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A lot of attention is going to racial discrimination. But what about beauty discrimination? In all races, hasn't beauty discrimination caused more character degradation and failure to love, than racial discrimination?

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Kathr, when did I ever say I have no problem with Trump's locker room talk? You are nothing but a liar. My mention of Hillary's tapes was to illustrate your own hypocrisy of bashing Trump for bragging about his sexual advances on willing adult women while excusing Hillary bragging about freeing the rapist of a 12 year old child. And now you are trying to equate the two? In what world is freeing a child rapists anything close to enguaging in sexual touching with willing adults?
---ObamasBoy on 10/25/17


StrongAxe: It's ironic that I believe Trump's words more than you do.//

No, you BELIEVE your own MADE UP WORDS for Trump and I believe Trump's ACTUAL WORDS

//The ONLY explanation "fire and fury" could have today is nuclear weapons.//

AGAIN YOUR INTERPRETATION NOT HIS WORDS.

//We are not debating "maybe". This is something Trump ACTUALLY threatened.//

Yes he threaten NK, but NOT with Nuclear Weapons. If he did you would CITE the ACTUAL WORDS, you can't because Trump DIDN'T. Thus 'MAYBE'.

//Even farmers know you need seeds today if you are going to eat tomorrow.//

My Grandfather was a farmer and knew you have to EAT today to live for tomorrow.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/25/17


Obamasboy, I'm not defending anything. I thought I made that clear. What I said was, in cases like that, anyone can manipulate anything to make it sound like this or that. I also said that many sites who look into FACTCHECKING, said of those accusations that they were MOSTLY FALSE.

SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I WILL NOT GO OFF THE DEEP END ACCUSING SOMEONE OF SOMETHING SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU OR HAZ27 or anyone else says so.

Since you are already biased against Hillary, you would be disqualified from being a good witness. That is ..someone who tells the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me GOD. Since YOU were not there you can't do that. I would actually want to hear the WHOLE THING UNCUT, before I comment.
---kathr4453 on 10/25/17


Kathr, there is no video because the original recording was audio only, not a video tape. Also, the recording may sound "cut" because it was made from a series of interviews that Hillary had with the journalist between 1982 and 1987, in which they talked about other topics in addition to this case. Obviously the off topic conversation had to be cut, or else the tape would be several hours long, full of hours of off topic conversation about other things. Obviously, only the parts of the interviews relating to this case were included in the YouTube video.

In the tape, you can clearly hear Hillary laughing and boasting about getting the rapist off. Sickening that you are defending that now.
---ObamasBoy on 10/25/17


ObamasBoy:

A lawyer CANNOT recuse himself because he believes his client is guilty. Most court-appointed public defenders do. If they could recuse themselves for that, NO client would EVER have a public defender, since public defenders would ALWAYS recuse themselves. Our system of justice DEPENDS on both innocent and guilty getting the best defense.


Nicole_Lacey:

It's ironic that I believe Trump's words more than you do. The ONLY explanation "fire and fury" could have today is nuclear weapons.

We are not debating "maybe". This is something Trump ACTUALLY threatened. If he acts on it, we could lose the PLANET.

Even farmers know you need seeds today if you are going to eat tomorrow.
---StrongAxe on 10/25/17




Obamasboy, yes, I pulled up several on YouTube, and found them butchered, in other words, it sounded cut, jumpy, etc,. So with that no matter who it is, I take with a grain of salt. In today's day of altered pix, tapes, etc, especially when it's only video, and not both, just a pix of Hillary, it would never hold up itself in a court of law.

But like I said, I also looked on many sites that say the accusations are MOSTLY FALSE. IN THAT, THEY ALL AGREE.

I would say it might also compare to nothing more than Trumps "locker room talk", which YOU find nothing wrong with that....right??? Why the hypocricy? If she actually broke the law and the tapes proved it.....she would have been Disbarred .....was she? Why not?
---kathr4453 on 10/25/17


Kathr, did you even listen to the tape? Did you even read the transcript of the interview? Or did you just read a few liberal hack sites who said she didn't laugh? I listened to the tapes. She laughed throughout the interview and had a boastful tone as she bragged about what she had done. Also, no one claimed she volunteered. She was his court appointed public defender. However, that doesn't mean she shouldn't recuse herself citing ethical violations. That doesn't mean she didn't have a moral and ethical obligation to the truth. A moral person would quit their job before helping a rapist go free. If truth and justice doesn't supersede a win on your career record, then you are an unethical attourney, as well as an evil person in general.
---ObamasBoy on 10/25/17


StrongAxe: What ELSE can "fire and fury like the world has never seen" mean? We HAVE seen nukes, so it must be something significantly more devastating (e.g. lots of nukes).//

Do you see what I mean?

