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Nicole, who said anything about STARTING? Was that a smart alec remark.....of which we can all do without your continued hateful remarks. There are many without strings attached...Samaritans Purse for one, which I have supported for years. Then we have the Salvation Army who does a wonderful job as well. No strings attached Nicole.

Yes, there are May agencies now in great need with both Harvy and Irma and who knows what else is on the way...and now an earthquake in Southern Mexico. Sorry Nicole, but the Catholic Church is not equipped to do it all.
---kathr4453 on 9/8/17


Nicole, there is no such line item on your taxes called "pay it foreword". So stop saying you are. Others who have taken out Government student loans, have to repay with interest.

It's funny how people can be do opinionated about government handouts UNLESS they get one, and then excuse it or explain it away, all the while being cold hearted towards others who NEED help. Your education was not life or death....and as far as I'm concerned, no ones taxes should support such programs. There are scholarships etc....and that should be the way it should work. But being a CONSERVATIVE, as I am...that's just how I feel.
---kathr4453 on 9/8/17


KATHR. Your trust in Leftist Fake News, universities, etc has blinded you. Communist defectors like Yuri Bezmanov, & academic David Horowitz warned how Marxists infiltrated & dominate such influential institutions to control public debate/thought. Your hate & ignorance prove the Left's brainwashing, deceit works.

BTW. Christ's perfect sacrifice sanctified Christians, COMPLETELY(Heb 10:10). Why suggest his sacrifice failed to completely sanctify us?

AXE. It seems you prefer people's loss of rights, freedoms when it fits in with Leftist agenda. Why do you not want the Left (the greater evil) to lose its rights and freedoms? After all it's the Left who cause most death (baby murder, terrorism, crime, starvation, disease).
---Haz27 on 9/8/17


//We don't have the RCC, or Church of England or Church of America calling the shots as was eons ago.//

WHAT? They NEVER called the shot esp. not the Catholic Church. Not even the Church of England when the King was in Charge.

He was over their Church, but their Bishops or Priests didn't have a SAY in running any part of England or it's Colonies.

You are mistaken on how Countries are ran.

//We are not ISRAEL, or a Theocracy.//

They are NOT ran by Religious Sect either. They have a Secular Government.

Only some Muslim Countries are ran by religion Sharia law. And one Christian Country with Catholic Law: Vatican City.

Name ONE Country ran by religious Law besides the ones I listed? ONE?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/8/17


//Nicole, since the Catholic Church is not doing such a great job in Latan America, I will support other ministries who also don't have strings attached//

Why would the so called 'failure of the Catholic Church' encourage you to START feeding the poor?

Wasn't Jesus' Commandment enough for you?

Can you name those Ministries without 'strings attached'?

The Protestants I know overseas and here forces people to HEAR the Gospel for a bowl of soup.

//my taxes help as well,//

No, we force abortions and birth control for a bowl of rice.

//just as it did paying for your college education,--Kathr

As my does for multiple of people today and the last 23 years.

Ever heard of 'Pay it forward'?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/8/17




OUR Constitution opens the door for multiculturalism. Plus we have every Tom, Dick and Harry religion under the sun wanting tax breaks here. Our Constitution separates church and state. We don't have the RCC, or Church of England or Church of America calling the shots as was eons ago. We have freedom of religion, which does allow for multicultural religions. We are not ISRAEL, or a Theocracy. If we were, then yes, we could scream and holler all day long, to run the heathans out. That's the problem with CALVINISM....and its early settlers propaganda......they robed Israel of what belongs exclusively to Israel, and claimed it everywhere they settled. And those who believe that are the ones screaming the loudest, and the most RACIST.
---kathr4453 on 9/8/17


Haz27, I don't parrot "your" HATE and fear mongering word for word, parroting the same ol catchy words( shows lack of intelligence) doesn't mean I'm a lefty communist whatever.

Like I said BOTH SIDES HAVE THEIR PROPAGANDA lying machines working overtime. People need to be able to,think for themselves , call out LIES when they see it, from both sides, without being called names by those who think their side is 100% right, 100% truthful and 100% accurate. Unless you're GOD who cannot LIE, as neither side is 100% sanctified Christian , then Haz27....,take your name calling to the Lord, get on your knees and repent of perpetuating WORLDLY THINGS and vulgar rhetoric. Even Jesus called out the self righteous Pharisees .....
---kathr4453 on 9/8/17


KATHR. The fact you parrot so much of Left's Fake News & hate, proves how correct Russian KGB Communist defector, Yuri Bezmanov, was when he said the West was stuck with people brainwashed by Communist Left, with little hope of red pilling you back to reality.

You proved it in your post where you deflect to protect supremacist Muslims in Sweden, in spite of the facts I listed earlier and Islam's religiously endorsed rape culture (remember the Muslims perfect example to follow is the false prophet Mohammed, the rapist, racist, mass murderer, slave trader, pedophile, thief).

The West was one of the most civilized, safest cultures. But now thanks to the Fascist Left's destructive multiculturalism, mass immigration, it's not.
---Haz27 on 9/8/17


Haz27:

You wrote: And now it sounds you might even be ok with even more people's freedoms being impinged, (typical of the totalitarian Left)

Quit putting words into my mouth, and read what I actually write, rather than what you want to read between the lines.

