your women fellowship. No matter what, i pray God to put you in a women fellowship. May God bless you, dear.
---ds on 4/23/17


What translation of the Bible are you using, Nicole? The NAB?

KJV and most other translations use "spirit" and not "ghost."

This is one of my complaints about the NAB: it tries too hard to be different.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/23/17


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