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Saturday Is Day To Worship

I am in an narcisstic abusive relationship by a man who has gotten into the "Saturday is the only day to worship-any other day is wrong" way of thinking....thoughts, anyone?

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//Sunday is also a pagan name - called "the Venerable Day of the Sun" by Constantine.--Jerry

Not denying that. But you are mistaken. Constantine in 321AD made 7 day week FORMAL with it's names. He didn't name the days.

Christians celebrated the Sabbath on Sundays not because of it's name, but because Jesus rose on that day. A difference.

Justin the Martyr wrote in 155 AD "..but Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly because it's the first day on the which God...--Apology 67

The Didscalia in 255 AD states "The Apostles further pointed on the first day of the week let there be service...--Didascalia 2

Matthew 16:13-19 The "Whatsoever" covers Sabbath Worship.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/23/17


Wait... Nicole Lacey, you're actually trying to argue that the Sabbath is not the Seventh Day? Just making sure I'm reading your right.
---ObamasBoy on 9/23/17


//The Arabic word for Saturday is "assabt" (literally, "al sabt" - "the sabbath"). ---StrongAxe

Exactly. just my point. The Arabic doesn't use the word Saturday.

BTW, did you know the Arabic word used for Black People is 'Abeed' which means 'SLAVE'?

Should I take it that I am a slave just because Arabic people choose to use that word instead of using the literal word 'Black' in Arabic: 'Iswid' or 'Aswad' or 'Sudaa'?

They chose the CORRECT word to say for their Sabbath day which ISN'T ON SATURDAY!

Fridays is their Sabbath day just as I said.

Jerry I will answer you next, because you made my point as well.

Sorry, but the Scriptures doesn't call the Sabbath day Saturday.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/23/17


Jerry6593:

Once again, we ask, since God created all things (including Sunday, and Monday, and every other day of the week), doesn't that make them all holy as well?

Also, what, exactly, is "religious observance", and where in the bible is it defined? If you look at the descrioptions in Leviticus, they merely state that certain activities are forbidden on the Sabbath (labor, commerce, travel, lighting fires, etc.), but they don't command certain other activities, such as worship. Yes, there are some things that are sometimes done on the Sabbath (e.g. convocations) but that doesn't in any way command that such things must necessarily be done on every sabbath, and must necessarily NOT be done on any other day.
---StrongAxe on 9/23/17


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: True. But the Jewish people don't use the word 'Saturday'.

What words people use are irrelevant, because different groups use different words for the same thing, and that doesn't alter the thing. As Shakespeare said, "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet". What's at issue here is whether we should be worshipping on the Sabbath (7th day) or Sunday (1st day).

No, Muslims don't have their SABBATH on Fridays. They have their day of REST on Fridays. The Arabic word for Saturday is "assabt" (literally, "al sabt" - "the sabbath").

FWIW = For What It's Worth. (A simple google search shows this at the top).
---StrongAxe on 9/23/17




Nicole: Ax is right about Saturday being the Sabbath. You may verify it by consulting any dictionary or encyclopedia. BTW, Sunday is also a pagan name - called "the Venerable Day of the Sun" by Constantine. But that doesn't mean that you worship the sun any more than I worship Saturn.

"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we [Catholics] never sanctify." - James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of our Fathers, p.111.


---Jerry6593 on 9/23/17


Jerry
In your church, do you keep the entire Sabbath Law as established by God, or just parts of it? If only part, which parts?

I agree with many of the SDA teachings, but as to your keeping of the Sabbath Law, it's a bit confusing.
---David on 9/23/17


//even though the Bible clearly calls the Sabbath the 7th day,//

True. But the Jewish people don't use the word 'Saturday'.

'Saturday' is a pagan name?
Saturni dies (Saturn's day) no later than the 2nd century for the planet Saturn..-Wikipedia

Muslims have their Sabbath on Fridays.

Obamasboy wasn't telling the truth about Catholic Church and the Orthodox. Which it isn't very nice.

He make a blanket statement with no citation. Not even the Bible.

BTW, what does FWIW mean?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/22/17


//Also, everyone knows Saturday is the seventh day of the week.//

The Commandment states to keep the Sabbath day holy not to keep the seventh day holy.

Changing the question in order to answer the question isn't answering the real question asked.

If you don't have Scripture stating that SATURDAY is the Sabbath day is Saturday just say so.

