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Criminalize Christian Beliefs

American Airlines, Best Buy, Google, Target and many others are pushing hard for national laws to criminalize christian beliefs and federalize transgender rights. (U.S. House Resolution 2282)

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And you're conveniently blind to the oppressive tyranny of the right, and deceitful propaganda of right-wing fake news (e.g. Fox). Don't criticize the speck in other eyes before removing the beam in yours.

"It's obvious that..." is handwaving used when one has no proof.

(I'm still waiting for Steveng to weigh in on the topic he created...)
---StrongAxe on 10/23/17

Personal attacks are unseemly.
---Loony1 on 10/23/17

AXE. Instead of relying upon the Left's victim card tactic, I suggest you note that just like the RCC of old that you demonize, today its the hypocritical totalitarian Left who dominate the most powerful, influential institutions of society (mainstream media, Hollywood, universities, politics, etc), and thus it's they who dictate and police PC thought control.

Thought crimes of not being PC are policed and penalized throughout the West, but especially in Germany, U.K, Sweden, France.

Maybe it's time you took the red pill to see that you are in fact standing with the totalitarian bullies of today.

---Haz27 on 10/24/17

AXE. You're conveniently blind to the oppressive PC tyranny of your side of politics, their terrorist arms ANTIFA, BLM, and their deceitful propaganda outlets the Fake News media, Hollywood, universities, etc.

Sadly you even remain silent on the Christian hating Left's push for easier baby murder, and it's racism, sexism, etc unless confronted about it.

Instead you attack the lessor evil, right side of politics.

It's obvious that the totalitarian Left who dominate so many institutions throughout the West are the biggest threat (apart from the Left's comrades, totalitarian Islam) to our rights and freedoms. I suggest you stand against opressive totalitarians instead of standing with them.

---Haz27 on 10/23/17

Many politicians and politically active people, both right and left, are evil and deceitful. I stay out of politics as much as I can. It just breeds hatred and ugliness.
---Loony1 on 10/23/17


Are you even capable of making statements without slathering them in personal attacks and pejorative terms? I believe you probably can, but have yet to see any.

The hypocritical, virtue-spouting Right have such a massive record of deceit and evil that the substantiated accusations from us liberals here are all well deserved.

Your attacks against the left are the usual discredited propaganda that the bigoted Right (who dominate the political right and evangelical right) always peddle.

(See how that sounds when reversed? Say unto others as you would have them say unto you.)
---StrongAxe on 10/23/17

But AXE.....the hypocritical, virtue signalling Left have such a massive record of deceit and evil that the substantiated accusations from we conservatives here are all well deserved.

Your accusations against conservatives, however, have been the usual, discredited propaganda that the bigoted Left (who dominate the biggest public megaphones, the media, Hollywood, politics and universities) always peddle.

BTW, I have no idea how the big space got on those 2 posts as I had no reason to push enter multiple times. I often do much editing to fit CN word limits, but even there I can't see how I could have pushed enter multiple times at end of post. But thanks for letting me know about how it could possibly arise.
---Haz27 on 10/23/17


Settle down?! Pot. Kettle. Black. *I* am not the one who hurls accusations at people here in almost every single post.

Scroll down to look at your last post below this one, ending in " voting DEMs for 200 yrs." followed by 15 blank lines. If you hit Enter many times at the bottom of your post, that empty space gets posted. I have seen you do this at least twice in the past several days, so I assumed it was deliberate. If it was inadvertent, I apologize for misconstruing it so.
---StrongAxe on 10/23/17

AXE. Please settle down. Your last post is coming across as a frustrated retort due to being confronted with too many unsettling facts.

I have no idea how to add that space below a post, nor do I have any inclination to ever do so. I struggle even just to get my message across in CN's word limits so I'd hardly waste it with empty space.

Instead of lashing out like that I suggest you either offer reasoned, fact based argument, or else avoid topics that you cannot substantiate your position on.
---Haz27 on 10/22/17

If abortion is guaranteed ticket to heaven, then why is it so bad, considering that if the baby becomes an adult, there's a good chance he won't go to heaven? Just curious...
---Loony1 on 10/22/17


That you (and many others) believes this shows just how biased and extreme you are, considering moderates to be extremists. This is cultic thinking.

