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What Is The Curse Of Ham

"What is the curse of Ham?"

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Bryan said, " Joseph how does Noah cursing Canaan rather than Ham change the senarial that I have set forth? Why do you think they were "pulling my change"?"

Bryan, I am not going to give you a Biblical statement or defense or refutation of your position. What I am going to talk about is your spelling and grammar. The word that you spelled "senarial" is actually spelled scenario. And nobody pulls "change." They pull CHAINS.

Please learn to speak and spell properly. You will have a much better life if you can do that.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/15/17


Ham was not cursed. Only his son Canaan was. Ham had several other sons and they were not cursed.
---Loony1 on 10/30/17


Jesus on the cross took our curse upon Himself. So, any curses of God against us have been intercepted by Jesus on the cross (c: So, it does not matter who was cursed and how, if we have trusted in Jesus > "old things have passed away" (in 2 Corinthians 5:17) > all our former identities are gone >

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28)

Plus, Jesus says the one who is blessed is the one who is servant of all (c:
---Bill on 8/29/17


Thank you Pg1. You are right, those verses would have to be "grossly taken out of context" to even attempt to justify "white supremacy" and the enslavement of African people, as if that foolishness and injustice could be justified.
---bryan on 8/23/17


Hi Bryan
The Book of Philemon
Lev. 25:44
Cain's curse in Gen. 4:15
Eph. 6:5, Col.3:22-4:1
Gen 15:13-14
---pg1 on 8/21/17




Jews view nakedness differently than us. Men don't even look at each other.

Just as Europeans think Americans are too sensitivity to nakedness.
Women can change their tops in public without going to jail. Not in America.

Ham didn't just look at his father he laughed at his father's nakedness.

Many people don't know this, but Jesus was crucified naked.

The Romans knew that Jews felt that dying in the nude was additional humiliating way to die.

Crucifixion was not only the hardest way to die, but also the most embarrassing way to die.

It was meant to teach others to fall in line.

Roman men on the other hand felt the Man's body was an image of perfection.

Every culture is different.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/21/17


Pg1 could you list some of the others?
---bryan on 8/21/17


The curse of Ham is one of many biblical narrative grossly taken out of context by Christians to justify white supremacy and the enslavement of African people.
---pg1 on 8/21/17


Also remember Noah cursed Canaan. God did not. And unless I missed something, there is no verse that states......" And for generations and generations after you.......or until kingdom come.....

I personally do not believe Noah had the power to curse anyone that would be something that would affect humanity for thousands of years. and looking throughout history, nowhere in scripture do I see any race fulfilling any made up twisted agenda that Canaan's descendants were slaves. Slave is not the same as servants.

Esau was prophesied to be the "servant" of Jacob,......and in no way implies SLAVERY.
---kathr4453 on 8/20/17


Bryan the plight of the black man, the dehumanizing hate, prejudice attitudes, fear, and God complex that led to slavery and the current injustice that plague our race is the work of Satan carried out by his minions. The ignorance and intolerance that continues to be displayed by those who oppose the love that the Father intend to be extended one towards another is authored by the god of this world. The Father allows it bring up and out of us, all that is within us for our own examination, so that we as a people might know, acknowledge, and repent of that which opposes who we are in Him. Strongaxe if it's clear to you, then so be it. Who am I to argue your belief?
---joseph on 8/18/17




Joseph their view just seem to me to be a plausible explanation for all I've seen and read concerning the experiences of black race historically. I just don't understand why a certain people has been used, exploited, and treated so poorly. I guess It will remain a mystery? Thank you for you response.
---bryan on 8/18/17


joseph:

The verses I quoted were very clear that what happened was Ham SAW his father's nakedness, while the other two did not because they carried a skin in and walked in backwards. Throwing a skin over your father's wife is NOT a cure for adultery - which it would have to be, if your theory were correct.

