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Tearing Down Statues

If some believe tearing down statues would help erase awful memories to us Black people, why doesn't the Democrats change it own name?

After all, these statues represent mostly Leaders within the Democrat party and it's causes. Start with the NAME. Pull out the roots IF you really care.

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Does The Food Stamp program MAKE you buy milk when you already have milk? Or can you use your God given common sense and buy something else with that money? So it FORCES you to buy Milk when maybe you need meat? What If you are allergic to Milk, like so may people are? Or buy Powdered milk , that doesn't spoil. Is the program at fault, OR are many who are on the program not planning and using common sense? It's not the Governments fault Nicole PEOPLE are ignorant.

Don't bother with your answering about your FREE GOVERNMENT education. Why? because I never asked you a question in the first place. FREE GOVERNMENT IS FREE GOVERNMENT......that seems to have come with a good brainwashing ......so they got their money's worth.
---kathr4453 on 9/1/17


Kathr. You are missing the point. I'll clarify further.

Liberals are not the same as progressive Left (even though liberalism was once used for Left). Many liberals now denounce progressive Leftists as totalitarian bigots.
And it's the heartless bigoted progressives who are in the driving seat of the Left such as DEMs.

And it's these Leftists who hate Christianity even in Australia where theres no Joel Osteen. The selfish Left (like DEMs) are just haters feigning compassion, whilst in fact heartlessly destroying people's lives.

God's word does not return void. Thus I suggest preach the gospel, and don't frame love and compassion by the deceitful narrative of the heartless, bigoted Left.
---Haz27 on 9/1/17


Yes it may be true that Nicole's FREE GOVERNMENT education WAS in fact a total waste of Government programs. She now uses that education to assault people here with her hatred and twisted spin on who she THINKS is alt left or alt right. Yes her education was a TOTAL WASTE of our tax dollar educating people to be hateful and ignorant towards others, by being brainwashed by talking heads and FOX News. I want my money back.
---kathr4453 on 9/1/17


Josef, the programs themselves WASTE money.

Ex: Food stamps and free breakfast/lunch at school. Double payment.

I know people who used free breakfast because they were too LAZY to cook.

Food stamps and WIC program.: They increase food stamps by approx. $200 for a newborn. and give baby formula. Double payment.

My niece wasted a gallon of milk because she already had 2 gallons of milk in the refrigerator. Making room to 'fill' her new WIC Vouchers to get MORE MILK.
I suggested to only get the food needed from the voucher and skip the milk? She said she couldn't. She has to get EVERYTHING or NONE of it.

Kathr, I will answer you about my FREE Education later. Some are not ALLOWED to post back to back like you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/1/17


"School lunches, meals on wheels, and health care for millions are a waste?!" Nicole you answered Yes.
How do you think the money would be better used?
"t has been proven that the Government wastes MORE money trying to help than nongovernment originations." By whom, and why not?
---Josef on 9/1/17




I think what really annoys me Nicole, is that the taxes of both liberals and conservatives paid for your FREE GOVERNMENT PAID EDUCATION.

Please remember that. That program was not an EXCLUSIVE REPUBLICAN CHARITY ORGINIZATION that paid 100 % of your college education.

I don't give a flip that you NOW pay taxes and feel somehow that pays the folks or government back who paid for your FREE GOVERNMENT EDUCATION, on MY taxes. It doesn't. Your TAXES pay for other programs going to other misfortune people in NEED, like YOU once were.

And how many POOR KIDS work and paid their own way through school? LOTS.
---kathr4453 on 9/1/17


//to be so arrogant as to say you know ALL AND EVERY liberal person you falsely accuse as a BOGUS ALT LEFT//

Who said Liberals are the 'Alt left'? Only you.

Why are you calling people names. Liberals believe in 'live and LET live'. They are Libertarians.

They don't believe in violence to get one's way or to implement their intolerant ideology.

ANTIFA are Alt-Left!

Defend them all you want Kathr, but I WON'T!

//Give names Nicole, or else shut up.//

I guess I will start with you, Kathr.

Soooo, I have to SHUT UP if I don't do what you ask of me????

//Enough is enough of your spinning lies here. The hate from your heart is beyond words.---kathr

If I hit a nerve, I apologize.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/1/17


Alt Leftist are the most greediest, self indulgent, selfish, non tax paying citizens yet constantly worrying about other people paying taxes.

They drink their $7 Lattes using their $700 smart phone passing a Beggar on the street without a glance.



Wow Nicole, to be so arrogant as to say you know ALL AND EVERY liberal person you falsely accuse as a BOGUS ALT LEFT( no such animal except in your twisted imagination) you say are people hating folks so wealthy at that even..... WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE....Give names Nicole, or else shut up.

Enough is enough of your spinning lies here. The hate from your heart is beyond words.
---kathr4453 on 9/1/17


School lunches, meals on wheels, and health care for millions are a waste?!//

YES!

It has been proven that the Government wastes MORE money trying to help than nongovernment originations.

Alt Leftist are the most greediest, self indulgent, selfish, non tax paying citizens yet constantly worrying about other people paying taxes.

They drink their $7 Lattes using their $700 smart phone passing a Beggar on the street without a glance.

