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Nicole, the past two days since this conversation came up im astonished at the depth of this problem with aging religious and the Catholic Churches lack of care for their elderly who took vows of poverty and had to give even their measly salary to their orders. They predict that by 2030 the cost of caring for the Catholic aging NUNS and Priests ALONE will run 9.8 BILLION DOLLARS, of Medicaid ( tax payers money) the Catholic Church NEVER PAID INTO...Yes now that I see this I ask: SHOULD Obamacare cover non participating Nuns and Priests....at the expense of collapsing the healthcare system for those who HAVE paid in WHEN the Catholic Church is so wealthy? I now see why Trump wants to do away with it.....that's SOCIALISM . HOW HYPOCRITICAL.
---kathr4453 on 9/23/17


StrongAxe, I guess I am trying to tell you that no lady thinks about SS after taking a vow of poverty.

Kathr: When the Church can no longer care for their own,//

What are the excuses of Protestants not taking care of their own? You are being hypocritical.

//What I see is the unrealistic back breaking work placed upon those who are still in, and telling them it's for the Glory of God....BOOOOO//

Did you help your Protestant Missionaries in 3rd world country dig for water? That's back breaking and they did it for the GLORY OF GOD!!!

Ever heard of the saying "Pick up a shovel or shut up."?

In other words, only those helping have the right to speak on the matter.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/23/17


THANK YOU KATHR, for the citation. Remember when you claimed the Jewish people had to care for the nuns?

I said YES, but for a FEE.

That same article said it was originally a nursing home for Jews but NOW it takes in others. WHY? Because of this also in the article:

***"The nuns' care is FUNDED through a combination of Medicaid, Medicare, the New York ARCHDIOCESAN HEALTH PLAN, PAYMENTS FROM THE ORDER ITSELF and the individual sisters' scant assets.."

It also listed the Orders' name. Those peculiar Orders are dying out because they ABANDONED the rule of Community. The Vatican WARNED them decades ago that they would be in that predicament if they didn't change. Young Women are not attracted to Secular living.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/23/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Regardless of why they do it, people who work for free in religious communities don't build up any social security earnings.

Jesus provide great retirement benefits, but doesn't cause mana to fall from the sky, or rent, or electricity, or internet.

If you work for a company and leave, you have your social security. If someone leaves a religious community, he has nothing.

(I had one friend who worked in his family business for nothing for many years, with the promise that when his father retired, he would inherit the business. When his father retired, he sold the business to another, and my friend got nothing - no income, no inheritance, no social security, no gratitude. From family.)
---StrongAxe on 9/23/17


FOX NEWS US
Aging nuns, their orders no longer able to provide care, get care at Jewish nursing home
Published May 24, 2015 Associated Press

Just type this in your search engine Nicole. This is happening in the Bronx NY, but not the only place where it states the Church is no longer capable of caring for aging Nuns. When the Church can no longer care for their own, because of the down tick of New Nuns entering the convents. What I see is the unrealistic back breaking work placed upon those who are still in, and telling them it's for the Glory of God....BOOOOO

The Lord does NOT treat anyone this way....mans institutions do. I wouldn't want someone who's been FORCED to worked 70 hrs caring for me....it's too dangerous.
---kathr4453 on 9/23/17




As I pointed out Nicole, Religious Communities, The Catholic Church is NOT taking care of their own....now in NY a Jewish Nursing home IS, and is probably getting federal or state funding with that.

I also pointed out to you a few weeks ago the horrible conditions of those in Latan America...which is predominately Catholic.

You live in a fantasy world that does not exist.... Exactly HOW RICH IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH? Maybe that is the problem God hates and is exposing it.
---kathr4453 on 9/23/17


//..a friend who had lived in a religious community..all their needs are taken care of in exchange for their work,//

WRONG. The Religious Community take care of each other not for the work, but because they are family.

//no wages actually change hands, so there are no social security taxes withheld.//

Of course

//When the person gets old enough to retire, because he has no social security wages, he receives zero in social security income. He has nothing to fall back on.---StrongAxe

WOW. He should Trust in Jesus as he did all through his Religious life. Social Security can't compare with Jesus

His Religious Community has his back.

Religious Communities take care of their own.

We Trust
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/22/17


Nicole_Lacey:

One issue that I have heard from a friend who had lived in a religious community is that, even though all their needs are taken care of in exchange for their work, no wages actually change hands, so there are no social security taxes withheld. When the person gets old enough to retire, because he has no social security wages, he receives zero in social security income. He has nothing to fall back on.
---StrongAxe on 9/22/17


//Nuns are old and used up, the CC does not care for them.//

NOT TRUE. Cite the Nuns. Making up stuff

//Jewish community is and has facilities in NY taking care of Catholic Nuns.//

Name the Jewish community. You can't because you made that up.
No Jewish community runs a nursing home for free! And esp not for non-Jews!

//That's what I call loving your neighbor as yourself. They do it because they want to.---Kathr

YEA, FOR A FEE!

I am still waiting for your citations.

Name the Black Nun and her so called tell all book.

Now name the Jewish Community above.

