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OBAMASBOY. LOL.

But in reality, for the Left, dehumanizing people is valid.
Anyone who has listened to some of the racist BLM terrorist Lefties would know that they actually describe white people as not being human.
In fact one racist black American even conducted classes pushing Leftist propaganda telling her mostly white students that white people are born as demons...LOL.

The racism, sexism, hate and bigotry from the Left are part of their divisive identity politics in their divide and rule strategy.

Whether it's in Europe, U.K, Australia, Canada, USA, the Left (along with their Islamist allies) are fracturing society with their deliberately divisive identity politics.
---Haz27 on 11/16/17


"the German part negated you as a person in the leftists eyes" -Haz27

Did you just assume my specie?
---ObamasBoy on 11/15/17


AXE & KATHR. The political spectrum has shifted so far Left over the decades that center Left is now far Left, and REPs like Arnold are just as PC Left as many politicians in our pretend conservative party, the LNP.

In Australia we have true conservative parties like Pauline Hansons One Nation (BTW, Trump invited Pauline to his inauguration event), and also the Aust Conservatives, but they do not have the same dominance as the far Left ALP and pretend conservatives the LNP (although there are some true conservatives in the LNP, but they lack control).

AXE, the facts I present are obviously uncomfortable for you, but I'll continue to present them as clearly your family's history has not red pilled you back to reality.
---Haz27 on 11/16/17


KATHR. You praise the PC Lefty REP, Schwarzenegger, even though he threatened climate change skeptics with "I would like to strap their mouth to the exhaust pipe of a truck- turn on the engine".
Yep, he sure sounds worth listening to, wanting to gas people he dislikes, doesn't he.
Much like other notable DEMs Lefties and their terrorist groups (ANTIFA & BLM) who resort to violence and threats of violence.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. After all you Lefties always remain silent (looking the other way) about the Left's baby slaughter, whilst obsessing over the specks in the eyes of conservatives.
Now what was that you were saying about "Nazi Germany excused and looked away"?
---Haz27 on 11/16/17


ObamasBoy:

LOL!


Haz27:

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a Republican, and a former governer of California, so he has actually had some real political experience, unlike Donald Trump.

My parents both came from Eastern Europe and spent most of WW2 in Nazi prison and labor camps. They came west to avoid living under communism. They were well aware of Nazism and communism and loathed both. Nazis murdered two of my uncles. Communists stole another uncle's lifelong business. Apparently, one of my cousins there married a communist and she was disowned by the family as a result. So don't lecture me on being brainwashed by the left.
---StrongAxe on 11/15/17




Europeans shocked that brainwashed PC westerners like you embrace the Left's "utopia" of the hell hole of Communism, which their countries escaped. Haz27/////

Haz27, you're so full of crap. We have one here,REPUBLICAN Arnold Schartznagger ( sp) who made an awesome video rebuking Trump on this very thing, not accusing Dems, but Donald Trump himself, where Arnold did come out of Nazi Germany Europe, and recognized Trumps lame excuse as those who also in Nazi Germany excused and looked away.
---kathr4453 on 11/15/17


OBAMASBOY. Unfortunately your identity (I think the German part negated you as a person in the Lefts eyes) doesnt rate high enough on the loony Lefts PC hierarchy of human value (remember Orwells, all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others).

Had you identified as an disabled Muslim African transgender vegan dwarf with a speech impediment, then you would be at the top of the Lefts PC hierarchy of human value.

Anyway, be sure to threaten to sue any Lefties here who accidentally fail to identify you by your preferred pronoun. I hear the Fascist state of California is the best place to sue for such issues.
---Haz27 on 11/15/17


This offends me as a vegan transgender atheist German engineer who vapes organic decaffeinated soy breast milk on the regular and a person who does Indian naked crossfit yoga 5 times per week. I'm also a male feminist and identify myself as a pastafarian Apache helicopter dog who serves only to one master: my Chihuahua, which I helped cross the border of Mexico because I hate Donald Trump. My dog also walks me, and if you find that weird you're an arrogant ignorant homophobic globaphobic sexist.
---ObamasBoy on 11/15/17


NURSE. You'd do better not relying on confirmation bias to maintain your brainwashed state.

A recent publication by academic Dinesh D'Sousa titled:
The Big Lie. Exposing the NAZI Roots of the American Left,
might be a good start for you.