No, I am NOT OK with more people's freedom being impinged. However, when given a choice between some people having their freedom impinged and other people BEING KILLED, I reluctantly prefer the loss of freedom as being the lesser of two evils.
---StrongAxe on 9/8/17


Haz27, If Sweden is lefty fake news liars, then they are lying about their statistics on rape. When any government wants to spread false FEARING statistics about any group of people they don't want in their country.....they somehow are listed as RAPESTS. I'm sure there are rapes, just like our American military has raped around the world, and here at home, this is a fact. Just as all nationalities have been found guilty ...even in India, where they rape their own.... But to say MORE rapes occur because one is an illegal Mexican, Etc, I believe is FAKE NEWS. HOWEVER I am PROLIFE, against legalizing recreational drugs, and hold MANY MANY CONSERVATIVE beliefs. Yes HAZ27, we exist. Conservatives who don't believe in fake news.
---kathr4453 on 9/8/17




AXE. Apart from the Left's Hitler like "Big Lie" routine of deceit, the lunatic Left are renowned for justifying baby murder (a Leftist genocidal evil you, Kathr, Samuelbb7 try to avoid wherever possible), their embrace of the anti Christ death cult of Islam (even covering up for Islam's rape, pedophilia, misogny, terrorism, racism), etc.

And now it sounds you might even be ok with even more people's freedoms being impinged, (typical of the totalitarian Left), just to satisfy the delusional demands of mentally ill "transgender" people, and the Left's PC Fascism.

So are you now also supporting their gender identities and fluidity lunacy as well?





---Haz27 on 9/8/17


Haz27:

The fact that you consider anyone who disagrees with you to be a lunatic does not prove your point, only your extreme bias.

With respect to the California bill: Republican congressmen were voting to defund FEMA while Harvey was raging in Houston. If the California bill may impinge some people's freedoms, the Republican bill may actually cost people LIVES. Which do YOU think is more important? If the left is insane, Republicans are doubly so.

Proof positive we're now near the end times of great tribulations that Jesus prophesied.

On this we can agree - when those who claim to represent Christ represent the exact opposite.
---StrongAxe on 9/7/17


KATHR. You always ignore the deliberately divisive hate & lies from your Leftist puppet masters in your hate for Trump.

Sweden is controled by lunatic Left nutters. Canada, UK, EU closely follows Sweden's lunacy. Calafornia too follows this lunacy with its latest bill passed by the state senate that can penalize anybody with a $1000 fine or up to 1 year in prison if you do not use the preferred pronoun of a transgender person...LOL

The Left who dominate the Fake news media, Hollywood, universities, politics, the deep state, etc, are not only bigoted hateful fascists, sexists and racists, but they're clearly insane too.

Proof positive we're now near the end times of great tribulations that Jesus prophesied.
---Haz27 on 9/7/17


Haz27, whatever AGAIN. I also know this kind of propaganda was spewed about European Jews during the rise of Hitler. So I don't believe everything I hear, just because.

I said, correctly so, that TRUMP would be classified a rapist in Sweden. You can't deal with that truth can you.....so to deflect....you spew hate mongering towards those who hold up a STOP SIGN...

FINE.
---kathr4453 on 9/7/17


Here's one Haz27, ALT RIGHT, Bannon is saying the Catholic Church defends DACA because it needs these illegals to fill positions in the Catholic Church.

NOW, we know you know how I feel about the Catholic Church, and if I believed everything that came out against the Catholic Church I would jump on that and run with it....HOWEVER, since I cannot PROVE this, it would be SLANDER for me to repeat it as if it were TRUTH and perpetuate it.

Another right wing nut Rush...says all the news about hurricanes ( a serious issue we are having now) is solely propaganda to sell water and batteries. TOTALLY NUTS.

Trump openly admitted assaulting women..therefore is not slander.
---kathr4453 on 9/7/17


KATHR. Again you prove you're a Lefty citing Left's deceitful propaganda on Sweden's rape definition.

FACT: Sweden deliberately hides ethnic/religious background of criminals to protect Muslims.
FACT: A psychologist who worked in Sweden's prisons exposed Muslims very high representation in crime.
FACT: Rape is part of mid east Islam culture. Remember their "rape game", in Germany's New Year celebrations?
FACT: Muslim cleric in Australia blamed Western women for rape epidemic from Muslims saying if women dressed like Muslim women do, then they wont get raped.
FACT: Leftists always hide Muslim rape, etc. Note how Lefty authorities in UK willfully ignored 1400+ girls being raped by Muslims over 12 year period.
---Haz27 on 9/7/17


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LOL..KATHR...you Lefties crack me up.
You try to deflect from Muslim rape culture, misogyny, etc.
Yet you condemn Trump on locker room talk, whilst you ignore the full on rape from Bill Clinton, and how evil Hillary brutally attacked Bill's rape victims.

You ignore the Christian hating Left's baby murder, terrorism, etc, but you ceaselessly parrot Leftist Fake News to attack the Right.

You even defended Feminism, which Bannon rightly hates.
Modern (3rd wave) Feminism is outright misandry & racism driven by Marxists.
Rational women are rejecting Feminism because it's nothing more than hateful, divisive misandry & racism from Marxists.

You should have taken the red pill Kathr.
---Haz27 on 9/7/17


AXE. You made false allegation against me, claiming I implied you lie, when in fact I clarified that I referred to your Leftist puppet masters, and that you're a brainwashed minion believing their lies.

The Russian KGB Communist defector, Yuri Bezmanov, is a DEFECTOR from Communism after he realized the evil they are.