We are debating something a 'possible' 'maybe'.

We do know Trumb did NOT use the words 'Nuclear Weapons' with fire and fury statement.

Yet, we DO KNOW people are DYING NOW, DIED YESTERDAY and WILL DIE TOWORROW in ABORTIONS by the MILLIONS.

Can you FOCUS on that?

That's why I said you are too busy buying seeds when we need FOOD.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/25/17


AXE. The world knows Korean leader is a real threat.

He's seems worse than Hillary Clinton, who was such a threat to world peace that Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein said:
Get ready for war with Russia if Hillary Clinton is elected president......
This election, we are not only deciding what kind of world we will have, but whether we will have a world or not going forward


Stein warned that Hillary's trigger-happy militarism is a mushroom cloud waiting to happen

Stein also described Hillary as Queen of corruption and attacked Clinton for her questionable ties to (and funding from) Qatar and Saudi Arabia (renowned for their discrimination against women and their racism)
---Haz27 on 10/25/17


KATHR. A tape of the interview with Hillary where she LAUGHED at the lie detector test failing to expose her rapist client, and where she LAUGHED about the miscarriage of justice, is available on YouTube and also in the Special Collections Department of the University of Arkansas libraries.

The child rape victim (Kathy Shelton) tweeted the following about Hillary.

Hillary Clinton lied, terrorized, & mocked me, defending my rapist.

Hillary Clinton an advocate for women & children? Not even close. She terrorized me during my rape case & later laughed about it.

Hillary Clinton is a cold-hearted liar. The lies she told about me, 12 yr old rape victim, traumatized me nearly as much as the rape itself.
---Haz27 on 10/24/17




Nicole_Lacey:

What ELSE can "fire and fury like the world has never seen" mean? We HAVE seen nukes, so it must be something significantly more devastating (e.g. lots of nukes).

Earlier, he saw a chart of U.S. nukes over time, and said he wanted how many we had at the peak (the 60s) - 4000 now, 32000 then, so he wants to increase our nukes EIGHTFOLD. Why do that, if not to use them? What we have now is ALREADY enough to destroy all life.

I expect Iranian and North Korean leaders to rant and make threats they can't carry out. I don't expect that from American leaders (at least not before Trump) - and he CAN carry them out.


ObamasBoy:

Knowing your client is guilty is NOT a legal excuse for recusal.
---StrongAxe on 10/25/17


I looked this up on several sites which say this story is mostly FALSE.


WHAT'S FALSE
Hillary Clinton did not volunteer to be the defendant's lawyer, she did not laugh about the case's outcome, she did not assert that the complainant "made up the rape story," ...

She was appointed by a judge to take this case.


So even FAKE NEWS STORIES are told by those who hate Clinton and liberals.
---kathr4453 on 10/24/17


StrongAxe: Google:trump fire fury. "North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen... he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. They will be met with fire, fury.."//

That one I remember him saying which he WASN'T speaking about nuclear war.

How many times have you heard Iran say at the UN and in their own Country they WILL wiped Israel off the off of the earth?

Many times. They NEVER retracted their words. Obama has been helping them obtain nuclear weapons.

Can you put 2 to 2 together?

Yet, you are more worried about Trump instead of the real crazy Countries?

Other Citations given were fake news
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/24/17


StrngAxe, more lies! There are ethical guidelines that the lawyer has to abide by. They are not allowed to defend their client through any means they like. They must defend their client to the best of their ability, as ethical and legal constraints allow. You keep lying and saying she was required to lie. It is not required by law that the lawyer even take on the client at all! She could have refused the case, recused herself, or quit her job if it required her to lie and defend child rapists that she knows is guilty. What kind of evil person would do that? Apparently someone like you, who excuses it because "it's my job". Sickening.

Did the law also require her to laugh about getting the rapist off a decade later?
---ObamasBoy on 10/24/17


AXE. Again you deflect from the darkness of fellow Leftists.

Journalist Roy Reed interviewed Hillary where she LAUGHED about how lie detector test failed to expose the rapist she defended. She also LAUGHED about saving the child rapist.

Remember Hillary was fired from House Judiciary committee. Her supervisor said Hillary was an UNETHICAL, DISHONEST LAWYER.....

Don't forget how Clinton's misused the IRS to target political opponents.
And we all know her bullying of Bill's rape victims.
And remember plundergate, when Clinton's looted & vandalized White House when Bush took office?
And we all know her lies about being under sniper fire in Bosnia.
And don't forget Benghazi.