AXE. I often encounter East Europeans shocked that brainwashed PC westerners like you embrace the Left's "utopia" of the hell hole of Communism, which their countries escaped.

Former Communists like Yuri Bezmanov and academic David Horowitz speak from their experience as operatives in subverting the West for a Communist take over. Best you don't ignore them.

KATHR. As always, you're silent about the baby slaughter from YOUR side of politics.
---Haz27 on 11/15/17


Haz27, the Jim Crow folks were southern democrats, called DixieCrats who are TODAY the ALT RIGHT.

Just like Kennedy, a main stream Democrat went after Wallace, a DIXIECRAT in Alabama .....two totally different animals, we also have as Republicans TWO entirely different animals...main stream Republicans McConnell, etc, vs Bannon, Stone, ALT RIGHT Republicans who HATE the mainstream Republicans.

And this NEW Alt Right who wants to say how RIGHTEOUS they are don't listen when one of their own is accused of immorality. That to me is awful. What a contradiction of conscience it SHOULD BE, but frightening it is not. And when Evangelicals like Falwell and others try to put lipstick on this pig...is SICK.
---kathr4453 on 11/15/17




Samuel BB7 said, " The Pope declared himself the ruler of this world and the next. "

Where, in what text, book, letter or Apostolic message did the Pope declare he ruled the world, or that he would rule in the world to come?

I'll give you a hint: NO pope EVER said anything even CLOSE to that. Vatican I declared that the pope had universal primacy--meaning that all of the world was in his care. However, Jesus is King! on Earth, under the Earth, and in heaven. And all the popes from Peter on have known it.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/15/17


\\Sadly the Roman Catholic Christians worked to control the government. The Pope declared himself the ruler of this world and the next. \\

Please give proof of both of these statements, Samuel. I have observed that Sdas are not always acccurate in statements they make about Roman Catholicism or the Pope.

And just why did EGW have pages and pages of references about them in the index to her writings, but NOTHING about Eastern Orthodoxy?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/15/17


Samuel BB7 said, "Sadly the Roman Catholic Christians worked to control the government. The Pope declared himself the ruler of this world and the next. "

You don't have a whole lot of love for the Pope, do you? And your anti-Catholic comments are simply unfounded mouthings of people like Keith Green, Charles Finney, Jimmy Swaggart and so on.

Yet as Christians, aren't we commanded by Christ to love our neighbors? And pray for our enemies? Even when our neighbors are Catholic?
---Monk_Brendan on 11/14/17


JOHN9346. It's amuzing to see how Lefties like AXE, Samuellbb7, etc demonize conservatives by suggesting that somehow there are real links to KKK white supremacists.

Reality is that Leftists are the leading racists and they are merely projecting, as they so often do.

The Left's BLM are a far bigger, more powerful, racist supremacist group than the KKK. And they have the backing of the racist Lefties like their Fake News media and DEMs.

Without doubt Leftists throughout the West, like DEMs, etc, are the greater evil compared to conservatives.

The Left's record of genocide, racism, poverty, hate, etc are rivaled only by Islamist's. Interesting that they're both temporary allies now.

---Haz27 on 11/14/17


john9346:

There are 10x as many whites in the U.S. as black, so white supremacists necessarily outnumber black supremacists. I never said Democrats were infallible.

LePage, Aug 26:
"You shoot at the enemy. You try to identify the enemy. And the enemy right now, the overwhelming majority right now coming in are people of color or people of Hispanic origin. I can't help that. I just can't help it. Those are the facts."


Haz27:

Bezmanov's statement is true to ANYONE who is brainwashed, regardless of whether he's right or left.

Many voters on Obamacare support Trump despite his crusade to destroy it. This is a typical example of wilful blindness to facts.
---StrongAxe on 11/14/17


---Haz27 on 11/14/17 Of course you can back up your assertions. Read "The Coming of the Third Reich" by Richard Evans (the site Thoughtco gives a good synopsis) Or Weimar Political Parties, by Paul Bookbinder.

I'm curious if you can come up with a cognizant argument for your belief instead of your mindless rants.
---NurseRobert on 11/14/17


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samuelbb7 states, "True Strongax. Many White supremacists have joined to the Republicans."

And many "Black Supremacists." have joined with the Democrat Party.

This is Logically Contradictory...