It isn't Democrats who go around and actually want people of different races or beliefs to be KILLED. If you look at the kinds of people who have been making such statements recently, ESPECIALLY politicians who are have the power to make public policy, it has been predominantly Republicans.


Your constant whining about "leftist propaganda" gets tiresome. And stop adding a screenfull of white space to the end of your posts just to highlight them and forcing everyone to scroll. That's just narcissistic and rude.
---StrongAxe on 10/22/17

Obamasboy. True. The Left cause division and hate. Its the DIVIDE AND RULE strategy, hence their divisive identity politics.

The Left's racism, sexism, gender PC discrimination, LGBTQI agenda, mass Muslim immigration with its resultant terrorism and Islamist supremacism, etc, are all part of the identity politics of a divide and rule strategy.
---Haz27 on 10/22/17

Loony: Do you think aborted babies go to heaven?//


Not only aborted babies, but all babies. Even those not baptized on earth.

We don't know how, it is a mystery. We do know that God is Merciful.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/22/17

I pray daily for all children who have died suddenly on that day, and ask God to give them the grace of Baptism.

If this does not happen, it won't be because I didn't pray for them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/22/17


Do you think aborted babies go to heaven?
---Loony1 on 10/22/17

Loony: What becomes of the souls of aborted babies?//

Some Theologians claim they were baptized in their own blood as the Holy Innocents in Matthew 2:16-18
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/22/17

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Hang in there.. :)
---Loony1 on 10/22/17

Society has shifted so far leftward that what is considered "the center" now is actually far left. And that is called "right wing" is actually just common sense normal thinking. Anything considered to be left of center is downright a mental nutcase at this point. The Democrats party is as racist now, if not more so, than they have ever been. They just refuse to admit that racism is racism, no matter which flavor it favors. The Democrats party has always been about class warfare and dividing races. Now that they can no longer acheive that by oppressing blacks, they have taken to oppressing whites. It's doesn't matter much to them who is getting oppressed as long as they are able to divide and cause hate.
---ObamasBoy on 10/22/17

AXE. Because you always repeat Left's propaganda, thus I repeat you're brainwashed by far Left, as Communist defectors academic David Horowitz & KGB operative Yuri Bezmanov said.

The BIG SWITCH you always rely on to justify your Leftism, is known also as the BIG LIE.

In 1960's all but one (Strom Thurmond) Dixiecrat REMAINED with DEMs, home of KKK.
The DEMs were enslavers of blacks. And like their plantations long ago, we see today DEMs governed cities have similar run down living conditions, families in disarray, with no hope to advance.

US President Johnson said after civil rights act that his DEMs will have them Ni**gers voting DEMs for 200 yrs.

---Haz27 on 10/22/17

StrongAxe. Study scripture to see Christ is SPIRITUAL food/drink (1Cor 10:3,4), and the lost lack this.
The lost also lack garment of salvation (Isa 61:10), thus they're SPIRITUALLY naked (2Cor 5:2,3). James 2:16 refers to preach gospel.

As for Matt 10:42 you referred to about the cup of cold water, that too speaks of (preaching word of God) good news, from a far country (kingdom of God), to the thirsty soul (thirsting for JC, 1Cor 10:4). See Prov 25:25.

The doctrine you offer is flawed. It neglects cross referencing with other scripture to define terms in God's way. Also your doctrine suggests that those who reject Christ are still saved simply because they offered physical food/drink to a physically needy person.
---Haz27 on 10/22/17

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BEFORE the 1960s, Democrats were the party of racists, KKK, white supremacists, etc. and Republicans were the party of progressives. The 1956 Republican platform is just like Democratic party platforms today. Since the 1960s, these roles have been reversed. TODAY, white supremacists, KKK, Neo-nazis, etc. are all REPUBLICANS. Wake up and smell the 60s!