---Haz27 on 10/24/17


ObamasBoy:

It's REQUIRED BY LAW for a defender to defend a client to the best of his/her ability. If you don't like that law, feel free to lobby your lawmakers to change the constitution that requires it, or move to another country whose laws are more to your liking.

There are countries where laws are subordinate to religious principles. Those countries are Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc. Perhaps you would like those more?
---StrongAxe on 10/23/17


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In other words StrngAxe, it was okay for Hillary Clinton to place her career and winning above truth and justice and defend a rapist she knew to be guilty, getting him off without punishment. It was also okay for her to attack the credibility of the 12 year old victim during the trial and tell the victim that she "wanted it"?

She could have done the right thing and recused herself, or quit.
---ObamasBoy on 10/23/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Google: trump fire fury
"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen ... he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before."

Google: trump nukes "why can't we use them"
Trump's "Nukes. If we have them, why can't we use them?" is a quote reported by Joe Scarborough, which unfortunately doesn't have third party corroboration.

Google: trump nuke isis
On July 20, Trump proposed building thousands of more nuclear weapons (8x as many as we already have).
---StrongAxe on 10/23/17


StrongAxe, I understand it is hard to answer many people who hit you all at once.

What I am saying is that is seems so ODD that you are so concerned about Nuclear War that might not every happen when MILLIONS are DYING via abortion every year.

It is estimated that at LEAST 50 MILLION abortions occur EACH YEAR world wide.

People always accuse you of supporting abortion (wrongly) because you are so silent on the matter or support Candidates that support abortion.

You speak about Christian's voting records when you need to examine your own voting record.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/23/17


It is not true that defense attorneys must recuse themselves if they know their client is guilty. If that were the case, OJ Simpson would not have had the defense team he had.

In any case, lawyers can say whatever they want in court. They are defending their clients, they are not giving testimony.
---Loony1 on 10/23/17


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ObamasBoy:

As an officer of the court, an attorney may not make a statement of FACT he knows to be falseto a judge. He cannot say "Bob didn't stab the clerk" if he knows he did. However, lawyers don't testify to matters of fact, just to matters of law. He CAN say "Bob is not guilty of murder", because guilt or innocence of a crime is NOT a matter of FACT, but an OPINION rendered by the court, and is hence subjective. This is why we have judges and juries who subjectively rule on cases, rather than having computers to objectively rule on them.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved lives. Total nuclear war would not - it would destroy the planet.

Nicole: Too little space to answer two people at once.
---StrongAxe on 10/23/17


StrongAxe, that is a lie. If a defense attourney knows their client to be guilty they are ethically obligated to recuse themselves from the case or to tell the truth. An attourney may not lie to a judge or jury by stating that the dedendant did not do something the lawyer knows the defendant did do.
---ObamasBoy on 10/23/17


Obamaboy, OJ was set free too, even though I believe some on his dream team believed he was guilty. The problem then lies with MAYBE HOW our legal system is set up. There are things that I find outrageous. To me if anyone has a pattern or record of anything ....IT SHOULD ALL BE PRESENTED, but that's just my opinion.

Hillary only followed the law. And in doing so many defense attorneys just abide by the LAWS put in place. I don't think Hillary is responsible FOR those loop holes or whatever you want to call them. Don't get me wrong....that does not mean I like Hillary. Petition to have the LAWS changed. Let's start with the AFFULENZA defense .....a total load of RAP with a capital C.
---kathr4453 on 10/23/17


Apparently, StronhAxe is too simple minded to grasp the concept of war actually saving lives. His small mind only sees the lives that are taken in battle, never the lives saved by the war. His rhetoric here is reminiscent of the idiots who lament about the evils of the US using atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, failing to understand that that single decision, whole killing 200,000 people, saved millions more, because it ended the war. It is impossible to know how many millions of people would have perished if allied forces would have invaded Japan, or even worse, lost the war. But we can be sure it would have been many, many times greater than the 200,000 claimed by the two bombs.
---ObamasBoy on 10/23/17


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StrongAxe: please, citation, citation, and more citation.

And don't tell me how you don't have enough space. Just cut your quote short and cite your source.

//We HAVE seen Hiroshima and Nagasaki, so this must be WORSE.//

70 years ago and it ENDED the WORST WAR IN HISTORY!

//Trump is an immature child prone to throwing temper tantrums whenever he doesn't get his way.//

Strange? It seems he is getting his way in EVERYTHING!

It you all throwing temper tantrums in all forms of medias, schools and now in the sport arena.

