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Are Statues Good Or Bad

It seems all statues are being destroyed by Antifa. Is that good or bad to have statues according to the Bible?

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AXE. What works do Christians do?
Jesus answered this in John 6:28,29 stating we are to BELIEVE ON HIM.

These works are consistent with John 3:16 where Jesus commanded that we BELIEVE ON HIM.
These works are consistent with John 6:40 where BELIEVING ON JESUS is defined as being the will of God.
These works are consistent with James 2:14-18 (and Matt 25) where those who believe on Jesus demonstrate love for others by sharing the gospel to the SPIRITUALLY naked, hungry, thirsty, etc so that they too may BELIEVE ON JESUS.
These works of believing on Jesus are consistent with 1Tim 6:12 fighting the good fight of faith.

We should not allow our minds to be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ, 2Cor 11:3
---Haz27 on 11/15/17

There will be two resurrections.

The first is when Jesus returns and the dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up with the dead. This is at the beginning of the thousand year reign of Christ.

The second resurrection is at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ where all the other dead from all of history shall rise and be judged from the book of life - according to their works.

Blessed are those that rise in the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 11/15/17


I think Jesus's teaching on the Good Samaritan is pretty plain, yet you render his teaching null and void.

Matthew 16:27
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he shall reward every man according to his works."
---StrongAxe on 11/14/17

AXE. The gospel of God's kingdom is that we are to believe on Jesus, resulting everlasting life.

BUT, you argue that those who reject this gospel (thus ANTI CHRIST) can still have everlasting life because they helped a needy person.

Can you explain whether your alternative gospel, which is based on goods deeds to the needy, is based on just ONE good deed, or does it require some minimum number of good deeds?

Muslims, for example, deny that Jesus died on the cross for our sin. They are ANTI CHRIST.
Are you really saying that a Muslim (who thus rejects Christ's Crucifixion based on Islamic texts) is still saved if he did some minimum level of good deeds for the needy?

---Haz27 on 11/15/17

Haz27, I don't think Strongaxe believes good works gets you to,heaven. So stop twisting here.

Also,remember Haz27, that while we were yet sinners Christ died for our sin. I mean the sin of ALL mankind. I don't believe in the Calvin interpretation of that verse either. And the story of the Samaratian has nothing to do with anyone trying to earn their way to heaven by good works. Please don't project your lack of understanding on others.
---kathr4453 on 11/15/17

AXE. You fail to understand scripture. Jesus is our teacher (Matt 23:8) and only he can give you understanding.

Of concern is your error doctrine undermines the gospel in that your false teaching infers that the gospel of God's kingdom is merely just one way to His kingdom, and alternative paths to salvation come by some ambiguous level of good physical deeds in spite of such persons being anti Christ.

As for the good Samaritan, who was it that had compassion on mankind who had been set upon by thieves (Satan John 10:9,10 & John 19:8,9)?

I suggest for your own sake that you stop undermining the gospel. Salvation is through J.C, and not some ambiguous level of good physical deeds in spite of being anti Christ.
---Haz27 on 11/14/17


You keep dismissing my argument by saying that it doesn't apply to unbelievers. OK. Don't believe me, but you should believe Jesus who very specifically gave a sermon on this exact subject.

In the parable of the Good Samaritan, the victim is ignored by the religiously correct upright leaders of his day (priests and scribes). He is helped by a Samaritan. That word didn't mean "person who does good deeds" as it does today. It meant "heathen heretic". Yet this heathen heretic did something none of the Jews did - he helped a stranger in need. Whom did Jesus praise? The heathen heretic. He did not criticize his religious incorrectness.
---StrongAxe on 11/14/17

Actually Nicole, yes I am. Just another today, willing to testify before a Senate Hearing, was violently assaulted AND I BELIEVE HER AND ALL THE WOMEN WHO HAVE COME FORWARD. I know with this today even more will come forward. Things like this don't just STOP. You can call it anything you want.

It's appalling how ALABAMA Republicans want to make child molestantion by grown men legal. Or STILL have the mindset it's the child's fault or its OK.

Oh I hope and pray Hannity bites the dust, and all those hiding behind the...OH THE DEMS ARE PERSECUTING US WITH LIES AND FAKE NEWS.

WELL, NEWSFLASH...The latest woman is a REPUBLICAN who voted for Trump. PRICELESS. That's what I call RICH.....
---kathr4453 on 11/13/17

KATHR. Your Leftist motivated Trump hate has blinded you. The heartless Left are renowned for being hypocritical, virtue signaling narcissists. Dont follow them.

AXE. You referred to Matt 7:21 but left out the important parts that contradict you. Many who say Lord will be rejected because they did not do the will of God, as Jesus explains in that verse. And Gods will is that we BELIEVE ON JESUS (John 6:40, 1Thess4:3). It refers to those who did not win the good fight of faith.

