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Haz27:

If others make a point, I see no need to add "me too". Since you never agree with any of the injustices *I* mention, do you believe those injustices should happen? I don't assume that.

How does 2 Kings 15:16 speak against killing the unborn?

It was standard practice in that era for conquerers to spare virgin girls, but slay all men and boys and married women (since they might be pregnant and bear male children). This is also why adultery (by women) was considered heinous - a man's wife might bear a child that wasn't his, jeopardizing his family's inheritance. A married man who slept with a virgin wasn't adultery - he just had to marry her (Exodus 22:16), as polygamy was allowed.
---StrongAxe on 10/20/17


StrongAxe, as I stated in the other blog, you have my sincere apologies if you do indeed oppose the legalization of abortion. Just from reading some of your past comments, it seemed as though you support abortion being legal. If my obervation was incorrect, then I genuinely apologize.

But my statement remains true. Anyone who supports abortion, or the legalization thereof (in case you think there is a difference), has no place lecturing anyone on morality... Ever.
---ObamasBoy on 10/20/17


AXE. As additional support for the Biblical stance against killing the unborn, see 2 Kings 15:16.

Whilst you may claim that you don't agree with abortion, the fact that you always fail to speak out against such genocide unless you're confronted about, shows that you are ok with ignoring this genocide in your defense of the Left.
---Haz27 on 10/20/17


Do you oppose abortion if it is quite certain that it will save the mother's life, but if it is not performed, the mother will die?
---Loony1 on 10/19/17


AXE. Again you twist my words. I said you excuse (genocidal) LEFT.
You identify with the Left. You repeat the allegations from the virtue signalling Left that Conservatives are evil.
Then you defend the hypocritical Left when we expose the far greater evils the Left commits.

Your appeal to scripture about not judging is used out of context (as Lefties always do) in the hope to shut down Christian opposition to Left's evil agendas.

The only righteous government is God's. His kingdom is not of this world.
We are instead debating who is lessor & greater evil of man's flawed governments.

The Left's oppressive PC tyranny reveals who is real totalitarian threat to our freedoms/rights.





---Haz27 on 10/19/17




AXE. Again you show you have no spiritual understanding of scripture.

Matt 25 refers to the spiritually hungry, thirsty, sick, in prison, naked, strangers. Scripture is spiritually discerned (1Cor 2:14). Do a word study and see how these terms are described in the Bible.

As for Exodus 21, again you got it wrong. It speaks of terms UNDER THE LAW. That is an eye for an eye, a life for a life. Hence if an unborn baby dies due to a struggle by fighting adults, then the offender is to be put to death under the law. A LIFE FOR A LIFE.
---Haz27 on 10/19/17


ObamasBoy:

You wrote: Anyone who supports abortion has absolutely no place to lecture anyone else about morality... Ever.

As I mentioned on another blog, I do NOT support abortion. I never have. I have never said I did.

Anyone who bears false witness has absolutely no place to lecture anyone else about anything... Ever.


Nicole_Lacey:

I mentioned Exodus 21:22-25, but did you even READ that, before you gave a reply that had nothing to do with it?

And yes, many animals DO eat their young, so that point is not valid.
---StrongAxe on 10/19/17


loony1 ask, "John9346, who decides what is heresy and what is orthodoxy?"

"The Scriptures." my friend "The Scriptures."

Good question...
---john9346 on 10/19/17


strongaxe states, "
When Jesus describes the Final Judgment in Matthew 25, he separates righteous from wicked based not on whether they were theologically correct, believed the right doctrine, were members of the right church, or anything else like that. The SOLE criterion was whether they showed compassion to others."

a couple things:

1. Do you know this is a parable?

2. Do you know that this parable is descriptive and not prescriptive.

Your trying to make Matt 25 prescriptive when it isn't.

3. If you read the verses closely you'll see they directly contradict you.

start at vs 31-34??
---john9346 on 10/19/17


Nicole said, "I believe Loony is speaking about our bad behavior."

Nicole, "False Erroneous Heretical Doctrines." result in the level of vitriol witness here on this blog...

"Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine, continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee."

1 Tim 4:16
---john9346 on 10/19/17




Anyone who supports abortion has absolutely no place to lecture anyone else about morality... Ever.
---ObamasBoy on 10/19/17


StrongAxe: so the righteous included people ho did NOT believe or know Matthew 25, and the wicked included people who thought they were saved (i.e. believed all the right things), but were not.//

Yet, they DID want was NATURAL in showing MERCY to others.