I heard you about Yuri Bezmanov the first six times.

Jesus said ANYONE who gave one of his a glass of water would have his reward. There were no conditions on that (e.g. that they have to believe something specific first).

I go by what God says in scripture, rather than pulling tortured explanations from my head to render scripture void like the Pharisees did.
---StrongAxe on 10/21/17

What becomes of the souls of aborted babies?
---Loony1 on 10/21/17

AXE. We've already exposed the factual links of KKK, white supremacy, Nazism, to DEMs.
And of course Left's Fake News media push propaganda lies trying to link these now insignificant despised Leftist groups to Trump. The Fake News misleading link is simply a shared national pride, no different than what Ghandi, Stalin, Churchill, etc called upon.

Your political views suggests KGB Communist defector, Yuri Bezmanov, was correct saying those brainwashed by the far Left will never accept reality.

As even Atheists, Muslims, etc also feed, clothe the needy then by your understanding of Matt 25 they must be sheep (Christians) too.
I suggest you think spiritually, seeing who God defines as hungry, thirsty, naked, strangers, etc.
---Haz27 on 10/21/17

StrongAxe: Yes it doesEXACTLY means that genocide by totalitarians DOES EXCUSE genocide by Christians. What other possible interpretation are we supposed to draw fromYes it does??//

Yes you are CORRECT.

It was a poor way of answering your statment. Because not even one MILLION OF died in the last century by Christians.

Not even a 100 WERE killed in the NAME of Christianity last century.

Can you be honest to say you were wrong when you said millions of Native Americans were killed by the Settlers.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/21/17

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You write: your left of center makes you far Left.

Stop telling me what I believe. You don't know me. You only know what I post on here, which is the tip of the iceberg.

It is not propaganda. KKK, Neo-nazis, white supremacists, condefederate supports all ADMITTEDLY support Trump and various right-wing causes, like the NRA.

Yes, scripture is spiritually discerned, yet Jesus specifically condemns those who respond to physical problems with spiritual solutions (e.g. if someone is hungry, you wish him well or pray for him instead of feeding him).

As for judging, note how often Jesus judged the Pharisees, vs. how often he viewed the murderous pagan Romans (i.e. never).
---StrongAxe on 10/21/17

I was interested to find out that there is an organization called Democrats for Life of America (DFLA), a 501(c)(4) American political advocacy nonprofit organization that seeks to elect pro-life Democrats and to encourage the Democratic Party to oppose euthanasia, capital punishment and abortion.
---Loony1 on 10/20/17

AXE. Considering political spectrum shifted so far left over past decades, your left of center makes you far Left.

You demonize conservatives repeating Left's propaganda such as linking KKK to Trump (and thus his supporters), and alleging conservatives lack compassion.
BTW, these examples are just the Left's projection of their own faults.

Re Matt 25, scripture is SPIRITUALLY discerned (1Cor 2:14). Thus the spiritually naked are those lacking garment of salvation (Isa 61:10). Hungry/thirsty lack Christ our spiritual food/drink (1Cor 10:3,4). See Eph 2:12 on who are strangers. Matt 25 sheep preached gospel to the lost.

As for judging ourselves, I guess you mean 2Cor 13:5, but that refers to fight of faith.
---Haz27 on 10/21/17

"The casualties in a nuclear world war would dwarf the casualties from all the abortions in the world combined."
---StrongAxe on 10/20/17

This is factually incorrect. There have been more abortions just since 1980 than all of the lives claimed in all of the wars in all of human history combined, including both World Wars. According to the NY Times, At least 108 million people were killed in wars in the twentieth century. Estimates for the total number killed in wars throughout all of human history range from 150 million to 1 billion. At this moment, 1,472,242,780 abortions have been performed since 1980, with that number increasing by about 2 per second.
---ObamasBoy on 10/21/17

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I am left of center, not extreme left. I don't "demonize" conservatives. I am conservative in some areas. I call out conservatives on wrong things they do, including hypocrisy. Sadly, these have increased in recent years. I do not defend the left's wrongs or hypocrisy.