//the way we survive is to not hedonistically live for today only, but to plan for tomorrow.//

WHAT? So way are you buying seeds when we are starving today?

BUY FOOD
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/23/17


ObamasBoy:

The U.S. legal system is adversarial. Prosecution presents evidence for conviction, and defense is LEGALLY AND ETHICALLY OBLIGATED to present evidence for acquittal, even if he knows or believes accused is guilty. Defendants would not have the right to a legal defense if lawyers who believed they were guilty could refuse to defend, or give any less than their best defense.

Similarly, courts are REQUIRED to ignore improperly obtained evidence, even if it PROVES guilt - because NOT doing so would undermine protections against illegal search and siezure, e.g. torture.

The principle is that it is better for ten guilty people to go free than for one innocent person to be convicted.
---StrongAxe on 10/22/17


Nicole_Lacey:

During pre-election briefings, Trump said, "We have nukes. Why don't we use them?".

On August 8, Trump warned North Korea will be met with "fire and fury like the world has never seen". We HAVE seen Hiroshima and Nagasaki, so this must be WORSE.

This is not a "made up wishful scenario", but things Trump ACTUALLY said. This is not imaginary.

Trump is an immature child prone to throwing temper tantrums whenever he doesn't get his way. His playpen toys include the nuclear football. The entire world should rightly be shaking in its boots.

No, nukes aren't killing people TODAY, but the way we survive is to not hedonistically live for today only, but to plan for tomorrow.
---StrongAxe on 10/22/17


Kathr, the recordings can be found on YouTube. It is an interview from the 1980s with Arkansas reporter Roy Reed where Hillary recounts (boastfully) the 1975 case where she successfully defended a 41 year old man named Thomas Alfred Taylor who was accused of raping a 12-year old girl. In the interview, Hillary laughs about knowing Taylor was guilty at the time, but that she used a legal technicality to plead the rapist, who faced 30 years in prison, down to a lesser charge resulting in his immediate release. The rapist spent less than a year in jail awaiting trial. Both the recordings and transcript as well as court documents pertaining to the case are archived at the University of Arkansas and are widley available on the internet.
---ObamasBoy on 10/22/17


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StrongAxe, you are not afraid of a nuclear war.

If you were afraid you wouldn't have voted for the ONLY CANDIDATE (Hillary) that sold 20% of our uranium to the Russians.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/22/17


StrongAxe: Do you expect us to vote for the Candidate who is FOR nuclear war?//

Which Candidate wanted nuclear war?

I NEVER heard any candidate claim they wanted nuclear war! None!

Stop making stuff up!

Please debate with reality.

I will not debate made up wishful scenarios with you.

//If abortion kills millions, nuclear war kills tens of millions. Do the math.//

100 million vs 0 since NO CANDIDATE spoke of nuclear war.

Now can you FOCUS on the MASSACRE occurring TODAY and NOT a possible massacre tomorrow?

Do the REAL math. Not imaginary math.

Aboration is KILLING people TODAY.

Nuclear War ISN'T killing anyone TODAY.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/22/17


2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, (MEANING NO SELF CONTROL WE SEE DAY IN AND DAY OUT)))...fierce, despisers of those that are good, ( HIS OWN PARTY) 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God,

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away..

This describes Trump to a T.
---kathr4453 on 10/22/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Do you expect us to vote for the Candidate who is FOR nuclear war? If abortion kills millions, nuclear war kills tens of millions. Do the math.

During the campaign, Trump boasted of grabbing women by the privates, and hitting on some women, even though they were married, but unfortunately they resisted his advances. He also boasted that he ran beauty pageants so he could walk through the women's dressing rooms to ogle them changing - and some of those contestants were as young as 16. Ogling naked 16 year old girls is by definition child sexual abuse. He said he could do these things because he was a celebrity, and celebrities can get away with anything.
---StrongAxe on 10/21/17


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If there is beauty discrimination, it is not confined to Homo sapiens sapiens.

Experiments were made with mating birds by fastening artificial crests on the heads of some male birds, but not of others.

It was observed that the crested males found more mates than their plainer brothers.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/21/17


Obamasboy, can you direct us all to her bragging statement that she claims to own?

There's lying and deceit on all sides of the aisle. But I think what Strongaxe is saying, I may be wrong, is that Falwell Jr and the Christian community DID NOT OPENLY ENDORSE HILLARY CLINTON. THEY ENDORSED DONALD TRUMP

That's the difference Obamasboy. And not only Falwell Jr, but the heretic Paula White, who lays hands on Trump and has for the past 10 years. Maybe that's why Trump is so off the rails, ..he might be demon possessed by a demon possessed charismatic heretic who lies and steals from ignorant people. But she's WEALTHY, like Trump, so he can't see she's a LOSER.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/17


StrongAxe: There is a meme going around that questions how Christians could vote on moral grounds for a man who not only does, but actually BOASTS abot lying, cheating on business deals, adultery, and child molestation.//

Cite the ACTUAL boasting of child molestation?