Jesus rewards us when we DO WHAT IS RIGHT even if we DIDN'T do it in God's Name.

Right is right and Jesus still gives us CREDIT!

//The abortion argument relies on "Is killing the unborn murder?". Exodus 21:22-25 suggests it is not.---StrongAxe

Wrong! It isn't NATURAL to kill one's unborn baby. Not even the wild animal kingdom kills its own unborn child.

Thus Jesus will CONDEMNS us for killing our young. It isn't natural.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/19/17


Haz

Good to hear.
---Loony1 on 10/19/17


Loony1. Its likely I've done as much harm in this physical life as many here, like you, have done. But as Christians grow in Christ we change for the better.
---Haz27 on 10/19/17


Jeremiah 1:4 - Then the word of the Lord came unto me

Jeremiah 1:5 - Before I formed the in the belly I knew thee : And before thou calmest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordain thee a prophet unto a nation.
---RichardC on 10/18/17


Exodus 15:3 - The Lord is a man of War, the Lord is his name.
Exodus 15:4 - Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned.in the Red sea.

Ephesians 4:5 - One Lord , One faith , One Baptism.

Luke 2:11 - For unto you is born this day in the city of David a saviour, which is Christ The Lord,

Ephesians 6:16 - Above all ,take the shield of Faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery of darts of the wicked.

Ephesians 6:17 - And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirited which is the Word of God.
---RichardC on 10/18/17


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john9346:

When Jesus describes the Final Judgment in Matthew 25, he separates righteous from wicked based not on whether they were theologically correct, believed the right doctrine, were members of the right church, or anything else like that. The SOLE criterion was whether they showed compassion to others.

People in both groups did not know why they were being judged so - so the righteous included people ho did NOT believe or know Matthew 25, and the wicked included people who thought they were saved (i.e. believed all the right things), but were not.


The abortion argument relies on "Is killing the unborn murder?". Exodus 21:22-25 suggests it is not.
---StrongAxe on 10/18/17


Haz

Have you ever done any harm?
---Loony1 on 10/18/17


John9346, who decides what is heresy and what is orthodoxy?
---Loony1 on 10/18/17


John: While one maybe confused in understanding these doctrines it is a casm when they directly deny and reject them, they cant and are not "Christians."...

you asked a good question.---john9346on 10/18/17

I believe Loony is speaking about our bad behavior.

He(she) told Karen if someone states he or she is a Christian he(she) will believe that person.

Loony has been scandalized by our tone, speech and anger towards each other.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/18/17


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loony1 ask, "Hey, are there any Christians here?"

To answer your question only a few and far between.

This cite is full of heresy and the "False Doctrines." are numerous here...

There are those here who deny "Essential Christian Doctrines "The Authority of Scripture.", the "Trinity.", the "Deity of Christ", and salvation by grace through faith in Christ Alone."

While one maybe confused in understanding these doctrines it is a casm when they directly deny and reject them, they cant and are not "Christians."...

you asked a good question.
---john9346 on 10/18/17


loony1 ask, "I need some help on the abortion question. Where in scripture is abortion prohibited?"

first, theTen Commandment, "You shall not murder."

Next, Exo 21:22-25.
---john9346 on 10/18/17


Loony1. There are various issues scripture does not directly mention. But that doesn't mean they're not covered by the command of Jesus to love others. And love does no harm (such as murder).

Abortion is a crime against humanity, with the Atheist Left throughout the West being at the forefront promoting it.

And the Left have long dehumanized the unborn so as to justify their elimination (much like Hitler dehumanized Jews to justify their elimination).

Sadly abortion has been made into an such an acceptable norm by the Leftist dominated media, Hollywood, politics, etc, that we even see a few Christians here on CN failing to acknowledge this crime against humanity.
---Haz27 on 10/18/17


Haz

If killing is unloving, one should not serve in a combat position in the military. I don't see anything in the New Testament that says it's okay for a Christian to be a combat soldier.

