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Left's Abortion Platform

Christians agree that abortion is killing an innocent life.
But why do Left wing Christians remain silent about the Left's abortion platform, and even defend the Left?

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NURSE. As always you obfuscate, deflect to avoid answering questions. I guess this derailing of debate is all youre capable of.

AXE. You clearly live in Leftist echo chamber relying only on Leftist confirmation bias to avoid the cognitive dissonance facts bring.

The PC Left are the bullies as they dominate media, Uni, Hollywood, politics, to control public debate in their hateful racist, sexist, anti Christian attacks against any who may not submit to the Lefts lust for more political power.

The fact you think abortion, family disintegration, violence, drug addiction, crime, racism, bullying, etc, is ok if it furthers Lefts agenda, can only be described as distorted values that comes from one brainwashed by the Left.
---Haz27 on 11/19/17


NurseRobert:

You are right. Every assumption in this blog is false. It is just as disingenuous as the question, "Have you stopped beating your wife?".

Not all Christians agree abortion is killing an innocent life. Not all people on the left support abortion. Not all Christians on the left are silent on abortion. Not all Christians on the left defend everything the left does.

Many say "people who disagree aren't Christians", but that is the tool of division - declare others outsiders, depriving of them of legitimacy. "They aren't Christians" justifies disenfranchisement in debates. "They aren't human" justified the Holocaust. The degree is different, but the methodology is the same.
---StrongAxe on 11/19/17


1 Cor 1:10 calls for believers to come together. I have to ask Haz just what was his purpose of posting this blog? The premise of the post is false because, while there are those who "remain silent" there are many who work to stop abortion.

Haz was given the chance to express his ideas of how to stop abortion, but refused to do so. Why is that, Haz? Is it because you have no idea how to do so? Or would you rather remain an contentious person, reveling in creating strife?
---NurseRobert on 11/19/17


Haz27:

How are your repeated claims of rightist propaganda not also confirmation bias?

Bullying children is wrong, regardless of which side does it. You conveniently ignore all bullying that from the right, and there has been far more of it for far longer.

Black, Latino, Native American, Jewish, Muslim childrn have been bullied a long time. LGBT youth get it even worse. They have the highest incident of teen suicide as a result. How many Christian children have been bullied to the point suicide for not being politically correct? Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with them, bullying them (especially to the point of death) is very wrong. Such bullying comes in majority conservative white Christian schools.
---StrongAxe on 11/19/17


AXE. You repeatedly claim the Leftist propaganda you offer is somehow "logic". Actually its called "confirmation bias".
I never said you support abortion. I said you obsess about specks in eye of conservatives whilst you remain silent about LEFT's ATROCITIES (abortion).

CLUNY. Political spectrum has shifted Left over past decades. Left of center is now virtually far Left.

Safe Schools is admitted (by it's founder, the MARXIST Roz Ward) to be MARXIST INDOCTRINATION. It's got nothing to do with anti bullying. Its just another Leftist lie like the double think in Orwells 1984.

Already we hear of cases where children are bullied by teachers for not conforming to Marxist LGBTQI indoctrination.
---Haz27 on 11/19/17




john9346:

Ex 12:22-25 details the penalty for miscarriage, and only a brief mention of life for life "if there is mischief". This refers to death of the mother, NOT the child.

Premature babies rarely survive, even with modern medical science. It was much more rare 2000 years ago. Why would a law spend most of its time on an event that rarely occurs, and only briefly mention what happens most of the time?

How many pieces from a 1000-piece car model do you have to assemble before you can call it a car?

God exists. What is his beginning?
---StrongAxe on 11/19/17


Ecclesiastes 11:5 - As thou knowest not the way of the spirit, nor how the bones grow in the womb of her that is with child : even so thou knowest not the works of God that makes all .
---RichardC on 11/19/17


strongaxe states, "None. However there is no prohibition of abortion in the OT either."

Sir, have you not readExo 21:22-25?

strongaxe states, "Just as the formation of a human from a single egg is a gradual process."

Yes, But the organism going through the processes is "Human." correct??

Your violating the laws of logic because everything that exist musthave a beginning

Again, the question to you But the organism going through the processes is "Human." correct??

I'm finding it astounding how your choosing to ignore Medical Science (Embryology) sir its illogical to ignore facts and evidence
---john9346 on 11/18/17


strongaxe states, "I have repeatedly stated that I abhor abortion,"

Sir, respectfully, this is Logic Inconsistency you cant abhor something you don't first believe in. You don't believe the "Unborn." is human,yet, you have not been able to show us all here when does life begin if it doesn't begin at the "Moment of Conception.