Lastly, why would you begrudge your Protestant brothers and sisters care since you won't or can't care for them yourself?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/22/17


Kathr, when I was sick in the convent I got A+ service. I didn't have to cook/clean. I didn't worry about the mortgage, light, water bill or how I was going to buy food. How was getting to my doctor's apts or paying her. Our older sister didn't have to worry their family members would put them in Nursing homes. You know how a REAL FAMILIES behaves with their love ones.

//collecting some sort of compensation while on medical leave.//

Only medical insurance and on loan. That's it.

//your medical problem has affected your disposition and ability to read and process that I have not attacked YOU,---kathr4453

YOU ARE PRICELESS.

You do realize you just attacked me within the SAME sentence of denying attacking me? :D
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/22/17




What is also so sad is once these Nuns are old and used up, the Catholic Church does not care for them. At least for a group in NY where believe it or not the Jewish community is and has facilities in NY taking care of Catholic Nuns. That's what I call loving your neighbor as yourself. They do it because they want to. So you all care for Protestants, and Jews take care of Catholics...where Catholics refuse to care for their own.... It seems to be a problem everywhere doesn't it.

Thank you for your service Nicole. I pray your health will return soon. I know nursing is hard physical and mentally exhausting work.
---kathr4453 on 9/22/17


//now you do pay TAXES..you say, paying it forward for the Government Taxes (not the Catholic Church) that paid for your nursing.//

No I said while I was in the convent working 70hrs a week for free was paying IT FORWARD.

The Gov paid for my nursing edu which I USED caring for sick people. Our Community doesn't take a PENNY from the Government. Thus SAVING the Government the cost of caring for the sick without health insurance themselves

That's want I meant by paying it forward.

//I see God really did have the final say here in the end.---kathr

I agree, not only the final, but the FIRST as well.

He took care of me and used my granted talent to take care of His Sick. Isaiah 55:1

God is Great!
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/22/17


Kathr, I AM TRULY SORRY. JESUS REPRIMANDED ME.

I lost my cool. I was mad, but in no way an excuse for my horrible behavior.

I am passionate about my Lord Jesus Christ and His Bride the Catholic Church.

But Jesus TAUGHT me how to respond to those whom I believe have mistreated me and I didn't follow His Lead.

I think it would be best if we didn't communicate unless it is beneficial in building UP our spirits.

It seems we bring the worst out of each other. Pleasing only the demons and disappointing God, His Children and those who are thinking to be His children.

Peace to you and God bless.

I know you love Jesus as well and passionate about Him as I am.

Your Sister in Christ.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/22/17


Nicole, I see you stated you were on medical leave and not working at the moment. How awesome that you are not a nun, where they refused you even a normal work week. I'm also sure, PRAISE GOD, you are collecting some sort of compensation while on medical leave.

But it's also possible Nicole, that your medical problem has affected your disposition and ability to read and process that I have not attacked YOU, but the shameful practices of the Catholic Church. I also hope you are not on pain meds, that do affect your ability to be nice. People in prolonged pain are in fact CRANKY, and attack others for no reason.

Get well soon Nicole. Prayers are with you.
---kathr4453 on 9/22/17


Nicole, NurseRobert, Strongaxe and I and many more will tell you, even as Nurse Robert quoted Jefferson, and quoted a Catholic WHATEVER, stating Jefferson was a deist,and not a Chriatian.

And because of that you just posted the most outrageous post....sounding like a lunatic.

I don't go off the deep because you want to believe everyone who says they are a Christian is.....

I just simply state that many actually DO, yet in Gods definition...they are not.

Please grow up Nicole and act like a mature woman. Even Mormons say they are...HOWEVER MORMONISM IS NOT CHRISTIANITY. GET IT???
---kathr4453 on 9/22/17


Kathr, I am SICK OF YOUR LIES!

I will cut off our communication with each other.

I tried to have a honest conversation with you, but I see you are INCAPABLE of being honest!

You can try to address your pathetic posts to me all you want. I will not reply to any of your NASTY COMMENTS.

You are one MEAN lady!

Maybe after 5 or 6 failed attempts of your nastiest comments to me you will STOP.

I refuse to catch your ball!

GROW UP!
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/21/17


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Jefferson referred to himself as a Christian. Never of the Orthodox denomination.
---ObamasBoy on 9/21/17


Nicole, Gods WORD alone defines "Christian". To pick up your cross and follow Him. Jefferson did not believe in "the cross" calling it foolishness, and his use of the word Orthodox does not mean Like Cluny or Ruben's faction of the split from the RCC.

Jeffersons own words measured up to scripture says he is not a Christian in the way SCRIPTURE defines what a Christian is...that is, believing in the virgin birth and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

No one is interested in YOUR definition of Christian Nicole...we are only interested in Gods definition. Many people think they are Christian simply because they are not Hindu or Islam.....or because they are republicans. Thinking is not FACT.
---kathr4453 on 9/21/17


//to quote CARDINAL Dulles: "He (Jefferson) was not an orthodox Christian---NurseRobert

Again, the Cardinal doesn't have a direct quote from Jefferson saying he is a Deist.

He is saying he isn't a 'Orthodox' Christian in the sense we are today.