2 Self Refuting Statements cant be true.
---john9346 on 11/15/17


AXE & NURSE. Russian KGB Communist defector, Yuri Bezmanov, was correct when he stated that no matter how many facts are presented to those brainwashed by the Left, they will still deny reality.

You both replied with the usual worn out old Leftist confirmation bias scripts of what to say when.....

Much like the Left's "Big Switch" lie to deceitfully direct their KKK roots to conservatives, we see the same with the Left's lies about their NAZI roots.
---Haz27 on 11/14/17


True Strongax. Many White supremacists have joined to the Republicans.

Sadly the Roman Catholic Christians worked to control the government. The Pope declared himself the ruler of this world and the next.

Really bad for those who disagreed.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/14/17


strongaxe said, "I never said they are. I said most American white supremacists today are Republicans, NOT that most Republicans are white supremacists."

And your point?

Most American "Black Supremacist." are, "Democrat."

Its illogical to condemn evil in 1 party when there is evil in the other party.

You and I had this conversation Several Months ago where you denied doing this,yet, you state Selective Outrage all the time... SelectiveOutrage is, "Illogical."

Sir, the Democrat Party is not, "Infallible."
---john9346 on 11/14/17


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strongaxe:

Sir, Please provide the context of Governor LePage's Statement about "Blacks." being the enemy?
---john9346 on 11/14/17


john9346:

You wrote: Thank you sir so why do you continue to assert the idea that they are??

I never said they are. I said most American white supremacists today are Republicans, NOT that most Republicans are white supremacists. "be" is not reflexive. All watermelons are fruits, but not all fruits are watermelons.
---StrongAxe on 11/14/17


strongaxe said, "Again, not all Republicans are white supremacists."

Thank you sir so why do you continue to assert the idea that they are??

strongaxe states, "Democrats made those errors in the past."

Sir, Hilary in the 1990s said "Black Youth." were, "Super Predator." She also called Senator Robert Bird a Former KKK Member "Friend and mentor." Now contrast this with Donald Trump denouncing David Duke.

Has Mrs. Clinton ever denounced Senator Robert Bird??
---john9346 on 11/14/17


---Haz27 on 11/13/17

Wrong.. Hitler hated socialism and communism. He worked to destroy both ideologies. Nazism was based on race different from class focused socialism. He dismantled trade unions and supported industrialists. He used fear of socialism and communism to scare the middle and upper class into supporting him. That doesn't sound very left wing to me.
---NurseRobert on 11/14/17


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Haz27:

The Nazis were no more socialist than the communist Democratic Repblic of XYZ were democratic.
Thir use of the words Socialist and Democratic were propaganda.

White supremacists in the U.S.A today identify as extreme right wing Republicans.


john9346:

Yes we must remember the past to not repeat it. Sadly, this is not the case. Democrats made those errors in the past. Now, Republicans making the same mistakes now, and people fall for them hook, line, and sinker.

Again, not all Republicans are white supremacists. However, today, in the U.S., white supremacists tend to identify as Republicans. Maine's R governor Lepage just said black people are the enemy!
---StrongAxe on 11/14/17


NURSEROB. NAZI = National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.

Hitler (a Socialist) admired international Socialism of Marx, and also Fascist Socialism of Mussolini. Both Hitler & Mussolini realized NATIONAL Socialism was preferred within nations over the INTERNATIONAL Socialism of Marx.

AXE. The KKK is relevant to the DEMs ONLY, and nobody else. You really should stop peddling the Left's false equivalence arguments.

Open your eyes to reality Axe! The Left embodies genocide (see Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, etc AND ABORTION), poverty creation, broken families, LGBT deviancy, and deceitful virtue signalling to gain political power (as expressed by Hillary's mentor, the Marxist Saul Alinsky).
---Haz27 on 11/13/17


strongaxe ask, "So what?"

First, "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

Next, its a Logical Fallacy to try to tie 1 party with a Hate Group when history and the present doesn't support it,however, will you condemn the actual party who did support and fight to Historically keep African Americans as property and not permitted to vote.

The Republican Party created the amendment giving "Black Americans." the right to vote.

BTW, its Black Americans not African Americans sir.
---john9346 on 11/13/17


Haz27:

Stop bringing up the past. It isn't relevant. NOW, THIS YEAR, KKK members are REPUBLICANS.

