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As I have been reading the postings I am wondering:

Why should I convert to Eastern Orthodoxy or Roman Catholicism?

Can you please give me Solid Reasons??

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I am sorry, John but Monk isn't even Catholic. So how can he speak for the Catholic Church. I gave you Catholic sources.

I explained when you were mistaken about the Catholic Church.

What are you talking about fish on Fridays?

It isn't fish but meatless Fridays. A difference.

You can eat fish, but you don't have to eat fish. They don't want people to go to Red Lobster on Fridays because that defeats the purpose.

The Church wants us to sacrifices something more on Fridays to relate to Jesus since He died on a Friday. Meat is considered a rich man's food.

But meatless Fridays (Ash Wednesday) are mandated during Lent. Every other Fridays we can eat meat as long as we sacrifice something else.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/17


I oppose praying to anyone but GOD. Why? Because our only High Priest is Jesus Christ our only intercessor.

Asking someone to pray for you does not require you lighting candles to them or getting on your knees to them.

We pray to Jesus.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/4/17


Nicole:

respectfully, do you understandand know what your own religion states on this matter? Its obvious you didn't understand my question to Brendan?? RC Authroities corrects...

Cluny:

Your reasoning for not debating the Marian Dogmas is very lame because I believe in the Bless Incarnation.

See blogs "Fish for Friday." and Eastern Orthodox Doctrines. On these blogs I corrected you and Brendan regarding the rcc teaching that Mary is CoRedeemer.
---john9346 on 12/3/17


John, CC states Co-Redemptrixin accordance to her role in Salvation History.

***At this point it is worth explaining that we dont suggest that Marys cooperation with God is equal to Christs work. It is of a different order, but it is necessary nonetheless. Mother Teresas words "No Mary, No Jesus" express a profound truth. God chose to bring his Son into the world through the cooperation of Mary. Without that cooperation there would have been no Incarnation and therefore no Redemption.
---Catholic Answers, 'Mary, Mother of Salvation' How to Explain the "Co-Redemptrix" to Evangelicals by Fr. Dwight Longnecker Dec 1 2007

Almost in the same line as when Paul states we are co-worker with Christ or God in 1Cor 3:9
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/3/17


questions that couldn't be answered:

1. Cluny could never provide for us all his understanding of the definition of Sola Scriptura and Solus Christus.

2. Brendan could never answer how do you love God as much as you can and When does someone know if they love God at all...

3. Brendan could never answer what is a Mortal Sin that if committed no purgatory.

4. Brendan could never answer the question (Heart of the matter) in Jn 19:30 was Jesus's Sacrifice Sufficient and if so why purgatory?

5. I pray that God bring Brendan, Cluny and Nicole to repentance before its to late for them...
---john9346 on 12/3/17




To recap:

1. Brendan and Cluny started to deny that the Eastern Orthodox and RCC Religions believe that the Eucharist is, "Propitiatory."

2. When Brendan andCluny were provided sources/authorities that corrected them, they begin to deflect/avoid the real issue.

3. Brendan and Cluny expresses a lack of knowledge in the meaning of "Propitiatory."

4. I challenge Cluny to show the following from "Scripture.", "I believe our Lord's words, "It is finished," refer to His OWN work, not our participation
---john9346 on 12/3/17


\\Your also being untruful because you have been in discussion about the Marian Dogmas on Several Blogs.\\

Maybe I've learned the folly of trying to discuss Marian doctrines with those who don't believe the Incarnation properly.

Please refresh my memory, and tell me WHICH conciliar or papal documents say that Mary is Co-redemptrix.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/3/17


John: according to RCC Theology if you commit a Mortal Sin you go to hell?//

It's called Mortal sin for that reason. Or do you think killing someone and pinching someone should have the same punishment? One is killed and the other is harmed.

//Do you know how many times you go to mass and take the sacraments you still must go to purgatory, your still not pure for heaven?---john

You are confused.

You can go to Mass without receiving the Great Sacrament the Holy Eucharist.

It is the Eucharist that Saves not the Mass.

Plus, if you take the Eucharist in a unworthy manner you commit a mortal sin. Forget Purgatory, if they die before confession. YOU GO TO HELL. 1 Cor. 11:27-29

You are very confused.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/3/17


Cluny: "The SDA is not it, because EGW is a FALSE prophet."

That's your opinion, but I think you're wrong. I could state that you're a false Christian, but you'd disagree.

Instead, why not show how your Orthodox Church keeps ALL God's Commandments and has a true prophet.