What differentiates a Christian helping the needy as opposed to non Christian, is that Christians also preach gospel to the lost who God describes as SPIRITUALLY hungry, thirsty, naked, sick, strangers, in prison. Open you spiritual eyes Axe.
---Haz27 on 11/13/17


SEVERAL woman have alleged that Roy Moore touched them inappropriately.

Republicans aren't saying Moore didn't do it. Some say it was OK because old man Joseph married young woman Mary: "he did it, but it the bible says it's OK". Some say the women should be prosecuted: "He did it, but blame the victim".

When Democrats act inappropriately, EVERYBODY (D+R) condemn them. When Republicans act inappropriately, Ds condemn them, while some Rs defend them.

Statutes of Limitations forbid trials after a time. Sexual abuse is often impossible to try because victims are traumatized and it may be years before they are able to come forward.
---StrongAxe on 11/13/17

Kathr: I posted OTHERS defending him by saying its NORMAL for a grown man to molest young girls//


You are still calling Roy Moore a child Molester!

No one has to defend him for molesting a child because HE SAID HE SAID HIMSELF DIDN'T MOLEST THE GIRL!

//using the Bible to hide behind,//

And you using to Bible to WRONGLY JUDGE other people. Matthew 7:1

//So sending Warren Jeffs to prison for raping 12-14 year old girls he forced to Marry him was Wrong after all,//

No, but guess what. Jeff Warren had a TRIAL FIRST before going to prison. REMEMBER?

//Maybe in some third world country...BUT HERE IS AGAINST THE LAW//

You bet, one is INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY in America!
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/12/17


Jesus said in the final judgment, even Sodom and Gomorrah would have it better than the inhospitable.

Many will say to him, "Lord! Lord! Didn't we do many wonderful things in your name?", and he would reply, "Get away from me! I never knew you!". The only people who would think to say such things would be BELIEVERS, because non-believers would never call him Lord, nor would they claim to have done great works in his name.

He also said the last would be first and the first last. Matthew 25: the righteous don't understand why they deserve to be chosen, and the wicked don't understand why they are condemned.

I am on several others forums that are quite civilized, with almost no drama.
---StrongAxe on 11/13/17

Haz27, I have to object to your idea that Christianity is not helping the needy of the lost. Franklin Graham would NOT agree with you there. Remember the Good Samaritan vs the Pharisees? We are HERE to show the LOST through love and caring the Love of God and share the Gospel. That's hard to do when you say...oh sorry your dying of hunger...but our food is only for our people... I also believe Charity begins at home. It's so hypocritical to give around the world TO BE SEEN OF MEN...OH LOOK HOW WONDERFUL AMERICA IS, and not even care for our own. But with Trumps AMERICA FIRST mentality, we may actually see we don't help other nations either like we use to....which actually is not Christian. We're not even helping PR, our OWN!
---kathr4453 on 11/13/17

Nicole, please go back and read what I really wrote about R Moore. I posted OTHERS defending him by saying its NORMAL for a grown man to molest young girls because after all Joseph was older than Mary. I said THAT was SICK and hypocritical using the Bible to hide behind, that does NOT uphold the LAWS OF THE LAND. You can't have it both ways. Should we allow plural marriages because it was in the Bible? So sending Warren Jeffs to prison for raping 12-14 year old girls he forced to Marry him was Wrong after all, because girls 12-14 were Subjected to arranged marriages in the bible? Maybe in some third world country...BUT HERE IS AGAINST THE LAW.. just like Weaner sexting minors. It's ILLEGAL in the USA.
---kathr4453 on 11/12/17

AXE. You lack understanding of scripture. Your false teaching that non Christians get to Gods kingdom simply based on some ambiguous level of good deeds in helping the physically needy, is unscriptural.

1Cor 2:14 tells us the natural man lacks SPIRITUAL understanding. I suggest you stop thinking like a natural man and then you will see who are the SPIRITUALLY needy.

I see you once again obsess over physical sexual immorality, whilst conveniently remaining silent about the likes of the baby slaughter platform and poverty creation of your side of politics. Your morally distorted selective outrage discredits your stance.

LOONY1. CN is typical of all forums. Such frankness is the norm.
---Haz27 on 11/12/17

I don't think this blog has been hijacked except by those who want to accuse others here and start a personal mud slinging event. NIcole us usually the instigator of such events, yet I see no one takes her bate. She tried this with aservant a few weeks back, out of the blue....and was IGNORED, because everyone now KNOWS she's a trouble maker and slanderer.

Many here have built statues in their heart as well to Dem or Rep. A statue can be anything we exalt above God in our heart. And using scripture as some have done to justify a grown man molesting a 14 year old as OK because he's a republican is disturbing. If this were a democrat, believe me the lynching would have already taken place.
---kathr4453 on 11/12/17

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Sadly, the constant bickering has been going on here since time immemorial. I have probably been here for almost a decade. I was first told about this site by Cluny, who referred to it jokingly as "the piranha blogs" because of the constant in-fighting, and as I've found over the years, this was sadly true, and has not changed. It is the nature of the internet. (There are other Christian blogs elsewhere and they also suffer from the same problems).