I think that abortion is a terrible thing too. But it is not directly prohibited in Scripture. There must be other reasons to prohibit it.
---Loony1 on 10/17/17


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Mark Eaton, I'm sure what you say is true. But are there people on here who claim not to be Christian? I'm not thinking of people that you or I might not consider Christian. I'm talking about people who actually claim that they are not Christian. It's all very interesting to me. Blessings to you.
---Loony1 on 10/17/17


Loony1. John 13:34 Jesus commands that we love one another.
And love does no harm to another (Rom 13:10), whether that be ripping babies apart through abortion, poisoning, bashing with a hammer, genocidal totalitarian rule, theft, adultery, false witness, etc.

Love would not endorse politicians advocating for easier abortions.


---Haz27 on 10/17/17


I am assuming that most people here claim to be Christians.
---Loony1 on 10/14/17

Hello Loony1.

This is a bad assumption to make. I made it also. I originally thought everyone here believed as I did but have found otherwise.

In these blogs, we have all forms of Christianity. From Catholic and Orthodox, to Protestant denominations. Also, we have Latter Day Saints, Jehovah's Witnesses, Messianic Jews, Orthodox Jews, and atheist/agnostic folk.

As you can see, there are many beliefs/faiths represented and many different ways to understand Scripture and Tradition.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/17/17


According to the 2010 United States Census, Delaware had a population of 897,934 people. The racial composition of the state was: 68.9% White American (65.3% Non-Hispanic White, 3.6% White Hispanic) 21.4% Black or African American.

Actually Deleware has the highest abortion rate per 1000 births number 1 State on the list of MOST ABORTIONS per 1000. And yet has the lease Black or African American population.

---kathr4453 on 10/17/17


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I need some help on the abortion question. Where in scripture is abortion prohibited?
---Loony1 on 10/17/17


AXE. Yet again you deflect. My question was why do you avoid the Left's violent slaughter of babies in your suggestion that less religious countries are less violent?

Regarding your deflection topic, the states that have been most aggressive in passing anti-abortion laws, like Indiana, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma have seen the greatest declines.

Consider policy's like the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act which changes the conversation & thus public awareness that late term abortions painfully dismembers babies. A better informed public no doubt makes a difference.

The fact remains the totalitarian Left are without doubt the most heartless, genocidal group over the last century. Yet you always cover for them.
---Haz27 on 10/17/17


StrongAxe: yet in the United States, abortion rates are LOWER in progressive, liberal, Democratic, leftist pro-abortion states than in conservative, Republican, anti-abortion pro-life Bible-belt states. Why?//

NOT TRUE! WHERE'S YOUR CITATION?

Made up!

In New York city alone more Black babies are aborted than Black births as cited in the policifact Texas Lauren Caruba.

The CDC reported that New York shows the HIGHEST abortion rate in the COUNTRY--in comparison to the birth rate-is in New York City, where the aborton rate is 60 PERCENT of its birth rate in 2013 and in 2014 the CDC ALSO reported more BLACK BABIES ARE ABORTED THAN BORN as released by the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene Office.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/16/17


Oh yes, there are Christians on this site, along with attention seekers. racists, bigots and hypocrites and they do it all in the name of Jesus.
---pg1 on 10/16/17


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Haz27:

Colorado provides free birth control, which has LOWERED abortion rates. Texas is viciously anti birth control, and abortion rates are HIGHER.

You constantly rage against the left being pro-abortion, yet in the United States, abortion rates are LOWER in progressive, liberal, Democratic, leftist pro-abortion states than in conservative, Republican, anti-abortion pro-life Bible-belt states. Why? It certainly can't be because of "heartless Atheist Left", because if that's the case, it would mean that the "Theist Right" is even MORE heartless. Please provide a reasonable explanation for this.

Please, more facts and left emotionally-laden rhetoric.
---StrongAxe on 10/16/17


AXE. Australia, U.K, Japan, Sweden and Canada also rate quite high as violent countries considering that their rates of baby murder are around 200 to 600 babies slaughtered each day.

And it's the Left who are renowned for being at the forefront for easier abortions.

I can understand why the heartless Atheist Left choose to ignore this violent slaughter of babies. They don't know God and they have no moral code.

But what I can't understand is that you likewise avoid acknowledging this violent slaughter of babies in allegedly less religious, less violent countries, in your suggestion that less religion somehow means less violence.
---Haz27 on 10/16/17


StrongAxe: Most early Christians were not Jews//

Remember the circumcision debate? ACTS 15:1-41?

Or do you think it was a bunch of Gentiles debating the Jewish Laws/dietary among themselves for a few Jews to join them?