Me: No CRA in 1800's //For the umpteenth time, I am NOT talking about what ancestors long dead have done.---StrongAxe on 8/31/17

Please stop spinning, you are the one who claimed there were Republicans in the South during the civil war. Then you brought up CRA as an example.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/1/17


No one wants to hear a Gospel from someone who's values for life and charity are lacking. We are also to be a LIGHT in this world. And sacrifice IS LIGHT. When Jesus died for our sin, THERES ACTION IN YOUR FACE, not just words.

Christians And LIBERAL LEFTIES (as you call them) both see Osteen for exactly what that whole thing is....

Which says to me....even liberal lefties know and see what is truth and lie. so,with that Haz27, don't be so smug to think that even Liberals can't see a fake and liar when they see one. YOU just hate it WHEN they see one and call one out on it....WHY? Even Conservative Christians see the same thing....and too call one out on it.


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---kathr4453 on 9/1/17




Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Your momma told you never to excuse bad behavior with another bad behavior.

If racism is bad behavior, how is repudiating racism ALSO bad behavior?

No we defund Government WASTE social programs, but PERSONALLY fund them.

School lunches, meals on wheels, and health care for millions are a waste?!

How many church bake sales would it take to pay for JUST ONE person's 6-7-figure cancer treatment?

No CRA in 1800's

For the umpteenth time, I am NOT talking about what ancestors long dead have done. I'm talking about what political parties are doing NOW, within our own lifetimes.
---StrongAxe on 8/31/17


Kathr. I see it different than you.
The reality is simply that the Left hate Christianity.

For example here in Australia we do not have the Joel Osteen, etc, but the Left's Fake News media, etc, still attack any perceived representation of Christianity even if they have to lie to do so.

The Left hate God and seek instead their own Humanistic cult to rule the world. Christianity is thus seen as a barrier to their aspirations.

Don't forget how Lefties in the past, like Hitler, Stalin, etc, also hated Christianity and sought to destroy it.

BTW, how the lost see Christianity is by hearing the gospel of God's kingdom. One plants a seed, another waters it, and God provides the increase.
---Haz27 on 8/31/17


Haz27, Here's the problem...in today's Christianity, because of the prosperity Gospel many have misrepresented ....just as you just did.

So because America has been totally steeped in this garbage gospel, thanks also to the Calvinists ( sure you have those too) it's so easy to walk away saying Gods will, God is punishing them ...or they must be living in sin...bla bla bla. HOW the Lost see true Christianity is by our sacrifices. Joel Osteen is a perfect example of what is NOT Christianity.

Not only does the sun shine on the righteous and sinners, HURRICANES also affect the same as well. And believe me , thousands of Christians were affected. Hopefully they will see that the Prosperity Gospel IS GARBAGE. FINALLY.
---kathr4453 on 8/31/17


Kathr, St John Paul II apologized for any Catholic involvement not for running the Inquisition. A difference.

Just as he apologized for Catholic involvement in Slavery. The Catholic Church didn't run a Slavery Trade. Instead She ex-communicated any Slave owner.

StrongAxe, CC doesn't deny any really past. Nor destroying statues in the name of bad history YET keeping it's name.

Your momma told you never to excuse bad behavior with another bad behavior.

//Republican..claim to follow Jesus..yet they constantly defund social programs, health care..//

No we defund Government WASTE social programs, but PERSONALLY fund them.

//CRA = Civil Rights Act.---StrongAxe

No CRA in 1800's
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/31/17


Gay rights, abortion, gender identity, ... This is the electoral platform for the Democratic Party.
---David on 8/27/17

You tagged them by their platforms. Now they don't want to discuss this light that uncovers them in the corner of the room...so we get the typical .... change of subject or accusations that have nothing to do with their platforms and defense of the abominable issues they cherish.
Eze_7:4 And mine eye shall not spare thee, neither will I have pity: but I will recompense thy ways upon thee, and thine abominations shall be in the midst of thee: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
---Trav on 8/31/17


AXE. Why do Lefties create the hunger, and sickness, etc?

The DEM's destructive, divisive policies have harmed black Americans.

Consider Venezuela, once touted as a glowing example of Socialist success. But now it's citizens suffer hunger, sickness.

Consider Australia's remote Aboriginal communities with their poverty, child and substance abuse, sicknesses, etc, all of which is maintained by the Left's efforts.

BTW, God's word is SPIRITUAL (1Cor 2:14).
So who are the hungry referred to in scripture?
They are the spiritually lost, who lack Christ, our SPIRITUAL food and drink (1Cor 10:3,4).
Same applies to sick, naked, etc.

You should not read scripture like a natural man would (1Cor 2:14).
---Haz27 on 8/31/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

The Inquisition was run by the Catholic church all over Europe. The Spanish Inquisition was a part of it run jointly by Church and Spain.

Regardless of what name it officially prefers, if it doesn't see any need to change it to repudiate its past errors, why should Democrats or anyone else have to do so? If you can't answer that question, how can you expect anyone else to answer yours?

Do you think the Republican party's actions are logical? They claim to follow Jesus (who spoke of feeding the hungry, healing the sick, being peacemakers, condemning the rich, etc.) yet they constantly defund social programs, health care, increase the military, and bolster the rich.

CRA = Civil Rights Act.
---StrongAxe on 8/30/17


The Spanish Inquisition were ran by the Government and it wasn't ALL about religion. I denounced twice because StrongAxe keeps answering my question with a question.