Which SPECIFIC "totaritarian bullies" guilty of "oppressive PC tyranny" bullies do I defend?

How do I "misunderstand" Matthew 25? We Christians are called to judge ourselves, not others.

The brainwashed on the right equally reject reality. E.g. Christians voting for amoral Trump on moral grounds.
---StrongAxe on 10/20/17

Nobody excuses genocide except the perpetrators.
---Loony1 on 10/20/17


You wrote: I never said genicide was okay!

Earlier, I wrote: Deaths of millions by totalitarian atheists, communists, and fascists does not in any way excuse deaths of millions at the hands of Christians.
You replied: Yes it does.

Yes it does EXACTLY means that genocide by totalitarians DOES EXCUSE genocide by Christians. What other possible interpretation are we supposed to draw from Yes it does??
---StrongAxe on 10/20/17

AXE. Your excuse that there's no need for you to say "me too" has not helped you.
You identify with the Left. You demonize conservatives, whilst defending the Left in spite of its far greater atrocities (such as abortion which you conveniently remain silent on).

You agreed people should oppose the rise of totalitarian bullies, yet you yourself defend the totalitarian Left bullies in spite of their oppressive PC tyranny.

Even your misunderstanding of Matt 25, arguing compassion, is a contradiction as the totalitarian Left have no compassion.
Remember that KGB Communist defector Yuri Bezmanov warned those brainwashed by the Left would reject reality.

---Haz27 on 10/20/17

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StrongAxe: Wait. You believe ANYTHING can EXCUSE genocide?!//

NOW who is putting words into people's mouth?

How can you get upset and then do the VERY THING you CLAIMS upsets you?

I never said genicide was okay!

You seem to be MORE UPSET with the 3 million deaths caused by Religious people in OVER 1900 YEARS than 200 millions in ONE HUNDRED YEAR by Non Religious people???

And that 100 yrs just finished 17 yrs ago.

The NUMBERS of death by WHICH hands MATTERS when one chooses to live a certian society.

Communist Countries uses wall differently than Free Countries.

Their walls are to prevent anyone from leaving while our walls are to keep people from entering.

---Nicole_Lacey on 10/20/17


Apologies accepted. I tend to take a logical perspective on things, so I frequently argue points of the form "your argument is invalid", which is not the same as "your conclusion is incorrect". In particular, I frequently argue, "The Bible does not say XYZ" (i.e. so you cannot infer "XYZ is wrong" from the Bible), which is not the same as saying "XYZ is wrong" (or, more to the point, "The Bible does not prohibit XYZ" is not the same as "I approve XYZ".)
---StrongAxe on 10/20/17

StrongAxe, if you indeed oppose the legalization of abortion, then I honestly apologize. Some of the things I read in your comments suggested you supported the legalization of abortion, thereby supporting abortion. If that understanding was incorrect and you truly do not support legalized abortion, then you have my apologies.
---ObamasBoy on 10/20/17

My apologies, StrongAxe. I thought you just claimed abortion is not murder. I took that as you justifying or excusing it. It most certainly is murder, and the Bible definitely prohibits that.
---ObamasBoy on 10/20/17

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LIES! I have NEVER supported abortion.

Even though no scripture specifically prohibits it, I am not in favor of it. There is a big difference between "I think it's wrong" and "The Bible says it's wrong". Many evangelicals don't know the difference.

There IS one scripture that DOES apply. "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor".


PLEASE stop putting words into my mouth that I never said and don't believe.

I wrote: Deaths of millions ... does not in any way excuse deaths of millions at the hands of Christians.
You wrote: Yes it does.

Wait. You believe ANYTHING can EXCUSE genocide?!
---StrongAxe on 10/19/17


The 20th century was certainly the worst ever.
---Loony1 on 10/19/17

Since StrongAxe supports abortion, he has no place criticizing anyone for murder or genocide. Abortion has claimed more lives in just a few decades than all other forms of genocide in all of human history combined. By all logical accounts, StrongAxe and anyone else who supports the legalized systematic genocide of the unborn is a genocidal maniac worse than any Nazi ever was.
---ObamasBoy on 10/19/17

Correct Loony, but if you let StrongAxe tell our American history he would have everyone BELIEVE the Settlers KILLED by THEIR hands (GUNS) and not by the blankets they gave out of charity.

