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2 Corinthians 3. And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances, for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace,

2 Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
---kathr4453 on 10/7/17


Let's put into perspective the subject of "abolished.". IN CHRIST define the meaning. The Law was fulfilled IN CHRIST. IN CHRIST means His death and resurrection. As we see death was also abolished IN CHRIST.

Just as the flesh is temporary, so too is the law that applies to the flesh alone. 2 Corinthians 3 will explain. The LAW points to SIN in our flesh. And SIN = death. No way around it...UNLESS your faith is in Jesus Christ who died for you IN YOUR PLACE for your sin, so that you can now LIVE eternally THROUGH HIM.

The Law cannot put your Born Again NEW LIFE IN CHRIST to death. Therefore those IN CHRIST are not under the law. The restrictions of the law were DONE AWAY IN CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 10/7/17


Referencing Matthew, keep in mind that many thought Jesus was coming to set up His Kingdom reign ALSO PROMISED IN THE OT. And with that would be KINGDOM LAW, which would also have abolished the Law of Moses...now that Jesus would be here to reign and rule. In John 6, Jesus confronted those very followers who believed that, and when Jesus said Eat my flesh and drink my blood, they walked away.....Jesus was pointing to His death and resurrection....not the earthly Kingdom.

If that happened, and Israel received and believed Jesus was their Messiah, there would be NO CROSS, and no FULFILLING of the LAW, and no ETERNAL LIFE or forgivness of sin ..(covering remember was temporary) . The Kingdom was only to be temporary as well.
---kathr453 on 10/7/17


The word "fulfill" in that verse simply means "to carryout". If you read the surrounding verses, you will see that is exactly what Jesus is saying. "Do not think I have come to abolish the law, but to carry it out... To practice it... To keep and obey the law". It does not mean to end or terminate. It means to do. The entire chapter surrounding that word is about Jesus stressing the importance of not only keeping and obeying the law, but going above and beyond what the law even requires.

Paraphrasing:. "If the law says go one mile then go two. If the law says give 2 then give 4. If the law says jump then jump twice as high".

That's the oposite of voiding the law.
---ObamasBoy on 10/7/17


Nicole, Jesus FULFILLED the law He didn't abolish it did He....He fulfilled it. There is no two part here. The law is done away "IN CHRIST" ..(IN CHRIST it was fulfilled,) Abolish and fulfill ARE OPPOSITES. NOR WAS THE LAW ABOLISHED in Christ. Learn the meaning of words Nicole. We are to study to show ourselves approved..and study means looking up words and meanings and other supporting scriptures.

Jesus was FORORDAINED to die for our sin. HE FULFILLED that covenant promise. He did not do away with it...or in other words HE DID NOT CHANGE HIS MIND, but became obedient unto death, even death of a Cross.

Stop feeling you need to correct others Nicole. We're grown adults who know what we believe and why.
---kathr4453 on 10/6/17




Kathr: What does fulfilling the law mean? First look up the definition of FULFILL.//

Keep up. The question asked of StrongAxe was what Matt 5:17 means?

Not half of the passage the whole passage.

You conveniently left out Jesus saying He did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill the Law.

It's a two-parter you got to include everything.

Jesus doesn't waste words. He chooses His words and means every single word He says.

//It does not mean Jesus fulfilled the Law by keeping the law.//

Well I guess you don't know what Matt 5:17 means either.

//or that WE become Jews or Israel when we believe Jesus died and rose again for our sin.---kathr4453

Who's talking about becoming Jews?
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/6/17


Nicole_Lacey:

I told several times you what *I* think it means, and that is the question you asked me. If that answer doesn't satisfy you, I'm sorry, but I don't know what more I can say that could possibly satisfy you.

You STILL avoid the issue of which other of the 613 commandments we are exempt from, since it's clear that even most observant Catholics in the world don't keep most of them, and feel no need to do so.
---StrongAxe on 10/6/17


What does fulfilling the law mean? First look up the definition of FULFILL. When Jesus died and rose again for the forgivness of sin, shedding His blood....THE LAW WAS FULFILLED. The law of shedding the blood of bulls and goats was TEMPORARY. IT FULFILLED NOTHING, except that those who believed by faith looked forward to the cross. But clearly the blood of Bulls and goats could not TAKE AWAY SIN...only temporarily cover sin....for one year.

John the Baptist understood...BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD WHICH TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD. the blood of Bulls and goats DID NOT.

It does not mean Jesus fulfilled the Law by keeping the law..or that WE become Jews or Israel when we believe Jesus died and rose again for our sin.
---kathr4453 on 10/6/17


StrongAxe, I already told you several times my interpretation - that Jesus did not abolish the Law, but that that Law applies to Jews and not Christians. What more do you want?//

For you not to be so disingenuous.