StrongAxe: What's this OBSESSION with NAMES?//

No not names, but NAME - DEMOCRAT.

Again it is a question, not a request.

I am logical. The actions of the Democrat party TODAY isn't logical.

//Roman Catholic church must ALSO change its name because of past evils.//

Our official name isn't Roman. That's a nickname people use.

We acknowledge the ACTUAL evil done and displays them to the world.

The Holy See NEVER deflects it's past evil on another like the Democrats are doing to the Republicans.

What is CRA?
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/30/17


Nicole_Lacey:

The Inquisition was an arm of the Roman Catholic church, charged with stamping out heresy, and later Protestantism.

Protestants torturing Catholics was also evil, but not part of the Inquisition.

What's this OBSESSION with NAMES? If you INSIST Democrats should change their name because of past evils, then the Roman Catholic church must ALSO change its name because of past evils. Do you agree with that? If not, why the double standard?

Again NO REPUBLICAN HELD OFFICE IN THE SOUTH! NOT ONE!

Then how was the vote for the CRA 0 Republicans for, and 1 against?
---StrongAxe on 8/30/17


Nicole, the Spanish Inquisition was not Protestant. That's the second time here you have denied the Inquisition. How do you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously when you blatantly lie here.

Even the Crusades were evil Nicole. And let's remember the Pope in 2000 APOLOGIZED for the sins of the past Crusades....so ......

Your continued ranting about this subject actually makes you look racest. You want them to remainSO THAT you can constantly live in the past and ragging on Dixiecrats, democrats of the past. IF they were tried for treason, which was considered, there would be no monuments. Just because it was more important to heal, doesn't make it right they were erected 70 years AFTER the Civil war.
---kathr4453 on 8/29/17


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//antibellum Democrats were evil, just as Inquisition-era Catholics were evil.//

Protestants made up most of the Inquisition.
Democrats took a page out of Protestant's smear machine. Because it was really the Protestants in England that tortured Catholics just for being Catholics.

Let's talk about what has been going on in OUR LIFETIMES, because THAT is what is ACTUALLY affecting our lives NOW.//

Okay. Full circle.

People in the Democrat Party are tearing down statues TODAY but refuse to change their name TODAY. WHY?

//Granted, there was only one Republican, but he was racist,---StrongAxe

Again NO REPUBLICAN HELD OFFICE IN THE SOUTH! NOT ONE!

So all the Racists were in the Democrat party
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/29/17


//But, Nicole, were there not black men who helped with the dirty work of killing and kidnapping Africans for slavery?--Bill on 8/29/17

YES

I understand your slippy slope logic. That's why I asked the blog question.

If today's Democrats want to remove statues BECAUSE of deeds of past Democrats then the NEXT logicial slope would be to change their NAME as well. Since those Slave owning Democrats have the SAME name as the Party of today.

We have come full circle to my question. Thanks

Because the Democrats on CN REFUSE to answer that question.

StrongAxe keeps changing the subject to a fiction past of the Catholic Church. He refuses to start a blog concerning his own made up question.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/29/17


Nurse: "An interesting statement in that almost 50% of SDA are Democrats. Only 35% are republican.. Maybe you should talk to your church elders."

Close. Pew Research shows 45% Dem. Our denomination has been infected with the disease of liberalism as has many others. I have talked to the Church Elders at length, and battle the backslide continuously in my local church(es). We are supposed to be a Bible-based denomination, but many base their decisions on feelings or skin color rather than "thus saith the Lord".


---Jerry6593 on 8/29/17


But, Nicole, were there not black men who helped with the dirty work of killing and kidnapping Africans for slavery? Or is my history wrong? If that is true, then ones could say it is wrong to use the names Black and African, since these are the names of those who did the actual slave raiding.

Also, we might need to eliminate the names of Muslim and Portuguese and British, since these name people who felt they were somehow superior so they could kidnap and murder black people, for their money making.

The root includes the love of money and how in our conceit we can feel we are better than others. But Jesus, so superior, is not conceited, but left Heaven itself in order to reach us and share with us (c:
---Bill on 8/29/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: BUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN! Zero still means ZERO.
... 1860s...

Yes, antibellum Democrats were evil, just as Inquisition-era Catholics were evil. Both are ancient history. Let's talk about what has been going on in OUR LIFETIMES, and preferably in the last decade or so (and preferably the last year or so), because THAT is what is ACTUALLY affecting our lives NOW.

WHAT?

From the numbers I gave, 95% of southern Democratic congressmen were against CRA (i.e. racist) and 100% of southern Republicans were - i.e. southerners of BOTH PARTIES were 95%+ racist. Granted, there was only one Republican, but he was racist, which is 100%.
---StrongAxe on 8/28/17


I can't understand how any Christian could be a Democrat

--Jerry6593 on 8/28/17

An interesting statement in that almost 50% of SDA are Democrats. Only 35% are republican.. Maybe you should talk to your church elders..
---NurseRobert on 8/28/17


Jerry6593:

You wrote: You left out their anti-God platform.

Nowhere in the Democratic platform is any language that opposes God. Except for evangelicals and a few others (Anglican, United Methodist), all Christian denominations in the U.S. are majority democrat - which would be very strange indeed if they had an "anti-God platform".