Because we do know there are Orthodox Christians. Cluny and Ruben.

As I said, you can NOT be true a Deist and believe in Divine Providence.

Besides, Cardinal Dulles isn't infallible. Even the Pope is ONLY infallible when it comes to Faith and Morals.

Jefferson's religious belief doesn't come under that rule.

In order words, Cardinal Dulles can be wrong.

If Jefferson says he is Christian, only God Jesus can say he isn't. Not you, Kathr or I.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/21/17


Ironic how you have YOUR TITLE in front of your name.

only because its the first think I though of when I made this account.

Do you drop the doctor's titles when you speak to them.

Yes, I do. I'm on first name basis with every doctor I work with or see.

Do you think secular people should be addressed by titles, but not religious people?

I think everyone should be addressed by their first name.

Go to court and TRY to address the judge by his first name or even his last name without his title?

Depends on how he addresses me.


Wine is better. I don't like beer.

You and my wife would get along well.
---NurseRobert on 9/21/17


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SORRY NurseRobert

Yes you are right. I forgot you quoting him.

//Little nitpicking there, Nicole? How bout I just call him Avery??//

Sure Robert. Ironic how you have YOUR TITLE in front of your name. Do you think your parents NAMED you Nurse and your sir name is Robert???

Do you drop the doctor's titles when you speak to them. I KNOW YOU DON'T!

Do you think secular people should be addressed by titles, but not religious people? If yes, please say why?

Go to court and TRY to address the judge by his first name or even his last name without his title?

//We could sit down and have a beer together--NurseRobert

Wine is better. I don't like beer.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/21/17


---Nicole_Lacey on 9/20/17

Little nitpicking there, Nicole? How bout I just call him Avery?? We could sit down and have a beer together..

You left out that He said Jefferson said he is a Christian.

Actually, I posted Jefferson's own words..

April 21, 1803 "I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be, sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others, ascribing to himself every human excellence, & believing he never claimed any other."

Again to quote CARDINAL Dulles: "He (Jefferson) was not an orthodox Christian because he rejected, among other things, the doctrines that Jesus was the promised Messiah and the incarnate Son of God."
---NurseRobert on 9/21/17


NurseRobert, he isn't called Avery Dulles a Catholic Theologian he is called Cardinal Avery Dulles.

You put his title first and the uses of 'a Catholic Theologian' is used for non Clergy.

All Ordained Catholics are Catholic Theologian as the main purpose of their ordination.

That's like saying Francis is a Catholic Theologian. Leaving out the word Pope.

Just say Pope Francis and everyone knows he is a Theologian and a Catholic.

You left out that He said Jefferson said he is a Christian.

He even states how Jefferson publicly inserted Christian values.

As the whole topic started that our Country was founded on Judeo-Christian Values
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/20/17


//If God has called you to be a dr or nurse, that would be your vocation.//

That's for Protestants, not Catholics. A Vocation isn't a career.

Matthew was a Tax Collector when he was CALLED. Peter, James and John were Fisher men. That's why Jesus said I will make you Fishers of Men.

KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

//all Christians should pray and serve the Lord every moment of every day//

Obviously you don't. One praying as you suggest doesn't spew the words that comes out of your mouth.

//BOOOO to any church who stands in the way of GODS CALLING, whether prayer or Nurses.---kathr4453

Exhibit 123
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/20/17


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//your own words invite being reprimanded.//

No it doesn't, those were YOUR words not mine. Your reading comprehension needs reprimanded. StrongAxe restating exactly what I posted.

//calling me a Strongaxion//

Now you know how Thomas Jefferson's and everyone else who claimed their Christians but you say they're not. It doesn't feel good does it?

//Strongaxe and I were not Christians//

I don't think I said that about StrongAxe, if I did: SORRY STRONGAXE

//All because I said I agreed with Strongaxe's comment.//

Nope, to prove a point

//Funny you have so much time BLOGGING and nursing---Kathr

It isn't any of your business but right now I'm on medical leave.

Is that okay with you?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/20/17


If God has called you to be a dr or nurse, that would be your vocation. Yes it also means job or career, however if you feel it is God calling you to this path then this is your vocation.

But all Christians should pray and serve the Lord every moment of every day.....and it's not called a vocation , but your REASONALBE SERVICE THAT WE ARE ALL CALLED TO.

So just prayer and helping the poor (without being a nurse ) AKA Nicole's definition of "vocation" .....no one can DENY ANYONE THAT RIGHT. We answer to the Lord ALONE. And the Lord will NEVER put you OUT from your vocation= Gods Calling.

BOOOO to any church who stands in the way of GODS CALLING, whether prayer or Nurses.
---kathr4453 on 9/20/17


Ms Nicole, your own words invite being reprimanded. You follow the TRUMP name calling, by calling me a Strongaxion ....and then stated Strongaxe and I were not Christians Clearly out of NASTINESS.. All because I said I agreed with Strongaxe's comment. Nothing more. That is what is called ( as TRUMP himself is....a thin skinned narcissis .....). People WILL not agree with you Nicole, and YOU need to get over that ...without horrible name calling. So if I happened to ask you to watch your mouth...which you translated into SHUT UP...then so be it.