When Jesus spoke those words there were NO Christians there were only Jews.

I will try one LAST time if you don't answer I'm moving on because we both know you don't know.

What does Matthew 5:17 mean since there were no Christians only Jews? So TRY it again.

//but when I asked about specific ones (e.g. pork, separation of women, etc.)//

At least I answered them whether you agree with it or not.

I gave you answers.

You are not confused you're being disingenuous as I said earlier.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/6/17


Nicole_Lacey:

I already told you several times my interpretation - that Jesus did not abolish the Law, but that that Law applies to Jews and not Christians. What more do you want?

Yes, you had said that we must obey ALL of the 613 laws - but when I asked about specific ones (e.g. pork, separation of women, etc.) you say we don't have to obey those - so if we're exempted from those two even though we are required to keep them, which other ones are we also exempted from even though we are still required to keep them? Can you understand my confusion about what you believe?
---StrongAxe on 10/6/17




//You wrote:Explain your position on Matthew 5:17

I did, in my previous message.--StrongAxe

You repeating the words of Jesus in the Gospel ISN'T intrepreting the passage.

That's like me asking you to define capitalism and you tell me 'it's capitalism'.

How is repeating the word DEFINING the word?

You are not dumb, so stop playing games.

DEFINE NOT REPEAT Matthew 5:17

After you DEFINE the passage I will answer more of your questions.

Remember saying you don't know is still an answer.

Scroll down and you will see I also already answered your question about "which of the 613 laws are we required to obey".
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/6/17


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Explain your position on Matthew 5:17

I did, in my previous message. I still don't understand yours. I ask yet again, which of the 613 laws are we required to obey, and if not all, why not?

Jesus is a Jew.

Yes, but WE are not, so WE are not under the covenant of Moses, and under its laws.

But we are BROUGHT into the Jewish FOLD.

Yes, but through a NEW covenant and NOT under the covenant of Moses, so NOT subject to its laws and requirements.
---StrongAxe on 10/6/17


Thank you

StrongAxe: Matthew 5:17: Yes, Jesus came not to destroy the Law, but to fulfil it. I got that. So what am I supposed to answer about it?//

Explain why Jesus claiming His fulfilled the Law and how that affects us?

The word isn't destroy, but abolish. A difference.

Destroy means to make something unrecognizable. Abolish means to make it disappear.

Jesus said He wasn't getting rid of the Law. He Himself 'followed the Law perfectly and completed the Law for us to live by His completion within the Law.

Explain your position on Matthew 5:17

//The Law was given to the Jews.//

Jesus is a Jew.

//WE Christians are not Jews.//

But we are BROUGHT into the Jewish FOLD.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/5/17


Matthew 5:17:

Yes, Jesus came not to destroy the Law, but to fulfil it. I got that. So what am I supposed to answer about it? The Law was given to the Jews. WE Christians are not Jews. It is a covenant that doesn't apply to us. You seem to believe that it DOES apply to us and we ARE required to obey all 613 laws. Yet you keep finding excuses for not obeying this one, and that one, and another one. Where does it end? EXACTLY which of those 613 laws are we required to obey, and which ones are we free to ignore?

I have answered (yet again). Now please show which supposed OT law John 4:27 speaks about.
---StrongAxe on 10/5/17


StrongAxe: You wrote: Yes, I gave it to you earlier. John 4:27

Read it again. Slowly. But I am not going to answer anymore on this topic until you answer about Matthew 5:17.

Saying "I don't know" is still an answer.

BTW, I have some great answers for other 3 questions you just asked about yesterday. But I can let them go for the sake of fairness.

It isn't polite to ignore a question.

If you don't choose to answer it is okay. I will debate you with other blog topics.

I know you are trapped with Matthew 5:17 and you know it as well.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/5/17


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Yes, I gave it to you earlier. John 4:27

That the apostles were surprised by his actions in the new testament may indicate a custom, but in no way indicates a prohibition against it in the old testament. Unless you can cite something in the old testament that forbids it?

Matthew 9:20-22 and Mark 5:25-34

Those speaks of Jesus healing a DISEASE, not monthly bleeding addressed in Leviticus 15:19-33.

St. John Paul II wrote Dies Domini (The Lord's Day) May 31, 1998

So Jesus said the whole law applies, yet the Pope says some laws don't. Is the Pope above Jesus?
---StrongAxe on 10/4/17


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StrongAxe, I FELL FOR YOUR TRICK AGAIN!