//Don't be asinine. It's not becoming.---ObamasBoy

Asking for Scripture to back up your statement isn't stupid.

It's stupid to believe that after attacking another person's Church you will not be challenged.

If you don't want stones thrown at back at you then please don't throw stones yourself.

---Nicole_Lacey on 9/22/17


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Please cite Scripture stating the 7th day as being Saturday?

All western calendars show Saturday as 7th day, and Sunday as 1st, even though the Bible clearly calls the Sabbath the 7th day, but Sunday is the most common day of worship. They faithfully preserve both traditions.

You do know that the word 'Saturday' is a pagan name?

A purely English conceit. It's from "Sabbath" in Arabic, Armenian, Bosnian, Bulgarian, Corsican, Croatian, Czech, Georgian, Greek, Indonesian, Italian, Latin, Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russia, Serbian, Slovak, Slovene, Somali, Spanish, Sudanese, Ukrainian, ...
Which day(s) we should worship on is not a language-dependent issue.
---StrongAxe on 9/22/17




Obamasboy, who said anything about over God. Jesus gave Peter authority with HIS BLESSING.

Do you think when Joseph fed the world his authority was over Pharaoh? Didn't Pharaoh give him that authority?

Genesis 41:55 When hunger came to be felt throughout the land of Egypt and the people cried to Pharaoh for bread, Pharaoh DIRECTED all the Egyptians to go to Joseph and do WHATEVER he told them.

Joseph told his brothers WANT to do in order to receive Pharaoh's grain

He locked them up for 3 days. Kidnapped his brother Simeon inexchanged for Benjamin. Gen 42:30 they describe Joseph as the lord of the country not Pharaoh. "The man who is lord of the country,"
V33 Then the man who is lord of the country said..
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/22/17


Nicole Lacey, Jesus didn't give Peter authority over God the Father. Don't be mad, just obey God rather than men.

FWIW, Peter never changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

Also, everyone knows Saturday is the seventh day of the week. Don't be asinine. It's not becoming.
---ObamasBoy on 9/22/17


//He established the 7th day (Saturday) as the Holy Sabbath.//

Please cite Scripture stating the 7th day as being Saturday?

You do know that the word 'Saturday' is a pagan name?

****The Romans name the Saturday Saturni dies (Saturn's day) no later than the 2nd century for the planet Saturn..-Wikipedia

//They had to go and change a day that was established by God..But such is the story of the Orthodox/Roman Catholic Church. Always contradicting God.---ObamasBoy

Sorry, you are mistaken. Matthew 16:13-19 gave Peter the authority to do "whatsoever" and the 'whatsoever' is bound on earth and in heaven. Or the 'whatsoever' is loosen on earth and in heaven.

Don't be mad with Jesus. Just obey.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/22/17


John: "Saturday or Sunday who cares as long as one day per week there is a day of rest."

Apparently God cares, since He set the Sabbath apart as the ONLY holy day and commanded that we REMEMBER it.


Cluny: You've got the wrong guy. I never said ax was AN atheist. I think his theology is somewhat off, but I'd never call him an atheist.


ax: Your mental gymnastics not withstanding, you said what you said and then claimed that you didn't say it. How puerile.


---Jerry6593 on 9/22/17


Apparently, fallen men thought God didn't know what He was doing when He established the 7th day (Saturday) as the Holy Sabbath. They had to go and change a day that was established by God. They thought they were smarter than God Himself. But such is the story of the Orthodox/Roman Catholic Church. Always contradicting God.
---ObamasBoy on 9/21/17


\\ "Strongaxe is a atheist and therefore evil" strawman narrative.\\

Jerry, I know StrongAxe personally. Whatever he may be, he's not an atheist.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/21/17


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Cluny, not only can they not answer you questions, they will also have a hard time explaining WHY a man decided to go to Church on Saturdays instead of Sundays.

That man believes he is smarter than all the Saints and Church Leaders in Church History.

For 19 centuries Christians have been going to go Church on Sundays
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/21/17


Jerry6593:

Again, Read ALL that I wrote. I said that Jesus both IS and IS NOT God. I didn't bother providing any scriptures for the fact that he IS, because that is well understood. I provides THREE that show he is not. For you to conclude that "I don't believe he's God says a lot" totally ignores that I ALSO believe that he IS, because that goes against your oh so convenient "Strongaxe is a atheist and therefore evil" strawman narrative.