You deflected completely on my question to you, "You do know that the 2-year old boy in comparison to the 90 year old man is not fully developed in vissibility, consciousness, cognition, breathing,
moving, and feeling correct??


---john9346 on 11/18/17


john9346:

You wrote: Now in the OT when God delegated the right to take life what were the stipulations and tell us which one of those stipulations includes "Abortion?"

None. However there is no prohibition of abortion in the OT either.

Which law of logic am I violating? You make the assumption that human life begins at fertilization, which is very arbitrary. Gen 2:7 suggests it's at the first breath.

Again, how many pennies does it take to turn a poor man into a rich man? There is no answer, because it's a gradual process, just as the formation of a human from a single egg is a gradual process.
---StrongAxe on 11/18/17




HAZ27:

StrongAxe said he was left of center, not a leftist. But this might be too subtle for you to understand

I've explained about Social Security on another blog. Monk Brendan is only getting back what he paid into.

As for myself, do you actually feel that LGBT children--or those merely PERCEIVED as being such--should be bullied by their peers? This is what 'safe schools' are about.

LGBT intimate activities are illegal in Marxist countries, and such people are persecuted.

Did you know that Red China repudiated Marxism over 30 years ago?

And who made you the arbiter of proper political stands for Christians?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/18/17


cluny ask, "How was this ever determined?"

Great question we can now wait for strongaxe to answer...
---john9346 on 11/17/17


strongaxe states, "I never said LIFE doesn't begin at conception. I just challenge anyone to prove HUMAN BEINGS begin at conception. You haven't been able to prove that."

Sir, have you not been reading your own, "Responses to me?"

Next, have you not been reading my responses to your claims where even a "Pro-abortionist." and Neutral Embryology disprooves your assertion/claim.

I can provide more but so far you haven't been able to provide any "Meaningful Responses." other than the US Constitution and the following Questionable Statement:

""At least 50% of fertilized eggs never implant, and spontaneously abort,""
---john9346 on 11/17/17


strongaxe states, "God has the right to take life. However, he sometimes delegates this power to man (e.g. in the OT)."

Thank you for answering God has the right to take life. Now in the OT when God delegated the right to take life what were the stipulations and tell us which one of those stipulations includes "Abortion?"

strongaxe states, "The problem is assuming there's a single moment before which life does not exist and after which life does. Many processes are gradual and have no such single moment."

Sir, your now violating the Laws of Logic of which you love because everything has a beginning that exist as a scientist you should know this...
---john9346 on 11/17/17


Cluny. Axe admitted he's Left.

Kathr & Sammuell remain silent about atrocities like the Left's baby murder platform (just as Lefties like AXE do), whilst they obsess with lessor issues and lies the Left push about REPs.

Monk Brendon likewise sides with the Left admitting his welfare dependency is a factor in being Left.

And I do recall one occasion where you joined with Monk in defending the Left's LGBTQI deviancy indoctrination (deceitfully called "safe schools") of school children, which the founder, the Marxist Roz Ward, admitted is Marxist indoctrination.

In contrast, others here prefer the Conservative side of politics and thus disagree with those I've listed above.



---Haz27 on 11/17/17


Haz27:

You quote Bezmanov like a broken record. It's easy to dismiss people by lumping them into groups of people who need not be listened to.

I never dismiss what YOU say because of who you are or what you believe, but only based on what you SAY and how you say it (e.g. by using faulty logical reasoning).

As far as vitriol goes on these blogs, YOU seem to be the one most recently who frequently pejoratives and divisive terms.

I have repeatedly stated that I abhor abortion, yet you conveniently ignore this fact and keep asking why we remain silent. Removing the beam from your eye might make it easier to read things that don't conveniently conform to your anti-left bias.
---StrongAxe on 11/17/17


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MONK. You're a Leftist thus blinded by Left's propaganda filter.

Ex Communists like Russian KGB defector Yuri Bezmanov, and academic David Horowitz warned that people like you are brainwashed & controlled by Left's dominance over megaphones of public narrative (media, Hollywood, universities, politics).

As for "vitriol", the past decades of Left's oppressive PC tyranny shutting down public debate is proof where real vitriol exists.

To love others (even if they're Leftists), then we preach gospel to them so they too may have JC.