I answered more of your questions without you answering my SINGLE question asked of you.

Tell me what Matthew 5:17 means to you?

If you don't know, be a man and say so!

Don't answer my question with a question.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/4/17


StrongAxe: Speaking to a woman alone...//

Yes, I gave it to you earlier. John 4:27

//Living with a woman during her time of the month?//

Matthew 9:20-22 and Mark 5:25-34

Plus, many things in the OT Laws were incorrect and the person sitting on Moses Chair Matthew 23 PETER today

//613 Old Testament laws do YOU obey? On the Sabbath,//

The ones PETER made changes. St. John Paul II wrote Dies Domini (The Lord's Day) May 31, 1998

Modern update on driving, using the phone (unless too much) and etc okay today. My Priest reminded us about the the computer as well. As you can see from CN I do use the computer on Sundays. We have confession. Ongoing process.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/4/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Because, even if you somehow win the pork point, the women question is more on point. Remember, this discussion isn't specifically about pork, but about whether OT law applies to us.

Speaking to a woman alone is forbidden in the Qur'an, not the Bible (or do you have chapter and verse?). Living with a woman during her time of the month WAS forbidden, but isn't now. why?

All the OT rules!

How many of the 613 Old Testament laws do YOU obey? On the Sabbath, do you cook or turn lights on or off, or drive, or use the phone, or any electrical appliance (including, heaven forbid, a computer)? If you do ANY of those things, you violate some of those laws. And these are just one small set.
---StrongAxe on 10/4/17


HELLO StrongAxe, I am still waiting for your interpretation of Matthew 5:17

//..forget pork.//

How can you dismiss a question I successfully answered?

//separating women?//

Jesus did change that one. Jesus spoke to a woman alone which is forbidden. John 4:27 Just then His Disciples returned and were surprised to find Him talking with a woman. But no one asked, ".. Why are you talking with her?"

Not mention speaking to Samaritans John 4:9

You do know that since Jesus is God who made the rules, He can change them as well?

//Which additional old testament rules are we required to obey?//

All the OT rules!

What part of the NOT abolishing the Law do you NOT understand????
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/3/17


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Do you know who the Antichrist is.?
No, and you don't either
---michael_e on 10/3/17


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Again: Matthew 5:17 Jesus is capable of changing the Law.

Wait. Jesus said he came to fulfil the law, NOT abolish it. But he DID abolish some of it? I'm confused.

And I ask yet again - forget pork. How about the question of separating women? That is an issue neither Jesus NOR Peter changed, so why don't Christians still practice it?

Right. New Christians were given only FOUR rules, so why do we ALSO have to obey OTHER rules that aren't listed as part of those four? Which additional old testament rules are we required to obey? Please be specific.
---StrongAxe on 10/2/17


StrongAxe, YES YOU CAN EAT PORK. I answered 3 times with Scriptures.

Again: Matthew 5:17 Jesus is capable of changing the Law.

MARK 7:18 DO YOU DISAGREE WITH JESUS?

Acts 10 and 11 Peter ALSO explains it's okay.

Acts 15:20-21 Are connected!
V21 For the LAW OF MOSES has been preached...
V28-29 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us NOT to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality you will DO WELL to avoid these things.

In other words, if the pork has no blood in it, not used in any type of sacrifice you can eat it.

Now please address Matthew 5:17
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/1/17


Nicole_Lacey:

I ask you again. Are we allowed to eat pork? Please just answer this question with a straight yes or no answer, rather than another question.

If we are, then we are not under the Law. If we are not, why do so many Christians do it? Yes, Peter had a vision about eating unclean animals, but is Peter allowed to overrule Jesus?

The same also applies to all the other commandments under the Law, like keeping women separate. Unlike pork, Peter didn't have a vision to change the rules on that one. Are we supposed to keep that one or not? I await your answer.
---StrongAxe on 10/1/17


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//You wrote: Because Jesus states He has Fulfilled the Law.

Please make up your mind. Are we, currently, under the Law, or are we not?--StrongAxe

Make up my mind? Or are you asking Jesus to make up His Mind?

I don't understand why you are so confused?

Maybe if you answer a question I might understand your questions better?

What you do think Jesus meant when He said He fulfilled the Law and not abolishing it? Matthew 5:17

Do you believe Jesus is speaking of another Law other than Moses' Law?

And are you saying Jesus can't override Moses in any matters pertaining to the Law?
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/1/17


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Because Jesus states He has Fulfilled the Law.

Please make up your mind. Are we, currently, under the Law, or are we not?