Funny you have so much time BLOGGING and nursing...without a problem. But couldn't find time for prayer and nursing????

I still say you are not telling the whole story.
---kathr4453 on 9/20/17


//..putting you OUT was wrong, since you were a nurse before AND AFTER you entered//

That's the WHOLE POINT! I didn't enter the Religious life to fulfill my nursing career.

RELIGIOUS LIFE IS A VOCATION not a job!

The Community used my talent for Jesus' benefit.

If I can't keep up with the hard demands of the Community's Prayer Life and Work due to illness it is God's Will.

No one tells God want to do!

//Reverand Mother " Sweety" and then tell her there's nothing wrong with addressing someone---kathr4453

No because she NEVER was NASTY to me as you have been. Even if she did I respected her OFFICE.
I TRIED to respect your age, but you don't even respect your own age. RESPECT YOURSELF
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/20/17


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Thank you NurseRobert. I don't know why many today rewrite history to brainwash their sheep.....OH yes I do, because people TODAY will believe and eat anything THEIR guru's feed them, even lies. It has LONG been known by even Chriatian Churches that Jefferson was not a Chriatian and many had even BLAMED him because they say it went south after his presidency, leaning away from Chriatianity. NOW, just like people wanted to sanitize and lionize Arafat ( the FIRST TERRORIST MURDERER) and folks ate that lie up, we now see the same, for the purpose of political gain by the Moral Majority .....who even sees Mormons as Christians.... OH PLEASE ! Morality is NOT Chriatianity. And Jesus is not an angel. And God does not reside on the planet KOLOB.
---kathr4453 on 9/20/17


Is DACA legal? NO! Just like everything else the faux president B.O. did, it's illegal.



---Jerry6593 on 9/20/17


At the end of the day, it's going to come down to what Congress votes on.
---John on 9/19/17


Avery Dulles, a leading Catholic theologian, wrote extensively about Jefferson's beliefs. Dulles concludes:

In summary, then, Jefferson was a deist because he believed in one God, in divine providence, in the divine moral law, and in rewards and punishments after death, but did not believe in supernatural revelation. He was a Christian deist because he saw Christianity as the highest expression of natural religion and Jesus as an incomparably great moral teacher. He was not an orthodox Christian because he rejected, among other things, the doctrines that Jesus was the promised Messiah and the incarnate Son of God."
---NurseRobert on 9/19/17


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Deal with it.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/17

April 21, 1803 "I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be, sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others, ascribing to himself every human excellence, & believing he never claimed any other."

June 25, 1819,"I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know."

1813 May 31. "the subject of religion, a subject on which I have ever been most scrupulously reserved. I have considered it as a matter between every man and his maker, in which no other, & far less the public, had a right to intermeddle."
---NurseRobert on 9/19/17


Nicole ...bla bla Bla. Just smart Alic reply's back as always.

It's a CALLING FROM GOD.

No one needs to compare anyone's life here Nicole. The Life God blessed me with I would never trade with anyone or for anything. I was actually DEFENDING YOU. I think putting you OUT was wrong, since you were a nurse before AND AFTER you entered, seeing whatever condition you had/have did not affect your civilian life's ability to work as a nurse.

Was it really your "mouthyness" got you put out? Did you call the Reverand Mother " Sweety" and then tell her there's nothing wrong with addressing someone that way defending yourself with smart bla bla bla remarks? People don't change.
---kathr4453 on 9/19/17


//Companies get sued for putting someone OUT because of health reasons.//

It's a Religious Community NOT a Company. They can DECIDE who enters, stays or leaves before final vows. They are NOT subject to quotas.

//you became a nurse.//

I was a nurse 3 yrs BEFORE I entered the community.

Religious orders are NOT career/job. It's a VOCATION. Know the difference.

//So exactly what was your job (not calling) in the Church you could not preform--Kathr

Not a job and a calling with my temporary vow RECEIVED by the Bishop (Church)

PRAYER my MAIN RESPONSIBILITY, serving Jesus' sick poor for FREE for 6 YRS.

Kathr, I know you are NOT trying to compare our life styles.

YOU MIGHT GET EMBARRASSED!
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/18/17


Actually Nicole, Companies get sued for putting someone OUT because of health reasons. If someone lied on their app for military..then yes. HOWEVER :
Quote:
A medical discharge from the US Military is a serious event. It is usually only granted ( that is requested first by the person) when it is clear that the service member cannot continue in their current military role. The illness or injury that would reach this level would have such adverse effects upon a normal person's life, that they would have trouble working in civilian jobs....unquote.

But that is not your case....you became a nurse. So exactly what was your job ( not calling) in the Church you could not preform......personally carrying rocks to build more churches????
---kathr4453 on 9/18/17


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Does the Catholic Church discriminate against people with health issues? I always thought of those positions as being called of God, not man applying for a job in the workplace. So, I have a friend who is still working ...not old enough to retire, who has cancer. The company involved has done everything possible ...shorter hours, work from home, pay higher premiums for insurance( chemo now going on year 2) and would not even think of putting this person OUT. And it's not even a Christian owned or run company. And NO, they don't even try dirty tricks here or there to get this person to quit...like some companies do.