I'm sorry to see you go. Among all the people who seem to have been posting here regularly, you are one of the few who actually seem to be civil and level-headed all the time. I will look forward to your return.
---StrongAxe on 11/12/17

Kathr, you are priceless.

You called everyone else a Hypocrites while being a Hypocrite yourself.

Go to the Bergdahl blog site where you accuse me of condemning a man who pledge guilty while you condemn a man who professes his innocent.

Then you preach to us about Jesus.

That's why people call Christians Hypocrites. Because of people like you.

//Roy Moore just may be one of these Hypocrits-Kathr

I will ask you the same questions you asked me.

Are you a judge or a lawyer?
You claim you were selected as a juror before.
Did they tell you to form an opinion before all the evidence were introduced?

Calling names again I see.

StrongAxe, has Roy Moore called Kathr a name?
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/12/17

To all of you:

This site has been hijacked.

I'll try back in a month or two and see if things have changed at all.

God bless you.
---Loony1 on 11/11/17

StrongAxe: I constantly call out name calling here, from anyone.//


Yes, it that is Kathr, the ONLY one I have NEVER seen you CALL OUT!

//However, when kathr (whom you disagree with) does it just once or twice in response to much more from the other side,//

NO, she is the QUEEN of name calling on CN. Everyone knows that on CN.

//you suddenly complain about her, then condemn ME for doing so too. Perhaps your outrage is a wee bit selective?//

Again, you are Sooo bias, you still refuse to remove your blindfold. I said you are one sided. I said you correct everyone. That is almost everyone but Kathr.
Go ahead. Repost a correction of Kathr if you can?
I will apologize if I am wrong.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/12/17

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I prefer those who do not claim Christian values but do things Jesus encouraged (e.g. feeding the hungry) than those who claim to be Christian yet repudiate what Jesus taught. Jesus had a parable about this - the son who said he would not obey but later did was better than one who said he would obey but didn't.

Democrats immediately condemned Weiner, but many Republicans defend Moore. Some compare his molestation to Joseph and Mary, and others say the GIRLS should be prosecuted for the "crime" of not coming forward - i.e. blaming the victim.

Peter condemned Ananias and Sapphira but not idolatrous Romans. Why not? Because policing the church is the within church's mandate, but policing the world is not.
---StrongAxe on 11/12/17

Jesus rebuked the Pharisees because THEY were Gods chosen people upon the earth to be a light to the Nations. That's WHY Jesus could and did call them HYPOCRITES. They judged and condemned others all the while they were guilty of the same sins. RE: the woman taken in Adultry. They were called "dead man's bones" on the inside. Their hearts were wicked all the while pretending and praying out in the open to be seen of men...

Roy Moore just may be one of these Hypocrits. Now an associate of his back in his early career said everyone wondered why he as a 30+ year old DA hung out with teenage girls at HS football games, and the mall. The more he lies about it the worse it's gonna be. More will come out on this..
---kathr4453 on 11/12/17

Jim Zeigler, the state auditor and former chairman of the Conservative Christians of Alabama and the state League of Christian Voters, told the Washington Examiner on Thursday that there is nothing wrong with a man in his early 30s dating a teen-ager. He cites both John the Baptist and Jesus, saying they were the progeny of men with much-younger wives./////

SICK so called Christian values. This 14 year old MOORE MOLESTED was NOT his wife. And also the LAWS of the land call it ILLEGAL. This is so called Christianity at its worst, justifying sexual Preditors on teenage girls as Godly interaction.

I tell you what...ALABAMA is a sick state. Isn't this bogus Christian values NOT UPHOLDING THE CONSTITUTION?

Wake up folks ...
---kathr4453 on 11/12/17

I haven't been on this site for a while, but have been noticing more hatred than ever before using politics, racism, bigotry, terrorism, discrimination, et al, to degrade one another. Oh, such hatred. Shame on you.

So, getting back to my original post:

What do you think about the following verses?

Exodus 20:4-5
Leviticus 26:1
Isaiah 42:8

Do you think that any picture, image or statue of Jesus Christ for the purpose of worship is in violation of the Second Commandment? Do you think pictures, images or statues of Jesus Christ depict how Jesus was described in the bible?
---Steveng on 11/12/17

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AXE. You identify as Left, and here you admit that YOUR side of politics does not uphold Christian values. That says a lot about you.
This explains why you remain silent about your Lefts atrocities like baby slaughter, whilst you condemn Conservatives for the speck in their eye.

Also I see you misunderstand scripture. JC in fact criticized hypocritical Pharisees because they enforced the law as the way to self righteousness.
Neither the REPs or DEMs have a political platform of attaining self righteousness by deeds of the OT law.

Christians know that our righteousness is through faith in JC, Rom 4:5.