Why isn't he in jail? There's no statute of limitation for child molestation.

That's why NO one believes you all because you all EXAGGERATE with ridiculous claims.

//Trump has expressed willingness and even EAGERNESS to use nuclear weapons.//

SEE? Cite that. You made that up as well.

Plus you all are NOT logical.

Do you expect us to vote for the Candidate who is for abortion and not for the Candidate against abortion?
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/21/17


Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

Ephesians 4:32
---Loony1 on 10/21/17


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ObamasBoy:

In JESUS'S own words, nobody who has a beam in his eye has the right to judge someone else who has a speck in his eye. Do the math.

I wonder, did you vote for the woman who bragged about getting a child rapist who she knew to be guilty out of his punishment?

No, and if you paid attention, you would know this.
---StrongAxe on 10/21/17


"There is a meme going around that questions how Christians could vote on moral grounds for a man who not only does, but actually BOASTS abot lying, cheating on business deals, adultery, and child molestation." ---StrongAxe on 10/20/17

In your own words, StrongAxe, anyone who bears false witness has no place lecturing anyone on morality... ever. I wonder, did you vote for the woman who bragged about getting a child rapist who she knew to be guilty out of his punishment?


---ObamasBoy on 10/21/17


My standing IN CHRIST is that IN HIM I am perfect, ONLY because He is Perfect.
---kathr4453 on 10/20/17

Amen to that statement.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/20/17


Kathr: We all know the Catholic Church teaches a WORKS salvation.//

'We' as only Protestants believe that of Catholics.

Its not in the CCC. Find it and CITE the number! Back up your words.

But you all LOVE to ignore James 2!

AGAIN EXPLAIN MATTHEW 25. JESUS IS CLEAR!

If you don't provide ACTIONABLE things for your brother you GO TO HELL! PERIOD!

//And We all know Nicole continues the teaching of the Catholic Churches WORKS//

I cut you off at 'WORKS' because the Catholic Churches does JESUS' WORKS and proud of it.

//They deny the FINISHED WORKS OF CHRIST.--kathr

Really?

You are having a hard time explaining Jesus' dead on the cross in another blog.

Focus on one battle.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/20/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: But MOST CHRISTIANS voted for Trump (me included) did so for the Supreme Court Nominee over one SINGLE ISSUE: ABORTION

There is a meme going around that questions how Christians could vote on moral grounds for a man who not only does, but actually BOASTS abot lying, cheating on business deals, adultery, and child molestation.

Trump has expressed willingness and even EAGERNESS to use nuclear weapons. He has as much as threatened North Korea with them. If he starts world war 3, how many unborn children, born children, adults, and everyone else will die? The casualties in a nuclear world war would dwarf the casualties from all the abortions in the world combined.
---StrongAxe on 10/20/17


Perfection is demanded of us from God. No excuses
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/19/17

Wrong again. 7 is equated to perfection in Gods eyes. Falling short is 6 also equals unregenerate man or just the number of man. Now we know the ONLY one who is PERCECT Is the Lord....A 7. And scripture says we are perfected forever those who are SANCTIFIED IN CHRIST. Hebrews 10. My standing IN CHRIST is that IN HIM I am perfect, ONLY because He is Perfect.

Perfect IN CHRIST is also what it is to be COMPLETE In Christ, again what 7 again means.

We all know the Catholic Church teaches a WORKS salvation. And We all know Nicole continues the teaching of the Catholic Churches WORKS Salvation.

They deny the FINISHED WORKS OF CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 10/20/17


StrongAxe: There are many things Christians want that aren't happening (e.g. end of all abortions).
3) Therefore, not a single Christian in the world believes enough, or it would end.//

No, maybe you as a Christian BELIEVE it will not end.

But MOST CHRISTIANS voted for Trump (me included) did so for the Supreme Court Nominee over one SINGLE ISSUE: ABORTION

Because we KNOW all things are POSSIBLE with God including ending Abortion.

Kathr, Heaven is our reward. Matthew 25 DOESN'T speak about goodies in Heaven, but Heaven Herself.