StrongAxe: Deaths of millions by totalitarian atheists, communists, and fascists does not in any way excuse deaths of millions at the hands of Christians.//

Yes it does. It tells the world it is SAFER to LIVE in a Christian Society than a Communist Society.

You LOVE to leave OUT important details.

200 million in ONE century vs. 3 million in over 19 centuries span is a BIG DEAL!

//So much for Thou Shalt Not Kill.//


Because they reject GOD and His Commandment they KILL AS THEY PLEASE!
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/19/17

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\\StrongAxe, millions of Native Americans died not by blood shed but by viruses and bacteria. They didn't have the immune system to fight even the simplest flu.\\

And millions of European descent got syphilis from indigenous people in the Western hemisphere.

That disease is still a scourge today.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/19/17


Likewise, because some leftists commit atrocities doesn't mean all do.


A LIE! I never EXCUSE genocide. Why do you keep twisting my words?? I just point out that those who commit a sin are not fit to sit in judgment of other who also do so. Remember the "speck in the eye" proverb?

Both of my parents were in camps in Germany, so no, I would NOT have criticized opposition to Naziism. STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!

You are a broken record. "The left is evil. The left is evil. The left is evil." It gets tiresome.

whoever arises as a totalitarian bully... we all should oppose them.

FINALLY something we can agree upon.
---StrongAxe on 10/19/17

AXE. You excuse the genocidal Left arguing we should let them have their evil way because the RCC also committed atrocities in the past.
No doubt if you were in 1930's Germany you would have criticized any opposition to the rise of Nazism because the RCC also committed atrocities.

The virtue signalling totalitarian Left are the biggest hypocrites. The bigoted Left dominate public discourse via mainstream media, politics, Hollywood, uni, etc, demonizing any who fail to submit to their oppressive PC tyranny.

We live in a supposed free society, thus whoever arises as a totalitarian bully (whether it be the Fascist Left, Islam, or RCC Spanish inquisition) we all should oppose them.

---Haz27 on 10/19/17

ax: You do not understand that simply taking the name "Christian" does not make you one. The mass murders, whether RCC inquisitors or the slave torturing, indian massacring Andrew Jackson and his Democrat followers, were not Christians by any objective measure.

True Christians do not do such things. Thus the Democrat KKK, White Supremacist, BLM, Antifa and any other "social warrior" sect that attacks innocents in the name of "social justice" is not Christian, but rather anti-Christian.

---Jerry6593 on 10/19/17

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Deaths of millions by totalitarian atheists, communists, and fascists does not in any way excuse deaths of millions at the hands of Christians. So much for Thou Shalt Not Kill.

Christian Americans negotiated treaties with natives, broke every single one, then forced them to march from their fertile lands across the continent to lands that were totally worthless. So much for Thou Shalt not Steal and Thou Shalt Not Take God's Name In Vain.

We don't have the right to police others, but we DO have the right and duty to police ourselves.


I never said there weren't leftist atrocities, only that Christian hands are not clean, so they are not in a position to self-righteously condemn.
---StrongAxe on 10/18/17


I don't think the first settlers knew that the Indians were so susceptible to disease. But eventually they figured it out. Indian were given blankets exposed to smallpox in order to kill them.
---Loony1 on 10/18/17

StrongAxe, millions of Native Americans died not by blood shed but by viruses and bacteria. They didn't have the immune system to fight even the simplest flu.

Are you SUGGESTING the Settlers knew they could wipe out Tribes via germs?

Mao killed 100 millions lowest estimate.

Stalin 50 to 70 millions lowest estimate

Hitler who exactly killed the least at 12 million.

The rest were from all Communist Countries from 1915 until today.

North Korea is already has millions dying and STILL COUNTING since 1948

Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation --'North Korea under Communism 1948-2014' gives severe stats of the nightmare going on since it BECAME COMMUNIST.