If we are, then why do we eat pork? If we are not, why is this whole discussion about the Sabbath important, since it does not apply to us?
---StrongAxe on 9/30/17


1Cor 11:27 is connected to Acts 20:7 on break bread proving it isn't about lunch as you claim.

//What does Matt 5:17 have to do with eating pork?//

Because Jesus states He has Fulfilled the Law.

//Mark 7:18-19 says what you eat doesn't defile you, but it's still illegal under Leviticus, which Jesus did not abolish.---StrongAxe

Law was given to Moses from God.
In Leviticus their leader was Moses. Jesus trumps Moses since He is God and has fulfilled the Law.

Jesus is Jewish. Since the Law isn't abolished, Jesus tells us which ones are elevated to God's Standards.

No more divorce.
We don't have to circumcises the baby boys, but Baptism both boys and girls.
No vengeance, forgive.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/30/17


Exzucuh:

To attempt the unprecedent action of redirecting this thread back to its original topic:

The term "The Antichrist" is a misnomer. John speaks of "antichrists" in general - i.e. those who deny Christ. Revelation speaks of "The Beast", who is definitely an antichrist, but who is conventionally known as "THE Antichrist".

As of now, the Beast has not yet been revealed. There are certain things he does that have not yet happened, and cannot yet happen without a lot of other things happening first (e.g. a unified world-wide commerce system that forces everyone everywhere to take a mark or be unable to buy or sell).
---StrongAxe on 9/30/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

I mentioned lunch. You took issue with that. Then, you 3 unrelated paragraphs about how "my church falling away" explains my thoughts (odd, since you have no idea what my church even IS), and John 6 (which I never mentioned), and about kicking out the priesthood (something the Bible never mentions, so how can I kick out something that doesn't exist?).

You interpreted Acts 20:7 as lunch. NOT a joke. 1 Cor 11:27 doesn't pertain to potluck meals.

I didn't bring up or take issue with 1 Cor 11:27.

What does Matt 5:17 have to do with eating pork? Mark 7:18-19 says what you eat doesn't defile you, but it's still illegal under Leviticus, which Jesus did not abolish.
---StrongAxe on 9/29/17


//Scripture mentions "breaking bread", not worship or communion.--StrongAxe

YES IT DOES. 1Cor 10:16-17 "Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf..."

Paul isn't talking about ONE LOAF for lunch for everyone.

//Why waste most of your message in a diatribe about what you think I believe>//

Because people READ these blogs. You interpreted Acts 20:7 as lunch. NOT a joke. 1 Cor 11:27 doesn't pertain to potluck meals.

//Why eat pork?--StrongAxe

We can Matt 5:17 and Mark 7:18-19
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/29/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Scripture mentions "breaking bread", not worship or communion. Today we talk about "going to church". Communion may be part of it, but not the main thing. We also have church potlucks. Why waste most of your message in a diatribe about what you think I believe>

If we Christian are under the Law, why do virtually all Christians ignore most of it? Why eat pork? Peter's vision wouldn't exempt us from something Christ demands. Why not circumcize? Why not put women in a separate place during their time of the month? Why not stone people who work on the Sabbath? It goes on and on. The Law was a covenant betwen God and the Jews. We are not Jews.
---StrongAxe on 9/29/17


StrongAxe, your interpretation of the Scriptures I gave you are sad and laughable.

Acts 20:7 Lunch? So is that what you think is going on when you all 'Break Bread on your communion Sundays? If your Church has communion.

Your Church falling away from the Catholic Church EXPLAINS your thoughts about Jesus' Body and Blood in John 6?

You make excuses for John 6 as well.

You kick out the Priesthood. Next you are clueless about 'Breaking Bread'.

Jesus ISN'T asking you out to lunch! He is giving His Body and Blood for the Breaking of Bread on Sundays.

When you said Christians were NOT under the Law is incorrect.

Jesus said He fulfilled the Law. Matt 5:17

As a Christian isn't Jesus your Head?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/29/17


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Amen Strong ax. You are correct. My oldest son came to me one day when he was in High School. He was reading a 19th century writer. Talking about Sabbath.

He asked me about that. I told him many writers at that time and earlier called Sunday Sabbath.

My Methodist Grandmother called Sunday Sabbath. By the way she was so happy to see me become a Christian. She said she didn't care which church. Just so I loved Jesus.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/29/17


ObamasBoy:

While I agree the Sabbath never changed to Sunday, most Christians believe it did. Sadly, many Christians have strong beliefs, without strong knowledge of scripture or church traditions, of the early church, or even their own denominations. Many think "God helps those who help themselves" is Biblical. Many hold strong opinions about, and happily pontificate on, subjects they know little to nothing about, they don't follow the example of the Bereans.