Explain how the lawgiver God of the Old Testament (referred therein as Father) "who changeth not" can very specifically condemn adulterers to death by stoning, yet Jesus forgave the adulteress? Why would Jesus break his very own law?
---StrongAxe on 9/21/17


If the Pope is the one who changed Saturday to Sunday, please answer these two questions:

1. WHICH Pope did so, and WHEN?

2. Why do ancient churches in the East founded by the Apostles--churches that had NOTHING to do with the Pope--have Sunday as the main worship day?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/21/17


Saturday or Sunday who cares as long as one day per week there is a day of rest.
---John on 9/21/17


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ax: "I didn't say that."

You could at least be honest.

You said "Inasmuch as Jesus is NOT God".

YES, Jesus IS fully God as well as fully man. Furthermore, the God of the Old Testament IS indeed Jesus. c.f.:

Heb 1:2 ... his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds,

1Co 10:4 ... for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

---Jerry6593 on 9/21/17


Jesus is unique in the universe. He is God and man.

Don't ask me how. I don't know. I will ask him when we get to heaven. I hope to be a lot smarter there. Also with a lot of time to think.

Lets us love GOD and love others.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/20/17


Jerry6593:

You wrote: What? You don't believe in the divinity of Christ? That explains a lot!

I didn't say that. Please quit twisting my words and then attacking straw men of your own creation. It would help if you read the entirety of what I wrote, rather than just snip a few words to take out of context to attack them.

I wrote that, in some ways, Jesus IS God. In other ways, he is NOT God. I cited several examples. Another is his own quote "Why do you call me good? Only the Father in heaven is good." proving that Jesus did not consider himself equal to the Father.

You are also contradicting yourself. If Jesus is God, and God is Lord of all, how can there be any day over which Jesus is not Lord?
---StrongAxe on 9/20/17


Cluny: "Of which day is He NOT the Lord, Jerry?"

The Bible does not record such a thing. However, Jesus does specifically say that He is Lord of the Sabbath, and He wrote that the Sabbath was made holy - i.e., "sanctified" or "set apart" in character from the other week days.

Ax seems to think that Jesus was not the God of the Old Testament who wrote the Ten Commandments. What is your opinion?


---Jerry6593 on 9/20/17


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\\Jesus Declared Himself to be Lord of the Sabbath Day. He never made such a statement about Sunday. \\

Of which day is He NOT the Lord, Jerry?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/19/17


ax: "Inasmuch as Jesus is NOT God"

What? You don't believe in the divinity of Christ? That explains a lot!

Jesus Declared Himself to be Lord of the Sabbath Day. He never made such a statement about Sunday.


---Jerry6593 on 9/19/17


Jerry6593:

Jesus was God in some ways, not others. HS did not send Son down to "my Father, ni whom I am well pleased". Father did not pray at Gethsemane, "Spirit, take this cup away from me".

Inasmuch as Jesus is God, why not just say "God said", which is more accurate? Inasmuch as Jesus is NOT God, it is WRONG to say "Jesus said".

It is more accurate to say "God/Word/Logos said" when referring to timeless divinity, and "Jesus said" when referring to his incarnation.

Red letter bibles have no red letters in the Old Testament. If Jesus said both, why did he contradict himself by not stoning the adulteress, as he changes not?
---StrongAxe on 9/18/17


//(FYI Ellen White agrees with the entire Bible - including Paul.)//

No, she does not.

In her writing on the Flood, she said that all species God did not create were destroyed in the flood.

John 1 says that ALL THINGS were made by the Logos, and nothing was made otherwise.

Who is right: EGW or the Bible?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/18/17


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ax: "When did Jesus ever say "Thou shalt worship on the Sabbath"?"

Jesus wrote with His own finger in stone:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

He NEVER sanctified Sunday in such a manner.

---Jerry6593 on 9/18/17


What is the meaning of "worship" that was used in the days before Christ ascended?

Did everyone in the bible worship only on a certain day?

As for the Sabbath: God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation. God ordained the seventh day way before the Jews came into existence.

Are we not to worship God everyday and give thanks for everything we do according to the Lord's Prayer?

Didn't the children of Israel observe the Sabbath throughout all generations?

How does one keep the Sabbath holy?