If you read between the lines, you should do so for the Republicans too, whose platform contradicts many things Jesus explicitly taught, as I have repeatedly demonstrated. I don't see how any Christian could be a Republican, given their stance on social issues (feeding the poor, healing the sick, etc.) Their irresponsible deregulatory attitudes have given us disasters like Flint.
---StrongAxe on 8/28/17


I understand your math example. Sometimes the combination of both Party's passes the bill, but giving the Majority Party the credit.

If only 5 Democrats and all voted yea. It would be 100% as the minority.

BUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN! Zero still means ZERO.

0 of Democrats voted for the 14th/15th Amendments.

//Most southerners of BOTH parties were racists, but more R in BOTH regions were racists--StrongAxe

WHAT?

The Country was DIVIDED into 2 SOLID REGIONS!

If you were in the North you voted Republicans. There WASN'T any Republicans in Alabama running for ANY Offices in 1860's. As there wasn't any Democrats holding offices in the North.

Everyone one HOLDING Offices in the South were DEMOCRATS.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/28/17


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David: "This is the electoral platform for the Democratic Party."

Almost. You left out their anti-God platform. It comports well with their atheistic Communist doctrine. I can't understand how any Christian could be a Democrat, given their stance on social issues. Their obsession with social experimentation is ostensibly aimed at evolution into socialist Utopia. Unfortunately, they are unable to see the complete disaster that socialism has been in the past.


---Jerry6593 on 8/28/17


How to break the cycle? The Republican Way is to cut the funding, throw people out on the streets, and let Darwinian Law decide who survives.---StrongAxe on 8/25/17

StrongAxe
Personally I hate politics, but being a child of God, I must vote,...vote against those whose agenda is set against the morality of mankind, morality instilled by God.

I can not base my decision on economics, taxes, health programs or foreign affairs, when one party has seemingly set their sights on destroying the morality of man, for political gain.

Gay rights, abortion, gender identity, and the absolution of moral responsibility, for those who reside in government housing projects. This is the electoral platform for the Democratic Party.
---David on 8/27/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Math example: if Congress has 49 R for and 51 against, and 50 D for and 0 against, Congress has a R majority (67%), but D are the majority passing the bill.

Yes, by party:
R 80%, D 63% (R had more)

BUT By party and region:
Southern: R: 0%, Democrat: 5% (D had more)
Northern: R: 84%, Democrat: 98% (D had more)

In BOTH REGIONS, D were more for it than R were.
The reason the totals were the other way around was that the North was 59% D, while the South was 95% D. Most southerners of BOTH parties were racists, but more R in BOTH regions were racists. (I think pointed all this out to Jerry a few months ago).

1993 is after.

Sorry, I missed that one. Just one.
---StrongAxe on 8/26/17


//1964 Civil Rights Acts..A HIGHER proportion of Democrats in the north voted for it than Republicans, and the same in the south//

What kind of MATH are you using? A Republican Congress means that Republicans are the MAJORITY.

80% Republicans and only 63% of Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Acts.

//ALL the other dates you mentioned were BEFORE 1964,//

1993 is after. 1st and 2nd Black Secretary of States, 1st Black Secretary of Defense was appointed by a Republican after 2000.

//keep ignoring what they are doing NOW?!//

I am a Black/Hispanic living in Alabama NOW! Everything is SAFE, GREAT with a upper mobility for Blacks. Republicans runs Alabama! Every place Democrats controls are nightmares.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/26/17


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How is a person who is not taught to read and write responsible for what happens to them?--Samuel

Samuel
They are definitely at a disadvantage, and I'm not refuting that point. My point is that the parents are to blame for these disadvantages, not "Rich White" people, on whom the blame has been placed.

Italian and Irish immigrants started out in similar conditions, and they were white, so color is not a prerequisite for poverty. But they were able to climb out of the condition.

Why were they able to get out?
The government did not feed and clothe them, which would have kept them in that condition. (2 Thessalonians 3:10)
---David on 8/26/17


ax: "This meme has been floating around:"

Republicans and Democrats switched sides.

Other than your inane modern rhetoric, what historical proof due you have that Republicans now hate Blacks and Democrats now love them? The only people who switched sides were the Dems who saw the moral depravity of their party and became Republicans. Why don't you do the same? Oh, that's right, you can't because you're a foreigner.

The Dems have been USING Blacks for votes for 50 years by promising them better lives, but have in fact made their lives worse, despite having spent trillions on social programs. And now they offer violence and anarchy in the streets. To what end? More of the same?
---Jerry6593 on 8/26/17


Nicole, as always, you're not reading. You're just like Haz27...continuing to plug your political agenda, WHEN I am not. FACT, the group who got a petition to protest, CHANGED their plan. They came with clubs, mace and even used their own car to murder folks. Let's not forget that. They also came with "hate speech".

Republicans, Democrats and Independents alike denounced them.

FACT. President Kennedy. DEMOCRAT, had to send the National Guard to Alabama, because George Wallace, a SOUTHERN DEMOCRAT, ( DIXIECRAT) was a Racest.

Past ..Nazi were democrats White Supremesists Republicans....TODAY Nazi and White S have joined forces calling themselves the ALTERNATIVE RIGHT. Terrorists is what they are.
---kathr4453 on 8/26/17


Nicole_Lacey:

1964 Civil Rights Acts PASSED by Republican Congress.

Yes, but so what? A HIGHER proportion of Democrats in the north voted for it than Republicans, and the same in the south.