BTW, you deflect from the question. Why do you Lefties remain silent about Left's atrocities like abortion whilst you obsess over the speck in eye of REPs?
---Haz27 on 11/17/17


\\strongaxe states, "At least 50% of fertilized eggs never implant, and spontaneously abort," \\

How was this ever determined?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/17/17


\\Haz 27 said, "What concerns me is that Left wing Christians here attack Conservatives over the speck in their eye, whilst they conveniently remain silent about the atrocities of the Left such as their abortion platform. "\\

Haz, who on these blogs do you consider to be a left-wing Christian, and why?

I shall await your answer with longing.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/17/17


Haz27 said, "MONK. You did speak in defense of DEMs welfare system. You even defended the selective outrage & distorted morals of Lefties who remain silent about abortion, whilst they obsess about speck in eye of REPs."

Haz, you have NO idea of the political issues in America. You have an Australian filter through which you look at American news. Even when reading American news such as Washington Post or NY Times, that filter is still in front of your eyes.

Don't worry about taking off that filter. That can only be done by living in America, and identifying yourself AS American.

Just keep Waltzing with Matilda, and instead of focusing on Left vs Right, think about living in Christ.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/17/17


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john9346:

I never said LIFE doesn't begin at conception. I just challenge anyone to prove HUMAN BEINGS begin at conception. You haven't been able to prove that.

The Bible refers to "having breath" as being a defining condition.

The problem is assuming there's a single moment before which life does not exist and after which life does. Many processes are gradual and have no such single moment.

Give a poor man a penny every second. After 3 years, he will have a million dollars. At what point during that time does he become rich - i.e. he is rich, but a second earlier he wasn't? There is no such point.

God has the right to take life. However, he sometimes delegates this power to man (e.g. in the OT).
---StrongAxe on 11/17/17


To recap:

1. strongaxe has been unable to proove to us that life doesn't begin at the moment of conception.

2. Strongaxe has been unable to show us since he denies that lifebegins at conception when life actually begins.

3. Strongaxe once stated that he is a scientist, but here he is choosing to go against "Science." for "Ideaology." that is "Subjective."

4. The only proof from strongaxe has been his "Interpretation." of the US Constitution and not, "Medical Science." (Embryology)
---john9346 on 11/17/17


question strongaxe needs to answer:

1. who has the right to give and take life God or man??

2. how is a body malfunctioning basis for justifying "Abortion."

3. You do know that the 2-year old boy in comparison to the 90 year old man is not fully developed in vissibility, consciousness, cognition, breathing, moving, and feeling correct??
---john9346 on 11/17/17


Haz27 said, "MONK. You did speak in defense of DEMs welfare system. You even defended the selective outrage & distorted morals of Lefties who remain silent about abortion, whilst they obsess about speck in eye of REPs."

That is not what I said. I said that I support Social Security, as that is the ONLY income I have, and without it, I would not even live for a week, out on the streets.

But the only vitriol I am sensing is from YOU. Besides, you are deflecting, again. I keep asking about what YOU, personally are doing to LOVE those same Lefties that you pour acid upon, and (in my impression) seem to hate so much. But I still pray for (and love) all of them.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/17/17


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Haz27:

Again, instead of welfare mothers losing their babies to abortion, you would have starving mothers without welfare losing their babies to malnutrition.

Under Obamacare, more Americans had access to health care than at any time in the nation's history. Now Republicans are trying to repeal all that, taking away the health care from tens of millions. If you want to talk about death and disease, just wait. That will come soon enough.

Jesus said "the poor will be with you always". Liberals recognize this. Conservatives think they can permanently solve the problem by starving them to death.
---StrongAxe on 11/17/17


AXE. The culture of welfare dependency results in high baby murder/abortion levels (particularly of blacks in poverty), murders and injury through crime & domestic violence, death and disease through substance abuse, etc, etc. You are aware of this, right?

Interestingly, welfare dependency conveniently results in a permanent underclass of voters for the Left due to it's offer of the perpetual welfare teat.



---Haz27 on 11/17/17


Haz27:

I didn't say destructive welfare dependency is GOOD. I said being on welfare (that has the risk of creating welfare dependency, making it difficult to recover) is BETTER than staving to death (which makes recovery impossible).

It's the same with powerful drugs. With them, there is a risk of addiction. Without them, there is a risk of death, which is much worse.

I had a friend who was scheduled to get a triple bypass, but his insurance was cancelled the day before surgery, so he couldn't have it and died a few months later. This is what cutting health care can do.