//didn't know Hebrew.//

So the FIRST Christians FORGOT their Hebrew IMMEDIATELY after Jesus Rose?

//The last letter of their alphabet was Omega, not Tau.//

Now you DON'T KNOW HEBREW and confusing Greek. Omega/Greek and Tau/Hebrew.

//When kathr4463 mentioned "T", she meant "Trump".//

I know, did you read my WHOLE POST? I spinned it to Tau. Read my cited article

'What is the meaning of the Tau cross, so loved by St. Francis?--(Aleteia)--Diane Montagna
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/16/17


AXE. Decades ago Left & Right aligned with Christianity. But political spectrum has shifted DEMS & REPS further Left. BO, Hillary & Trump have courted Christian voters. But I doubt if they even know what the 2 commands of Jesus are.

The posturing & virtue signaling of the Left marks them as biggest hypocrites. Their double standards are seen through their attacks against Conservatives over lessor evils than the Left's greater evils. Consider also their deceitful claims of being the party of compassion.

The Conservatives are merely lessor evil, and not actual representatives of Christianity.

As for violent nations, I think violent murder/abortion of approx 3000 babies per day in USA puts it in higher ranking.
---Haz27 on 10/15/17


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StrongAxe. Just to correct you, the side of politics that most likely wants to kill people are clearly the Left.

Apart from the totalitarian Left's genocidal forefathers Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc, we see even today it's the Leftists who are at the forefront pushing for ever easier murder of babies. Seems the murder of approx 3000 babies per day in USA is not enough for the Left.

Sadly, those here defending the Left typically remain silent about the baby slaughter, unless they're confronted.

In Australia we see violent, abusive Leftists calling for the execution of Christians because we oppose LGBT marriage.

And don't forget the global warming Leftists who called for the execution of deniers.
---Haz27 on 10/16/17


And just to reiterate my last post here, that is exactly what the RCC tried to do for over a thousand years.....and LOST, and also got the name of anti-Christ for that behavior.

Your comment was very telling. I pray for your soul Nicole. No "man" =6 or man made rule since=6, being enforced by mans own righteousness =6 is going to save you. And one that is an adulter at least two times over AINT GONNA SAVE YOU.

There's no real proof you are who,you say you are...you could be Steve Bannon or one of his tools for all anyone knows here.... Ever read Psalms 37....you should. It's the LORD who takes care of evil doers...not you or Trump. So cool your jets Nicole. Pride comes before a fall. REPENT!
---kathr4453 on 10/15/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Most early Christians were not Jews, and didn't know Hebrew. The last letter of their alphabet was Omega, not Tau. When kathr4463 mentioned "T", she meant "Trump".

Jesus said HE would place his mark on his followers. In Revelation, Beast's followers accepted his mark. Nazis marked forearms of concentration camp inmates, and made members of hated groups wear marks on clothing. Those human-made marks were bad things.

Politicians who want people killed are mostly Republicans. Several want all LGBT people killed. At least one "Christian" one said all non-Christians should be killed. Jesus said "love your enemies". Muhammed said "kill them".
---StrongAxe on 10/15/17


Kathr: what are you talking about? You are babbling along not making any sense.

//You said New Testament something.....what's that about...please provide scripture where Christians tried to take over the world and force Christianity on everyone or be killed?//

Do you even know your own name?

Are you confusing me with another person on CN again.

//wearing a mark you say....????//

Read the article I cited it. Rev is the LAST BOOK of the NT.
Open your Bible and read it.

//You see, you can't compare ISRAEL and how God dealt with her, and force that belief on Christians and gentile nations...//

The 1st Christains did and most of them were REAL JEWS and know their Hebrew unlike you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/15/17


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Nicole, you too have the mentality that America is a Theocracy, and your great white hope Trump convincing you all to murder all you feel are involved in Idolotry? So very funny...NOT! Will Trump also go after Catholics who seem to be in the category of those idol worshippers and perverts?

You said New Testament something.....what's that about...please provide scripture where Christians tried to take over the world and force Christianity on everyone or be killed? ?.wearing a mark you say....???? You see, you can't compare ISRAEL and how God dealt with her, and force that belief on Christians and gentile nations...it's called DOMINION / replacement/ reconstruction theology..a false teaching that the BEAST will deceive many with.
---kathr4453 on 10/15/17


Kathr: Maybe you will have your wish, and we'll see some sort to "T" stamped on your head or hand someday.//

I PRAY.