ALL the other dates you mentioned were BEFORE 1964, and were true THEN, but the axes have shifted. Why do you keep harping on what Republicans did before, and keep ignoring what they are doing NOW?!


This meme has been floating around:

Republicans: "Democrats were the slave owners. Republicans never owned slaves."
Democrats: "We're taking down the monuments."
Republicans: "Leave our heritage alone!"

Just WHOSE heritage are they trying to protect?
---StrongAxe on 8/25/17


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//a Black person who has in the past here voiced your opinion of how you were are treated in the south.//

Yes, GREAT. I am 45 yrs old

I complained about DEMOCRATS treatment me and calling me names as Oreo, Uncle Tom and the House 'N' SOLELY because I am Republican!

//IT WAS NOT A LEFT PROTEST.//

Exactly, they didn't have a permit to protest. So why did they come with weapons?

//Any group who forms to intimidate and use violence and symbolism is a TERRORIST GROUP.---kathr4453

Alr Left. We agree.

//The police ALWAYS have to use riot gears at the Left protest--me Like in Selma?--StrongAxe

It's 2017 Selma happened in 1965 by Democrat Mayor, Police Chief and Governor. Your Democrat Party.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/25/17


Kathr, don't get mad because I walked off the Political Plantation

1865 13th Amendment Passed with 100% Republican support and ONLY 27% of Democrats.

1868 14th Amendment 94% of Republicans to 0% as in NO Democrats wanting Blacks to be American Citizens.

1870 15th Amendment Blacks voting rights. 100% Republican support and 0% as in NO Democrat support.

1964 Civil Rights Acts PASSED by Republican Congress.

First 21 Black Congress men were ALL Republicans. It took Democrat's till 1935.

FIRST Black Senator Republican was in 1870! First Black Democrat Senator not until 1993! 121 years later.

Learn your history BEFORE try to tell me where MY LOYALTY should be!
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/25/17


David:

Yes, but innocents get harmed by collateral damage all the time. Were most of the animals on the earth during the Flood guilty? It doesn't mean they're being punished BECAUSE they are judged. Jesus explained that to his disciples when talked about the man born blind (even though they couldn't fathom the idea of someone being born blind without SOMEBODY'S sin being responsible), and when he talked about the people on who the Tower of Siloam fell.

That man created judgment by color doesn't mean it's right.

How to break the cycle? The Republican Way is to cut the funding, throw people out on the streets, and let Darwinian Law decide who survives.
---StrongAxe on 8/25/17


Do you think God will blame poor children on their parents' immorality or other circumstances?
---StrongAxe


StrongAxe
Heard of Sodom and Gomorrah?
God wiped those folks from the face of the earth, men, women.....and children. Were they destroyed because the color or their skin, or the evil in their hearts?

Man, not God, created the environment where folks are being judged by color. When the color of your skin is not a factor which determines good or evil.

Too many folks get caught up in worldly things, which cause their unGodly mistakes. Like supporting the unGodly cycle of behavior in our housing projects. Let's find a way to break the cycle, and not funding it with taxes to perpetuate the behavior.
---David on 8/25/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Most DECENT Americans do not show up to a protest with bats, sticks and urine balls.

And most of those protesters didn't either. There was only THREE arrests for violent behavior, plus one unrelated one because of an outstanding warrant.

I have never seen a Republican protest where the Police have to throw tear gas bottles and have riot gear to protect themselves from the Protesters.

Possibly because the police are biased for the right and against the left?

The police ALWAYS have to use riot gears at the Left protest.

Like in Selma?
---StrongAxe on 8/25/17


Sounds like Nicole drank,the KoolAid here.

OK Nicole, if we someday end up like Germany where those thugs murdered folks in broad daylight who's ethnic background was an offense to them , WHILE OTHERS DID LOOK,THE OTHER WAY, I suggest you rethink here, lest a cross one day be burned in your yard, and you and family dragged out in the night and murdered, ....THAT OTHERS LOOK THE OTHER WAY AND DONT GET INVOLVED.

NIcole, it wasn't about statutes .......it was about INTIMIDATION. One day again YOU just may know what it's like to be on the wrong end of that argument. Defending Trump or WS or Neo Nazis Skinheads won't buy you a ticket to their parade.
---kathr4453 on 8/25/17


The problem with your statement Nicole, is IT WAS NOT A LEFT PROTEST. It also wasn't a Right Protest..... It was an ALTERNATE RIGHT PROTEST. An entirely different animal. We have here at Stone Mountain Park a YEARLY WS, Neo N group function also this year petitioning to burn a cross.

This does NOT represent any political party....it represents a celebration and reinactment of violence and intimidation ( this is what burning a cross represents to them) towards Blacks, Jews and anyone who is not PURE WHITE.

They were denied their petition . Any group who forms to intimidate and use violence and symbolism is a TERRORIST GROUP PERIOD. Just like the Catholic Pogroms. Maybe the Catholic Church should change its name Nicole.
---kathr4453 on 8/25/17


//this topic was started as tearing down STATUES, not changing NAMES.--StrongAxE

READ the blog question. I asked about the name.