In my experience, most Christians refer to Sunday as the "The Christian Sabbath", and blue laws, i.e. laws prohibiting on Sunday the things Jewish Sabbath laws prohibited, are based on the notion that it is the Sabbath and thus an enforced day of rest.
---StrongAxe on 9/28/17


\\The Bible gives pretty specific instructions on how to observe any Holy convocation. \\

Obamasboy, I HAVE opened the Bible on this matter, but you clearly have not. IF you had read this in context, you would see that these "holy convocations" were to be held ONLY on the Sabbath in pilgrim-feast weeks.

The idea that the weekly Sabbath is a day for worship to 'keep it holy" is the projecting of nearly 2000 years of CHRISTIAN practice of Sunday onto Saturday.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/28/17


Nicole Lacey, correction: most Christians meet for worship on Sunday. That has nothing to do with thinking it is the Sabbath. The Sabbath is the day of rest and has no bearing on what day you meet for fellowship or worship. You are actually one of the few Christians I have met that actually thinks Sunday is the real Sabbath. Most Christians well aware that the Sabbath is the seventh day, which begins at sundown on Friday and ends at sundown on Saturday (since in the Bible, days begin in the evening and end after morning, not at midnight. "The evening and the morning were the first day").
---ObamasBoy on 9/28/17


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Nicole Lacey, I did not make the Sabbath on the seventh day, God did. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Him. I'm only repeating what He commanded.

Also, why do you keep mentioning Peter being given authority to change the Sabbath? NOWHERE in scripture did Peter change the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first day or say the Sabbath is on Sunday. Nor was he ever given that specific authority even if he wanted to. Peter's authority doesn't supersede God's. And your worldy denominational leaders certainly don't either.
---ObamasBoy on 9/28/17


Nicole_Lacey:

What is your OBSESSION with what English people happen to call the days? That is IRRELEVANT. Regardless of what names are used (and they differ from language to language), the fact is the Bible calls the 7th day the day of rest, while the RCC worships and keeps its day of rest on the 1st day - a different day.

There is no mention in the New Testament of anyone in the church calling the 1st day "Sabbath".

Acts 20:7 mentions lunch, not worship.
1 Cor 16:2 mentions gathering food, not rest.
Col 2:16-17 mentions judgment, but no specific day.
Rev 1:10 mentions when John was in a vision, but not worship nor sabbath.

Why did they change it? Because we Christians are not bound by the Law.
---StrongAxe on 9/28/17


Obamasboy, in addition to StrongAxe's question about the Sabbath strict low activity.

Do you have the Seder meal yearly? If not why not?

Yom Kippur?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/27/17


//OT Sabbath was the seventh day (Saturday).//

Not denying that. BUT the 3rd Commandment doesn't use the word 'Saturday'.

//Early church met the first day (Sunday), not the Sabbath.//

Right and wrong. They meet on Sunday as their Sabbath.

//Sabbath observances got transferred to Sunday, but not in the Bible.//

Wrong as well. In fact I remember debating you on that issue.

Scriptures Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 16:2, Col 2:16-17 and Rev 1:10

Since you and I do believe the Early Church (as early as 67 AD just 33 years after Christ's death) did worship on Sundays, why did they change from Saturday to Sunday?

I really want to know your opinion.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/27/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

OT Sabbath was the seventh day (Saturday). Early church met the first day (Sunday), not the Sabbath. Sabbath observances got transferred to Sunday, but not in the Bible.


Obamasboy:

Cluny asked how to observe Sabbath "according to the Decalogue". Other books give details, but not the Ten Commandments. Those rules are under the Covenant of Moses, which we Christians are not under.

Do you refrain from cooking from an hour before sunset on Friday until an hour after sunset on Saturday, and traveling and using electrical appliances (including lights, refrigerators, cars) during that time? If you do any of these things, you aren't biblically observing the Sabbath.
---StrongAxe on 9/27/17


Obamasboy, do you know how ridiculous you sound?

You don't want to accept Peter authority given to him by Jesus, but you want ME to take your authority to celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday that ISN'T in the 3rd Commandment?

According to you I need to ignore 2000 yrs of Christian's history because of Obamasboy's interpretations of the Bible?

Obamasboy KNOWS more than the Church fathers and 99.9% of all CHRISTIAN LEADERS TODAY mandating their followers to celebrate the Sabbath on Sundays.

How stupid do you think I am?

You might be able to convince other people that you are god, but not me.