BTW, what makes you think we have jurisdiction (suggesting a law) to judge other Christians on their behavior?
---Haz27 on 11/11/17


I agree such behavior is not Christian, regardless of who does it. However, the left doens't CLAIM to upholdg Christian values, while the Right DOES - so it is fair game to judge them, not on whether they uphold values WE hold, but on values THEY THEMSELVES claim to hold. Jesus never screamed at Romans for not upholding God's laws - but he DID scream at Pharisees for not doing so, because it was specifically their job to do so.

He didn't scream at Romans for their spiritual sins (idolatry, enslaving nations, etc.) either.

It is our job as Christians to uphold Christ's ideals. It is NOT our job to force such ideals on others. We only have the jurisdiction to do so for others who claim to be Christians like us.
---StrongAxe on 11/11/17

AXE. It's Kathr (and now you) who obsess about REP's adultery, whilst ignoring DEM's rape, pedophilia, adultery. Whilst I confront Kathr about her selective outrage, I consider evils like the Left's baby slaughter platform far worse.

I don't see either side of politics being specifically Christian, in spite of them both courting Christian votes. I merely recognize the fact Conservatives are the lessor evil.

BTW, the real issue is SPIRITUAL sexual immorality (apostasy- losing the good fight of faith), as Jesus indicated when he said what God has joined together, let not man separate (Matt 19:6). This is the spiritual message in scripture. Christians are married to Christ (Eph 5:32, 1Cor 6:15-19),

---Haz27 on 11/11/17

Roy Moore UGG! What is more offensive is Pretending to be so righteous, hiding behind the " oh the lefties are persecuting and slandering me, because I'm such a wonderful Christian....GARBAGE DEFENSE many ignorant folks will buy. One man interviewed said he didn't care if Moore was a child molester, and that he would rather have a child molester in office than a democrat. SICK.

That kind of thinking has taken this Rep /Dem argument and divide beyond rational thinking. But it IS the kind of irrational hate mongering coming from the right.

The truth is The Trumps TAPE was not a lie. No one LIED and made that up about Trump though...and people WOULD rather have a sexual preditor in office than a democrat.
---kathr4453 on 11/11/17

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Look at the Clergy, yes Ministers also caught in horrible immoral behavior and LIED about it . ministers who were sexual Preditors in the church....other men's wives, even molesting young boys. BIG CHURCHES with hundreds of thousands of followers, yet folks (some that is) seem to think Republicans are even more holy, and can't possibly conceive that their favorite politician is also accused and guilty of immorality.

Jimmy Swaggart still has a following, Jim Baker, ...the list goes on and on....even Paula White and Benny Hinns affair..and LOOK, Paula a heretic is one of Trumps spiritual,advisers and spoke at his inauguration that ignorance....or just NO SHAME? Or possibly that Christianity in America is a WHOLE NEW THING?
---kathr4453 on 11/11/17


I constantly call out name calling here, from anyone. Some people do it constantly. You haven't complained about them though, as you argue the same points. However, when kathr (whom you disagree with) does it just once or twice in response to much more from the other side, you suddenly complain about her, then condemn ME for doing so too. Perhaps your outrage is a wee bit selective?

I will stop chastizing Haz27 in every post for his unwarranted ad-hoc attacks as soon as he stops making unwarranted ad-hoc attacks in every post.


Trolling is injecting unwarranted inflammatory comments solely to create discord. Condemning such discord is NOT unwarranted, and NOT inflammatory - hence, not trolling.
---StrongAxe on 11/11/17


If Democrats commit adultery, they're morally reprobate. How often did Jesus condemn such people? I don't recall any.

However, because Republicans identify themselves as the "family values" party, most as evangelical Christians, and constantly pass moral judgment on others and enforce their morality on others, whenever THEY commit adultery, they are not only morally reprobate (as above, not such a big deal), but also HYPOCRITES, something Jesus CONSTANTLY condemned. This week, Moore, yet another child-molesting Republican who condemned other peoples' moralities, was exposed.

For the third time, if you want to bring up baby slaughter, CREATE A BLOG FOR IT. That you haven't means it must not mean enough.
---StrongAxe on 11/10/17

StongAxe, your chastisement of Haz is so wrong because you are one sided as always.

You would have more credence if just for once on CN you would ask Kathr to tone it down a bit?

Just for once?

You have read all the nasty, vicious, vile, crude and name calling she has posted just in this year alone and kept your mouth closed.

You rightfully chastised me at time, but it is getting old when I am noticing you straining the gnat but swallowing the camel over and over on CN.

Be fair
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/10/17

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AXE. Loony's posts about trolls are directed towards our outspoken style of debate. I showed the term troll is also a pejorative term used in ad hominem attacks. Thus my question to Loony is whether his posts are an ad hominem attack against we outspoken bloggers. I struggle to see why you fail to grasp this simple message.