As I pointed out, the left embodies each individual helping the group, so the groups can take care of every individual. A society that values strength and despises weakness is the very antithesis of that. This is why "kill our own weak" Nazis were on the RIGHT.
---StrongAxe on 11/13/17


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HAZ, can you define a Nazi?
---NurseRobert on 11/13/17


AXE. The fact remains your false equivalence KKK link applies to Ghandi, Churchill, Mandela too due to nationalism. Your false equivalence arguments wont help you. The DEMS still hold the strongest recorded link to KKK.

As for Lefts Nazism, Hitler saw Jews as the embodiment of capitalism, hence his hate due to his SOCIALISM.

German philosopher Nietzsche's view was everything born of weakness is bad. He also stated, Not contentedness but more power, not peace but war, not virtue but fitness.
Nietzsche had great influence on Leftists such as Marx, Hitler, etc. Hitler described him as a great man and they even shared the ideal of ubermensch (Aryan race). You cant avoid the fact of these evils of your side of politics.
---Haz27 on 11/13/17


john9346:

So what? Historically, England, Germany, and Japan were our enemies. Historically, the southern states were our enemies. Should we bar anyone from southern states from political office because their ancestors were confederates who fought against the U.S.?

Historically, African Americans were property and not allowed to vote. There is much that happened in the past, and much of it was bad. But we aren't living in the past now. We are living in the present.

We aren't being ruled NOW by people who lived 50-100 years ago. We don't vote NOW for people who lived 50-100 years ago. We vote for candidates based on what they say and do and believe NOW.
---StrongAxe on 11/13/17


By no means are all Republicans KKK members or racists. However, people who join the KKK NOW, TODAY, in the U.S., tend to vote Republican, and tend to be Trump supporters.
---StrongAxe on 11/13/17

But "Historically." the KKK was "Democrat."
---john9346 on 11/13/17


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Haz27:

Also, your "Nazis are leftists" claim doesn't make any sense. Leftism, socialism, and communism are about collectivism - individual resources help the group. From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Tom pays higher health care premiums so Jerry can get a heart transplant.

Rather than taking care of the elderly, infirm, and mentally challenged, the Nazis called them "useless eaters" - drains on society, and sent them to the gas chambers. This is the extreme opposite of collectivism.

Note this is just an extreme version of how Republicans view health care. They call it a privilege, not a right. If you can't afford treatment, you're on your own, and deserve to die.
---StrongAxe on 11/13/17


Haz27:

Gandhi, Churchill and Mandela are not KKK because the KKK operates in the U.S., so the comparison is ridiculous.

By no means are all Republicans KKK members or racists. However, people who join the KKK NOW, TODAY, in the U.S., tend to vote Republican, and tend to be Trump supporters.
---StrongAxe on 11/13/17


More misinformation from Haz27...Churchill was NOT a Nationalist. He was a NON-Nationalist. His mother was American, father British. Now Chamberlain and Halafax were Nationalists and did not want to go to war against Germany. Churchill a NON nationalist did.

Even your other two listed is also WRONG Haz27. Living under the oppression of English rule and wanting freedom doesn't give true definition to Nationalism like Hitler did in Germany murdering those he believed were less than human to PURIFY the German people..blond hair blue eye WHITE PEOPLE. HE DIDNT JUST RUN THEM OUT OF Germany, that fool wanted to totally exterminate them all across the world and redraw the lines of Germany.
---kathr4453 on 11/13/17


AXE. Again you come out with your routine false equivalences , and then misquote me (BTW, I didnt say youre pro abortion) to falsely justify this same allegation against me.

To link REPs with KKK is like also linking the likes of Mahatma Ghandi, Winston Churchill, and Nelson Mandela to the KKK as well, simply because of the common thread of nationalism. Open your eyes Axe, and try to get out of that Leftist echo chamber.

I suggest you stop pushing the hateful lies of your Leftist masters and realize the fact that you are a foot soldier for their oppressive PC tyranny.

BTW, mindlessly repeating the Lefts propaganda lies is not logic, as you falsely claim. Again I suggest you do objective research instead.
---Haz27 on 11/12/17


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Haz27:

I agree with the left on several issues over the right, but not all. By calling me a "Leftist", you pigeonhole me, then infer things about me that aren't true (e.g. pro-abortion, anti-public debate). You keep using false equivalences. Please stop.