Tau is the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet and was used symbolically in the OT.

The Lord said to him, "Go through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark upon the foreheads of the men..Ezekiel 9:4

It was adopted by the very 1st Christians, for a twofold reason:

As the last letter of Hebrew Alphabet, it prophesied the last days and had the same function as the Greek letter Omega as it appears in Rev 21:6,22:13

Christians adopted the Tau, because its form reminded them of the CROSS on which Christ was immolated for the salvation of the world (Aleteia)--Diane Montagna
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/15/17


That was spot on Strongaxe. t's also a concern to many Christian Churches today who are appalled at the idea that we have so lowered the bar when it comes to Christians in politics, giving now a pass to multiple marriages and unfaithfulness we see so much of as Trump, Gingrich and so on as we parade Christian values around the world, these being the poster boys. YIKES? As trump HIDES BEHIND PAULA WHITE LIKE HERETICS. " Welllllllll, ya knowwwww, yea buuuut, and it really makes my skin crawl.

Nicole, it's blasphemy to worship any person, whether politics or religion that names it's followers after a person.....

Maybe you will have your wish, and we'll see some sort to "T" stamped on your head or hand someday.
---kathr4453 on 10/15/17


Haz27:

The church is called to police itself, not the world. Since the right wraps itself in the Bible and claims to stand for Christian principles, it makes itself subject to Christian scrutiny and judgment (and ridicule by the world if it falls short of those principles, as one thing both Christians and non-Christians agree upon is that hypocrisy is abhorrent). Inasmuch as the left does not claim to be driven by Christian principles, it is outside the Church's jurisdiction. Jesus condemned hypocrites but ate with prostitutes.

Today I saw a map of the world's least religious countries: Australia, Canada, Japan, UK, Sweden, etc. - and another map of the world's least violent countries. Curiously, both maps were virtually identical.
---StrongAxe on 10/15/17


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KATHR. We both agree everybody is flawed. And as I said before, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The RCC is not the absolute power it once was, although I hear disingenuous Atheist Leftists always relying on past atrocities from under this former era of RCC absolute power, to attack Christianity overall.

The virtual absolute power we see today though, is the Left. They dominate mainstream media, Universities, politics, Hollywood, etc.

Whilst the atrocities of the Left far outweigh that of the RCC, of added concern is the totalitarian Left have been the dominant power through their oppressive PC tyranny for the past few decades. And absolute power corrupts absolutely.

---Haz27 on 10/15/17


Loone1, I Don't change. And I'm glad you're are at peace with yourself.
---kathr4453 on 10/15/17


Kathr, I am NOT AFRAID to speak out against the RINOs and I have in the past. I voted for Judge Roy Moore inspite of Trump endorsing Strange. Trump was wrong

You assume we are afraid of our own Party as you are afraid of the Democrats. WE ARE NOT!

If Trump made a Trump Party I would sign up.

If Trump became a Democrat again I would DROP HIM AND DENOUNCE HIM IMMEDIATELY.

If Democrats CHANGED and followed God not just claim to change, but REALLY CHANGED I would be a Democrat!

I call it as it is and not afraid in calling people out.

Loony1 called me out for my BAD behavior and is RIGHT!

Like all Democrats you can't examine yourself because you are TOO BUSY judging and trying to control others!
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/15/17


Kathr4453, I'm not sure if I'm following you completely. I think you were using a little irony... People can think of me whatever they like. I am at peace with myself. It is my hope for everybody that they would be at peace with themselves. God bless you.
---Loony1 on 10/14/17


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You and Kathr have eagerly alleged all sorts of crimes against conservatives, so why then do you complain when I give damming facts against the Left back to you?

---Haz27 on 10/13/17

Actually HAZ and Nicole, you both are the ones who are short sited in ONLY spewing out the sins of the left, and NOT ALSO THE RIGHT, OR THE RCC. That's what is called biased. As for me....I'm just pointing out ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHOET OF THE GLORY OF GOD. Much like Jesus did when the Pharisees were about to stone a women to death for sins they too were guilty of. And YES, they HATED Him too for pointing that out. That's the problem here ...... A problem YOU created....
---kathr4453 on 10/14/17


AXE. Your obfuscation is not helping you.