---Jerry6593 on 12/3/17


cluny states, "However, NO CHURCH, including the Roman Catholic, teaches that Mary is co-redemptix. You are getting too close to slander by implying it."

Sir, directly your stating "Falsely." This has all ready been shown on many blogs..

Your also being untruful because you have been in discussion about the Marian Dogmas on Several Blogs...
---john9346 on 12/2/17




Monk Brendan said, "Treaching" Try reading the history of the Church from the first Pentecost up to the Reformation, and then tell me who's arrogant and ignorant."

If someone genuinely reads the history of the Church from about 30AD to 1517 AD without the influence of anyone, they will not postulate that the rcc, Melkite, or the EOC are those churches...

I'm a living witness I once believed these religions represented 2000 years of (Church History) until I commenced a study reading the fathers in "
Context."
---john9346 on 12/2/17


\\Mary's perpetual virginity, immaculate conception, assumption, co-redemptrix, and mediatrix. \\

It is pointless to discuss Marian doctrines in the present of people who don't even believe the Virgin's Son is God Incarnate, and therefore I shall not.

However, NO CHURCH, including the Roman Catholic, teaches that Mary is co-redemptix. You are getting too close to slander by implying it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/2/17


\\Find a church that keeps all ten of God's Commandments and has a true prophet.\\

The SDA is not it, because EGW is a FALSE prophet.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/2/17


O.B.: I agree that the doctrine of "Salvation by Denomination" is bogus. However the true church of today is prophesied in the Bible as the remnant:

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 19:10 ... the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Find a church that keeps all ten of God's Commandments and has a true prophet.


---Jerry6593 on 12/2/17


Cluny:

Before responding I hope everyone can see Cluny's Tactics when he and Monk Brendan are confronted with the real issues...

Now addressing Cluny

I never stated that 1-singgle Denomination is the only true church

Tell us, proove to us how the Eastern Orthodox is the only true church?

The Eastern Christians believed, taught, and defended "Sola Scriptura.", but the EOC of today deny this Essential Guide and Principle of Faith.
---john9346 on 12/2/17


Irenaeus said, ""We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith."
---john9346 on 12/2/17


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The church of Acts 2 did not teach or practice the following:



Mary's perpetual virginity, immaculate conception, assumption, co-redemptrix, and mediatrix.

papal primacy and infallibility, the priesthood, purgatory, indulgences, confession, penance, the Eukarist, the mass, the veneration of icons and dead saints, and Sola Ekklesia.


This church was not the EOC nor the RCC...
---john9346 on 12/2/17


Obamasboy said, "I literally laughed ... first time I heard a Catholic say that the Catholic Church is the original Church established by Jesus Christ and that when the word "Church" appears in the Bible, it is talking about the Roman Catholic Church..I felt the same way again when I later heard an Eastern Orthodox make the same claim about their church..."

Oh? What was it, a bunch of guys sitting on the floor in blue jeans and T-shirts, and one guy wearing a three-piece polyester suit preaching" Try reading the history of the Church from the first Pentecost up to the Reformation, and then tell me who's arrogant and ignorant.
---Monk_Brendan on 12/2/17


\\ I couldn't believe that anyone could be so ignorant and arrogant. \\

Do yyou actually think the Bible is talking about YOUR church, Obamasboy?

Gory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/1/17


I literally laughed wmtje first time I heard a Catholic say that the Catholic Church is the original Church established by Jesus Christ and that when the word "Church" appears in the Bible, it is talking about the Roman Catholic Church. I couldn't believe that anyone could be so ignorant and arrogant. I felt the same way again when I later heard an Eastern Orthodox make the same claim about their church. Some people are literally THAT ignorant.
---ObamasBoy on 12/1/17


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\\Greatpoint the Eastern Orthodox and Melkite Catholics are not the original church established by the Lord Jesus Christ.\\

You don't actually think that YOURS was, do you. john9846?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/1/17


Bill states, "Even before Jesus, there were wrong religious groups. So, claiming that a group has leaders going back to Jesus does not prove Jesus approved of them."

Greatpoint the Eastern Orthodox and Melkite Catholics are not the original church established by the Lord Jesus Christ. This myth has been debunked so many time on this blog.

Brendan has admitted this as well as fact...
---john9346 on 12/1/17


To recap:

1. Brendan and Cluny started to deny that the Eastern Orthodox and RCC Religions believe that the Eucharist is, "Propitiatory."