What you allege are "pejoratives" against Lefties, are in reality facts describing the position of those on the Left.

Just as you have made many derogatory, and what you falsely believe to be factual, allegations against Conservatives, I also made factual allegations against Leftists.

This is all part of open debate. Don't try to silence opposition with the victim card tactic.
---Haz27 on 11/10/17


How could Loony1 be engaging in an ad-hominem attack (i.e. an attack against a person) when he didn't mention any persons? YOU are the one who mentioned specific persons, and thus inferred an ad-hominem attack that wasn't there in the first place.

I can't speak for kathr4453, however, the hate I specifically object to here is not some propaganda I "watch on the Left's Fake News", but rather, actual posts that you make in particular where you constantly hurl pejoratives and accusations at several people here, kathr4453 and me included. I don't need to make anything up. Anyone who reads these blogs can see it for themselves and reach their own conclusions.
---StrongAxe on 11/10/17

KATHR. Yet again you focus only on issues like adultery within ranks of REPs, whilst you conveniently ignore the adultery, pedophilia, rape, from DEMs. And notably you still remain silent on bigger issues like DEMs baby slaughter.

Recently our taxpayer funded Leftist dominated media were caught out again, breaking the law with their political bias in telling lies against Trump. Fortunately we have a few honest journalists in Australia who fact check and expose these lies from Left's Fake News.

BTW, the Fake News & hate from Lefties here that I refer to are the false allegations like the Big Switch, Nazism & KKK, etc, which are all proven Big Lies from the Left.
---Haz27 on 11/10/17

FACTS came out years ago, before the alt right coined the term FAKE NEWS, as their way of DENY DENY DENY. Trump, a serial adulter...FACT. Gingrich also, married 3 times, was having an affair with an adulteress now married to Gingrich who has now been selected ambassador to the Vatican....too funny. A Republican on the Right to Life committee resigned because he told his girlfriend ( he's also a serial adulter) to get an abortion. FACT.

So childish and disingenuous of Haz27 and REP. to call this information HATE and fake news. And the more they call REAL FACTS Fake News, the more there are who are coming forward to DISAPPROVE of Trumpism's PHONY deny deny deny agenda, brought to you by Roger Stone. People are not stupid Haz27.
---kathr4453 on 11/10/17

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AXE. Again I suggest you try reading my posts more carefully, as once again you seem to be going on about something I never said.

I did not say Loony posted anything inappropriate. I'm questioning him about whether his posts are resorting to the pejorative term of "troll" in an ad hominem attack against those here who are more outspoken in discussions.

KATHR. Again I suggest you try to practice what you preached in one of your posts. Your hate keeps on getting the better of you. Another tip you should consider is to stop watching the Left's Fake News as no doubt that's where you get such hate from.
---Haz27 on 11/10/17


You wrote: AXE will allege that you are just randomly dropping your troll topic posts for no reason in particular ?

I don't put words into your mouth and condemn you for them. Please don't do the same to me. I have never seen Loony1 post anything inappropriate on CN. I cannot say the same about you.

Is your issue about trolls just as irrelevant and random as AXE suggests

I didn't say his issue with trolls is irrelevant. I said trolls make posts that are irrelevant. Please learn to read. If people make irrelevant posts, complaints about those posts are TOTALLY relevant.

Like any pejorative term...

Pejorative posts of any kind are inappropriate, whether they are relevant or not.
---StrongAxe on 11/10/17

I think we all need to,pray for Haz27 here on line. So filled with hate and hateful attacks towards others. Doesn't know HOW to turn the other cheek.....because he says he's sinless and can do and say anything his little heart and soul moves him to do. Therefore when rebuked he will never apologize but come at you 100 times harder with the hate speech and attitude. Can we all,see a spirit filled man here? I don't . I see the man James 4 someone being controlled by the devil. And those who are Christians will never be sucked into being yoked with those Like James 4 describes.
---kathr4453 on 11/10/17

Loony1. Oh you realize that AXE will allege that you are just randomly dropping your troll topic posts for no reason in particular ?

As for troll, heres a quote from your same source about it.

Application of the term troll is subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. Like any pejorative term, it can be used as an ad hominem attack, suggesting a negative motivation.

Is your issue about trolls just as irrelevant and random as AXE suggests, or are you just using it as a perjorative term in an ad hominem attack?
---Haz27 on 11/9/17

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AXE. The Fascist Left in Australia also have their own establishment swamp, just like the Left's swamp in US.

Our biggest media outlet is the taxpayer funded ABC and SBS TV, radio, internet media. They're dominated by Fascist Lefties who deliberately disregard their legal obligations to remain impartial and to offer balance.
But as they're so powerful, and have the backing of the Leftist majority of politicians, academics, etc, then this illegal misuse of our taxes to push Leftist propaganda continues.