//do wonderful works, but do not believe Jesus died for their sin.//

What works in your mind that are sinful, but still wonderful?-
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/20/17


I do not believe in once-saved-always-saved. However, I also don't believe works will keep you in or out of heaven or hell. I think it has more to do with the condition of your heart. Every person sins, and there is not one who doesn't. If you claim you don't, then you are already sinning by lying. If a person loves God and genuinely tries to please Him and live a holy life, I do not believe their sins will keep them out of heaven. I think in order to lose your salvation you must totally rejected God and godliness. If a person who was once saved later rejects God and turns their back on any attempt at godliness, then I don't think a prayer they said as an 8 year old in Sunday school still makes them a Christian while they reject God.
---ObamasBoy on 10/20/17


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I am really more interested in people's conduct than in their dogma.
---Loony1 on 10/20/17


Natural law will determine one's eternal destiny.

Our works of charity/conduct or lack of them are used by Jesus.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/19/17

Our works may determine our REWARDS in heaven, but not our eternal destiny. Our eternal life is based on JESUS FINISHED WORKS ON THE CROSS not our works.

There are many wonderful Hindu etc, who I'm sure do wonderful works, but do not believe Jesus died for their sin.

If man could work their way to heaven ...(our eternal destiny) , then Jesus died in vain.

Surprised Loony1 would encourage apostasy doctrine here ....hummm
---kathr4453 on 10/20/17


ax: "NOBODY can fulfil the law."

Your Bible must be faulty. Mine does not say that. Please cite chapter and verse.

Jesus did indeed fulfill the law on the cross.

There are not 613 commandments - there are only TEN. The others are handwriting of ordinances.



---Jerry6593 on 10/20/17


Nicole

I tend to agree with you more than I disagree. I guess I was was saying what most Evangelical Christians believe. But perhaps I'm wrong and I have heard from the wrong people. But I know that I'm much more hopeful than most Evangelical Christians regarding the fate of humanity.
---Loony1 on 10/19/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: You seem to DISAGREE with Jesus in Mark 9:23, the Archangel Gabriel in Luke 1:37 and Paul in Phillipians 4:13?

No, I don't disagree with them. Here is what those scriptures say, and what they imply:

Mark 9:23 (also Philippians 4:13):
1) "All things are possible to him that believes."
2) There are many things Christians want that aren't happening (e.g. end of all abortions).
3) Therefore, not a single Christian in the world believes enough, or it would end.

Luke 1:37:
1) "For with God nothing shall be impossible."
2) There is much evil and suffering in the world.
3) Therefore, God must not want evil and suffering to end, or he would end it.
---StrongAxe on 10/19/17


StrongAxe: Any law IMPOSSIBLE for ANYONE to obey is by very definition unrealistic, as there is no real situation where it can be obeyed.//

It is NOT impossible to keep any law.

It only demands the will to keep any law.

Name a law that is IMPOSSIBLE to keep?

Is it hard not to kill, steal, cheat on one's spouse?

Love for God will make it POSSIBLE not to kill, steal and to be faithful to one's spouse.

As far as any business operation goes: if any standards are kept low, thus the product will be of poor quality.

Not making the 100% mark doesn't mean there SHOULDN'T be a 100% mark to obtain.

PERFECTION is demanded of us from God. No excuses
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/19/17


Loony: Something must happen to save them or they will go to hell automatically. It has nothing to do with choosing.//

Not according to Matthew 16:27 and chapter 25.

Natural law will determine one's eternal destiny.

Our works of charity/conduct or lack of them are used by Jesus.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/19/17


StrongAxe: PLEASE learn to think outside the "everything is entirely black or white" box.//

No you need to REMEMBER what YOU WROTE and keep to the words

***God's expectations are unrealistically high. Do YOU expect it from everyone as well, and condemn them all if they don't live up to those expectations?---StrongAxe

The 'it' in the middle of YOUR statement is speaking about God's expectation NOT my expectation. Then you ask if I agreed with God then our (God's and me) expectations would Condemn people.

I am NOT God, but I agree with Him.

You seem to DISAGREE with Jesus in Mark 9:23, the Archangel Gabriel in Luke 1:37 and Paul in Phillipians 4:13?

How can They all be WRONG and you right?
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/19/17


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The Ten are unnecessary FOR US, because if we obey the Two, we ALREADY avoid murder, theft, adultery, etc.
---StrongAxe on 10/19/17

Amen, to that statement.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/19/17


Jerry6593:

I'm not judging God. I'm quoting what the Bible ITSELF says - NOBODY can fulfil the law. Who wrote the Bible? Satan, or God?