More false equivalences of the same kind:
Trump boasts of adultery. He is a Republican. Lincolon was a Republican. Therefore, Lincoln was an adulterer.
Hitler was a man. He committed genoicide. Jesus was a man. Therefore, Jesus committed genocide.
Cherries are red. Cherries are fruit. Roses are red. Therefore, roses are fruit.


Everyone should see how ridiculous the above logic is, yet you use EXACTLY THE SAME LOGIC when you label me a Leftist.
---StrongAxe on 11/12/17


AXE. Just as you do, I likewise accuse you of the implications you stand for as a Leftist.
I realize you don't like being confronted with such facts, but then cognitive dissonance is never a comfortable state to be in.

I suggest that instead of pulling the victim card, you instead do the research, even considering that perhaps the Left have in fact lied to you.

I too learned this way. In past debates we had over recent years you would confront me with some allegations I'd never heard of (e.g the big switch, etc), which motivated me to do research to find out if it was true or not. I did the same with Biblical topics where others would make claims which drove me to study scripture to see if they were true or not.

---Haz27 on 11/12/17


Haz27:

Klansmen were predominantly Democrats - before 1960, but not NOW.

The Crusader, their official newspaper, endorsed Trump for president. After Fields ran down Heyer at a Klan rally, Trump said there were "some good people" there. A Brandeis U article by David Cunningham shows that between 1960 and 2000, counties with high Klan involvement also had significant increases in Republican support.

This is not that the Klan directly influences Republican politics, but rather, racists likely to join the Klan are more likely to join Republicans too.

No, I don't support shutting down public debate by EITHER side. You keep falsely accusing me of things I don't believe, due to false equivalences. Learn logic.
---StrongAxe on 11/12/17


AXE. As a Lefty you are of the side of politics in the West which are the oppressors.
The Left dominate the megaphones of public narrative (mainstream media, Hollywood, universities, politics, etc), hence the decades of the Lefts oppressive PC tyranny successfully shutting down public debate.

You, with your PC Left accusations, are part of the oppressive tyranny of the dominant regime. You repeat the same allegations the Leftist dominated media, Hollywood, universities, politics, etc, use to bully and manipulate society. I can assure you that your claim that you are the oppressed is as absurd as an Muslim in ISIS territory claiming to be oppressed by Christians or Yazidis when being confronted about the authoritarianianism of ISIS.
---Haz27 on 11/12/17


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Byrd REPENTED and openly denounced the KKK during his tenure.

Also Edward L Jackson Governor of Indiana REPUBLICAN , ruined his name and career involved in the KKK....read about him...shameful.

Rice W. Means Senator Colorado -REPUBLICAN. KKK member, hated Jews and Catholics

Clarence Morley- Governor Colorado -REPUBLICAN - member of the KKK

David Dukes KKK TOP DOG, both Dem and then changed to Republican , ran for office under REPUBLICAN in LA and WON. St Tammany Perish Chairman.

The KKK is in both REP and DEM circles.

Now what? And let's not forget Henry Ford...and his hate and outspokenness that LITERALLY influenced Hitler, was a Republican most of his life.
---kathr4453 on 11/12/17


Jeremiah 29:7 and II Chronicles 7:14 just shows how the prayers of today's christians are not being answered.

Psalms 2:10-11 who in our government serve the Lord?

Proverbs 11:14 where are the true christian advisors?

Job 12:23-25

From the NT:
I Timothy 2:1-2
I Peter 2:17
Romans 13:1

We must be faithful, informed and thoughtful when praying and talking to others about our politics, and as we ask for God's wisdom and righteousness to be evident in our nation's policies and leaders.

Besides, when Christ returns isn't he to create a new government?
---Steveng on 11/12/17


AXE. Yet again you make derogatory false allegations.
Heres facts. As recent as 2010 DEMs praised KKK senator R. Byrd. Hillary gave heartfelt remembrance of this former "exalted cyclops" in KKK.
Byrd filibustered Civil Rights Act for 14 hours & was later described by Hillary as "a man surpassing eloquence and nobility.

The KKK are insignificant group made out to be more than they are by the Leftist Fake News media, etc, to be used for the Lefts propaganda lies.
Simply the KKK support nationalism just as did Mahatma Ghandi, Winston Churchill, Nelson Mandela, etc. Are you linking these people to KKK too?