Say what you want about what happens in Australia. I don't care. I have enough things to worry about here in the U.S.
---StrongAxe on 11/16/17


MONK. You did speak in defense of DEMs welfare system. You even defended the selective outrage & distorted morals of Lefties who remain silent about abortion, whilst they obsess about speck in eye of REPs.
Seems you're unsettled that Left's shameful disregard for others well being, and their abusive PC vitriol is exposed.

AXE. A young lady recently told me her story. She is the only one in her family who escaped the destructive welfare dependence cycle. She avoids her alcoholic, violent parents and sister as their welfare dependence destroys them. In contrast she has self respect, a job as a nurse, an apartment and car. She would strongly disagree with your claim that destructive welfare dependency is ok.

---Haz27 on 11/16/17


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AXE. Another example of the Left's heartlessness & hate was seen in Aust recently when a newspaper cartoonist drew a cartoon accurately depicting the lack of parental supervision and care within Aboriginal communities that the Left's welfare dependency creates, resulting in substance abuse, violence, family breakdown, crime.

Leftist lawyers immediately sought out any Aboriginals who they could convince to take offence at the cartoon. They then got Leftist dominated (anti) Human Rights commission to lay charges of racial hate.

Although the judge ruled in cartoonist's favor, the Fascist Left's Human Rights commission' s lawfare against him caused such stress that it contributed to his massive heart attack and death.
---Haz27 on 11/16/17


Haz27:

When someone has no money to buy food, there are two solutions: the Democratic one, where they get welfare (and might become dependent), or the Republican one, where they get none, and starve to death. Which is worse?

Right now, we have a similar "opioid crisis" here. Because some people become dependent on opioids (a bad thing), the government is working to make opioids difficult to impossible to obtain, so those who actually need them must suffer in pain (an even worse thing).

The "because some abuse a thing, none should have it" mentality seems to predominate Republican thinking, in almost everything except guns, because they LOVE their guns.
---StrongAxe on 11/16/17


Haz 27 said, "MONK BRENDAN. The DEMs create poverty. We see the same from the Left here in Australia. The heartless Left have no "love for neighbor". They have no compassion, using such labels merely as deceitful propaganda for political gain."

But I wasn't talking about Dems or lefties, I was inquiring of the love that YOU are commanded to give to those same lefties, because they ARE your neighbors.

From what I read and receive, vitriol seems to be your big plan.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/16/17


strongaxe states, "Biologically, a 90 year old man and a 2 year old boy are both visible, conscious, capable of thinking, breathing, moving, and feeling.

You do know that the 2-year old boy in comparison to the 90 year old man is not fully developed in vissibility, consciousness, cognition, breathing, moving, and feeling correct??

Strongaxe states, "Biologicially, a one day old embryo is none of those (no brain, lungs, legs, sense organs)."

But the "Embryo." is human as the prior sources I've stated from Abortionist and Neutral Embryology.

Your also stating an error because embryos are detected...
---john9346 on 11/16/17


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A zygote is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm unites with a female gamete or oocyte to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.
Keith L. Moore and T.V.N. Persaud, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998) p.2.
---john9346 on 11/16/17


strongaxe states, "At least 50% of fertilized eggs never implant, and spontaneously abort,"

Giving that this is true? Not sure how the body malfunctioning is basis for justifying "Murder."

strongaxe said, "If all abortion is murder, God is the biggest murderer there is."

Tell me, who has the right to give and take life God or man??
---john9346 on 11/16/17


AXE. The DEMs create poverty by encouraging welfare dependence. DEMs governed cities created similar poverty with broken families, violence, hopelessness, etc, as was typical under DEMs slave owners.

Same in Aust. Leftist welfare system destroys Aborigines and others.
When a conservative politician pointed out this obvious fact, the Left rabidly attacked her as a racist (a common Leftist projection). BUT, when an Aboriginal leader made the SAME CLAIM later, he was praised as an insightful man.

BTW, your comrade, NurseRob, routinely resorts to obfuscation & deflection to avoid answering questions, whilst he falsely alleges I don't answer his. I suggest you take your political bias glasses off.




---Haz27 on 11/16/17


Haz27:

NurseRobert actually responded to your statements, and then said you don't debate. Instead of responding to him and demonstrating how you do, you resort to name-calling and deflection. Accusing him of deflection in the first sentence is very rich, considering that this is EXACTLY what you did in this message. No actual facts, merely accusations.

I can't speak for AU, but in the U.S., Republicans create poverty by systematically removing all the safety nets the poor have. In their latest budget, they say the average middle class income is $450000, despite the median income being only $59000, showing just how out of touch with reality they are.
---StrongAxe on 11/15/17


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Truth hurts, doesnt it Haz?