Why have you not given your definition of the sin you allege Christians are charged with?
And why do you contradict Rom 8:33 when it says we cannot be charged?
And why use 1John 1:8 out of context, especially as you use it to contradict 1John 3:9?

BTW, Jesus bore the consequences for sin once only. It's not an ongoing sacrifice for sin. I suggest you study scripture and seek understanding from Christ our teacher (Matt 23:8).

Loony1. I suggest you read my post 10/13/17 as your last post indicates you misunderstand me.
---Haz27 on 10/14/17


I'm beginning to understand a few things here. It is okay for right-wing Christians to judge, but it is not okay for left-wing Christians to judge. My question is, what about non-political Christians like me? Is it okay for us to judge?
---Loony1 on 10/14/17

It would appear by your silence, ( Haz27's words...not mine ) that you are just as guilty of being a lefty as all communist leftist. The problem with Haz27's thoughts are, if you're not here stomping and uttering hate on leftys you must be one.....he even hates moderate conservatives and calls them communist leftys too.

Don't try to reason with him on that because to him, if you're not constantly spewing hate towards democrats....your a loser, commy, lefty.....
---kathr4453 on 10/14/17


KarenD, I am assuming that most people here claim to be Christians. I have no way to determine whether they are or not. If they say they are, I presume they are telling the truth. Nobody would tell a lie here, would they?
---Loony1 on 10/14/17


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StrongAxe, your LACK of criticism of Kathr shows you are very bias.

Everyone can see Kathr's blogs just as much as Haz's blogs.

You can't tell one person to stop hitting while you ignore another person's beating down every thing it their path.

You are behaving like Gloria Steinem's daughter Lisa Bloom.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/14/17


Haz27:

"It's sad to see you have little understanding of God's word as to misuse scripture the same way as Atheist Lefties do." is as faulty as "You say 2+2=4. Hitler says 2+2=4. Hitler was wrong. Therefore you are wrong.".

It's sad to see you have little understanding of elementary logic and misuse it in an attempt to hold a debate.

We are still charged with sin - but WE no longer pay for it. Jesus did. HE still bears the consequences. This is why we don't have a free license to sin.

1 John was written to Christians. We are not FREE of sin.
v7 says he PURIFIES us from sin - unnecessary if we don't have it.
v8: If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
---StrongAxe on 10/14/17


Loony1....Who are Christians and who are not? Just wondering how you are determining this.
---KarenD on 10/14/17


I'm beginning to understand a few things here. It is okay for right-wing Christians to judge, but it is not okay for left-wing Christians to judge. My question is, what about non-political Christians like me? Is it okay for us to judge?
---Loony1 on 10/14/17


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AXE. You quote same scriptures that Atheist Lefties in Australia quote in their campaign for legalizing LGBT marriage. Their logic is to attempt to shut down Christian opposition to their agendas by misusing scriptures.

It's sad to see you have little understanding of God's word as to misuse scripture the same way as Atheist Lefties do.

You speak of "sin", but do you know what it is, its consequences?
You say Christians are still charged with sin in spite of Rom 8:33, 1John 3:6-9, John 8:36 saying otherwise.
And as Christians are in Christ (Gal 2:20, Col 3:3), to say Christians still remain in sin (in spite of Christ's sacrifice) then that is to say there is sin in Christ in spite of 1John 3:5 stating otherwise.
---Haz27 on 10/14/17


All of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit, not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead, for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing.

1 Peter 3:8-9
---Loony1 on 10/13/17


Haz27:

Again, you totally ignored the scriptures *I* quoted. YOU are not sinless, so it is not YOUR place to sit in judgment over the sins of others.

"Left" is defined by a particular philosophy. The very fact that you believe that leftism is DEFINED by CRIMES shows just how biased you are.

Yes, some leftists have committed crimes, and some rightists have committed crimes. But I do not say that these crimes DEFINE what the right IS. I say "this action by a rightist is wrong", not "this is a rightist action, and therefore inherently wrong". THAT is the difference between us.

Issues are only black and white when people believe only propaganda, and refuse to think for themselves.
---StrongAxe on 10/13/17


AXE. Again you misunderstand scripture. From Gen to Rev the context is one of the choice between righteousness by faith OR by works of the law. We are called not to judge righteousness by works of the law. Sadly too many misunderstand scriptures and misuse them to support their political arguments.

As for crimes Leftists commit, these are facts of note that define who the Left are.
You and Kathr have eagerly alleged all sorts of crimes against conservatives, so why then do you complain when I give damming facts against the Left back to you?