Similarly in the so called "Human Rights Commission" (another Orwellian double think title), which is dominated by Lefties pushing the totalitarian Left's racism, bigotry, terrorism and discrimination.
---Haz27 on 11/9/17

How to respond to trolls:

Call out their behavior. Many people recommend you simply ignore trolls and dont respond in any way, but this gives the trolls even more power as it gives them the power to silence you.

Instead, ignore the troll but address the problem with the audience in a matter of fact way.

Do NOT respond in a manner that stoops to the trolls level or you risk two outcomes:

1) Feeding the troll and engaging in an unwinnable argument that will escalate, or

2) having the audience see you as another irritant/troll rather than as the balanced, decent and aggrieved party.
---Loony1 on 11/9/17

AXE. ANTIFA are the Fascists. In Australia, Europe, U.K ANTIFA Leftists are also described as Fascists (which has always been Leftist).
The Left today use similar double think as in Orwell's 1984, such as Ministry of Truth (Fake New Media with lies, e.g CNN, NYT, etc). Thus ANTIFA = Fascists.

The terrorism & political agenda for a dictatorial Leftist totalitarianism proves ANTIFA are Fascists.
Politicians like Trump who seek to drain the Left's establishment swamp, are a threat to the Fascist Left's totalitarian aims.

As for KKK, they've been insignificant group for years, but Leftist Fake News media, etc, use them to deceive the naive. No Conservatives endorse the KKK, thus proving once again the Left are liars.
---Haz27 on 11/9/17


Look at what party the KKK supports NOW. Look at who the neo-nazi white supremacists support NOW. It isn't the Democrats. It's Trump and the Republicans.


You wrote: It's also scary that the wheels are getting greased for those ignorant souls being told that anyone who opposes Trump are Antifa.

This may be closer to the truth than you realize. The very name Antifa means anti-fascist, and the way Trump and his followers want to run the government is how the fascists did. They favor white racial purity. Trump believes he has (or should have) absolute dictatorial power, and whines that the constitutional separation of powers inhibits his ability to govern.
---StrongAxe on 11/9/17

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KATHR. I suggest you actually practice what you preached.

AXE. Again, all but one of KKK Dixiecrats remained DEMs. LBJ even said his DEM's will have them ni**ers voting DEMs for 200 yrs.
Considering black poverty, family breakdown, violence, etc in DEM's governed cities, we see nothing has changed from the conditions DEMs slavers kept blacks in long ago. Same in Australia, the heartless Left keep blacks needy for political advantage.

The NAZI's & Fascists were SOCIALISTS, with similar political aims as DEMs. Just the same old heartless, totalitarian Lefties seeking to establish ever greater state controls over us. Likewise in Australia our rights, freedoms gradually eroded due to the Left's oppressive PC tyranny.
---Haz27 on 11/9/17

It's also scary that the wheels are getting greased for those ignorant souls being told that anyone who opposes Trump are Antifa. Many oppose Trump and are not a part of any group. I've ALWAYS HATED LABELS peolple force on others.

But this is all how these propaganda machines work, and how the most ignorant of people will follow these lies.
---kathr4453 on 11/9/17


You wrote: The facts remain that the KKK and NAZI's were both DEM's & Left, as I've proven already.

Yes, they WERE. BEFORE. And as I keep pointing out, the Democrats grew up and abandoned those evil ideas. The people who held those ideas, disgusted by the betrayal of their party, clung to those ideals and switched to the Republican party - who valued voters rather than morals, because they saw themselves as the only solution to combat communism, by hook or by crook. NOW, TODAY, KKK and Neo-Nazis are Republicans.

A few hundred years ago, ALL Australians were criminals. Should we continue to treat you as such?

Stop living in the past.
---StrongAxe on 11/9/17

Haz27 try to focus on no longer being part of this world system, realizing that both left and right without Jeuss Christ will all end up in HELL, falling short of the Glory of God. You really sound totally consumed in the world, and sound sick in mind, and not at peace with God or even have the peace OF God.

I'm so looking forward one day when in the New Heaven and Earth there will be NO SUCH THING as politics and left or right...but God will be all in all..........kinda like how we as Christians as New Creatures are actually suppose to be following that mindset NOW.

There are some real crazy fanatics out there.....

Keep your eyes on the Lord Folks, and STAY IN THE LOVE OF GOD.
---kathr4453 on 11/9/17

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KATHR. Then by your own judgement YOU yourself are a TROLL (for the Left).

As for the "same ol same ol" FACTS that you don't like to hear, well that's just going to continue just as we all know your same ol same ol hate against Conservatives will continue.

It's sad to see how oblivious you are to the heartless position you take by always remaining silent about the Left's atrocities such as baby slaughter, but you obsess about Trump's locker room boy's talk.

The facts remain that the KKK and NAZI's were both DEM's & Left, as I've proven already.
And the fact that you parrot the Left's propaganda trying to pin them on Conservatives, only proves how far Left you really are.
---Haz27 on 11/8/17

Haz27, correct CHRISTIANS have overcome the world. So would that mean Christians still in the world are either NOT Christians, or possibly still carnal as Paul defines in 1 Corinthians 3.