You dont answer because you cant. You have no clue what you would do. It would mean you would have to act instead of just complain.
---NursrRobert on 11/15/17


NURSE. Since you always resort to deflection and obfuscation to avoid answering my questions, Im not surprised that here you are doing it again.

And of course you couldnt help yourself and resorted to one of the Lefts favorite pejoritives (and projections), the label of bigot.

The Left truly control you.
---Haz27 on 11/15/17


---Haz27 on 11/15/17

You don't debate, you would rather make generalities.

An answer to your question... I reject your premise. You claim "the left", a group you cannot identify, is silent about abortion. That is a flat out lie. You love to group people into categories, and in doing so show what a bigot you are.

You cannot even answer a simple question. You avoid any direct question asked of you. You would rather just sit back and complain instead of putting down your Fosters and getting off the couch..
---NurseRobert on 11/15/17


MONK BRENDAN. The DEMs create poverty. We see the same from the Left here in Australia. The heartless Left have no "love for neighbor". They have no compassion, using such labels merely as deceitful propaganda for political gain.

Hillary mentor, the Marxist Saul Alinsky, confirmed that supposed "compassion" is merely a tactic for the overriding goal of gaining more political power.

NURSE. As always you deflect and obfuscate to avoid answering questions, and to divert debate into some rabbit warren.
Have you ever considered changing your style of debate?
---Haz27 on 11/15/17


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john9346:

Biologically, a 90 year old man and a 2 year old boy are both visible, conscious, capable of thinking, breathing, moving, and feeling. Legally, a 90 year old man and a 2 year old boy are considered human beings for purposes of citizenship and census.

Biologicially, a one day old embryo is none of those (no brain, lungs, legs, sense organs). Legally, it is has no citizenship and is not included in the census. It cannot even be detected.

At least 50% of fertilized eggs never implant, and spontaneously abort, so God (designer of the human reproductive system) is responsible for 50%+ of all abortions ever. If all abortion is murder, God is the biggest murderer there is. Think on that.
---StrongAxe on 11/15/17


strongaxe states, "A one-day-old embryo of a human has much more in common with a one-day-old embryo of a cat than a human baby."

strongaxe, tell us, what is the difference between a "Human Being." and a "Person??"

strongaxe, is a 90 year old man more of a human than a 2 year old boy??
---john9346 on 11/14/17


Haz 27 said, "What concerns me is that Left wing Christians here attack Conservatives over the speck in their eye, whilst they conveniently remain silent about the atrocities of the Left such as their abortion platform. "

I have heard this argument for a long time. It is not a valid argument, for it shows only that you care for the life of the unborn, but it doesn't show your capacity to love your neighbor, in being a care giver to an old man, or shopping with someone who is blind. At least the Dems were trying to keep Social Security, and so on.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/14/17


It is possible to give human being a precise meaning. We can use it as equivalent to member of the species Homo sapiens. Whether a being is a member of a given species is something that can be determined scientifically, by an examination of the nature of the chromosomes in the cells of living organisms. In this sense there is no doubt that from the first moments of its existence an embryo conceived from human sperm and eggs is a human being. (Peter Singer, Practical Ethics, 2nd ed., Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1993, pp.85-86.)
---john9346 on 11/14/17


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Perhaps the most straightforward relation between you and me on the one hand and every human fetus on the other is this: All are living members of the same species, Homo sapiens. A human fetus after all is simply a human being at a very early stage in his or her development. (David Boonin, A Defense of Abortion, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 2003, p. 20.)
---john9346 on 11/14/17


---Haz27 on 11/14/17

No Haz, you didn't. I asked what you WOULD do and you gave reasons why you are not doing anything.

Yes, us "lefties" (ahh, you and your pajoratives.. you know the ones you claim not to use) I have give you my stand on abortion multiple times, but you still lump us all together. My personal beliefs actually fall very close to Jerry's church's beliefs. Have you ever heard of Democrats for Life? You prefer to make blanket statements that have no meaning.

My question remains valid.. What WOULD you do?
---NurseRobert on 11/14/17


18 days after conception, babys heart begins to beat.
6 weeks, brain waves can be measured.
8 weeks, vital organs are functioning and fingerprints formed.
9 weeks, baby is able to feel pain.
At 11 weeks old, babies breathe (fluid), swallow, digests, sleeps, dreams, wakes, tastes, hears, and feels pain.