//The NAME "Democrat" refers to Democracy. Period.//

Okay Sooooo, they wanted Democracy for ONLY White people???

They started using that name while owning Slaves and FOUGHT to keep Slaves.

What type of Democracy is that?

//Why are you so OBSESSED with names and with the past?//

Because you all want to tear down statues belonging to Democrats TODAY because of the PAST DEEDS done by Democrats

//Why hasn't the Catholic church changed ITs name,--StrongAxe

Because we are not hypocrites. We are not asking Protestants to change anything today.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/25/17


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So Nicole the Alt Right Nazi's White Supremacists and KKK are okay even though they showed up with bats and sticks?

True there are rioters on the left. Some of them are anarchists. Some just thugs. They want to cause trouble.

In Houston Texas we have had a number of Liberal people march. Not one single incident. The vast majority of those on the left are peaceful.

Nazi's, White Supremacists and KKK are not peaceful. They often advocate for the death of Jews and non whites.

Those who practice and advocate Violence should not be supported period. No matter what side they profess to be on.

I don't attend rallies. I am still working.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/25/17


//Many REPUBLICANS were outraged by those trying to legitimize this altercation by accusing a nonexistent Alt Left as equally guilty.//

No, logical people do not believe one should destroy property. Beat up other people just to express their beliefs.

//They're called DECENT AMERICANS UPHOLDING THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION.--kathr

Most DECENT Americans do not show up to a protest with bats, sticks and urine balls.

Most Americans do not throw sticks, rocks and urine bottles at Police Officers.

I have never seen a Republican protest where the Police have to throw tear gas bottles and have riot gear to protect themselves from the Protesters.

The police ALWAYS have to use riot gears at the Left protest.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/24/17


The alt-right, or alternative right, is a loosely defined group of people with far-right ideologies who reject mainstream conservatism in favor of white nationalism. The term has since gained wide currency with the rise of the so-called "alt-right". White supremacist. Richard Spencer coined the term in 2010 in reference to a movement centered on white nationalism, and did so according to the Associated Press to disguise overt racism, white supremacism, and neo-Nazism. The term drew considerable media attention and controversy during and after the 2016 US presidential election.

Nicole, are YOU "Alt Right?" Sorry Nicole, THIS is offensive to REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS and INDEPENDENT AMERICANS.
---kathr4453 on 8/24/17


And Nicole, what is really bazaar coming from you is even using the term "alt left" in defining the opposite of Alt Right. As you are a Black person who has in the past here voiced your opinion of how you were/ are treated in the south.......YOU then must then be ALT LEFT???? HECK NO. But to say your not an Alt Left makes YOU then Alt Right that would be To say YOU are a White Nationalists White Supremacist, Neo Nazi ......is rediculous. YES you are a republican and conservative...BUT NOT ALT RIGHT. And being a Republican Conservative who is NOT Alt Right does not automatically make you an Alt Left. Please know the difference.
---kathr4453 on 8/24/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

Yes, and this topic was started as tearing down STATUES, not changing NAMES. The NAME "Democrat" refers to Democracy. Period. Why are you so OBSESSED with names and with the past? Why hasn't the Catholic church changed ITs name, because IT's associated with past atrocities like the Crusades and the Inquisition? Yet that doesn't seem to bother YOU.

The Inquisition and the Crusades are a lie?? How so?

And you're tearing down the Democrat's name, somehow equating it with statues.

Extremes are bad, regardless of which end of the spectrum they find themselves.
---StrongAxe on 8/24/17


Nicole_Lacey:

I saw this meme today:

Republicans: "Democrats were the slave owners. Republicans never owned slaves."
Democrats: "We're taking down the monuments."
Republicans: "LEAVE OUR HERITAGE ALONE!"

Just WHOSE heritage are they trying to preserve?
---StrongAxe on 8/24/17


//The debate is not with what parties did in the past, but what they are doing now.//

I think you forgot who started this topic. ME.

It is about the past and today. The Alt Left is upset about statues still up TODAY that represents an era of the past.

Since the Democrats kept their name, Why?

//..living in the Catholic's past of the Inquisition and the Crusades?--StrongAxe

Because It's a lie and I'm not going around trying to tear down Protestant statues TODAY.

//There's no such animal as the "Alt Left"--Kathr<

It is for your benefit so that we can distinguish the Extreme Left from the ordinary Left

But if you wish I will drop the 'Atr' and leave it at 'Left'. You'll game anyway.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/24/17


Yes David there are Government Policies that are proposed to make rich people richer.

About your Moral point. It is true people with low morals don't often succeed.

But people who get a bad education because the schools they go to have no money to give them a good education. In my school the majority of student went into trade jobs. Until the School district decided everyone needed to go to college. So many could not get the training to get a job. How was that their fault. How is a person who is not taught to read and write responsible for what happens to them?

Institutional racism works to deny people the ability to advance themselves. How is that their fault?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/24/17


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David:

In ideal trickle-down economics, money goes to the rich, the use it to empower those below them. Unfortunately, very frequently the rich just hold on to it and make themselves richer.

Asking what caused your friend's poverty is like asking whose fault it was that the man was born blind. It's the wrong question, and regardless of the answer, it doesn't provide any solutions.

A friend lost his home. He and his wife were forced to live apart. Instead of the bureaucracy helping them, it called him a deadbeat dad. He had to go into hiding - impossible to find work, register son for school, or access social services.