If one would overlay the Gregorian calendar unto the Jewish calendar, one will find that the day is Saturday.
---Steveng on 9/17/17


Jerry6593:

You wrote: I'm sure that you WANT the scripture (Rom 14) to say that, but it is not talking about alternative worship days of the week, as I explained below. Besides, don't you find it strange that Paul would contradict Jesus?

Has it ever occurred to you that Paul was NOT "contradicting Jesus"? When did Jesus ever say "Thou shalt worship on the Sabbath"?

I don't "want" a scripture that says that. I go by what Paul ACTUALLY wrote. You, however, keep re-interpreting what he says so that it doesn't mean what he said, but what YOU want it to say - i.e. the exact opposite. Paul's words are scripture. Your alternative explanations are not.
---StrongAxe on 9/17/17


ax: "Paul wrote that some people consider ALL days to be equally holy, and for each to be persuaded in his own mind - i.e. Paul, an apostle of Christ, says it's fine to worship on any day we choose."

I'm sure that you WANT the scripture (Rom 14) to say that, but it is not talking about alternative worship days of the week, as I explained below. Besides, don't you find it strange that Paul would contradict Jesus?

(FYI Ellen White agrees with the entire Bible - including Paul.)


---Jerry6593 on 9/17/17


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Jerry6593:

I'm glad you survived Irma. I know a lot of people who have had great difficulties from that.

Yo wrote: please give book, chapter, and verse where "He made ALL time sacred".

Yes, God made the Sabbath holy. However, Paul wrote that some people consider ALL days to be equally holy, and for each to be persuaded in his own mind - i.e. Paul, an apostle of Christ, says it's fine to worship on any day we choose. You seem to disagree, but I think Paul's opinions on the matter have more weight, as far as orthodox (little o) Christian theology goes, than Ellen White's do.
---StrongAxe on 9/16/17


freedom found in Christ alone????--Riolion on 9/14/17

Actually, leaving religion for a freedom in Christ not founded in Christ is not freedom.

Christ established His own Church which has rules and rituals.

Matthew 11:30
"Rest in me for My yoke is easy and My burden is light."

Which suggest their will still be a yoke to carry and it's work will be a burden.

Just that you will be able to handle the yoke's burden with Jesus on your side.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/16/17


We were hit by Irma. I just got power and internet back last night.


RichardC: "I believe Sunday worship comes from these verses"

How so? The verses describe a funeral embalming after "resting the Sabbath day according to the Commandment."

"I think it has to do with the Old sabbath ending?"

Not so! Jesus proclaimed Sabbath valid 40 years in the future.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:


Riolin: "What the Bible does say is from Romans 14:5-6"

Yeh, it says that eating meat dedicated to idols on yearly feast days is no big deal - personal opinion OK. No mention of Sunday or of worship.
---Jerry6593 on 9/16/17


I believe Sunday worship comes from these verses ,


Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was - past- , Mary Magdalene , and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and to anoint him,
Mark 16:2 - And very early in the
morning the first day of the week , they came came unto the sepulcher at the rising of the sun.

( I think it has to do with the Old sabbath ending ? )
---RichardC on 9/15/17


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jerry//The entire Bible says NOTHING about SUNDAY worship or its sacredness.

What the Bible does say is from Romans 14:5-6

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord, and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks, and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

poor soul will you every leave religion for the freedom found in Christ alone????
---Riolion on 9/14/17


\\Why do you not esteem the Ten Commandments as your orthodox Denomination does?\\

You don't actually think the Orthodox Church has Saturday as the main 'liturgical day, do you?

Why do you pick and choose which of God's 613 OT precepts to obey? James says that he who breaks one of them is guilty of breaking them all.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/11/17


Cluny, please give book, chapter, and verse where "He made ALL time sacred". My Bible only records that He made the seventh day Sabbath holy. Why do you continue to base your beliefs on what the Bible does not say while ignoring what it does say?

Why do you not esteem the Ten Commandments as your orthodox Denomination does?


---Jerry6593 on 9/10/17


Jerry, please tell me on which day we are FORBIDDEN to worship. Give book, chapter, and verse in your answer.

When the Only-Begotten Son and Word took flesh and came into the world of space and time, He made ALL time sacred.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/9/17


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Cluny: "The Sabbath commandment says NOTHING about worship."