What has God said regarding unborn?
"The Lord hath called me from the womb: from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name" (Isaiah 49:1)
"Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us within our mothers?" (Job 31:15)
"you knit me together in my mothers womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made" (Ps 139:13-14)
---Haz27 on 11/15/17


NURSE, I've answered the question as such a voting block will force change.

But you seem to be avoiding the issue which is why you Lefties always remain silent about the baby slaughter platform of your side of politics. In fact here you are even trying to deflect debate down some rabbit warren to avoid answering my question.

Does the Left really have that much control over you that as a Christian you can't even bring yourself to dealing with the issue of the heartless Left's atrocities like murdering babies?
---Haz27 on 11/14/17


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Nicole Lacey said, "Yes we can! Killing babies is TOTALLY EVIL!
WHY CAN'T YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT??"

Nicole, while I understand and agree that killing babies is evil, that is not all of the left's platform. There are, actually, many of the planks on their 2016 platform that I would vote FOR. BUT, because the price tag was at least four years of Hillary, I wasn't about to pay the price.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/14/17


john9346:

You wrote: The science of embryology is clear. From the earliest stages of development, the unborn are distinct, living, and whole human beings. Therefore, every successful abortion ends the life of a living human being. (Scott Klusendorf, The Case for Life, Crossway Books, 2009, p. 35.)

Yes, they are unique, distinct, and alive. However, that doesn't in and of itself prove that they are human beings. A one-day-old embryo of a human has much more in common with a one-day-old embryo of a cat than a human baby.

As far as critical landmarks go, the only one the Bible specifically mentions is drawing breath.
---StrongAxe on 11/14/17


The science of embryology is clear. From the earliest stages of development, the unborn are distinct, living, and whole human beings. Therefore, every successful abortion ends the life of a living human being. (Scott Klusendorf, The Case for Life, Crossway Books, 2009, p. 35.)
sue:

Although life is a continuous process, fertilization (which, incidentally, is not a moment) is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte. (Ronan ORahilly and Fabiola Muller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd ed., New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001, p.8.)
---john9346 on 11/14/17


As long as the Christian vote remains divided... -Haz27 on 11/13/17

You are avoiding the question. What would YOU do to stop abortions? Why can't you answer that?
---NurseRobert on 11/14/17


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Haz27:

Abortion is not a law a majority can merely decide to overturn. It's a supreme court decision on the interpretation of the constitution. To change that requires amending the constitution which is possible, but very difficult.

First, it must be proposed by a 2/3 majority of both house and senate. It must then be ratified by 3/4 of the states. (A constitutional convention is also possible, but that has never been done.)

The right currently has a majority in both houses, but getting a 2/3 supermajority is unlikely.

50% of American marriages end in divorce - INCLUDING Christian ones, and Christians can't even outlaw something Jesus explicitly condemned, so good luck getting Christians to vote as a principled group.
---StrongAxe on 11/14/17


NURSEROB. As long as the Christian vote remains divided then the Left can maintain it's agenda for easier abortions.

If the Christian vote was united against easier abortion policy's, then you see how fast political leaders comply when they see such a large voting block.

So what about you, why do you remain silent about baby slaughter, whilst you criticize Conservatives for the speck in the eye?
---Haz27 on 11/13/17


strongaxe:

"Yes, I have. However, there is much public debate on just what a "human being" is."

So sir tell me what is, "A Human Being." and when does life begin??

"The Bible does not call abortion murder, since that's just wilful miscarriage, and miscarriage isn't manslaughter,"

Sir, Exo 21:22-25 in Hebrew my friend Moses "Directly Contradicts you."

You are also incorrect because the authors of Scripture assume life never death...

"Under U.S. law, babies aren't legally people until they are born. They attain citizenship and civil rights at birth, not conception."

Wrong, men are in prison for killing the "Unborn Child."
---john9346 on 11/13/17


HAZ...Since you love this topic so much I would ask: What would you do to stop abortions?
---NurseRobert on 11/13/17


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john9346:

Yes, I have. However, there is much public debate on just what a "human being" is (and thus, whether or not abortion is "murder"). Pets are also alive, but killing them isn't murder because they aren't human beings.

The Bible does not call abortion murder, since that's just wilful miscarriage, and miscarriage isn't manslaughter, i.e. if two men fight and one's wife intervenes and miscarries as a result, the other must just pay a fine. Life is frequently defined by drawing breath.

Under U.S. law, babies aren't legally people until they are born. They attain citizenship and civil rights at birth, not conception.
---StrongAxe on 11/13/17


strongaxe states, "Much of the religious right bases their entire political agenda on one or two issues (abortion, LGBT) that Jesus never mentioned,"

Sir, have you not read Matt 19:4-6 Matt 19:18-20??