Secular Nightmares not Christian.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/18/17

AXE. What I see from you is what I see from Atheist Leftists. They demonize Christianity, pointing to Crusades era, etc, yet they're offended when the Left (who have no morals) are exposed as far worse as they share the record with Islam as the MOST GENOCIDAL ideology in history.

The fact you ignore is the hypocritical Left demonize all who do not submit to their oppressive PC tyranny, yet they (and Islam) are the blackest pots ever.

We live in a democracy where free speech should not be restrained by the bullying and censorship the Left is so renowned for.

Now that you admit the Left have no morals and have the more evil record, why do you identify with the Left then?

---Haz27 on 10/18/17

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*I* am not calling myself a victim, just saying Christians call leftists murderers based on history is the pot calling the kettle black.

That Christians have a moral code makes them MORE subject to scrutiny. You can't fault an amoral heathen for killing someone. But when a Christian does it, HE should know better.


Hitler, Stalin, and Mao murdered millions. "Christian" Americans invoking manifest destiny murdered tens of millions of native Americans. Who has more blood on their hands? Christians are supposed to know better.

200 million? Where and when?

In any case, saying "They murdered more millions than we did" won't carry much weight at the Final Judgment.
---StrongAxe on 10/18/17

AXE. You can stop using the Left's victim card. It's been so over used it's laughable.

Considering all the Leftist allegations that you've used to demonize conservatives & Christians, you're certainly no victim.
You use the same arguments Atheist Lefties use, demonizing Christians, arguing we should have no input in a democracy, especially when it opposes the Left's oppressive PC tyranny.

The totalitarian Left have no moral code, hence why they're world leaders for genocide.

Re Christian atrocities that you Lefties obsess over (whilst you ignore the Left's massive crimes against humanity), the fact is Christians have a moral code to love others, and any who don't are in disobedience.

---Haz27 on 10/18/17

StrongAxe: You blame the Left for the murder of millions, yet ignore Christianity and "Christian"-based regimes through the past 2 millenia's murder of tens of millions. Mote. Beam. Eye. Pot. Kettle. Black//

You have it backwards. The Left meaning you as well ALWAYS swap facts to benefit the Left's agenda.

The last century alone has killed over 200 millions of people than the 1st 19 centuries COMBINED.

All the killings from wars and dicators are from SECULAR rulers or Communist Leaders.

Religious wars can't get close including the Mulsims who have killed more people than Christians wars.

Secular/Communist 1st, Muslims 2nd than Christians
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/18/17


Show me ONE message you have posted on these blogs where you have not used ad-hominem attacks, and pejorative terms like "Atheist", "Lefty", "Totalitarian", etc.

So what that Rome was an occupying force? That didn't stop them from holding their ground. Christians in that day refused to obey Rome's demand that they burn incense to Caesar, and as a result, they were eaten by lions.

We have no BIBLICAL MANDATE to ram our views down everybody else's throat.

You blame the Left for the murder of millions, yet ignore Christianity and "Christian"-based regimes through the past 2 millenia's murder of tens of millions. Mote. Beam. Eye. Pot. Kettle. Black.
---StrongAxe on 10/17/17

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ax: "dominated by "oppressive Christian tyrrany" [sic] for the past 1700 years"

Please leave America and move to the 3rd world Muslim hell-hole of your choice. America was founded by people fleeing religious oppression. You lefties are helping your Muslim soul mates oppress Christians here as well as in Europe. How can you call yourself a Christian while hating us?

---Jerry6593 on 10/18/17

I think it is true that the New Testament urges us to pray for those in government, but in no way encourages us to participate in government.
---Loony1 on 10/17/17

AXE. Give me one NT verse exhorting Christians to not have input in a democracy. BTW, Rome was an occupying force in Jesus' time.

You argue like an Atheist Lefty that evil Christians should not have input on any PC issues like baby murder, LGBT agenda, deviancy indoctrination of children, etc.
That's very convenient considering you're a Lefty.