The entire Bible says NOTHING about SUNDAY worship or its sacredness. The Bible says that ONLY SABBATH is HOLY. You continue to base your religion on that which is missing in the Bible. Why are you at odds with your Orthodox Denomination's veneration of the Ten Commandments?

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one SABBATH to another, shall all flesh come to WORSHIP before me, saith the LORD.
---Jerry6593 on 9/9/17


\\
cuny - the centerpiece of the Jewish worship at both the tabernacle and at the Jerusalem temple was the animal sacrifices and the officiating of the priests. I doubt if they had an official reading of the laws of Moses.
---Riolion on 9/7/1\\

This is the point I've been trying to make. The Sabbath commandment says NOTHING about worship.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/8/17


cuny - the centerpiece of the Jewish worship at both the tabernacle and at the Jerusalem temple was the animal sacrifices and the officiating of the priests. I doubt if they had an official reading of the laws of Moses.
---Riolion on 9/7/17


If one took out the word circumcision and substituted Sabbath, you would have much the same message in Galatians. Those that pitch the OT law are those that are the slave children of Hagar, not the children of the promise through Isaac. Galatians 5.
I understand that the SDA have removed this book from their Bibles as there is far too much that contradicts what they want to believe.
---Riolion on 9/7/17


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If the people of the OT held services on Saturday only (which the Bible itself contradicts) from at least the time of the Exodus and Sinai, what were done in these services?

They could not have had Scripture readings, as the Tenakh had not been written yet.

Any guesses?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/7/17


Good points Jerry.

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/5/17


Cluny:

//God blessing the Sabbath is actually in Genesis 1, not the Decalogue.//

Actually, it is in both:

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


//You don't actually think that earthly time is experienced in heaven, do you?//

I believe the Bible, and that it was written for our understanding (see Rev 2:5,6,7).



---Jerry6593 on 9/4/17


\\Cluny: "Great Moses mystically prefigured this present day when he said, And God blessed the seventh day."

Two points: First, it wasn't Moses who spoke from Mt. Sinai or wrote those sacred words in stone with his own finger - it was God Himself, and specifically, it was Jesus.\\

God blessing the Sabbath is actually in Genesis 1, not the Decalogue.

\\The only future event symbolized by the weekly Sabbath is the millennial rest in Heaven after 6000 years on earth. But you don't believe that, do you?\\

You don't actually think that earthly time is experienced in heaven, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/2/17


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Cluny: "Great Moses mystically prefigured this present day when he said, And God blessed the seventh day."

Two points: First, it wasn't Moses who spoke from Mt. Sinai or wrote those sacred words in stone with his own finger - it was God Himself, and specifically, it was Jesus.

Secondly, the weekly Sabbath Commandment begins with the word REMEMBER, and thus is not a "prefigure" of anything. We don't "remember" the future!

The only future event symbolized by the weekly Sabbath is the millennial rest in Heaven after 6000 years on earth. But you don't believe that, do you?


---Jerry6593 on 9/2/17


\\... Good Friday Matins...\\

That should read "Holy SATURDAY Matins".

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/1/17


The Orthodox Church sings this hymn on Good Friday Matins and Holy Saturday Vespers:

Great Moses mystically prefigured this present day when he said, And God blessed the seventh day. For this is the blessed Sabbath, this is the day of rest on which the only-begotten Son of God rested from all his works, through the dispensation in accordance with death, he kept the Sabbath in the flesh, and returning once again to what he was through the Resurrection he has granted us eternal life, for he alone is good and loves mankind.

Any questions about the REAL significance of the Saturday Sabbath?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/30/17


Apart from holidays the favorite day for church people Sundays. After all, God did rest on the first day of the week, or was it the seventh? (Rom 14:5-6)
One thing for sure, we owe God every day of our lives not just two days a year or one day a week. (2 Cor 5:15)
By Gods grace we learn that we are not under any commandment to observe holy days or sabbath days to honor God (Col 2:16-17). We have peace with God through the death of Jesus Christ.
The Sabbaths given to Israel were a shadow of their coming Messiah and kingdom rest. Since we do not wait for a kingdom but are now members of the body of Christ we are told to redeem the time (Eph 5:16).
---michael_e on 8/30/17


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\\You falsely claim that Sabbath is not about worship, but only rest.\\

According to the Decalogue--which is the only part of OT law that you insist is still binding--the Sabbath commandment is STRICTLY about rest and not worship.