The Hebrew word for Brother is more inclusive than just "sons of the same father". We sometimes see the same in English - both Christians and African Americans call others of their group "brother" without regard to familial relationships.
---StrongAxe on 8/18/17


Bryan Noah curse Canaan not all the descendants of Ham, I don't know how the scenario you've mentioned can be applied to that situation. This statement was intended to read "Ham wasn't cursed." is a false statement.".
---joseph on 8/18/17


Strongaxe, When Noah woke up it is written that he knew what Ham had done, not what he had seen. The question I have, and it's rhetorical, is why would it anger Noah that his son saw him naked. It would seem to me, seeing that they probably bathed at that time in lakes, they saw each other naked quite often. In Gen 9:25 Canaan was cursed to be a servant to his brethren, and in the very next verse his brethren were identified as Shem and Japheth. The word translated brethren ('ach ) is the same word that translates brother [by blood], and is used to depict that all but once throughout the O.T. Why is Shem and Japheth not listed Canaans uncles?
---joseph on 8/18/17


joseph:

Genesis 9:21:
21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken, and he was UNCOVERED within his tent.
22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, SAW the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and COVERED the nakedness of their father, and their faces were backward, and they SAW not their father's nakedness.

While your theory that Ham "uncovering Noah's nakedness" was a euphemism for adultery is interesting, the above 3 verses show that it was, in fact, simply seeing him naked, exactly what it says.
---StrongAxe on 8/17/17


Joseph how does Noah cursing Canaan rather than Ham change the senarial that I have set forth? Why do you think they were "pulling my change"?
---bryan on 8/17/17


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Bryan "Ham wasn't cursed." is a flase statement. I apologize for my error. What I should have said is Ham wasn't curse by Noah, which I just assumed you were referring to. My bad.
---joseph on 8/17/17


:oD))))) Bryan someone is simply pulling your chain, or they are totally deluded themselves. Noah placed this so called curse on Canaan, not Ham, because he was a constant reminder to him of his sons disrespect and betrayal, and of his shame in allowing it to happen due to his lack of restraint and the resulting drunkenness. Ham uncovered his father's nakedness by laying sexually with his father's wife (Lev 20:11), and I believe Canaan was the result. I base that statement on the fact that it is written that Ham saw his father's nakedness. The phrase a father's nakedness is explained in Lev 18:8 I believe that terminology was use to explain Noah's anger. Noah was totally unjustified in cursing Canaan because Canaan had done no wrong.
---joseph on 8/17/17


"It records Noah cursing Ham and his descendants." Noah never cursed Ham.
---joseph on 8/16/17


Google: "curse of Ham".

Ham gransgressed, so Noah cursed his son Canaan instead. This is part of the ancient tradition of "the father eats sour grapes, and the son's teeth are set on edge" mentality that goes back as far as the Fall - children are punished for their parents' transgressions, for many generations to come, or somebody else is. It's also common in other cultures. Zeus was a notorious philanderer, but instead of his wife Hera taking it up with him, she persecuted his innocent son Heracles. Man sins, God destroys most innocent animals. Saudi terrorists blow up the World Trade Center, Bush attacks... Iraq.
---StrongAxe on 8/16/17


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Joseph, I have heard that the curse of ham explains the plight of the black man throughout history. It was said that Ham is the origin of the black race and his descendants were curse to be servants of Shem, who is said to be the origin of the white race. That the white race is guiltless in slavery because that slavery was ordained? Those who promote that view base it on Gen 9:26 & 27. I've read the statements, however I don't understand why God would honor designating one man subservient to another. I've always thought Him to be no respecter of persons although scripture does suggest that Jews are His favorite, and the fact remains the He has allowed slavery.
---bryan on 8/16/17


joseph, read the story of what happened with Noah and his sons shortly after the flood.

To summarize, Ham saw him passed out and naked, and told his brothers, who walked backward to cover Noah.

Look up the rest for yourself. It records Noah cursing Ham and his descendants.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/16/17


Bryan, exactly what are you asking? Ham wasn't cursed.
---joseph on 8/16/17


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