The totalitarian Left shares world record as most genocidal with totalitarian Islam.
Totalitarian Lefties Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc persecuted, executed, or enslaved, etc.
Apart from the modern Left's current genocide of babies, we see their growing hate, and calls for suppressing, persecuting, and even executing any who will not submit to their oppressive PC tyranny.
---Haz27 on 10/17/17


Please show ONE NT verse exhorting Christians to oppose evil actions of their governments. I am not speaking about talking points from the Left. I am speaking about actual scripture.

Speaking of "oppressive PC tyrrany" and "forcing their beliefs on others", the west has been dominated by "oppressive Christian tyrrany" for the past 1700 years, with anyone who had opposing views being suppressed, persecuted, or executed, and other peoples being conquered, converteded by force, and even enslaved. Opposing views have only really been tolerated for the past 50 years or so.


Several Republican Christian politicians believe LGBTQ people should be killed.
---StrongAxe on 10/17/17

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You've got me mixed up, I don't argue. It serves no purpose.
---Josef on 10/17/17

AXE. You argue much like an Atheist Lefty, demanding that evil Christians should have no say in our democracies, with the little free speech that remains under the oppressive PC tyranny of the totalitarian Left who dominate mainstream media, Hollywood, universities, politics, etc.

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's is a reference to paying taxes to government. It doesn't mean Christians should have no input in a democracy as you suggest.

Interesting to see you always defend the Left's agenda to force their PC beliefs onto others. For example the Left want to sexualize, confuse and brainwash children, and woe to parents, etc who oppose this.
---Haz27 on 10/17/17

StrongAxe, in other words, it's good for StrongAxe to oppose and speak out against actions that violate his personal beliefs, but it's wrong for Christians to oppose sinful perversions that violate their principles founded on God's Word.
---ObamasBoy on 10/17/17

StrongAxe, ironically, your question about verses that command Christians to force their beliefs on others actually makes the case against the LGBTQ laws, as there are no Christians trying to prevent anyone from being LGBTQ. It is the LGBTQ activists who propose laws to force Christians to accommodate and participate in their beliefs. So I'd like to ask you that same question, please cite the verses that commands you to force your beliefs on others who do not wish to participate in your lifestyle. For the record, I am strongly against any legislation making it illegal to be LGBTQ, lest you accuse me of trying to force my beliefs on anyone.
---ObamasBoy on 10/17/17

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StrongAxe: It is one thing to believe in certain principles, and another to to force those beliefs on others.//


What do you think Obamacare was doing to the Catholic Church?

They were forcing their secular communist principles on Catholics!

Everyone knew that Catholics do NOT believe in birth control for centuries, but they DIDN'T CARE.

They knew if they toppled the Catholic Church every other Institution will crumble and submit to their principles.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/17/17

"The only battle we are called to fight is the good fight of faith" -Joseph

Yet you spend your days on these blogs arguing over your perceived social injustices and badgering others for not agreeing with you. Interesting.
---ObamasBoy on 10/17/17


Roman taxes funded heathen temples and armies that enslaved other countries to Rome. Did Jesus tell his followers to oppose Rome and its heinous practices? No. He said, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's".

When early Christians were required to burn incense to Caesar, they didn't protest idolatry, paganism, and religious discrimination in the streets. They just quietly said no, and were fed to lions. Nowhere do we see New Testament Christians calling out and condeming practices among heathen nations that were acceptable to those nations but abhorrent to Christians. They only did so among their own.

It is one thing to believe in certain principles, and another to to force those beliefs on others.
---StrongAxe on 10/17/17

NICOLE. A transgender teacher at Gresham-Barlow school Oregon got $60,000 payout after alleging being misgendered by colleagues, despite an official investigation stating otherwise.
This transgender bully got their way, so now staff ordered to address transgender or gender non-conforming employees with their chosen pronouns, under threat of discipline or dismissal.

And oppressive PC at NYC Commission on Human Rights who have updated a law to now threaten up to a $250,000 fine against property owners who misgender employees or tenants.