As long as the oppressive Left continue to dominate mainstream media, universities, Hollywood, politics, institutions, etc, then issues are virtually as stark as black and white.

---Haz27 on 10/13/17


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Haz27:

If that scripture is too complicated, how about Matthew 7:3-5 and Luke 6:41 that speak about removing impediments from one's own eye before criticizing someone else's vision?

Simple disagreements are fine, but you're constantly condemning ALL leftists as being liars, deluded, or worse, and then accusing anyone who has even a single leftist tought in their head as being guilty of every crime every leftist has ever commmitted. PLEASE try to understand that few things in life are anywhere near as black and white as that.

It takes two to tango, and it seems like the most accusatory comments here come from your side. I condemn polities of rightist politicians (not you). You condemn ME personally. That's the difference.
---StrongAxe on 10/12/17


It is the same in marriage. A believing spouse treats a believing spouse poorly. Indeed, Jesus says, "a mans enemies will be the members of his own household." (Matthew 10:36)

For I have come to turn
a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a mans enemies will be the members of his own household. (Matthew 10:35-7)

For a son dishonors his father, a daughter rises up against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a mans enemies are the members of his own household. (Micah 7:6)

Why should christianet be any different?
---mike4879 on 10/13/17


We should try to do the best we can. We are all made in the image of God and should treat each other that way.
---Loony1 on 10/12/17


Loony: We can debate and show kindness and respect at the same time---Loony1

AMEN

Sometimes we need reminders.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/12/17


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Loony1:

We frequently do that. Sadly, there are a few people here who feel the need to stoop to screams and insults to get their points across. It's true that any discussion can occasionally get heated, but for some people, that seems to be the only way they are able to communicate.
---StrongAxe on 10/12/17


AXE. Again you misunderstand scripture as throwing the stone refers to judgement and condemnation under the law. Your point is irrelevant.

Simply, we disagree often based on political lines. You push your Leftist beliefs and allegations here and I challenge them with counter allegations, etc. It has nothing to do with judgement/condemnation of another's salvation and righteousness under the law.

As for confrontational, its seen often, even in the Bible, on forums like CN, and for many years the leading proponents of it are the totalitarian ideologies from the Left and Islam.
---Haz27 on 10/12/17


We can debate and show kindness and respect at the same time.
---Loony1 on 10/12/17


Welcome loony1. Please try to put up with the alligators while treading through the swamp!

I try to follow the Golden Rule - i.e. not saying anything I wouldn't want said to me in return.


Haz27:

Jesus also said, "Let he who is free of sin cast the first stone". When you become as perfect and sinless as Jesus, you will be entitled to sling all the stones and mud as you feel necessary - NOT before.

I, like many others here, learned from my experiences on CN.

I hope that being confrontational isn't one of the things you learned here.
---StrongAxe on 10/12/17


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Christians love. But the points made are true.

Let us love one another as Christ has loved us.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/12/17


Hi loony1. Welcome to CN.
Forums always contain confrontational debates expressing views and truths that are unsettling to others. They also contain occasional foul commentary too.

Do you think Jesus was being foul, or was he being truthful and confrontational in John 8:44 when he said to the Pharisees "You are of your father the devil".

And as Cluny said, St Paul likewise said some unpleasant things to others too.

When I first came to CN about 7 years ago I saw some quite confrontational and critical posts that riled me up. I, like many others here, learned from my experiences on CN. If this is your first experience on forums you'll find that you will learn from your experience here.

---Haz27 on 10/12/17


One can be "not nice" without being foul.
---Loony1 on 10/11/17


Unfortunately, people get so caught up in what divides them that they forget what binds them together. Decades ago, during all the civil unrest in Ireland, I heard a joke that was sad but true:
"The problem with Ireland is that there are too many Catholics and too many Protestants but not enough Christians".
---StrongAxe on 10/11/17


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Because we are not listening to Jesus.

We get so mad and caught up in our petty debates we are not seeing Jesus in each other.

Not an excuse, but a SAD FACT.

I am trying to avoid catching the foul balls sent to me.

I am sure I sent foul balls as well.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/11/17


Being Christian doesn't mean always being 'nice'. St. Paul had some rough words in face to face interaction.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/11/17


Nobody admits to being a Christian?
---Loony1 on 10/11/17


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