Do you think God will blame poor children on their parents' immorality or other circumstances?
---StrongAxe on 8/24/17


StrongAxe
I have a friend who was born in the Atlanta Projects. He is only one of 9 children, but he and his siblings had 8 different fathers. His mother was never married. They were very poor, and in a crime filled neighborhood.

What caused his poverty, and crime? Was it the immorality of his mother and father, or was it tax breaks given to those "Rich White Men", who provided my friend with a job, which got him out of poverty?

If it's the immorality, why don't we put the blame where it belongs, instead of displacing the blame to rich "White Men", which only perpetuates this sad situation?
Who will God blame for their immorality on judgement day, them, or the rich "White Man"?
---David on 8/24/17


Nicole_Lacey:

The debate is not with what parties did in the past, but what they are doing now. If you want to live in the past, how about living in the Catholic's past of the Inquisition and the Crusades? I'm sure that if anyone criticized the Catholic church based on those, you would be quick to repudiate them and say "Well, we don't do those things NOW".

No. Both terms "Alt right" and "Alt left" were created by Republicans.

BTW, all the rich White Men today are Democrats and they live in Silicon Valley.

Then why are Republicans so INSISTENT on rewriting the health care laws to provide massive tax cuts to "their opponents" the rich?
---StrongAxe on 8/23/17


There's no such animal as the "Alt Left". The term is MADE UP. It's impossible to have an intelligent conversation with folks who listen to this nonsense and use the term Alt Left as if it was a movement that really existed. Many REPUBLICANS were outraged by those trying to legitimize this altercation by accusing a nonexistent Alt Left as equally guilty. That argument is horse manure.

AMERICA does not stand for any one claiming supremacy over another. Neo-nazis, WS's are the ALT RIGHT, and decent Democrats, Independents and Republicans are those who have spoken up to denounce such filth and garbage. Those who denounce are NOT called Alt Left. They're called DECENT AMERICANS UPHOLDING THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION.
---kathr4453 on 8/23/17


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David:

You asked Samuelbb7: What policies do they have in place that make white men rich, those policies that only make white men rich?

Trickle-down economics: pouring money into the top 1%, naively hoping it will trickle down to everyone else. Cutting health insurance for 22 million (mostly poor), and using the money saved to fund a tax cut for the very rich.

Even though these do not explicitly segregate by color, it's obvious that the percentage of whites is higher among the richer segments of the population, while there are disproportionatly more blacks and latinos among the poorer classes. Any policy that discriminates on the basis of income will thus also indirectly discriminate on the basis of race as well.
---StrongAxe on 8/23/17


StrongAxe, Mark Steyn had a great point on Rush Limbaugh's radio show on how that this debate is about today's Democrats against yesterday's Democrats.

Your fight not Republicans.

Today's Alt Left fighting today's KKK.

Both were created by the Democratic Party

The more you argue the more is revealed about the Democrat Party.

I just learned that Jimmy Carter reinstated Jefferson Davis citizenship.

Why?

The man is dead.

I will tell you why because Democrats still believe in everything that went on during the Civil War that's why they refuse to change your their name.

BTW, all the rich White Men today are Democrats and they live in Silicon Valley.

All self Proclaim Democrats.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/23/17


The Republicans started starting supporting only rich white men. ---Samuelbb7

Samuel
What policies do they have in place that make white men rich, those policies that only make white men rich?

Funny how little children do not segregate folks, by color, but adults do. In (Matthew 18:3) Jesus teaches us a lesson, Christians need to learn. Be a Christian, not a color!!!!
---David on 8/23/17


it appears the families of some of these monuments want them taken down, and state ...at least R.E. Lee, that he was against any such memorials in the first place. How many Statutes of Custer or anyone who murdered Native Americans are memorialized today?

These memorials were erected years AFTER the Civil War, during the Jim Crow era. It would be like Germany TODAY deciding to erect Memorials to Hitler. SICK. No one needs a Monument to Hiltler in order for anyone to remember him or what he stood for...... Or Stalin, or Mussolini ....or Saddam...etc.
---kathr4453 on 8/22/17


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Democrats used to have a section called Dixicrats. Which were for keeping non white people down.

I remember this. I was here in the South born and raised.

But over time they changed.

Unfortunately so did the Republicans As the Democrats started switching to be pro the poor and common men. The Republicans started starting supporting only rich white men.

I used to be Republican. But I cannot be one today.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/22/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Canada, UK, etc. use parliamentary systems. Voting for representatives who vote for a leader works like Electoral College, House, and Senate choose leaders, and a voting majority can still lose.

POTUS should be chosen by popular vote, as senators are now.

Why should the choices of the states be more important than the choices of the people who make them up?

Electors are allocated proportionally to population, so CA and NY already DO get more electors.

"Slavery" is not part of the "Democratic Party" name. The Republicans keep harping on the glory of their past and ignoring their reprehensible behavior of the present.
---StrongAxe on 8/22/17


Democrats keep barking on Hillary's majority vote as if that's HOW one wins the Presidency.

Majority win is in Canada, England and other Countries but NOT HERE!

StrongAxe, by your logic you think our POTUS should be elected only by 5 states.

In our Republic, each State has a say in who should be President as how much as another State.