I see common sense isn't too common.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/27/17


Cluny, this is why I recommended that your teachers crack open a Bible every now and then. If they had, you would know how the Sabbath is to be kept Holy. The Bible gives pretty specific instructions on how to observe any Holy convocation. Biblical protocol for the Sabbath includes obstaining from any customary work, buying, and selling, among other things. If you are truly interested in knowing how to keep the Sabbath homy as commanded by God, you should look it up so you know.
---ObamasBoy on 9/27/17


Obamasboy, according to the Decalogue, just how is the Sabbath supposed to be kept holy.

Be specific.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/27/17


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Nicole Lacey, except that God commanded to keep the Sabbath on the seventh day, not "every seventh day". You can choose to observe another day instead, but then you arent observing the Sabbath and you aren't obeying God. God said the seventh day, not "whichever day of the week you want to keep holy". Neither you nor any other human has the authority to change the LORD's Sabbath to another day. Saturday is the seventh day, not Sunday.
---ObamasBoy on 9/26/17


So... Nicole Lacey, if you didnt argue that Saturday isn't the 7th day or that the Seventh day isn't the Sabbath, then you must agree that Saturday is the Sabbath.

I mean, logically, you can't agree both that the Sabbath is on the seventh day and that Saturday is the seventh day and then argue that Saturday isn't the Sabbath.

So either you agree that the Sabbath is Saturday or you just lied yet again about what you stated.
---ObamasBoy on 9/26/17


Okay, I am only going to say this one more time.

Sweet and simple.

The Sabbath day does not USE the literal word 'Saturday' to be kept holy.

Every seventh day I am keeping holy as my Sabbath is Sunday as commissioned by the Church under the authority given to Peter in Matthew 16:13-19.

Muslim people choose to have their Sabbath on Fridays.

Jewish people STILL have it on Saturdays as the Seventh-Day Adventist reverted back to Saturday.

Whether you like it or not 99.9% of ALL Christians today have their Sabbath on Sunday.

Go to Church on Saturday it's your right but don't get mad because normal Christians wish to keep Sunday as their Sabbath. It's our right.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/26/17


"The commandment states to keep the Sabbath day holy not to keep the seventh day holy"-Nicole Lacey

"Obamaboy, yes you are reading exactly what I am trying to convey and explain. The Sabbath day to be kept Holy in the 3rd commandment (4th for Protestants) is not the seventh day."-Nicole Lacey
---ObamasBoy on 9/26/17


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Really Obamasboy? Can you NAME a SELF-inflicted mental illness? Enlighten us with your medical knowledge.

//she was arguing that Saturday is not the 7th day of the week.//

CITE it! See what I mean Jerry? Exhibit B. I said the Bible DOESN'T state the 3rd Commandment (4th) is Saturday!

Just do what Jerry did and Cite Scripture or listen to Rob

//"Well, yeah but the Bible doesn't say the Sabbath is the 7th day".//

Exihibit C

I NEVER said that!Just like Kathr, making stuff up.

I said the 3rd Commandment doesn't say it is Saturday.

Are you a 'PRETEND' Christian like Obama?

//I hope she gets help from God.---ObamasBoy

I hope you START practicing the 8th commandment. (9th)
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/26/17


//ObamaBoy, you noticed the same things about Nicole_Lacey!---Rob

Now you seem to be obsesses with me. I notice how he debates as you. Calling names when you can't support your own agreement. Whining instead of explaining.

Obamasboy chose to attack the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.

No one is attacking Darlene1 because she isn't on CN attacking anyone on CN.

BTW, talking about me is still the same thing as having a dialogue with me.

I have to right to speak. This isn't North Korea and you are not Kim Jung-un

Just pretend I don't exist!

Karen is the only one on CN to keep her word.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/25/17


Rob, without joking, I honestly do think Nicole Lacey is suffering from someone self-inflicted mental illness. When a person lies to themselves for so long they eventually become incapable of believing the truth.

All of her conversations go in circles and her arguments are inconsistent and incoherent. For example, first she was arguing that Saturday is not the 7th day of the week. When it was explained to her by several people that Saturday is indeed the 7th day, her argument changed to "Well, yeah but the Bible doesn't say the Sabbath is the 7th day". After I proved that the Bible actually does say it is the 7th day, She's now back to claiming Saturday isn't the 7th day.

I hope she gets help from God.
---ObamasBoy on 9/25/17


ObamaBoy, you noticed the same things about Nicole_Lacey!
---Rob on 9/25/17


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Now Jerry you can debate!

//Luk 23:56..rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment.---Jerry6593

I over looked it. NOT denying Jewish's 3rd Commandment is Saturday for them.