This gives me a even more dim look at the Catholic Church for putting servants OUT who have health issues.
---kathr4453 on 9/18/17


//Why did you say your DR WENT BEHIND YOUR BACK ?//

No, I didn't. It was a sealed letter given to me for my Superior.

//Proper procedures are not described as GOING BEHIND SOMEONES BACK.//

What's with all these questions? The doctor thought she could convince my Superior for more days off.

//if it got you put OUT, you were not HONEST with anyone,---kathr

As I said you are so disingenuous. Many people get 'put out' due to health reasons. Such as the Military. They get an honorable discharge which is different from dishonorable discharge.

ILLNESS ISN'T A CRIME, KATHR.

What kind of Christian are you?

Luke is right about you.

BTW, I thought you said 'bye' to me already. KEEP YOUR WORD.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/18/17


I wasn't honest with myself REFUSING to leave the convent. My Doctor went behind my back and got me put out because I REFUSED to listen to her.

---Nicole_Lacey on 9/18/17

Nicole, now you've given a DIFFERENT answer. Why did you say your DR WENT BEHIND YOUR BACK ? Doing what is normal is not described as GOING BEHIND ONES BACK....which shows something other than NORMAL procedure. I really think the way YOU state things is a HUGE problem, causing arguments and strife. If someone said so and so WENT BEHIND THEIR BACK?..that's BAD. Proper procedures are not described as GOING BEHIND SOMEONES BACK.

And if it got you put OUT, you were not HONEST with anyone, not just yourself..so much so that your Dr WENT BEHIND YOUR BACK.
---kathr4453 on 9/18/17


StrongAxe: Multiple posts are prohibited here

Not for Kathr. She takes advantage of CN's consideration of her age and posts 3 at a times often. Using up 375 words and preventing others to posts.

//you have a medical issue that disqualifies you from being a Nun, but not a nurse?--Kathr

There isn't any medical issue that disqualifies a person from being a nun. Only moral standards.

My community had us working 70 hours a week just in the nursing part. (Covent cleaning duties not included)

My doctor demanded more days off for me, or she is releasing herself of any responsibility legally if my family makes a claim against her not the convent.

As I said earlier, you are too interested in my convent years.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/18/17


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//That's actually illegal isn't it for a Dr to violate Dr Patient confidentiality?//

You are very ignorant with the little knowledge you hold in all matters. Have you ever heard of medical info. release? Do you really think my doctor pick up the phone and called my Superior? NO, she handed me the letter of her medical recommendation, and I handed the letter to my Superior.

//coming up with mouthy replies so much so that your Dr HAD to go behind your back//

My my my, not only are you capable of knowing the person sitting in the Pew next to you at church is Christian or not, now you KNOW WHAT were my doctor's recommendations.

//No desire to be a Nun--Kathr

Sounds like you're not being honest with yourself.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/18/17


I see that Kathr is still causing trouble. It just doesn't stop because she needs a change of heart. The Holy Spirit has to do that work and it hasn't happen yet, and never will. Until it does she won't change. She cannot change her own heart.
---Luke on 9/18/17


Ok so you have shown you do refuse to listen to others, where they have to go behind your back. That's actually illegal isn't it for a Dr to violate Dr Patient confidentiality?

Were you also mouthy with them too...refusing to listen, and coming up with mouthy replies so much so that your Dr HAD to go behind your back?

So somehow you have a medical issue that disqualifies you from being a Nun, but not a nurse?

No desire to be a Nun Nicole. It goes against everything I believe in. I believe in marriage and the command to procreate.
---kathr4453 on 9/18/17


NIcole....So here is a vocabulary lesson. What you did, refusing to listen and LYING about your health,so much so that your DR had to risk his/ her career in exposing you because YOU were being disingenuous with those in the Catholic Church .... And maybe just maybe if you haven't been DISINGENUOUS with the Church in the first place you would still be a Nun. Your LYING caused your removal.

That's the real and ONLY way to use the word Nicole. You admited you were not honest and admitted you would not listen.

However, accusing others WITHOUT PROOF OF THEIR HEART, is again something a mouthy bar hag would do. And THAT alone is where I have a serious problem with you.
---kathr445 on 9/18/17


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//stop being so mouthy and unchristlike in your replies,...you know...that foul mouth bar hag routine you put on here.....it really needs to be brought into check.//

RICH COMING FROM YOU!

STRONGAXE, are you reading her posts. And you CAN'T see HATEFUL posts HAZ27, aservant and I been talking about?

BTW, where is HAZ27?

//Maybe that is why the NUNNERY dumped you.....possibly...if your really honest with yourself. ---kathr

I wasn't honest with myself REFUSING to leave the convent. My Doctor went behind my back and got me put out because I REFUSED to listen to her.

Now you need to be honest with yourself. You dreamed of being a Nun as a child, and you are JEALOUS that I had the opportunity you didn't.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/18/17


//so many today...(although they fill the pews of churches) ARE NOT CHRISTIAN.---kathr4453

My, my, my, there are many Christians who refuse to going to Church.
But at YOUR Church you have NON CHRISTIANS filling your pews?