The Gospel this last Sunday was about the Rich Young Ruler in Matthew. When Jesus listed the commandments to keep and live, guess which one is conspicuous by its absence.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/30/17


Jerry, please expand on your comment of the yearly Sabbaths vs weekly Sabbaths.

I believe I know what you are saying, but I am not sure.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/30/17


karen4334:

If your husband is such a Biblical literalist, you should show him Romans 14:5:
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.


Jerry6593:

In Isaiah 66:23, it says FROM one new moon to another and FROM one Sabbath to another - i.e. from month to month, and week to week, i.e. perpetually - NOT ON one new moon and another and ON one Sabbath and another - i.e. each new moon and each Sabbath.
---StrongAxe on 8/30/17


My heart goes out to you. If it is bipolar I know almost how you feel.

My sister has bipolar and lived with me for the last 13 years. I evicted her twice but not until after she bankrupt me (really, I am to blame for allowing her to bankrupt me).

It was a true nightmare living with her. The ups and downs monthly cycles were horrendous.

I learned my lesson the hard way and realized I should have trusted in Jesus. Relying on Him alone.

The biggest problem is getting them to take their medication on a regular basis. They stop taking their medication after getting better and of course they don't realize or wish to realize that the medication is the reason they are feeling better.

My prayers are with you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/29/17


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I read, as I understand it, that a narcissist piggy-backs on people and things which have power and praise, so the narcissist can have credibility and feel like somebody. So, you can be his example of how we become really someone by living in God's love. Anything less, at best, can get praise and control of people.

Rest in Jesus. We need to get rid of all the nonsense which gets us into less.

"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation" (in Philippians 2:14-16)
---Bill on 8/29/17


Karen4334:

You wrote: I am sorry if I have caused animosity between members, that wasn't my intention. Please forgive me...

Don't worry. You didn't cause any animosity. There has been animosity and infighting here the entire time I have been on this site. When I first joined here, the person who introduced me to it called it the "piranha blogs", due to all the vicious in-fighting that goes on, and in the all the time I have been here, I unfortunately think that the name is often all too apt. Many people resort to accusations and name calling if people disagree with them.
---StrongAxe on 8/28/17


Well, I appreciate all of you that took time out of your day to comment. After reading all of the comments, it was as if I was reading a script of the way-too-often verbal abuse I deal with on a daily basis. I am filing for divorce as I have taken many heartfelt years of study and praying and serious consideration of this way of believing and decided on what side of the fence God wants me. My husband, beyond his beliefs, has some mental issues that our counselor has decided he cannot help my husband with because of his fixation on trying to shove this way of thinking down everyone's throat and being possible bipolar. I am sorry if I have caused animosity between members, that wasn't my intention. Please forgive me...
---Karen4334 on 8/28/17


Jerry6593:

You wrote: The Sabbaths you speak of were the yearly feast days - not the weekly Sabbath days.

You keep saying this, but provide no ACTUAL proof, other than hand-waving rationalization for your own denomination's beliefs. If those words ACTUALLY meant that, why would Paul mention Sabbaths and Holy Days separately, if they meant exactly the same thing? Your interpretation doesn't make any sense.
---StrongAxe on 8/28/17


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Michael e:

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

The Sabbaths you speak of were the yearly feast days - not the weekly Sabbath days. They pointed forward to Christ. The weekly Sabbath points backwards to Creation. We still have a seven-day week, so we still have a weekly Sabbath.


---Jerry6593 on 8/28/17


The mystery of Christ explains how in this dispensation our righteousness and holiness comes from Christ alone, by grace alone, through faith alone, not from Sabbath days.
Our position in Christ makes us holy, without Christ we are nothing (Eph 2:21). Only in Christ are we accepted by God (Col 3:12, Eph 1:6).
Observing days goes back to a position where rest comes at the end of the week, month, or year. Turning to those days we limit our complete position of rest already in Christ every day.
Paul says those holy day laws were weak and beggarly:
(Gal 4:9-11)
As we accept what Christ accomplished on the cross we should put off those weaker elements and let no man judge us regarding not observing those once holy days (Col 2:16).
---michael_e on 8/27/17


cluny: You are arguing with God and your own Orthodox religion. Sabbath observance is one of the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments are part of Orthodox tradition. You falsely claim that Sabbath is not about worship, but only rest. You will be sorely disappointed in the afterlife.