Any law IMPOSSIBLE for ANYONE to obey is by very definition unrealistic, as there is no real situation where it can be obeyed. How long do you think any business would stay in operation if its inspection criteria rejected 100% of products as unsuitable for sale? Such a business would be unrealistic.

I do not DESPISE God's commandments. STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH. All I say is God's 613 commandments, while perfectly fine, were given to the Jews. The Ten are unnecessary FOR US, because if we obey the Two, we ALREADY avoid murder, theft, adultery, etc.
---StrongAxe on 10/19/17


ax: "God's expectations are unrealistically high."

Now you sound like Satan. Who are you to judge God? It is no wonder that you despise God's Commandments.



---Jerry6593 on 10/19/17


Nicole_Lacey:

What do you mean by 'condemn' if NOT hell?

Most of the messages on these blogs contain one kind of condemnation or other. These are rebuke, as in "you should not be doing this". These are not damnations, as in "may God consign you to eternal torment for what you have done". There is a BIG difference between the two. PLEASE learn to think outside the "everything is entirely black or white" box.
---StrongAxe on 10/18/17


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The way I hear it from most Christians is, people go to Hell by default. Something must happen to save them or they will go to hell automatically. It has nothing to do with choosing.
---Loony1 on 10/18/17


StrongAxe: Nobody mentioned hell. We're not talking about hell, but about discrimination. This is getting VERY far off topic.//

REALLY?

You go OFF topic and I my response to YOUR off topic statement makes me going off topic???

****Me: God expects that of every single person.

You: If God expects that from everyone, and it's impossible for virtually everyone, God's expectations are unrealistically high. Do YOU expect it from everyone as well, and CONDEMN them all if they don't live up to those expectations?---StrongAxeon 10/17/17

What do you mean by 'condemn' if NOT hell?
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/18/17


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: If they REFUSE to trust Jesus then it is their choice to go to hell not God's cholice

Nobody mentioned hell. We're not talking about hell, but about discrimination. This is getting VERY far off topic.
---StrongAxe on 10/18/17


StrongAxe, sorry, I meant to say they hide their pains from the families by smiling.

If God expects that from everyone, and it's impossible for virtually everyone, God's expectations are unrealistically high.//

No that's why He sent His Son for His Graces to assist us to do the impossible.

//Do YOU expect it from everyone as well, and condemn them all if they don't live up to those expectations?//

If they REFUSE to trust Jesus then it is their choice to go to hell not God's cholice

//but he DID question God's judgment.--StrongAxe

No you said he argued with God. I said he was questioning God
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/17/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: They know patients hide their smiles from their families.

Earlier: I have seen patient in pain, but hide it when their family visits to make them feel better.

These two statements directly contradict each other. In one, patients smile and hide their pain from their families. In the other, they hide their smiles from their families?

God expects that of every single person.

If God expects that from everyone, and it's impossible for virtually everyone, God's expectations are unrealistically high. Do YOU expect it from everyone as well, and condemn them all if they don't live up to those expectations?

I didn't say Job sinned, but he DID question God's judgment.
---StrongAxe on 10/17/17


StrongAxe, no because the Doctors are made aware of the reason for the smiling. They know patients hide their smiles from their families.

Now if patients whimper in pain while the Doctor examines them, but smiles afterwards are DENIED pain meds.

//Job was a rare exception, a pillar of virtue and morality.//

WHY NOT? God did when He boasted to Satan.

//You can hardly expect every single person on the planet to live up to his lofty ideals.//

ME?

No God expects that of every single person.

//And even Job eventually broke and argued with God.---StrongAxe

Not according to the Bible. Job was questioning God not arguing.

The Bible claims he NEVER SINNED AGAINST GOD during his pain. Job 42
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/17/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Do you mean to tell me that patients who whimper in pain, but manage to smile for a bit while family visit, then go back to whimpering in pain again, get denied pain medication?

Job was a rare exception, a pillar of virtue and morality. That is the whole reason Satan attacked him in the first place. You can hardly expect every single person on the planet to live up to his lofty ideals. And even Job eventually broke and argued with God.
---StrongAxe on 10/17/17


StrongAxe: They don't care if you're bitter inside, just don't show it to your customers.//

Exactly! But I NEVER seen a bitter person NOT SHOW their bitterness. They can't help it.

Happy person CAN'T help but SHOWING his happiness.

//If you are smiling or laughing, your pain is obviously not overbearing, so doctors are right to take that into consideration.//
WRONG, in the convent I was thought how to SMILE while in pain.

I have seen patient in pain, but hide it when their family visits to make them feel better.