What or Who is being preached at your Church?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/17/17


So here is what is called a mouthy bar hag reply from Nicole.

So by your deduction, ALL AT YOUR CHURCH are Chriatian???. Why? Because they were Baptized Catholic? So, was Jefferson baptized Catholic? OR in fact Nicole, if Jefferson lived in Europe during the Inquisitions, he would in fact be put to death by the RCC as a heretic.

So now you want to include Protestants as Christians ? When did that happen?
---kathr4453 on 9/18/17


Nicole, both Strongaxe and I have. The problem is, you can't comprehend what others show you. I just posted on the correct blog AGAIN this very issue and answer.

If you would stop and listen and pray and even research for yourself...and stop being so mouthy and unchristlike in your replies, ...you know ...that foul mouth bar hag routine you put on here.....it really needs to be brought into check Nicole.

Can't you debate without all your nasty mouthy reply's????? Maybe that is why the NUNNERY dumped you.....possibly...if your really honest with yourself.
---kathr4453 on 9/18/17


//YOU can't comprehend what YOU read, as you are posting on the wrong blog.//

Because not everyone can post back to back like you. So I had to go to another blog.

//let me reiterate...anyone who denies the Virgin Birth AND DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST as did Thomas Jefferson//

Let me reiterate, Jefferson NEVER DENIED the Virgin Birth and he didn't even mention the death or resurrection of Jesus. Cite him denying them.

//so many today...(although they fill the pews of churches) ARE NOT CHRISTIAN.---kathr4453

My, my, my, there are many Christians who refuse to going to Church.
But at YOUR Church you have NON CHRISTIANS filling your pews?

What or Who is being preached at your Church?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/17/17


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Nicole, obviously YOU can't comprehend what YOU read, as you are posting on the wrong blog. But we know you will ALSO find a reason why you have every right to do that, and will continue to do that..JUST BECAUSE YOU ASKED THE BLOG QUESTION.

Anyone...let me reiterate...anyone who denies the Virgin Birth AND DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST as did Thomas Jefferson and so many today...(although they fill the pews of churches) ARE NOT CHRISTIAN.

Deal with it.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/17


Kathr, the FACT is that you can't comprehend what you read and you DARE to base a declaration from your own false comprehension

//and arguing over a word " myth vs Fable"//

Who said 'myth'? Jefferson used the word FABLE not me.

As Jefferson declares himself to be Christian. Your Faith is StrongAxian!

//And NO CHRISTIAN would even utter those words Jefferson wrote//

THAT'S JEFFERSON'S POINT!!!!!!! He disavows Calvin. There is something wrong with you.

//Jeffersons OWN words SPEAK FOR Jefferson. YOU DO NOT. GOT THAT?---kathr

NEITHER DO YOU! GOT THAT, StrongAxian?

I am still waiting for your so called CITATION of Jefferson stating he isn't a Christian.

FIND IT OR DROP IT!
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/17/17


Kathr, just like StrongAxe, you did't understand what you read. Read it again.
"...will be CLASSED with the FABLE of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. (meaning Minerva in the brain of Jupiter if a false story)

Fable means - a short story, typically with animals as characters, conveying a moral.

Jefferson is ripping on Calvin which I know you knew that because you PURPOSELY LEFT OUT his NEXT SENTENCE. SHAME ON YOU!

He next said "So much for your quotation of Calvin's 'mon dieu! jusqu'a quand in which, when addressed to the God of Jesus and our God,..

//Many of our founding fathers, even Adams were Unitarian Universalists...AKA DEISTS.//

And you are a StrongAxian, not a Christian.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/17/17


As you said SCOTUS has all jurisdiction not just Federal. But you are wrong about the Florida recount. Note it isn't remembered as the Federal recount.

SCOTUS only got involved because they were asked by the Bush team to stop the recounting.

Florida Supreme Court BLOCKED that Secretary of State from giving Florida's specific electoral votes to Bush.

It was a State's issue of it's voting machines only.

Implication of SCOTUS ruling was telling the Florida Supreme Court they couldn't reject their Lady Secretary of State pronouncement of winner of their electoral votes thus making Bush President.

It was a State issue within a Federal Election.

All State Supreme Court's rulings CAN go to SCOTUS
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/15/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

In theory yes. However, the Supreme Court has a much larger case load than they can possibly manage, so they only agree to see a very small percentage of appeals directed to them. This is why, in practice, they never even consider any appelate cases until all lower avenues of appeal have already been exhausted, and most lawyers are astute enough to not even attempt to send lower cases to them, knowing they will be rejected without a glance.

Note that the 2000 election was a FEDERAL election, so SCOTUS did have jurisdiction.
---StrongAxe on 9/15/17


2000 recount election was taken to the Florida Supreme Court by Lieberman to stop Florida's Secretary of State from giving Florida's electoral votes to Bush. Florida Supreme Court started the recount.

James Baker took the case to SCOTUS to OVERTURN Florida Supreme Court's ruling.