Seems you do support the Lefts oppressive PC tyranny to shut down public debate.
---Haz27 on 11/11/17


Haz27:

There are, in fact, people in the KKK. There are, in fact, people who are white supremacists. Look at their voting records.

I accuse people in the world for what they actually do. I don't call people on these blogs names and hurl personal attacks against them, but you do. I'm not pulling a victim card, saying "boo hoo, pity me, I'm being oppressed". Rather, I'm pulling the mentor card, saying "you are a sorry figure because you constantly oppress others, which is beneath you. Grow up".

I abhor extremist attempts to shut down public debate as you do, but the right does that too - e.g. attempting to force horrid legislation through while forbidding discussion to reveal how horrid it is.
---StrongAxe on 11/11/17


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AXE. Whilst your accusations lack the emotional extremes of Kathr's, you're still in no position to pull the victim card.

Your derogatory false allegations of NAZI & KKK Right, "white supremacy", etc, are all wrongly held beliefs due to a misplaced trust in Leftists.
But Leftists are the LEAST to claim victim hood.
The Left dominate the megaphones of society (Media, Hollywood, universities, politics, etc), and are renowned for shutting down public debate with false allegations such as you use.

The fact conservatives are now standing up against the Left's decades of oppressive PC tyranny does not give you Lefties justification to claim victim hood when facts are presented that expose the Left's evils.
---Haz27 on 11/11/17


A blessed Veterans Day to all of you. Don't forget to remember...
---Loony1 on 11/10/17


All anyone has to do is watch " Get me Roger Stone" a documentary on how Roger Stone got Trump elected....right out of Roger Stones mouth. It's on Netflix if anyone is interested. No fake news there. He admitted he plays down and dirty, deny deny deny, ...lies, etc, what ever it takes. It was because of him and his lies he lost the Dole campaign because he lied about his own immoral lifestyle, ( he and his wife are swingers) finally was exposed, and he then admitted, all the while pimping Conservative Christianity at the same time... It's all there for intelligent people to sift through. People either have short memories, OR their moral compass has gone haywire and no one really cares about morality in the WH anymore.
---kathr4453 on 11/10/17


Haz27:

You wrote: We all can learn from informed debate, if we're open to the truth.

Yes, we could, but it's hard to debate someone who hurls accusations and ad-hominem attacks in almost every sentence.


Nicole_Lacey:

I was contrasting Haz27's accusatory tone with Jesus's non-accusatory tone. Jesus didn't tell the woman caught in adultery, "You have violated the law of Moses and deserve to die, but I forgive you". He didn't accuse her at all.

When I spoke of Jesus screaming at Pharisees, I wasn't referring to this particular incident, but others, where he screamed at them and called them hypocrites and like whitewashed tombs.
---StrongAxe on 11/10/17


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StrongAxe: Jesus didn't accuse people, not even woman caught in adultery.//

Yes He did.

He didn't condemn her. There is a difference.

I can accuse you of stealing from me is one thing.

But the Judge sentencing you to jail for theft is condemning you for stealing.

Jesus told her not to sin again. Which means He is accusing her of the sin that has to stop.

StrongAxe: He only screamed at Pharisees - leaders who taught one thing but practiced another.//

Jesus didn't scream at them either. He made a statement and continued to write in the dirt.

They left Jesus and the Lady without fussing or arguing with Jesus.

StrongAxe, what Bible are you reading????
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/10/17


AXE & KATHR. Please....enough of the Left's victim card tactic.

Considering the hateful, false allegations you guys always make against conservatives, you are in no position to be pointing the finger of accusation.

I suggest you just present the basis for your derogatory allegations against conservatives, and if they fail to stand up to scrutiny and opposing facts, then just do more research that might offer support for your view, or else just stop relying on the Left's lies and instead consider whether your political stance needs reassessing.

We all can learn from informed debate, if we're open to the truth.

---Haz27 on 11/10/17


Haz27:

I recognize all your posts in one line from words like "hate", "spew", "Leftist" "masters", "propaganda", "fake news", "brainwash". Are you even capable of civilized discussion without CONSTANTLY hurling accusations?

Greek word for "accuser" is "diabolos", from which we get "Devil".

Jesus didn't accuse people, not even woman caught in adultery. He only screamed at Pharisees - leaders who taught one thing but practiced another.