"You shall not murder."

Also, Matt 22:37-40?

If a woman murders her "Unborn Child." how is she loving the Lord Jesus with her body?? and how is she loving her child who is a Human Being??


---john9346 on 11/13/17


\\A little demonic twist to "As it is written" to make people believe that it is from the bible?\\

I never said it was in the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/13/17


Nicole_Lacey:

ONE girl was denied a transplant under Obama. Under Trump, MILLIONS of seniors will be denied Meals on Wheels (which cost less than his golf vacations). MILLIONS of children will be denied school lunches. MILLIONS of veterans will now have to buy into the GI bill. TENS OF MILLIONS will be denied health care.

You think DEATH 1ST at all times.

A Lie. *I* don't.

The left have nothing against marriage. THEY don't try to stop anyone from getting married. Even the right don't stop divorced from getting married, even though Jesus did.

IMPOSSIBLE FOR LGBT

How is it impossible for two LGBT to become one flesh? Christians rage over LGBT because of disgust that they DO become one flesh.
---StrongAxe on 11/13/17


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StrongAxe, the OBAMA's Administration Kathleen Sebelius was denying a dying 10yr old Sarah Murnaghan from having a lung transplant claiming she was too young for the procedure. Her mother had to sue the Government to change Organ regulations FORCING Sebelius (Obama)to let her LIVE.

So don't tell me the Left cares about children. You think DEATH 1ST at all times.

//..religious right bases their entire political agenda on one or two issues (abortion, LGBT) that Jesus never mentioned,//

He did! LIFE AND MARRIAGE.

Matt 19:5 "..For this reson a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his WIFE, and the two will become ONE FLESH. So they are NO LONGER TWO, but ONE FLES."

IMPOSSIBLE FOR LGBT
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/12/17


KATHR. I've no doubts Lefty's like you do not support abortion.

My concern is why you Lefties obsess over specs in the eye of Conservatives, whilst YOU REMAIN SILENT about the LEFT'S TRADEMARK ATROCITIES like abortion.

Only God's government is good, and His kingdom is not of this world.
But in this flawed world it's obvious some governments are a greater evil than others.

Lefties like you remain silent about atrocities like abortion simply because it would highlight the fact that YOUR side of politics is the greater evil.
We can see your attacks against Conservatives about the specs in their eye is simply a diversion to protect the greater evil of your side of politics.
That's how much the Left control you.
---Haz27 on 11/12/17


Haz27:

How so? In the U.S., recent Republican administrations (Reagan, Bush1+2) all created economic stagnation and rising debt, while recent Democratic administrations (Clinton, Obama) reversed those trends, bolstered the economy, increased employment, and reduced the debt.

Obamacare saw more Americans with health insurance than at any time in history. Meanwhile Trump's administration is defunding Meals on Wheels for the elderly disabled, school lunches for poor children, cutting health care, and the new budget will tax teachers who take money out of their OWN POCKETS to buy school supplies because the schools are too under-funded to pay for them. THIS is causing physical poverty, hunger, and sickness through poor governance.
---StrongAxe on 11/13/17


AXE. I didnt say you are pro abortion.

Whats concerning is the fact you obsess with accusations against Conservatives about specs in their eye, whilst you conveniently ignore the baby slaughter platform of YOUR side of politics.

Like I said elsewhere, your morally distorted selective outrage discredits your stance.

BTW, the Left oppose helping the spiritually needy.
But they do create much physical poverty, hunger, family breakdown, etc through their governance.
---Haz27 on 11/12/17


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Cluny wrote: "As it is written, "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.""

A little demonic twist to "As it is written" to make people believe that it is from the bible?

As for the post: Satan has had over two thousand years to divide christiandom up into over sixty five thousand different denominations each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible. Just because christians say they are christians it doesn't meant they are. True christians have practically evaporated from the face of this world.
---Steveng on 11/12/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Children without food and health care end up just as dead as if aborted.

Much of the religious right bases their entire political agenda on one or two issues (abortion, LGBT) that Jesus never mentioned, while issues he DID mention (divorce, feeding the poor, etc.) seem to be of little concern.