BTW, SCOTUS can take any case from any court at any stage. It doesn't have be a Federal Case, nor does it have to go to the Appellate courts first.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/15/17


Mark_Eaton:

The Supreme Court has original jurisdiction in cases involving federal law. It also has appellate jurisdiction in cases involving state law that have already been appealed all the way to state Supreme Courts, if there are questions of federal law (e.g. if there is a question about whether state laws are constitutional with respect to the federal constitution).
---StrongAxe on 9/11/17


SCOTUS can hear ANY case from ANY jurisdiction that has been appealed all the way up the chain, not only federal cases.
---StrongAxe on 9/9/17

Wrong.

SCOTUS is a federal court. It cannot hear cases from state courts unless these cases involve federal law or federal rights being infringed.

States have their own Supreme Courts to hear appellate cases that do not involve federal laws.

Many cases involve both State and Federal law which complicates jurisdiction.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/11/17


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Thank you for your responses.
---Josef on 9/10/17


//Why did Trump have to do anything?---Josef

Since SCOTUS ruling was tied it meant it stayed the 5th Circuit Court ruling stuck down DACA in 2016.

After hearing Obama saying the didn't care about the ruling and that DACA is here to stay.

26 States started to sue the Elective Branch Obama.
But when Trump won he promised to remove DACA day one. But he didn't. So last week the 26 States told DOJ that were filling suit now against Trump since Obama is out of the office.

Trump asked the states if they could wait 6 month for Congress to act before filing the lawsuit.
This was a kind, brave, and a start move of Trump.
Now the 26 States still can sue if they don't want to wait.

Because TRUMP ISN'T KING EITHER
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/10/17


Josef:

Because Trump is obsessed with erasing every single thing Obama did, regardless of whether it was reasonable or not. He's like the ancient pharoahs erasing names of their enemies off all obelisks in an attempt to erase them from history.


Nicole_Lacey:

No, I can't make up laws as I please. I apologize for misreading the law article, SCOTUS left a lower decision in place, but I misread that decision's outcome.

As long as we understand both sides must play by the same rules. Sadly, Trump has often shown unwillingness to do so. On several occasions, he has complained that the constitution is unfair and outdated, hampering him from doing what he wants. It prevents presidents from being kings and dictators.
---StrongAxe on 9/10/17


Josef: To become a law, a bill must be approved (voted upon) by both the House and Senate, and then signed into law by the President. DACA was "invented" by the President (Obama) only, and thus (according to our Constitution) is not Law. We have immigration laws in place already, and they should be enforced, even if it means jail time for the law breakers.


---Jerry6593 on 9/10/17


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I don't know exactly how a bill becomes law, never really interested in civics. However the young people of Milan and other young people with similar stories remaining in the U.S. temporarily, as long as they meet age, education and residency requirements, seems like a harmless concept. Why would anyone have a problem with it? Why did Trump have to do anything?
---Josef on 9/9/17


StrongAxe, do you think you can make up laws as you please? This Country has laws whether you like it or not.

I already told you because of the SCOTUS tie the lower RULING from the 5th Circuit court ON DACA STANDS.

The 5th Circuit Court STUCK DOWN DACA!

As Jerry said as well the POTUS CAN'T MAKE LAWS.
Obama isn't KING!

***The Court announced Thursday that it was unable to reach a decision in the case United States v. Texas. That MEANS THE RULING of the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals stands which had kept the programs (known as DAPA and DACA+) from going into effect.-- Vox

DACA is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

26 States can STILL fill suit against TRUMP for keeping DACA for 6 months. TRUMP ISN'T KING EITHER
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/9/17


Mark_Eaton:

DACA was brought before the Supreme Court, who were divided 4/4 over it. Because of this, it stands (i.e. it is deemed constitutional) until such time as it is brought before the Supreme Court again, and the Supreme Court decides to overturn it. So, at least for the time being, it is NOT unconstitutional.

SCOTUS can hear ANY case from ANY jurisdiction that has been appealed all the way up the chain, not only federal cases. It cannot rule on hypothetical cases, but it does frequently make rulings on whether laws are constitution once those laws have been applied to actual cases, and the rulings in those cases have been appealed.
---StrongAxe on 9/9/17


Cluny: "The problem with DACA and other things from the previous administration is that nothing in the Constitution allows the President to rule by decree, bypassing Congress."

Amen! Obama thought he was a Dictator, and that all he needed was a pen and a phone. And because the main-stream media had his back, he got away with it. His was a completely LAWLESS administration.



---Jerry6593 on 9/9/17


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Thus sadly DACA is UNCONSTITIONAL.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/8/17

This is the traditional understanding.

The DACA ruling is from a case of private citizens suing the Executive Branch (at the time) saying that the DACA EO or DACA Executive directive violated existing federal law.