Which of these two do you model your life after? Or perhaps Bezmanov, whom you quote in most posts? You should focus on fighting your OWN fight, rather than always tearing down others.
---StrongAxe on 11/10/17


Haz27', I suggest you respect others on line here and respect their own personal beliefs and faith and personal opinions regarding Christians in politics. You again are a perfect example of those who defile the church with assaulting other members of Christ's body. You are not the HEAD Haz27, Christ is. And not all in the Body of Christ agree with your Judgemental hate mongering especially now toward other believers.

Come out from among them Haz27, and KEEP YOUR MIND ON THINGS ABOVE AND NOT BELOW, as the Lord has commanded us.


Oh that's right, you don't have to obey, because your sinless...right and can do as you please. ITS GUYS LIKE You who give Christianity ITS BAD NAME.
---kathr4453 on 11/10/17


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Monk, I guess you are agreeing with me?

I am sick and tired of people making racist remarks against Jews and think they can get away with it.

Levitt has the nerve to PRETEND to defend Jews and at the SAME time TEAR them down.

So Levitt successfully does what America does best.

Discriminate against the 2 top beloved religion in America.

1. Jews

2. Catholics.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/9/17


KATHR. Again I see you spewing your hate towards conservatives here too. Your Leftist masters have really got control of you through their Fake News media propaganda, etc.
But then KGB Communist defector Yuri Bezmanov, and also ex Communist academic David Howowitz, warned that the West was stuck with those who have been brainwashed by the Communist Left.

I suggest you better practice what you preached in that other post, instead of being such a hateful Leftist.

You should focus instead upon fighting the good fight of faith as this over rides any worldly issues, especially your Left wing politics.
---Haz27 on 11/9/17


Nicole Lacy said, "That is exactly what the Racial Leftists say today is using slur professions towards Jews as 'Moneychangers and Diamond Jewelers' today."

As a man who is 25% Jewish, and spent a long time in the jewelry industry, I resent the idea that Jews can only be jewelers and moneylenders. Jewelers and diamond merchants can be any religion, Sikh, Muslim, CHRISTIAN, or more. I have met most of them
---Monk_Brendan on 11/9/17


Strongaxe, I believe Revelation also show an unholy alliance with apostate Christianity and politics....the Woman who rides the Beast. I haven't read Brad Hicks, but will look at your recommendation here. But Haz27 is a perfect example of his spewing of hate towards "sinners", because he has mixes politics with his Christian beliefs, believing the right is RIGHT...OR RIGHTEOUS. This is a perfect example of everything we are called NOT TO do or say or act. Where does scripture show Pharisees as on the right side of Gods will and purpose?
---kathr4453 on 11/9/17


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kathr4453:

We are not OF the world, but IN the world. Most have 9-5 jobs. When he comes, he should find us busy at our work.

I agree churches endorsing politicians is a bad thing, but Congress is making it legal again.

Google "Christians in the hands of an angry God"
The first link shows part 1 of a 5-part article by Brad Hicks. The second by kimchalister links to all 5 parts as footnotes.

He shows that, if you believe 2 Ti 3:16-17, the gospel taught in most American evangelical and fundamentalist churches is a false gospel, and has condemned tens of millions of people to eternal damnation, and he demonstrates how this happened in the last half century due to the church's unholy alliance with politics.
---StrongAxe on 11/8/17


Strongaxe, I believe scripture does say we are no Longer part of this world system, and that we have overcome the world. That together with Colossians 3-1-4 should be enough to help Christians know what and where their priority should be. When I see so often churches and Christians endorsing some supposed Christian in politics, it ends up a disaster, and it brings accusations against the church as well.

I believe if Jesus were on earth today, He couldn't get elected as dog catcher. The world HATES us Strongaxe. It never stopped. If some find their not hated...then they HAVE colluded and compromised. I've seen it all to often. And I've seen good men get corrupted just to stay in. Nope...politics and Christianity do not mix.
---kathr4453 on 11/8/17


\\You can find this on a website called the Riverfront Times, and it can be corroborated elsewhere. Here is an excerpt from a 2009 article:
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Secular commercial newspapers are always the ideal source for accurate information about history--especially of the mediaeval period--as well as anybody's church, right Loony1?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/8/17


Looney, thank you citing your source.

Before reading the article I already realized that Amiee Levitt made up facts because Catholics do not use the words 'infidels'.

Muslims uses that word not us. That's like accusing the KKK of calling Black people infidels.