Yuri Bezmanov warned (as a former insider) that Communist Left infiltrated mainstream media (today's Leftist Fake News media), Hollywood, Universities, politics (especially DEMs), etc. This is how people like you have been brainwashed, as Yuri said.

Academic David Horowitz likewise came from Communist Left (a former activist) and he likewise warns of the Marxist Left dominating the same institutions.
---Haz27 on 9/6/17


It's lunatic Left lust for mass Muslim immigration, creating huge welfare burden, Islamic No-Go zones, etc, further ensures Sweden's destruction.
Sweden is rape capital of Europe ///

More extreme right wing propaganda from Bannon's news paper, who makes it known he hates feminists, Sweden and Muslims.

Haz27, Sweden categorizes rape differently than anywhere else in the world. Inappropriate touching is classified as rape. So TRUMP would be a rapist in Sweden many times over , just by his GRABBING what is not his to grab, without permission. He better stay out of Sweden lest their statistics show American Whities rape too.
---kathr4453 on 9/6/17


You are mistaking Reagan's economics with Obama's economics. The Rich got Richer and the Middle class got poorer under Obama. Reagan's economics created MORE jobs which brought MORE people out of poverty.

The only jobs Obama created were Government Jobs.

So, you acknowledge that Government bullies it's own citizens. Can't you understand that Freedom means responsibility.

You can run your own life without the Government telling you how to live, eat, work and play.

You will be happier.

//Freedom from environmental oversight leads to disasters like Flint.--StrongAxe

No it did't. The EPA has been around since Dec 2 1970. 47 years! Don't you see how useless is the EPA? They can't even do their own job!
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/6/17


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Haz27, unless you can find those posts you call lefty ....then I SAY you are mistaken. But if it makes you feel better using your posts to use your colorful adjectives and parrot your favorite talking heads ......I think enough folks see that here, so WHATEVER Haz27.

I know what I believe, and what my heart and conscience feel,and say, based on my own conscience and not brainwashed propaganda. I don't answer to you, but the Lord. So please STOP with the name calling and twisted shaming tactics.

I see EVIL coming from both sides, ( MANY REPUBLICANS HAVE HAD ABOTRTIONS) seeing hypocricy on both sides. ( I'm PROLIFE). I take issue by issue, and I don't SLAM anyone or anything JUST BECAUSE it was proposed by democrats.
---kathr4453 on 9/6/17


AXE. You really need to get out of Leftist echo chamber.
It's predicted Sweden will be 3rd world nation within 10 years.

It's lunatic Left lust for mass Muslim immigration, creating huge welfare burden, Islamic No-Go zones, etc, further ensures Sweden's destruction.
Sweden is rape capital of Europe thanks to Muslims.

BTW, Communism is INTERNATIONAL Socialism. NATIONAL Socialism (Nationalist being the one appeal the few Lefties have for Trump) was the more popular version of Socialism in 1930's Germany, Italy.

You should read:
The Big Lie. Exposing the NAZI Roots of the American Left, by academic Dinesh D'Sousa
The DEMs and Hitler's NAZI's shared much in common. Even JFK loved Hitler.
---Haz27 on 9/6/17


Haz27:

You wrote: AXE. I see you conveniently avoided my earlier post where I said that you're a "brainwashed follower" of the Left.

I do not feel in any way obligated to respond to slanderous false allegations.

Don't forget I quoted the Russian KGB Communist defector, Yuri Bezmanov, who described people like you as brainwashed by the far left.

The fact that you quote a communist means you give his beliefs credence. In contrast, I don't give communists credence, because I believe their beliefs are delusional and morally bankrupt.
---StrongAxe on 9/6/17


KATHR. Our debates from years ago showed that you parrot the same propaganda that your deceitful Leftist puppet masters push through their Fake News media, etc.

You know the old saying: "if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's most likely a duck".

AXE. I see you conveniently avoided my earlier post where I said that you're a "brainwashed follower" of the Left.

It's you're Leftist puppet masters who are the real liars. You brainwashed minions for the far Left just parrot their lies believing them to be true.

Don't forget I quoted the Russian KGB Communist defector, Yuri Bezmanov, who described people like you as brainwashed by the far left.
---Haz27 on 9/6/17


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We are talking about the Government economy not Clinton.

The Government DOESN'T make money. It's only source of revenue is by taxes.

Reagan proved that by LOWER taxes the Government receives MORE revenue. Because people are not trying to hide their money.

Clinton raised the tax code and received LESS money. Despite that the Government still had the revenue from the Reagan years.

Bush's wars were expensive, but it wasn't the cause of the recession. He was in error following Barney and Dodd housing bill that CAUSED THE recession. They were Democrats.

Obama doubled down on stupidities of bills that prevented a REAL recovery.

Giving Iran a $755 million GIFT was mean spirited.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/6/17


Jerry6593:

Canada has no presidents. Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, W. Bush, Obama, Trump.

I spoke of Republicans, not Conservatives, even though you Rightists here conflate the two. Reagan pushed trickle-down economics, which actually turned into the failed "pour money on the rich, who keep it and get richer".

Freedom of choice without government bullying is good for some things but not others. Would you like to go to the store and buy meat, knowing that if it poisons you, you merely need buy elsewhere afterwards? Freedom from environmental oversight leads to disasters like Flint.

*I* do NOT now and have never endorsed lawless behavior of Antifa. STOP LYING!
---StrongAxe on 9/6/17


Haz27:

You wrote: Leftists always lie. and Sadly, the likes of you, Samuelbb7, Axe, are brainwashed followers of the far Left.