SCOTUS can only hear a case if federal law is involved, or citizens rights under the constitution are infringed. And SCOTUS does not rule on whether a law is constitutional or not.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/8/17


StrongAxe here are a FEW of Kathr's personal attacks, not debates:

***Are you REALLY a nurse Nicole?---kathr4453 9/6/17

It's impossible to have an intelligent conversation with folks..That argument is horse manure.---kathr4453 8/23/17

when you blatantly lie here.--kathr4453 8/29/17

to be so arrogant..except in your twisted imagination..Give names Nicole, or else shut up...enough of your spinning lies here. The hate from your heart is beyond words.---kathr4453 9/1/17

Yes it may be true that Nicole's FREE GOVERNMENT education WAS in fact a total waste of Government programs...Yes her education was a TOTAL WASTE of our tax dollar educating people..I want my money back. ---kathr4453 9/1/17

I left out a LOT!
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/8/17


//The Supreme Court has already declined to rule against it, so it's not illegal until someone actually challenges it to the Supreme Court again (which nobody has yet done) and obtains a favorable ruling from them---StrongAxe

Sorry, but you are mistaken.

The 5th circuit court DID STRIKE it down.

The Supreme Court DID hear the case but it was a 4/4 tie because only 8 Justice at the time - June 23, 2016.

***The Court announced Thursday that it was unable to reach a decision in the case United States v. Texas. That MEANS THE RULING of the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals stands which had kept the programs (known as DAPA and DACA+) from going into effect.-- Vox

Thus sadly DACA is UNCONSTITIONAL.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/8/17


The Supreme Court has already declined to rule against it, so it's not illegal until someone actually challenges it to the Supreme Court again
---StrongAxe on 9/7/17

This attitude shows why our government is struggling.

We have a federal government of three EQUAL branches. SCOTUS is not supreme over the POTUS who is not supreme over the Congress. Only Congress can pass bills into law. DACA is not a law, Congress did not pass the Dreamers bill into law. DACA is either an Executive Order or a directive from the Executive Branch.

Therefore, any EO or directive from the Executive Branch can be changed or rescinded by the Executive Branch. SCOTUS has no part in the discussion, because they only rule on LAWS.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/8/17


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Nicole, I just stated a fact that Bannon in his Alt Right News paper stated.....the one who was an advisor the Pres Trump. I DID NOT SAY THAT. I simply asked YOU what YOU thought of YOUR BUDDY who is also a Catholic stated.

Please learn to read....answer the questions asked of you, and stop deflecting or answering questions with more questions.
---kathr4453 on 9/8/17


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: If DACA isn't legal...

This falsely presumes that DACA isn't legal. It is like the fallacious and leading question, "Have you stopped beating your wife?".

The Supreme Court has already declined to rule against it, so it's not illegal until someone actually challenges it to the Supreme Court again (which nobody has yet done) and obtains a favorable ruling from them.
---StrongAxe on 9/7/17


Kathr, you ask the craziest questions. What positions in the Catholic Church does DACA fill? Following your logical, Democrats is using DACA for votes.

//If you say LYING, then how many other things has he LIED about?//

None. He said the Bishops supports DACA as they claim. His reason as an opinion is wrong. They support it because they don't PLAY politics with lives like Democrats.

Soooooo, again with your logic since you claim one lie equals all lies, one truth equals all truths. So you BELIEVE Bannon is always telling the truth.

//is the Catholic Church LEFTEST NIcole.---kathr

Caring for the Illegal Children isn't a Democrat thing. Democrat PRETENDS to care but are all TALK. Catholic Bishops are all ACTION.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/7/17


Wasn't there a Republican majority in Congress, who could have challenged President Obama's DACA right when he started it? If it was un-Constitutional, why didn't they stop it, then?

May be Republicans have business interests which have depended on illegals. If only legal Americans work, wages will be higher and costs will go up, for a thing or two.

We might be paying twice as much for food. Children will be accounted for, and will be payed for, for school. And now it seems people already can't afford to keep schools going right.

So, what's the plan for this, if anything?
---Bill on 9/8/17


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Ok Nicole, so why is Bannon..A CATHOLIC, accusing the Catholic Church of supporting DACA, because it needs these illegals to fill Catholic Church positions, etc.

Is Far Right Steve Bannon telling the truth or is he LYING NIcole. If you say LYING, then how many other things has he LIED about that you repeat here?

Or is the Catholic Church LEFTEST NIcole. Please answer the question.
---kathr4453 on 9/7/17


I am sympathetic to the dreamers. There should be an easy way of regularizing residency in the US for those brought here as children.

HOWEVER:

A friend of mine who teaches ESL at a high school told me they are being flooeded this year by students who claim to have lived in the USA for several years and gone to AZ schools, but they do NOT speak a word of English and dthere is no record of their having attended AZ schools. When asked about their elementary, middle, or jr high, they simply say, Yo no se"

They also complain about not being given the USA Civics test in Spanish.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/7/17


//The lawsuits are over Trump seeking to REVOKE DACA.//

Yes, but now 15 crazy States and cites (Democrats) has lawsuits because of Trump's AG statement on Tuesday.

//The problem with DACA and other things from the previous administration is that nothing in the Constitution allows the President to rule by decree, bypassing Congress.---Cluny

AMEN!

As Greg Gutfeld said yesterday:

"DACA is like Obama starting the fire and now heckling the Firefighter (Trump) for putting out the fire."

Now we have idiots protesting claiming the United States CAN'T deport them.

DACA was very cruel joke Obama put on 800,000+ people.

Obama and the parents should be ashamed of themselves.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/7/17


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