In fact the ONLY word we use is 'Pagan' not 'Infidel'

Levitt has the Religions mixed up.

Next she is a Racist herself when she has the NERVE to claim the only profession Jews had in his time were 'money changers'.

That is exactly what the Racial Leftists say today is using slur professions towards Jews as 'Moneychangers and Diamond Jewelers' today.

Lastly, she doesn't CITE her sources.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/8/17


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kathr4453:

You wrote: I don't see any scripture where we are called to serve in politics....of this world. We are called to be ambassadors for Christ.

There's not any scripture that says we are NOT called to serve in politics. Remember, we are not just ambassadors for Christ, but most of us also have other roles in life as well. Most of us have jobs of some sort or other. Some are called to be teachers, some doctors, some nurses, some laborers, and some even politicians.

God DOES NOT play down and dirty politics to get anyone elected.

Some people believe the end justifies the means - and their morality is already flushed down the drain.
---StrongAxe on 11/7/17


Kathr

I agree completely.
---Loony1 on 11/7/17


Bad company corrupts good morals.
Be not unequally yoked. Doesn't have to mean exclusively marriage or friendships.

I don't see any scripture where we are called to serve in politics....of this world. We are called to be ambassadors for Christ.

I believe the area of politics are so down and dirty that if you don't get down and dirty to WIN, your left in the dust. I just watched..."Get me Roger Stone"... And how down and dirty he got to get Trump elected. With that, how can anyone say God was in it? God DOES NOT play down and dirty politics to get anyone elected.
---kathr4453 on 11/7/17


Nicole

Louis IX was not completely free from corruption. He robbed the Jews to pay for his Crusades. You can find this on a website called the Riverfront Times, and it can be corroborated elsewhere. Here is an excerpt from a 2009 article:

"So how did St. Louis muster the funds for two holy wars? Why, he took it from the Jews, of course! Well, technically, he expelled from French soil all the Jews who worked as moneylenders and confiscated their property, but since moneylending was practically the only profession open to medieval Jews, it was pretty much the same difference.

"Once Louis finally hit the road ... he called for the killing of all 'infidels' in his path, including, you guessed it, Jews."
---Loony1 on 11/6/17


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Yes Loony,

The most famous one I know about is St. Louis IX King of France.

Also St. Jadwiga Queen of Poland 14 century.

Wikipedia has a list of Kings and Queens Saints or Blessed from both the Catholics and Orthodox Churches.

Plus, I am sure other faiths, countries and cultures had kind and good Rulers. I just not aware of them.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/6/17


Nicole

Did you have any kings or queens specifically in mind who you think were not corrupt?
---Loony1 on 11/6/17


Josef: absolute power, corrupts absolutely.//

Not absolutely.

There were Kings and Queens in History with absolute power who were not corrupt.

Rare, but they existed.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/6/17


Strongaxe I am sure that it is. I have simply not met one, or know of one, personally, that does resist. However I do believe that with the Father, all things are possible. After all Jesus did not pray to take us out of the world, but rather that we be kept from the evil. I've found this to be true, based on my perceptions:o), that power corrupts, and absolute power, corrupts absolutely. But you've made your point, and I understand and acknowledge it.
---Josef on 11/5/17


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Josef:

It is possible to enter politics and resist its seductive lures. It is difficult, but it is possible.
---StrongAxe on 11/5/17


StrongAxe on 11/5/17. Yet politics defined is-
"The exercising or seeking of power in the governmental or public affairs of a state, municipality, etc. Having a definite policy or system of government, which is the political direction and control exercised over the actions of the members, citizens, or inhabitants of communities, societies, and states, [it is the] direction of the affairs of a state, community, etc." [And] It's direction, control, management, and rule, will always be sensually based, which in and of itself defines the world. (As a system of things focused on external adornments and passions that entice and seduce the senses).
---Josef on 11/5/17


Josef:

Some people enter politics because they are lured by power. Other people enter politics because they are disgusted by it, but see that it can't be fixed unless someone such as they steps up to the plate - so they do so with a mixture of determination and distaste.
---StrongAxe on 11/5/17


Cluny

Yes, one might...
---Loony1 on 11/4/17


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One might seek public office for love of neighbor and, by extension, community.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 11/4/17


"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of God abides for ever."
---Josef on 11/4/17


I will be interested in your views.
---Loony1 on 11/4/17


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