They (Jews) accused Jesus of violating the Sabbath Commandment many times.
Jesus explained how they were taking the Sabbath Commandment out of context.

Proving how they didn't think they themselves were violating the Sabbath when they rescued a sheep. Matt 12:11

V1, it doesn't states Jesus was plucking heads of grain and eating them.
The Pharisees said "Look, Your Disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!
Jesus answered it's okay: V8 "For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath"
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/25/17


Jerry please cite the Bible stating those Countries were harlot.

ObamasBoy, don't get mad. Just debate.

I gave you an example of the one day of a week. I NEVER said one out of seven. It's RICH how you call me a liar as lied throughout your own post.

The Bible is clear. I can't help it if you CAN'T find one SINGLE VERSE calling the Saturday the Sabbath. Get OVER IT!
Even StrongAxe gave an example of the Muslims people calling their Sabbath REST and not Saturday!

//It says the seventh day, witch is Satruday.--Obamasboy

NO IT DOESN'T!

You VIOLATED Deuteronomy 4:2 and Revelation 22:19! by adding "which is Saturday"

'Which is Saturday by DEAR ISN'T in the Bible, just in your own mind!
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/25/17


Nicole: "You are wrong. Only Israel is referred to as a 'harlot'."

I beg to differ. Babylon, Egypt, Assyria and several Canaanite nations are called harlots in the Bible because of their idolatry.


"AGAIN, the Bible DOESN'T SAY SATURDAY IS THE SABBATH DAY!"

It also doesn't say which day Sunday is. I'll bet you don't have a problem with Good Friday or Easter Sunday, do you. Guess which day is right between them. That's right, Saturday, the seventh day Sabbath - the one on which the disciples rested "according to the Commandment".

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment.


---Jerry6593 on 9/25/17


Nicole Lacey, try again. It says the seventh day, witch is Satruday. It does not say one day out of seven, as you suggest. It says the seventh day.

Your ability to lie to yourself about what you just read while it is still on the screen in front of you is very disturbing. Ive been reading through your comments on various threads and I think you are actually sick. How long have you been lting to yourself so that you can continue to obey man made traditions rather than God's Word? Everything you say on these threads points to schizophrenia. I hope you get some help.
---ObamasBoy on 9/25/17


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Obamasboy, try again.

//"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. For in six days the LORD...but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy" Exodus 20:8-11.---ObamasBoy

NOPE. READ IT AGAIN

I can work 6 days and REST ON THE seventh day!
As long as you rest every 7th day.

If I said I get off one day a week.

Does it mean that day is every Friday? NO

Does it mean I am off on the SAME day every week? NO

All I said was that I get off one day a week.

AGAIN, the Bible DOESN'T SAY SATURDAY IS THE SABBATH DAY!
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/24/17


Nicole Lacey, actually, yes, the ten commandments, as well as various other places in the Bible, does say that the Sabbath is on the seventh day. Shame on you for lying.

"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy" - Exodus 20:8-11 (The 4th Commandment).
---ObamasBoy on 9/24/17


Obamasboy, YES you are reading exactly what I am trying to convey and explain.

The Sabbath day to be kept Holy as commanded in the 3rd Commandment (4th for Protestants) is not the Seventh day.

Note the Commandment DOES NOT say to keep the Seventh day Holy. And just as I explained that the word 'Whatsoever' in Matthew chapters 16 and 23 or 'Whatever' in Genesis I cited earlier conveys exactly that-- What ever that person with Authority chooses to do.

Pharaoh told everyone to do whatever Joseph told them to do in order to eat and be saved from death.

What authority did Joseph have to throw his brothers into jail for 3 days and kidnap one as a ransom for another?

Pharaoh's authority which was the LAW OF THE LAND
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/24/17


Jerry, Cluny is correct when he said:
"Also, in the Bible there is only ONE people and religion that is repeatedly personified as a harlot in both testaments, and it's NOT Rome."

You said: "Not true! There are many that are called "harlot", indicating idolatry. Most notable is Babylon, a term synonymous with an apostate religion.---Jerry6593

You are wrong. Only Israel is referred to as a 'harlot'.

All the Prophets in the OT spoke of Israel as the 'Harlot'.

Please give Scripture citing what you claim?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/23/17


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Cluny: "I notice you didn't actually answer my questions raised, Jerry."

What questions?


"Also, in the Bible there is only ONE people and religion that is repeatedly personified as a harlot in both testaments, and it's NOT Rome."

Not true! There are many that are called "harlot", indicating idolatry. Most notable is Babylon, a term synonymous with an apostate religion.