I don't defend anyone Haz27.....but because YOU only point out the sins of the left....all I am doing is showing you that the right ALSO is corrupt. Now along the line of your accusations.....why don't you ALSO show the sins of the Right and I will balance that with the sins of the left.


Probably not....but we all know that Haz27.
---kathr4453 on 11/8/17

KATHR. All here would agree that Christians are not part of this world system, and that we cannot save it.

But I disagree with your defense of the Left, who are clearly the greater evil of this world's flawed governments in Western countries.

You constantly obsess over the speck of minor issues in the eye of conservatives, whilst you conveniently ignore the log of atrocities, corruption, and hate, etc in the eye of your side of politics.

BTW, Christians have overcome the world.
1John 5:5
Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
And as long as we fight the good fight of faith to believe on Jesus, then we remain an overcomer.
---Haz27 on 11/8/17

Please note that an internet Troll is not someone who is outspoken about their faith. Apples and oranges.

But a TROLL is someone like you Haz27 who go from blog to,blog and repeat the same ol same ol, even if it has nothing to do with the question. I accused Nicole of doing that because she was breaking into any ol thread totally unrelated to the question to continue an assault yourself who just loves to beat a dead horse over and over.

Here in America the KKK alt right LOVE Hitler. Go figure Haz27. They are White Supremacists who LOVE burning the Cross and LOVE HITLER. Where you live may be different Haz27...... Are you telling us about Australia or America? I think WE KNOW what's going on here.
---kathr4453 on 11/8/17

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Loony1 gave a definition fo troll universally accepted by discussion forums all over the net. He didn't mention any names. YOU did. If you think the definition applies specifically to you, it's because you realize you engage in exactly the kind of anti-social behavior that definition entails.

I was not challenging your claim that Nazis are leftists (a discussion for another time), but your logic in inferring that all leftists are therefore evil. With that logic, you can prove Jesus was evil (as I demonstrated).

Gerrymandering is "divide and rule" at its core, and is heavily pushed by Republicans here.
---StrongAxe on 11/8/17

AXE. Maybe you should take the time to read my posts properly.
Loony1 obviously gave a definition of "troll" based on previous posts of myself and Kathr. Why suggest he'd just throw it in randomly?
I then listed other equally outspoken bloggers (like yourself) that Loony may be including. Why then do you reinterpret such a clear statement?

As for the NAZI's are Leftists claim, if you recall you had previously alleged NAZI's were of the Right, until I proved otherwise.

The deceitful Left have accused the Right of being NAZI's, Fascists, racists, etc, for decades, when in fact it's the Left themselves who fit such descriptions.

BTW, the Left's divisive identity politics is divide and rule.

---Haz27 on 11/8/17

Joel 3:14), so fight the good fight of faith (1Tim 6:12), finish the race (2Tim 4:7), and don't let the Left's lies & hate mongering derail you.
---Haz27 on 11/7/17

Run the race set before you, fight the good fight of faith, as Paul shows us in Phil 3....that those who mind earthly things ARE ENEMIES OF THE CROSS. Those who are fighting the good fight of faith are OVERCOMING THE WORLD. Not trying to take it over, or try to save it. We cannot SAVE THE WORLD. Things are NOT going to go on and on forever. Our days are limited. We are called to be ambassadors for Christ......not REPUBLICANS. We are no longer part of this world system Colossians 3:1-4.
---kathr4453 on 11/8/17


Loony1 just quoted the definition of a troll, without naming any names. That you automatically assume that he was talking about you means that you think the definition fits. Loony1 didn't call you a troll - YOU did.

You also keep implying that false equivalence, "Nazis were leftists. Nazis were evil. Democrats are leftists. Therefore Democrats are evil", whose logic is just as flawed as "Stalin was Russian. Stalin was evil. Solzhenitsyn was Russian. Therefore, Solzhenitsyn was evil.", or "Caiaphas was Jewish. Caiaphas was evil. Jesus was Jewish. Therefore, Jesus was evil."

Divide and conquer is not Leftist - it is from Julius Caesar.
---StrongAxe on 11/8/17

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Loony1. Your post obviously is meant to imply that the most outspoken bloggers here on CN (such as Kathr, Axe, Jerry, NurseRob, and myself, etc) are trolls because of our style of discussion.

Do you also think Jesus was a provocative troll because he told the Pharisees that they are of their father the devil (John 8:44)?
---Haz27 on 11/7/17

What is an Internet troll?

"In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum. chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll's amusement."
---Loony1 on 11/7/17

KATHR. Your earlier reference to Hitler was incorrect as the NAZI's were in fact Leftists, who even looked to DEM's policies for guidance.

And just as Hitler's Brown Shirt youths terrorized opponents to Hitler's rise to power, today we likewise see the Left's ANTIFA & BLM terrorists doing the same.