And bill SB219 is in Trump hating Senate in CA that will send people to prison for 1 year for not using a trans persons preferred pronoun at public health/retirement housing.
---Haz27 on 10/17/17

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StronAxe, please first cite all the verses where Jesus says Christians are to oppose police brutality, racism, genocide, human trafficking, corporate greed, discrimination, slavery, mass shootings, or gender inequality. If you can not, then that MUST mean Christians aren't supposed to oppose those things or ever speak out against them. In fact, the "Judge not" verse could easily be talking about you judging racist cops, greedy bankers, and slave owners. And the fact that Jesus doesn't specifically tell us to rail against those things means that we must also defend those acts and attack anyone who opposes or "judges" those things as fake Christians, right?
---ObamasBoy on 10/17/17

"Joseph, twist not scripture, lest you be like Satan." Obamasboy if you are going to insinuate that I am "twisting scripture", please show me, and anyone who might be reading what I write, the courtesy of pointing out the twisted scriptures.
---Josef on 10/16/17

Joseph, twist not scripture, lest you be like Satan.
---ObamasBoy on 10/16/17

Obamasboy, in the words of Jesus, "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven." The only battle we are called to fight, Is the good fight of faith. The believer isn't called to "oppose" anything, we are called to resist, with that resistance directed towards the devil. If that the best help that you can give, I'll pass.
---Josef on 10/16/17

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Well said, Obamasboy.

Plus, hasn't Canada passed a new law treatening any one with jail time for using the WRONG personal pronoun?

Haz do you know?
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/16/17

I think this issue has been addressed by Jeff Sessions.

But I don't think it had to do with criminalizing Christian beliefs.. I believe many, not even Christian had issues with some of these laws that would make it easier for Preditors claiming to be a transgender access to hunting their victims more easily.

Now we have laws passed by Republicans making it easier for for the drug industry to continue on with pushing drugs.

There are so many areas of total obscene laws.....but everyone seemed to be asleep at the wheel on that one.....FRIGHTENING. I wonder what other horrible laws will be passed while all these intentional distractions are put in place?
---kathr4453 on 10/16/17

\\I believe he is referring to the Christian belief of opposing sexual perversion, specifically transgenderism.\\

Transgenderism/transsexualism is NOT a perversion, but it's too complex a topic to be summarized in just 125 words, and I won't try.

But what would you do if you woke up one morning, saw yourself in a mirror, and discovered what should be there was not, and what shouldn't be there WAS there.

Imagine your shock and horror.

This is what a transgender person faces every day of his/her life.

But this person is responsible for the choices made, not you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/16/17


Please cite even a single Bible verse that says Christians are supposed to force their own moral beliefs on others. I learn what Christianity is all about from the Bible, not from 2000 years of cultural cruft that has become encrusted on it and that tends to dominate much of its thinking.

It's also curious that many people who call themselves Christians tilt at many windmills that Jesus himself never spoke about (e.g. transgenderism, LGBT, drugs), yet are silent about things he DID specifically condemn - divorce, greed, etc. A divorced Christian politician opposing transgenderism is the height of hypocrisy.

But I'll wait for steveng to answer the question I posed specifically to him.
---StrongAxe on 10/16/17

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StrongAxe and Josef, I'll try to help you. I believe he is referring to the Christian belief of opposing sexual perversion, specifically transgenderism. If you didn't know that Christians are supposed to oppose perversion, then you both should do a little less talking on these blogs and a little more learning what Christianity is about.
---ObamasBoy on 10/16/17

And what is your source for this information, Steveng?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/15/17


Can you explain just which Christian beliefs are criminalized? The Bible calls on Christians not to judge, lest ye be judged, yet many Christians judge others (whether they are non-Christians, adulterers, LGBT, or whatever) by Christian standards, and attempt to force their values on others, and then whine when others object to having those values forced upon them.

Such people judge - and guess what? They are judged in return AS A RESULT. Jesus warned them not to do it, they did it anyway, and they reap the consequences Jesus himself warned them about.
---StrongAxe on 10/15/17

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