---Jerry6593 on 9/23/17


Suffered a deadly wound that was healed...---Jerry6593 on 9/20/17

Jerry
One of the presiding factors of determining the Christ, is death and resurrection. I believe, in order to convince the Jews, this will be a 3 day period, making folks believe he has been killed and has come back to life.
---David on 9/23/17


Jerry i would like to comment on your post on 9/20/17

In the order you posted top to bottom.
The woman is esoteric
Controls all 7 continents
Came to power after Rome fell
Humans
Denies God and Son.Rejected theological identity of God
Killed all the prophets
Eventual complete world control will change our democracy and silence gentile believers.
The wound ocured after Roman occupation and has already healed.
The world under their control is at their mercy to prosper.
To add
The merchants are the craftsmen who practice the esoteric craft.
They killed all the prophets
---Earl on 9/22/17


I notice you didn't actually answer my questions raised, Jerry.

Also, in the Bible there is only ONE people and religion that is repeatedly personified as a harlot in both testaments, and it's NOT Rome.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/22/17


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Cluny: We've been over this all before. I never mentioned the pope, but you like to defend him. Interesting. The Antichrist 666 is the number of a MAN, but Ellen White was a WOMAN. You seem to be having gender identity issues. She is also not a city, never blasphemed, didn't arise from pagan Rome, didn't persecute God's people for 1260 years or try to change times and laws.

And yes, the entire world (except you) considers Rome to be the city of seven hills.


---Jerry6593 on 9/22/17


//Has it's seat on seven mountains.//

Rome sits on 10 hills. OTOTH, both Jerusalem and Mecca sit on 7.

]]Has the eyes of a man and a name which may be counted to total 666.]]

"Vicarius Filii Dei" has never been an official title of the Pope. OTOH, "Ellen Gould White" adds up to 666.

\\Thinks to change times and laws.\\

If you think it's the pope changing Saturday to Sunday, please say WHICH pope did so WHEN.

\\Suffered a deadly wound that was healed.\\

EGW was hit in the face with a rock when she was 8 or so, and was unconscious for 3 weeks.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/21/17


The Antichrist:

Is both a woman (church) and a city.

Has it's seat on seven mountains.

Arises from among the 10 nations after the fall of pagan Rome, and as a "little horn," it roots up 3 of the 10.

Is diverse from the other powers - as iron and clay are unmixable.

Has the eyes of a man and a name which may be counted to total 666.

Speaks blasphemy - two examples of which are given by the Bible as (1) claiming to be God and (2) claiming the power to forgive sins against God.

Persecuted the saints of God for 1260 years (42 months or 3 1/2 times).

Thinks to change times and laws.

Suffered a deadly wound that was healed.

And all the world wonders after this Beast.
---Jerry6593 on 9/20/17


David, I agree, they are waiting for their messiah, and since the choice to accept him will be based on the perceptions of their senses, he will be easy for them, and the world to embrace.
---Josef on 9/19/17


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You don't have to know him, simply recognize him for who he is. If you witness a being that appears supernatural by the miracles he performs and he is claiming to be the promised messiah---Josef on 9/18/17

Joseph
To add.
He will be the one the Jews choose to be their Christ. (Matthew 24:15)
Remember, since they rejected Christ, they are still waiting to name someone as Christ!

Jesus was not Kingly enough for them, so for the reason they rejected Jesus, they will accept the Anti-Christ. He will be a King, a President, a monarch or someone of stature, the Jews will be proud to proclaim to be their Christ.
---David on 9/19/17


For those of you who do care. You don't have to know him, simply recognize him for who he is. If you witness a being that appears supernatural by the miracles he performs and he is claiming to be the promised messiah, savior of his people, and you are still in this mortal, natural body, having not been changed, he is the counterfeit. The anti-christ comes first.
---Josef on 9/18/17


I don't care.

I'm more interested in Jesus Christ.

To Him be glory.
---Cluny on 9/17/17


Here's what I know.
The Anti-Christ will be the one who rules over the entire world, as noted in his 666 designation. How do we know this?

6 is the number of man
66 is a ruler of men (President, King,etc)
666 is the number of someone who rules over rulers, a king of kings.

To be a 666, you must first be a 66. So one can draw their own conclusion from that.
---David on 9/16/17


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Rob that isn't nice.
I don't watch TBN or DayStar, but I know how it feels when someone calls my Faith's Leaders the Antichrist.

You won't like it if someone called you the Antichrist
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/16/17


If you want to see the Anti-Christ watch TBN or Daystar Television!
---Rob on 9/16/17


Only time will tell with this topic. However, I believe God will make it obvious to Christians.
---David on 9/15/17


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