You thus accuse me (and others) of ALWAYS lying. By doing so, you violate the commandment, "Thou shalt not bear false witness". But don't let actual biblical commandments deter you from your black-and-white political views.
---StrongAxe on 9/5/17


ax: "I actually lived through the administrations of 12 presidents."

Were those your native Canadian Presidents? I have only experienced 2 conservative Presidents in my lifetime (which extends back to FDR) - Eisenhower and Reagan. The Bushes, Clinton and Obama all hated Reagan and what he stood for, as do you leftists here. Reagan stood for smaller government, less taxes, and freedom of choice without government bullying.

Do you leftists here (you know who you are) actually endorse the lawless behavior of the Antifa & BLM thugs empowered by Obama and Soros?


---Jerry6593 on 9/6/17


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No actually Haz27, you are mistaken. I never got involved in politics here UNTIL Trump, so you must be confusing me with someone else.

I've always advocated that Christians are in the world, but not OF the world. However when Christians here and around say how WONDERFUL Trump is, when actually he goes against Chriatian values and virtues ..I will speak out. Pense is I believe a Christian, with some maybe quirky ideas here and there, BUT has shown more genuine Christian virtues and certainly self control. Does not GRAB women and brag about it, and is not mentally ill. Doesn't seem to be a pathological liar who tells his kids to lie to cover for him etc.

That said, does NOT make me a LEFTIE.
---kathr4453 on 9/6/17


KATHR. Please....LOL...we've debated on CN for years, and you've always been a Lefty, well before Trump.

BTW, Leftists always lie. It's was taught by Hillary mentor and Marxist Saul Aylinski, and was a tactic (the Big Lie) used by your Lefty predecessor Adolf Hitler.
Any objective assessment will show that Leftist dominated media is Fake News.

Sadly, the likes of you, Samuelbb7, Axe, are brainwashed followers of the far Left. And Russian KGB Communist defector, Yuri Bezmanov, warned that the West was stuck with such brainwashed people and that there was little that can be done to red pill you back to reality.
---Haz27 on 9/5/17


Nicole_Lacey:

I don't need to read what the histories tell me about those years, because I actually lived through the administrations of 12 presidents. I experienced those times myself. I was actually on the right before W.

So Reagan's tax relief made Clinton rich? That it did so at the expense of the economy is an indictment of Reagan who implemented it, not Clinton and all those other businessmen (mosly Republicans) who benefited it.

Bush was careless, but OBAMA intentionally tried to ruin this Country financially.

Obama inherited a country left by W. almost on the verge of another Great Depression, and pulled us out of it. If not for his policies, many others would likely have also failed.
---StrongAxe on 9/5/17


Interesting how facts that make someone uncomfortable are called FAKE NEWS. That over used excuse, along with "alternative facts" used to distort facts is only used and abused by Trump, as he lies his way through the day every day. And unfortunately his brainwashed followers believe him, without actually checking out the facts.

TODAY Haz27, I can't defend Trump. It has nothing to do with political affiliations, but the very essence of the person. However I DID SAY LET PENCE TAKE OVER. Can't you grasp that Haz27? Which makes me wonder if you like Nicole CANT READ, and just use this site to spew your own hate mongering.
---kathr4453 on 9/5/17


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//defense of poor LGBT bullies who sued Christian bakers over wedding cake.---Haz27

Right! Did you notice they are too afraid to ask a Muslim bakery to bake them a cake? Fake Cowards!

StrongAxe: Financial mess?! The past 3 Republican presidents left the country in a recession, which subsequent Democratic presidents pulled it out of//

Read the real history and not the fake media's article.

You know Regan's tax relief was the REAL reason Clinton came into a windfall.

Bush was careless, but OBAMA intentionally tried to ruin this Country financially.

Under Obama we had several cities to go bankrupt in America's history. Thank God Trump is POTUS, because Hillary was going to bankrupt USA (or sell it.)
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/5/17


AXE. The DEM's push for easier abortion. That is genocide.

I already showed you where DEMs are diametrically opposed to actual teachings of Jesus.

The Christian hating Left push their divisive identity politics to create a PC fear that one must not even say merry Christmas, etc.
Thus we see the gradual decrease in gospel being preached to the lost (spiritually needy) who lack Christ our spiritual food/drink (1Cor 10:3,4), to clothe spiritually naked (Isa 61:10), take in spiritual strangers (Eph 2:12), etc.

What you conveniently choose to ignore is there is a lessor evil (conservatives), and a greater evil (Leftists). The shades of grey argument is merely an excuse to justify your support for the greater evil.
---Haz27 on 9/5/17


Haz the thugs on the left don't mitigate the thugs on the right.

When people spread hate. They are following Satan not Jesus. It does not matter which political side they are on. Those who hate are followers of Satan.

GOD is love.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/5/17


KATHR. You constantly attack Right, parroting same hateful propaganda from Lefts Fake News, DEMs. Yet you offer little to no criticism of Left. Excuse me if I LOL about your claim to impartiality.

Interesting a Lefty like you speaks of laws that "defend".
I guess you refer to Lefts defense of supremacist anti Christ terrorist cult of Islam from valid criticism, etc.
And defense of poor LGBT bullies who sued Christian bakers over wedding cake.
And we cant forget how the corrupt Leftist Mayor at Berkeley told the police to stand down, letting the Fascist Left ANTIFA thugs "defend" brainwashed snowflakes of the far Left from having to tolerate a free speech/thought conference being held at uni.