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one SABBATH to another, shall all flesh come to WORSHIP before me, saith the LORD.


---Jerry6593 on 8/27/17


\\GOD in the Ten Commandments set aside a special time to spend with Him.\\

No,, He didn't. We are in God's presence and He with us 24/7/365.

\\ A time where we rest from the world and spend time in corporate worship and good deeds.\\

REST from labor--not only for yourself but your employees, servants, slaves, and even farm animals--is all that the Decalogue commands.

And we are NOT limited to doing works of mercy on only one day of the week, but constantly on EVERY day according to our ability and opportunity.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/26/17


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Amen Jerry.
Hello faithforfaith

You are confusing two different things. Correct we love our family every day. Correct we love GOD every day.

Do you ever take a special time to be with your family?

GOD in the Ten Commandments set aside a special time to spend with Him. A time where we rest from the world and spend time in corporate worship and good deeds. Remember Jesus said it is good to help each other on Sabbath. My wife often goes on to places where homeless are to deliver food. She also delivers food to a widow who is shut in.

We need to take time in Bible study and worship.

GOD is love.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/26/17


\\Karen: The observance of the Seventh-day Sabbath (Saturday) is one of the Ten Commandments. One should no more violate this Commandment than any of the other nine.\\

Jerry, as I've repeatedly pointed out to you, as well as commenting on this thread, the Sabbath commandment hasNOTHING to do with worship and doesn't command it at all.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/26/17


Karen: The observance of the Seventh-day Sabbath (Saturday) is one of the Ten Commandments. One should no more violate this Commandment than any of the other nine.

That having been said, no one should be "forced" to obey God, because "force" is Satan's method - not God's. God said:

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


---Jerry6593 on 8/26/17


There is no ONE DAY to worship (be devoted).

Is there only one day to love your children or your family?

DEVOTION/worship is an ongoing thing that happens continuously throughout the day (it is a state of mind,....honor).
---faithforfaith on 8/25/17


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Good questions Nicole. Thank you. Our denomination just had a Sabbath to speak out against spousal and child abuse.

Riolion

The Entire Bible is from Jews. Jesus and the Apostles were all Jews. The New Covenant is made with Israel.Hewbrews8:8

Ephesians 2 says the church and Israel is one. Those who are saved are children of ABraham. So if you wish to reject everything Jewish you cannot be a Christian.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/25/17


There are those who simply are either spiritual blind or very near-sighted that want to believe Christians are to be bound by commandments that were given ONLY ONLY to the Jews. As such they follow not the Bible but olde Ellen White, a false prophetess. You are wasting your time listening to those kinds of people as they have a mental block that only God can break into.
---Riolion on 8/24/17


Are you going to think we are narcissistic if we agree with your husband?

Which I don't but you don't explain the abuse.

Is his forbidding you from going to church on Sundays?

Only allowing you to go to church on Saturday in which you have to find a church that accommodates the Saturday rule?

Is he forcing you into the Seventh Day Adventist Church?
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/24/17


Well as a Seventh day Adventist I believe from the Bible the Sabbath is the only day of worship set aside by GOD.

But you should not be around abusive people or narcissistic people since they are not living as a Christian.

Jesus went to worship every Sabbath. I think he knows what his Father and Him did and why they gave the Ten Commandments.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/24/17


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It really doesn't make any difference what Biblical evidence you provide that would prove that Saturday in not the only day of worship, if he is narcissist type person, he would reject it and if he is abusive he will take it out on you for challenging his word. Assuming your opinion is that you are in a, "Narcisstic abusive relationship", you need get out of that relationship. Call the police if this is true and report him if he has hurt you.
---WIVV on 8/24/17


First of all, GET OUT of that relationship while you still can do so SAFELY!! (this is no joke, your mental, emotional, and physical health is at stake).

I have more than counseling experience with these relationships, you are in DANGER!!....PLUS, you are an ENABLER/codependent just like EVERYBODY who stays in these relationships.
---faithforfaith on 8/24/17


There is NOTHING in the Decalogue about worship. It merely forbids labor--a rest that extends to one's slaves and farm animals.

Furthermore, services were held TWICE DAILY in the Tabernacle, Temple, and even today in traditional Synagogues.

Ask your friend on what day we are FORBIDDEN to worship, with scripture to back it up.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/17


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