Regarding your 2Tim 3 quote, we see this Biblical warning often in scripture. Christians are to turn away from those professing to be brethren, but are in fact liars, denying the gospel which is the power of God unto salvation (Rom 1:16).

This life is the valley of decision (Joel 3:14), so fight the good fight of faith (1Tim 6:12), finish the race (2Tim 4:7), and don't let the Left's lies & hate mongering derail you.
---Haz27 on 11/7/17

KATHR. Divide & rule is clearly from the Left through it's divisive identity politics.

Remember the deceitful Left dominate mainstream media, universities, Hollywood, etc, which are the megaphones for public debate to manipulate society. This is the source of hate & division.

We see this division even in Australia & Europe, where THERE IS NO TRUMP.

Throughout the West where societies are fracturing, the one common factor is the Christian hating Left with their divisive identity politics, and of course their equally divisive, supremacist allies, the anti Christ Islamist's.

Instead of being led by the Left's divisive hate mongering, you should focus on fighting the good fight of faith.

---Haz27 on 11/7/17

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Good answer. And I agree.
---Loony1 on 11/7/17

Loony1 I think the general consensus is as Samuel has stated, "Statues are neither good or bad per se. What they are viewed as or stand for. That is what is good or bad." Or as Chria puts it "A statue in and of itself is neither good or bad, only the meaning or interpretation any particular person may give it." Or my view, "It is that which the statue is given to represent" or convey in the mind of the person or persons considering that representation or conveyance. That which is offensive to one, may not be so, to another.
---josef on 11/7/17

Have we decided yet whether or not statues are good or bad?
---Loony1 on 11/6/17

Good point kathyr

Statues have also been destroyed by racist in the past.

Statues are neither good or bad per se. What they are viewed as or stand for. That is what is good or bad.

---Samuelbb7 on 10/27/17

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Satan has already lost. You can depend on it!
---Loony1 on 10/26/17

"Divide and Conquer" was also used by Hitler, and now used by Trump. I've never heard or seen so much hatred between folks, friends and family that scream words like : communist lefty, fake news, crooked this one or crazy that one or Liddle this one, ....inciting hatred among even families or DIVIDE their own party and using some excuse they are bad for the party thereby giving them derogatory nicknames.

Jesus warned that there would come a day when love would wax cold, and mother and father would turn again son and daughter, and vice versa.

This is just the beginning, also read 2 Timothy 3.... TRUCEBREAKERS is also noted. Having a form of godliness but denying the power.from such TURN AWAY.
---kathr4453 on 10/22/17

Its no secret Satan wants wants to conquer us. The secret, lies within the means by which he will take control of this world. Divide and Conquer. Look at all the division in the world today. Look at all the venues created for this very purpose...White vs Black for example.

This is the work of Satan folks, dont fall for it. Why division? Division creates hatred, and this is the way Satan will gain control of you, control of this world. The secret to fight against him, is in the foundation you have created.

Do you look at the world based on a Christian foundation, or on a foundation meant to create division?
Political party...color of your skin...religious belief...gender...etc?
Folks...Stay out of the world.
---David on 10/21/17

A few weeks ago, a statue of St. Joan of Arc was defaced with the words "Tear this down" spray painted on it.

A guess some people thought a mediaeval French woman was a Confederate heroine.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/14/17

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It might not need to be getting attention.

And in order for people to have an interpretation, they would need to have someone give them explanations and ideas which can feed their interpretation. So, even if they are not educated, they can hear from someone who is able to communicate (c:

In our minds we can make idols, of how we want women to look, for one example, so we can use them. And we can create the image in ourselves of how we want other people to be. But God can do better (c:
---com7fy8 on 10/13/17

I don't have a Trump hat to put on the squirrel, just as I did not have an Obama hat to put on it. I am not very political. I don't believe there are any permanent political situations to anything.
---Loony1 on 10/12/17

Loony1: I have a statue of a squirrel on the table on my front porch. I think it is a good statue. And no political outfits have tried to destroy it.//

Put a small Trump's hat saying 'Make America great' on the squirrel statue and wait 5 days. :D
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/12/17

//Also I have only heard of Confederate statutes being attacked.//

Columbus and Lincoln statues have been defaced.

Many times people forget that most people can not read in the world.

Pictures and statues tells the stories of the Bible.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/12/17

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I am not sure Antifa really exists as a group. They seem more to a bunch of thugs. They could be just anarchists who want to see it all burn.

Also I have only heard of Confederate statutes being attacked.

These statuses should be either in a Museum or at Civil war Battlefields.

Context people.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/12/17

A statue in and of itself is neither good or bad, only the meaning or interpretation any particular person may give it.
---Chria9396 on 10/12/17

I have a statue of a squirrel on the table on my front porch. I think it is a good statue. And no political outfits have tried to destroy it.
---Loony1 on 10/11/17

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