---Haz27 on 9/5/17


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Haz27:

When did the Democrats commit genocide?

I showed where the Right is diametrically opposed to what JESUS actually preached. Show where the Left is, using JESUS'S quotes from the gospels.

There are true and falses on BOTH sides. Learn that neither side is black nor white, but both are shades of grey.


Nicole_Lacey:

I complain, not about people's activities per se, but their HYPOCRISY. If THEY claim to do something and do the opposite, it is fair game to call them on it.

Financial mess?! The past 3 Republican presidents left the country in a recession, which subsequent Democratic presidents pulled it out of.
---StrongAxe on 9/5/17


Haz27, I've said this MANY TIMES HERE. I DO NOT defend the Left or Right. But if you THINK defending laws that protect people is LEFT then what you are saying is the RIGHT do not have laws protecting people. And somehow when the Right is in office, no one needs protection.

We have many Churches like Osteens. So with that Haz27, if you all don't, THEN Australia is nothing like America. So tell us, exactly WHEN did you fight for your Independence from England, and set up your Government like America? Do you have monuments to the English Soldiers who oversaw the penal colony when you were first established? If laws didn't change, you would still be England's criminals, and Australia would be one big Alcatraz.
---kathr4453 on 9/5/17


AXE. Yes, I defend the right. They're lessor evil compared to genocidal Left.
BTW, it's your heartless Leftist puppet masters who go against what Jesus preached.

Due to Left's divisive PC identity politics, false churches don't preach gospel to the lost (such as anti Christ Muslims, etc), who are the spiritually hungry/thirsty lacking Christ our spiritual food/drink (1Cor 10:3,4).

They don't help the lost, spiritually naked, who lack garment of salvation (Isa 61:10).

They refuse to take in the lost, who are spiritual strangers from covenants of promise (Eph 2:12,19).

Open your spiritual eyes AXE.
If you keep thinking like a natural man then you'll never have any spiritual discernment (1Cor 2:14).
---Haz27 on 9/5/17


Did you notice the difference in deportment of the Tea Party crowds a few years ago as compared to that of the current anti-Trump crowds? Christ-like vs. Satanic! Jerry6593

True. We see the same in Australia. I hear its the same in Europe.

The Left, like their Islamist allies, always resort to violence, terrorism, hate, persecution, deceit and genocide.

Regardless of whether their victims are elderly, disabled, etc, the heartless Left consider their evil cause to be righteous and therefore justify their lynch mob mentality.
---Haz27 on 9/4/17


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//I AM content to live and let live, so by your very own definition, I am not a leftist.---StrongAxe

WHAT? Read your posts. You complain about others LACK of activity all the time.

You want Government to FORCE other people to pay more taxes.

Remember Margaret Thatcher famous quote about you all?

***"...and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them.".

You complain about us all the time. I love this Country 100% with all it's bad, ugly, good and greatness. WHY? Because there ISN'T another Country that comes close. I understand why you came here, but could you please STOP PUTTING US DOWN?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/4/17


KATHR. You always defend Left in spite of their baby murder, corruption, lies, etc. They're no different now than previous Leftys Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot.

I agree, many churches (maybe Osteen as you say, but I know little about him) lead people astray.

Christians should follow only Christ. This world is in it's last days and no political or church leader can undo what is prophesied.

AXE. You admitted in previous debates you support Left. You always argue in their defense. And I'll always point out the Left's evil nature (baby murder, etc) & genocidal history (Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot), until you realize what in fact you're defending.

BTW, think spiritually, instead of like a natural man (1Cor 2:14).
---Haz27 on 9/4/17


Nicole, that is the problem I have watched for the last 30 years. People who believe they are Christians because they are either Republicans or Conservatives. And yes these R/C have preyed upon the so called Religious Right, that even the Pope recently admonished. So is the Pope an evil LEFTEST? I would love to hear you say so here.

To be an overcomer Nicole is to be Curcified with Christ, and walk as a New Creature, not spewing hate mongering towards anyone. You are not one. If you should ever find yourself one day as one...you will loath yourself for all this hate you spew. You will actually have the mind of Christ revealing to you you have a HIGHER CALLING then the one you are displaying now Nicole.
---kathr4453 on 9/4/17


Jerry6593:

You said: The leftists are not FOR anything. ... They are never content to live and let live ...

I AM content to live and let live, so by your very own definition, I am not a leftist.
---StrongAxe on 9/4/17


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Jerry, I remember.

//Haz27, don't forget Trump was a Democrat and now says he's a republican.//

At least he CHANGED before running on the Republican ticket.

Unlike Bernie is registered as an INDEPENANT and claims to be a SOCIALIST. Yet you ALLOWED him run on the Democrat ticket.

No matter since you ALREADY had the Democrat primary race FIXED for Hillary

//it shows how fickle people can be and how "dangerous" fickle people can be.//

Yup, but being a brazen socialist is WORST.

//You do t really expect the Conservatives to SAVE THE WORLD.----kathr4453

Even the Left ADMITS that Conservatives just follow Jesus, soooooo you don't like Jesus will overcome the world? John 16:33
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/4/17


Haz: "I thought you all were for women's rights?"

The leftists are not FOR anything. They are always against everything decent. Theirs is the way of Satan - one of force, destruction, anger and hatred. They are never content to live and let live, but to tear down, destroy, and upset the order of rational society for their own self aggrandizement. That's why they can never be true Christians - because they only know how to hate and not love.