Republicans and Evangelicals rage about same-sex marriage (that affects less than 10% of the population), but are silent on divorce (that affects 50% of marriages, even Christian ones). They rage about transgender bathrooms (where assaults never occur), yet defend their politicians and preachers caught with hands under teenage skirts, blaming the victims. This is not Christianity. It is schizophrenia.
---StrongAxe on 11/12/17


StrongAxe: I never defended left pro-abortion policies.//

Read the question. 'Remain Silent' operative words. That is her point.

Silence is just as bad as defending policies in our minds (Haz and mine).

//You shouldn't believe the left is totally evil//

Yes we can! Killing babies is TOTALLY EVIL!
WHY CAN'T YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT??

//and the right is totally good either.

Because you think I refuse to fed a baby means you can kill a baby?

So in your mind, you REJECT the RIGHT because they refuse to feed, house, clothe and educate the Poor but LET their Babies LIVE.

You EMBRACE the LEFT who feeds, house, clothe, and educates the Poor but KILLS thousands of Babies daily.

?????
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/12/17


Cluny, StrongAxe isn't the only one on who is prolife on CN but very silent on abortion.

Or share their support for Candidates who are very vocal on Pro Abortion issue.

Plus, it doesn't matter about being right twice a day when you deny a person the time of day in the first place.

When they kill babies why would I care that they care about feeding hungry children?

Remember there was a serial killer who was also a Sunday School Teacher and a Boy Scout Leader.

Abortion is so bad, there isn't anything or combination of things on a platform that can excuse or make up for the evil of abortion.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/12/17


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Haz27:

I know this is aimed at me.

I never defended left pro-abortion policies. I DO defend left policies that coincide with things Jesus taught (e.g. feeding the poor), especially when the right opposes them. Neither party is monolithic. I don't believe the left is totally good and the right is totally evil. You shouldn't believe the left is totally evil and the right is totally good either. Sadly, many Trump supporters do.

Trump BOASTED he could shoot someone in the street and his supporters would still love him. One yesterday tweeted he would prefer a child molester in the Senate than a Democrat! Millions showed they would rather be ruled by adulterer and pervert, since they elected one even knowing he did these things.
---StrongAxe on 11/12/17


Haz27, just as you TWIST facts saying ONLY democrats were KKK members, WRONG, as I posted that lie on another of your rantings, you claim only the DEMS are for abortion. Wrong again, as we saw a Republican who was on the committee for pro-life tell his mistress to get an abortion. And not all Dems are for abortion.

I believe there are many Catholics who are Democrats totally opposed to abortion.

So I think the problem isn't anyone remaining silent, but the problem is YOUR constant FAKE LIES, that Christians who are not ALT RIGHT Conservatives are defending the left. YOU And YOUR false propaganda is the problem Haz27.

Even the POPE who is probably left is not silent about abortion.
---kathr4453 on 11/12/17


I like and dislike things about both the Democrats and Republicans. This is why I'm not affiliated with any Political Party. I vote my conscience.
---Rob on 11/12/17


RIGHT WING ATROCITY?

Jim Zeigler, the state auditor and former chairman of the Conservative Christians of Alabama and the state League of Christian Voters, told the Washington Examiner on Thursday that there is nothing wrong with a man in his early 30s dating a teen-ager. He cites both John the Baptist and Jesus, saying they were the progeny of men with much-younger wives./////

SICK so called Christian values. This 14 year old MOORE MOLESTED was NOT his wife. And also the LAWS of the land call it ILLEGAL. This is so called Christianity at its worst, justifying sexual Preditors on teenage girls as Godly interaction.

I tell you what...ALABAMA is a sick state. Isn't this bogus Christian values NOT UPHOLDING THE CONSTITUTION?
---kathr4453 on 11/12/17


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With this last post I must remind people of Warren Jeffs attitude towards molesting underage girls and marrying them. He got life plus 20. But you can be sure he too probably used verses on how young Mary and Elizabeth were....who knows.

Is Christianity in Alabama a CULT like the LDS branch who justifying molesting young girls in the name of God. Well, I'll bet oh say $100 that evil democrats would never use that excuse to child molest. I wonder if Warren Jeffs and all those who practice child molestation in the name of God are REPUBLICANS. Like you say Haz27, the left don't hide behind God for their crimes do they?
---kathr4453 on 11/12/17


Cluny. I know AXE is pro life.

What concerns me is that Left wing Christians here attack Conservatives over the speck in their eye, whilst they conveniently remain silent about the atrocities of the Left such as their abortion platform.
---Haz27 on 11/11/17


IF this is aimed at StrongAxe, I can assure you he's pro-life.

As far as "defending the Left," a person or group may be right in some things and wrong in others. As it is written, "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/11/17


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