This Country is called United States of America not Cal-York of America.

//As for name changing, that is done when someone is ashamed of their name.//

BINGO! Democrats are NOT Ashamed of fighting to KEEP slavery

//The Republicans are not ashamed of their name---StrongAxe

AMEN, because we FREED the Slavery and we don't want anyone to FORGET IT!
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/22/17


Nicole_Lacey:

I came here because the company I worked at was stagnating, while I had a much better opportunity with a rapidly growing company here. See The New Colossus.

The United States is a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC. It is a Republic because the people are ruled by a small group who are determined to be the best to do so (per Plato). It is a Democratic republic because those rulers are directly chosen by the people.

By your logic, we should not be ruled by the majority, but by the minority? In that case, why isn't Stein president?

As for name changing, that is done when someone is ashamed of their name. The Republicans are not ashamed of their name, and neither are the Democrats - which is why neither change their name.
---StrongAxe on 8/21/17


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"Divide and Conquer"
Don't get sucked in folks.
---David on 8/22/17


StrongAxe, why did you come to this Country? Really, why?

The USA is a Republic! I have told you many times before as many other people on CN.

If you wanted to be in a Democracy Country go find one.

Our WISE Founders were not stupid Men.

As for your majority mob rule here are some famous quotes you need to mediate on:

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect)."--Mark Twain

"Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it."--Leo Tolstoy, A Confession by Leo Tolstoy, Religious Theology.

If the Hitler family CHANGED their name here in America, it shows they have more sense than Democrats.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/21/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Do you approve of this kind of behavior? Because you're doing it yourself. The term "alt-right" was invented by Richard Spenser, who is on the right, and used by people on the right to describe themselves. The term "alt-left" was ALSO invented by the right, NOT the left itself.

Yes. The right projecting their own extremism onto the left.

It is a new term. The right adopted that term for themselves in the past year or so.

Why should the Democrats change? They are pro Democracy - i.e. the will of the people. More people voted for Hillary than Trump. Will the Republicans change THEIR names? If not, why not, since you seem to like the idea of name changing.
---StrongAxe on 8/21/17


This weekend in New Orleans, a statue of St. Joan of Arc was tagged with the message, "Tear it down."

Did the vandal think she was a Civil War heroine?

I think it was the Protestant Church historian Philip Schaff who said, "Iconoclasm might become a frenzy, but it can never become a faith."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/21/17


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//What is "Alt-left", and why do you use that term?//

Democrat party. Because anytime the Democrats label anyone it means they are guilty of that same label.

They call others racist because they are racists.

Closed minded because they are exactly closed minded to other's view point. I could go on, but I am limited to 125 words.

It's called PSYCHOLOGICAL PROJECTION

//Extreme right-wing conservatives called THEMSELVES "Alt-right",--StrongAxe

Nope, I never heard that term until last year. My friend I have being VERY political for 17 years.

Can you please explain WHY you all refuse to CHANGE your party's name?

Seriously, I truly wish to know. Not one Democrat will tell me.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/21/17


Nicole_Lacey:

What is "Alt-left", and why do you use that term? Extreme right-wing conservatives called THEMSELVES "Alt-right", so it is resonable to call them by the name they themselves chose. However, no liberals call themselves "Alt-left".


Cluny:

Originally, the Republicans, the Party of Lincoln, was the party of liberal progressives, while Democrats were the party of conservative racists. Since the 1960s, these two roles have switched places. For example, these days, the KKK sides with the Republicans, rather than the Democrats they did before that.
---StrongAxe on 8/21/17


Great post Nicole! Like you and Cluny, I grew up in the deep South and watched the evil divisiveness that resulted in rioting, looting and murder. It was ugly then, and it is ugly now. All of this hatred, distrust and incivility is a direct result of the disastrous reign of Obama, and his lawless army of paid thugs.


---Jerry6593 on 8/21/17


I don't believe that the statues should be pulled down. I believe that a statue of Nat Turner and one of a lynched black man should be hung next to each of them. I believe the confederate flag should be flown but only if has pictures on the front and back of a lynched black man. That would tell the true story of America's history.
---Joyce on 8/21/17


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//You mean conservative democrats?---NurseRobert-

That's how you all lost last November. You kicked out the Moderate Democrats as well.

How's that working for ya?

Let me help you. The majority of White Straight Men in American are not Racist. Not even 1%

Mayors across America allowed your Alt Left violence in THIER OWN protests.

KKK didn't interfered with you all.

But no one else has that right to protest?
EVEN in peaceful manner.

Alt Left enters a KKK protest, start violence and had the NERVE to BLAME the KKK for the violence!? FOOLS!

The KKK have been marching for decades and guess what? THEY WERE DYING OUT! Not anymore.

THANKS DEMOCRATS! I guess you couldn't see your BASE DIE?
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/20/17


Quite right, Nicole.

I grew up in Birmingham, AL. Back in the '60, the voting machines used a ROOSTER, not a donkey, as the Democratic logo. Until the mid 60's, in the rooster's beak was a cordon saying, "White Supremacy for the right."

It was not until much later this was changed to read "Democrats for the right."

And students are very surprised to learn now that the Republican party was founded to ABOLISH slavery.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 8/20/17


You mean conservative democrats?
---NurseRobert on 8/20/17


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