Did you notice the difference in deportment of the Tea Party crowds a few years ago as compared to that of the current anti-Trump crowds? Christ-like vs. Satanic!


---Jerry6593 on 9/4/17


Haz27:

I did not defend the left. I said the right's "less government" claim is hypocritical because it is less in ways that serve the rich (e.g. less EPA, selling off public lands, etc.), but more in ways that serve its evangelical voter base (as I previously said). The Republicans started wooing evangelicals after the 1960s. It is now the unholy party of God and Mammon.

YOU always defend the right, even though Republicans go against all Jesus SPECIFICALLY preached - feeding the hungry, healing the sick, etc. They want to defund all those things. As Harvey was devastating Houston, they voted to defund FEMA to pay for Trump's wall! Choosing to not feed the hungry so you can not be hospitable to strangers says it all.
---StrongAxe on 9/4/17


Haz27, don't forget Trump was a Democrat and now says he's a republican. Maybe Jason Kessler was also once a democrat who is now a Trump supporter. Both CLAIM they changed their views. So exactly what does that prove Haz27...., to me, it shows how fickle people can be and how "dangerous" fickle people can be.

Me thinks you spend too much time ranting about worldly affairs .....if ONLY you had that much energy and conviction about OUTTING crooked folks trafficking in the Gospel.....leading people to hell. That is far more serious. We all know the Bible says that times will get worse.....You do t really expect the Conservatives to SAVE THE WORLD.......it's NEVER gonna happen Haz27. Rail all you want...THEY ARE ALL EVIL.
---kathr4453 on 9/4/17


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AXE. CN word limits make it difficult. My point is you always defend the Left in spite of its baby murder, etc.

KATHR. The Charlottesville unite the right rally organizer was an Obama Lefty who was from the far Left Occupy movement.

You should stop trusting the Fascist Left's Fake News media. They lie by pointing the finger at insignificant groups like the KKK, just to divert attention away from the real threats such as their comrades the Fascist Left hate groups ANTIFA & BLM racists.

The Left today truly are evil, much like their Lefty forefathers Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.
---Haz27 on 9/3/17


StrongAxe, Obama CLOSED many coal jobs through EPA.

Trump reopening up the coal jobs did create the jobs. You are wrong on the numbers

****There are approximately 174,000 blue-collar, full-time, permanent jobs related to coal in the U.S.: mining (83,000), transportation (31,000), and power plant employment (60,000). (See below for details on each sector.) The U.S. civilian labor force totaled 141,730,000 workers in 2005, thus, permanent blue-collar coal industry employees represent 0.12% of the U.S. workforce....

This TOTAL DOES NOT include indirect employment - workers who are not directly employed in the coal industry, but whose jobs are supported by that industry--Source Watch
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/3/17


StrongAxe! Christians in Texas are doing MORE for the victims than Muslims. 20 times more. There's more than ONE Mosque in Houston. Lefties Always divides people. Just look at the good instead of the bad. What are you doing?

//Haz27, another IGNORANT statement from someone who doesn't even live here.//

As you since you are NOT BLACK! Haz27 is RIGHT! Leftist are making up crimes.

//..but they find other ways to intimidate.---kathr

How? Only the Left are intimidating people. Democrat party and it's ANTIFA are bashing, kicking, urine throwing, pepper spraying people just last WEEK in Berkley and Arizona alone.

Even Pelosi had to denounce them. If Pelosi has to call you out then you KNOW you went to far!
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/3/17


AXE. You Lefties struggle with inconvenient truths that contradict your PC view. It's called cognitive dissonance. To avoid this discomfort Leftys retreat to their PC echo chamber for a reassuring serve of confirmation bias. I hope you'll eventually break from this routine.

The mosque taking in so called "refugees" do so as it benefits the mosque. Most "refugees" are Muslims. It gives positive media coverage to distract from the fact Islam is a supremacist cult that relies on Sharia law terrorism to maintain its authority.

Youre thinking like a natural man, instead of spiritual (1Cor 2:14). The hungry are those without Christ, our spiritual food (1Cor 10:3,4). Preach gospel to feed spiritually hungry.
---Haz27 on 9/3/17


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Haz27:

Please, please, PLEASE take a course in logic.

Where did I EVER defend murder of babies?
I did not say "abortion is good". I said "banning abortion is a counterexample to the right's claim of less government". Please learn the difference.

OK. Let's look at Muslims in the light of what Jesus taught, in particular Matthew 25.

Houston mosques opened up as refugee centers after Harvey. Joel Osteen's Lakeside Church didn't do so until shamed by social media.

Quebec offered relief aid. Texas Republican Secretary of State refused help, and said "just pray for us". HUH?! Matthew 25 doesn't say, "I was hungry, and you prayed for me".
---StrongAxe on 9/3/17


AXE. It's always disappointing to see a Christian defending the Left's murder of babies, LGBT marriage, transgenderism, etc.

Lets compare Left's totalitarianism, to Conservatives less government.

Conservatives seek to maintain tried policies that have long proved successful and hence require little to no new restrictions on society.

The totalitarian Left, however, push for destructive change which requires more legislation & restrictions to manage the chaos they cause.