//People whom life has kicked around sufficiently much often develop bitter attitudes. (See Paul McCartney's song, "Live and let die").---StrongAxe

READ the book of JOB instead.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/16/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

Wearing shirts and shoes is a matter of hygeine, not outer or inner ugliness.

Signs saying "smile" ENCOURAGE inner beauty, but don't ENFORCE it. They say "smile", not "smile or get out".

Requiring EMPLOYEES to smile is acting, putting on an appearance for customer service, like wearing a uniform. They don't care if you're bitter inside, just don't show it to your customers.

If you are smiling or laughing, your pain is obviously not overbearing, so doctors are right to take that into consideration.

People whom life has kicked around sufficiently much often develop bitter attitudes. (See Paul McCartney's song, "Live and let die").
---StrongAxe on 10/15/17


Yes, Nicole >

"Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them." (Colossians 3:19)

To me, this means there is no excuse for any bitterness.
---Bill on 10/15/17


StrongAxe, I have seen signs on business that said 'No Shirt No Service' Signs saying 'Smile'.

Signs saying 'Business with a smile'

I even saw one that said to tell a manager if your waiter didn't smile while serving you.

Employees ARE INSTRUCTED TO SMILE or get fired!

//Can you imagine if a hospital ER didn't accept patients who weren't beautiful? (Too bad for burn victims!).//

WHAT? NO

But I have personally witnessed Doctors DENY PAIN medication to patients who were smiling too much, laughing or in a good mood.

//they may have a very good reason that you probably know nothing about//

I think you are confusing 'bitter' with 'being sad'

NO GOOD REASON TO BE BITTER! NONE
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/15/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Just try to rent apartments and say "bitter people need not apply". Just try running a store and saying "frowny people keep out". Just try to run a business and only hire people who smile.

I had already mentioned that certain industries whose very basis is vanity (e.g. modeling, film) naturally discriminate based on vain attributes like looks, but you CAN'T do so for essential services. Can you imagine if a hospital ER didn't accept patients who weren't beautiful? (Too bad for burn victims!).

Also, "inner ugliness" is also in the eye of the beholder. If someone is bitter or untrusting, they may have a very good reason that you probably know nothing about.
---StrongAxe on 10/15/17


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Mike: Fame makes the unattractive look attractive.//

AMEN!

They also said St. Francis was unattractive but attractived so many even TODAY 800 years later.

Mother Teresa was the MOST photographed woman in the world. Even more than Princess Diana who was extremely beautiful.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/15/17


Fame makes the unattractive look attractive. Of Jesus, Isaiah said there was nothing about his appearance that would attract us to him. When people become popular for one gift or another or popular for one reason or another, then people like associating with them even though they are not physically beautiful.
---mike4879 on 10/14/17


StrongAxe: Saying "I won't sell to bitter people" is just as wrong as "I won't sell to ugly people".

WHAT? NO IT ISN'T!

Discrimination is BASED on something someone doesn't have control over.

You CAN change your bitter attitude, but you can not change your ugliness.

Besides, ugliness is determined by the eye of the beholder.
I know because my sister was part of a famous McDonalds lawsuit case in Alabama dubbed as the ugly lawsuit.

Since the lady was married the Judge toss the case out stating being ugly isn't a reason and there was PROOF someone didn't think she was ulgy - 'her husband'.

Plus, if it was a discrimination factor then modeling operations discriminates the most.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/14/17


Strongaxe, My sentiments exactly. Although discrimination based on appearance is unfair and unwarranted, and is applied in marriage, relationships, and even, unfortunately, employment opportunities due to the sensual nature of man, the two cannot be compared, honestly, except to acknowledge that they are both a show of prejudicial partiality.
---Josef on 10/14/17


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StrongAxe, yes, you are absolutely right about that. When I wrote that, I was thinking in terms of hiring people, or making friends, rather than business transactions. But you are right. No argument at all.
---Loony1 on 10/14/17


Yes, some discriminate based on vanity, and even some vanity-based industries (e.g. modeling, filmmaking) do, but you don't find systematic discrimination on such grounds in essential services. No "we rent only to beautiful people", stores with "ugly people stay out", restaurants with "no cuteness, no service", hospitals that refuse to treat ugly people, "ugly people to the back of the bus", or separate drinking fountains and washrooms for ugly people - yet ALL of those have existed to discriminate against blacks and other racial minorities.


Loony1:

Even that would be wrong. Saying "I won't sell to bitter people" is just as wrong as "I won't sell to ugly people".
---StrongAxe on 10/13/17


If we could discriminate between the INNER beauty and the INNER ugliness of people, that would be a better type of discrimination...
---Loony1 on 10/13/17


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