With CN word limits I'll pick one brief example, that of Muslim immigration. The Left invite and defend supremacist Islamists thus freedom of speech is threatened through the deceitful Left's PC hate laws. Also we now have more terrorism.
---Haz27 on 9/3/17


KATHR. The KKK was domestic terrorist arm of DEMs. They're now a spent force, too small to be relevant/////

Haz27, another IGNORANT statement from someone who doesn't even live here. The KKK REPUBLICAN, DAVID DUKE, has openly endorsed Trump. The KKK (and Neo Nazis, old time Dems) have joined forces CALLED THE ALT RIGHT are not DEMS.

I think you are ranting about things you are reading from THE EXTREME RIGHT, if in fact THIS where you got this bogus misinformation And have played down the KKK and NeoNazi's here AKA ALT RIGHT. No Haz27, they don't OPENLY have "after church linching picnics" and send invites to friends in our current day.....but they find other ways to intimidate.
---kathr4453 on 9/3/17


The Government forced laws means MORE Government. Allowing one group to KILL another group is WRONG - Abortion.

The problem with Transgender military personnel are the 'freebies'. The average cost is $50,000 not counting monthly hormone therapy. At least 200 days recovery. After all that the average STAY in the military is 4 yrs.

You do know the purpose of the military is to WIN WARS! You Leftists always complain about the Defense budget. This makes it worst.

Plus, Lady Military Personnel have complained about showering with Transgender men. What happened? I thought you all were for women's rights?

Protect our bathrooms law are for women as well.

Bathrooms separation was invented for women protection NOT men.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/3/17


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NICOLE. Good post.

Yes, the Southern Poverty Law Center is a deceitful hate group for the Fascist Left.
They're much like their Leftist predecessor Hitler who used the Big Lie tactic to deceive the masses.

Funny how the far Left SPLC don't seem to list fellow Leftists (like their Fascist ANTIFA and BLM comrades) as hate groups.
---Haz27 on 9/2/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Trump claimed to created 50000 coal jobs. There are around that many in the whole COUNTRY.


Haz27:

What I have never understood is how the left claims to be for less government - yet are for MORE whenever it comes to drugs and reproduction. Their continued resistance to medical marijuana (where it has proven benefits in many areas) and hemp fiber for rope and many other similar products is totally incomprehensible, especially since a majority of states themselves want it. They insist on forbidding abortion, same-sex marriage, transgender military personnel, plus all the "protect our bathrooms" laws. ALL of these are the very antithesis of "less government".
---StrongAxe on 9/2/17


It amazes me how a play on words confuses people

95% of PPD's revenue comes from the ACTUAL stopping persons from being a parents.

Southern Law Poverty which isn't poor (355 millions), practice little law, has a false hate group map, while it's core is HATE.

ANTIFA are fascist themselves chanting: "No Trump, no wall, no USA at all!" We had an election, but they refuse to honor the results. So they want to do away with the election because they don't agree the freedom election system.

They want a Fascist Government to tell the rest of us WHAT TO DO.

Again Black College fund isn't about entrance, but money. The name itself is self explanatory. Affirmative Action is about entrance and not funding.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/2/17


JERRY. I liked your post. Well said.

NICOLE. ANTIFA & the racist BLM terrorists are for the DEMs today, what NAZI Brown shirts were for Hitler.

KATHR. The KKK was domestic terrorist arm of DEMs. They're now a spent force, too small to be relevant.

AXE. There is no right wing Fascism. You should stop trusting the deceitful revisionism of the Left.
The conservative right are about less government.
But Fascism is of the collectivist totalitarian Left.

Interesting how the Left's Fake News media & Leftist politicians, etc are so reluctant to denounce their Fascist ANTIFA comrades. Their silence is consent.
---Haz27 on 9/2/17


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My personal feelings are this......the more attention any of these groups get from the Media, the more they will act out. Sorry Jerry, but the KKK has been making noise for years. And has been recruiting for years. When I lived in Greensboro NC, there was a huge altercation between the KKK and the Communist party....this was in the mid to late 70. The only reason I got out of Jury Duty was because I was expecting ...my now Daughter. My husband and I want to LSU with David Duke. He was trouble then too.
---kathr4453 on 9/2/17


Jerry, excellent point.

StrongAxe: ...there are actual photos from inside the convention center, showing that it was not full.//

Hard to believe because people are ALWAYS turned away due to LACK OF SPACE. Photos of OUTSIDE showing people denied entry.

//Trump claimed numbers of attendees which were more than double the seating capacity of the venue..//

He is including the people OUTSIDE.

Coal jobs are bogus to you because you DON'T KNOW any Coal Miners. In Alabama I know people who got coal and steel jobs AFTER OBAMA left office.

What about the ANTIFA violence at Berkeley?

There wasn't any one to protest YET they still caused violence and destruction.

ANTIFA ARE VIOLENT MEAN PEOPLE
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/2/17


Jerry6593:

Antifa means "Anti-fascist action". It exists to oppose right-wing fascism. It has been in the news much more this year because of Trump's friendly attitude towards white supremacists.

White people don't NEED a United White People College Fund, because collage entrance dynamics ALREADY heavily favor whites, or White Lives Matter, because in interactions with the police, they ALREADY have a much lower rate of violence and mistreatment than minorities do. If they did create such movements, those movements would be unnecessary, so the ONLY reason to do so would be exclude others on basis of race (e.g. racism). That is not the case with groups who are, in fact, actually marginalized on the basis of race.
---StrongAxe on 9/2/17


I think that Antifa and BLM are the end result of Obama's community organizing. The radical left, be it progressive, communist, liberal, or Fabian Socialist, has its roots in the notion that social utopia is achieved by first employing anarchy and chaos. The only equality that socialism produces is equality of misery.


Nicole: Do you think that we white people would be called "racist" if we had a "United White People College Fund" or a "White Lives Matter" band of thugs? Oh, that's right, we do have the band of thugs. It is called the KKK, and they are ALL Democrats.


---Jerry6593 on 9/2/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

You can believe that if you wish, but there are actual photos from inside the convention center, showing that it was not full. Trump claimed numbers of attendees which were more than double the seating capacity of the venue as provided by the fire marshall - i.e. his figures were totally bogus (like many others he makes up, e.g. coal jobs he created).

ONE person in the crowd threw a tear gas cannister at the police, which spread over the area. There were THREE arrests for violence (plus one other for someone with an outstanding warrant). I actually live in Phoenix. I actually passed through the area on the day in question. There were a lot of people there, but it orderly for the most part.
---StrongAxe on 9/2/17


//I think what really annoys me Nicole, is that the taxes..paid for your FREE GOVERNMENT PAID EDUCATION.//

I can UNDERSTAND. It's isn't FAIR that the Government picks and choose whom to help.

//That program was not an EXCLUSIVE REPUBLICAN CHARITY ORGINIZATION that paid 100 % of your college education.//

Maybe an exclusive DEMOCRATE IDEA, but as always the whole Country had to paid for it.

//Your TAXES pay for other programs going to other misfortune people in NEED//

WRONG. My taxes are going to other WASTEFUL Democrat ideas.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/1/17


//Nicole's FREE GOVERNMENT education WAS in fact a total waste of Government programs.//

Only if I didn't graduate. ISN'T FAIR.

What puzzles me is your response. Knowing it isn't fair you still want to continue paying more TAXES to wasteful programs? All I said was that nongovernment organizations CAN do better.

//She now uses that education to assault people//

No, I used my education to be a good NURSE. As you said, the Government got their more back 20 times in taxes 10 years ago.

Not COUNTING Society getting the use of my nursing degree for 6 years for FREE as a Nun working 70 hours a week.

My way of paying our Country back.

//I want my money back.---kathr4453

ENVY is a deadly sin.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/1/17


TRAV. I agree that intelligence is lacking in terrorist groups like the Left's ANTIFA and BLM.

They are really just "brainwashed useful idiots" (as described by various Communists) for the Marxist Left.

I understand they are being funded by the likes of George Soros, who is renowned for his damage to various other countries he has destabilized.
---Haz27 on 8/31/17


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Yep. ANTIFA and BLM are terrorists and should be designated as such.

They are the modern day equivalent to Hitler's NAZI brown shirts.

Interestingly they are all of the Left.
---Haz27 on 8/30/17

You give them more credit for intelligence than they possess. The left are caught up in their own evil devices.
If it is righteous they are against it. Dogs and swine.

Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Pro_14:16 A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.
---Trav on 8/31/17


StrongAxe, you wish. Hundreds of people are turned away from rally because of the centers are TOO SMALL.

Plus, Trump Supporters have to REMOVE all symbols of Pro-Trump for Safety. Antifa idiots are embolden (Lack of police action) to beat them up or destroy their cars.

Whenever you all are caught you try to accuse us of your own actions.

//whites didn't have nearly as hard at time getting into college as blacks.//

No it doesn't assist with entry, but with PAYING FOR IT.

//Affirmative Action---StrongAxe

Assist with entry ONLY. I know because it helped my entry without any of my input.

The Pell Grant paid my tuition after I supplied my information for Government Assistance.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/31/17


AXE. Affirmative action is racism pushed by the Left through their divisive identity politics. And looking at the state of Western nations it's clear the Left's identity politics (through affirmative action, etc) has been deliberately divisive.

I recall some years back hearing a black high court judge in USA complaining about the Left's racism through affirmative action.
He rightly argued that he achieved his position through his own efforts and ability without the Left's demeaning racist view that blacks are inferior and need extra privileges to help them make it.
---Haz27 on 8/31/17


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: They are hired from websites such as craigslist.

All of them, most of them, or just a few? Here in Phoenix, there were Craigslist ads last week offering $15/hour for 200 people to stand outside the convention center holding pro-Trump signs during Trump's rally. Pot, kettle, black.

even though the funds were only for Black people, they didn't insult anyone into thinking White minds were okay to waste.

That is because whites didn't have nearly as hard at time getting into college as blacks. Affirmative Action doesn't assert that whites have no problems, just that they have less problems (and thus need less help) than blacks.
---StrongAxe on 8/31/17


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Loose assembly? I don't think you realize that they are paid. They are hired from websites such as craigslist. Then they are bused to the place of protest.

If someone pays a group of people and provides transportation for these people it means they are being organized.

//BLM could have been a useful organization, but it's gotten off track.---Cluny

I don't think they were ever on track.

BLM started from hate and only grew in hate.

Do you remember the commercials for Black college funds?

It's slogan: 'A mind is a terrible thing to waste.'

That was effective because even though the funds were only for Black people, they didn't insult anyone into thinking White minds were okay to waste.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/30/17


Yep. ANTIFA and BLM are terrorists and should be designated as such.

They are the modern day equivalent to Hitler's NAZI brown shirts.

Interestingly they are all of the Left.
---Haz27 on 8/30/17


Antifa is not an organization as such, but a loose assembly of leftist groups and individuals. I don't like what they are doing, either, Jerry.

BLM could have been a useful organization, but it's gotten off track.

Both are becoming like Al Capp's SWINE--Student Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/30/17


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