2. When Brendan andCluny were provided sources/authorities that corrected them, they begin to deflect/avoid the real issue.

3. Brendan and Cluny expresses a lack of knowledge in the meaning of "Propitiatory."

4. I challenge Cluny to show the following from "Scripture.", "I believe our Lord's words, "It is finished," refer to His OWN work, not our participation in it."
---john9346 on 12/1/17


cluny You state, "This is a Latin word, NOT a Greek word.
I believe our Lord's words, "It is finished," refer to His OWN work, not our participation in it."

Can you provide "Scripture." verses in context for your assertion.

Also, you do know right that propitiatory Meaning is the same in the Greek and Latin??
---john9346 on 11/30/17


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cluny states, "Eastern Christians don't think in terms of mortal and venial sin."

Correct, but it is implied but this is another debate for another day.

Finding it telling that "Monk Brendan."couldn't answer this since it was addressed to him??
---john9346 on 11/30/17


Monk Brendan states, "Oh really? How about this posting?"

Sir, on the blog, "Preterists and Futurists." I addressed you by monk so not sure why you are choosing to engage in immature and very dishonest Tactics... Your suppose to be setting an example and to be a leader like the monks of old...

I can only conclude that the topic makes you feel uncontherable and you don't have answers so your attempting to derail and deflect.

Brendan, I love you my friend and if your truly honest you know I have never said anything to Personally Attack, insult, or demean you. So lets move on ok?
---john9346 on 11/30/17


Cowboy#1fan, question. In your question above, you asked why should you "CONVERT" to this or that. My question is, what are you now that you feel you need to convert? Unless you are say, Jewish, Hindu, Islam, Mormon etc, then you would actually be converting to CHRISTIANITY, not a denomination.

If you are already a Christian, why would you convert to a supposed denomination? OR as some would say, a cult not even Chriatian?
---kathr4453 on 11/29/17


John 9346 said, "Sir first, your integrity is really falling here... "I." have addressed you as Monk Brendan."

Oh really? How about this posting?

"Mr. Brendan, what is Calvinism and what is a monk?"

There you are calling me Mr, and Sir. After you asked me not to call you John of the Numbers, I quit doing it, as you should have noticed.

When I was tonsured a monk, (which can be a hermit in the wilderness, or one of a number of many monks living in a monastery. Monos is the Greek for Alone) I took the name Brendan, because I have a special devotion to St. Brendan.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/29/17


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\\To add maybe Brendan cann tell us all what is a "Mortal Sin." that if committed you go straight to Hell and not purgatory.\\

Eastern Christians don't think in terms of mortal and venial sin.

If you want to know the Latin church's teaching on this subject, I'm sure there are sites discussing it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/29/17


It would need to be because God has you to do so. Because we are not God to know if claims of past historians are really the truth or merely what religious people in political power promoted while hushing out what the gentle and humble people of Jesus were doing.

Also, even before Jesus, there were wrong religious groups. So, claiming that a group has leaders going back to Jesus does not prove Jesus approved of them.

Jesus knows, Jesus is able to personally guide you (c: We are not God to know who each religious leader really is.

But God does provide us with examples to take care of us > 1 Timothy 3:1-10, Hebrews 13:17. And God knows whom He approves (c:
---Bill on 11/29/17


"Can someone here tell me what must I do to be save?" ---cowboys#1_Fan
I personally don't think anyone here can say it any better than Apostle Paul and Silas already has, and in their own words, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Act 16:31 What I have been given to embrace concerning that is if we simply adhere to, trust in, and rely on, the Lord Jesus, the Christ, we will indeed be saved.
---josef on 11/29/17


Brendan ask, "John 9346, why don't you address me as Monk Brendan? I don't address you as anything other than "John 9346."

Sir first, your integrity is really falling here... "I." have addressed you as Monk Brendan.

You have addressed me as "John of the Numbers." following Cluny's lead, you stopped when I called you on it.

A couple weeks ago I ask Strongaxe how you were doing. What's interesting is since you have not been on the blogs the majority here except for me and Rob ask how were you doing...


So tell me, is this a heart of hatred for you?
---john9346 on 11/29/17


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John9346,

Thank you for the citations its very helpful.

Mr. Brendan, what is Calvinism and what is a monk?
---john9346 on 11/29/17


Can someone here tell me what must I do to be save?

I don't want to go to hell folks?
---cowboys#1_Fan on 11/29/17


\\If you know Greek as you state you do then you would know sir that "Propitiatory." is "Propitiatory."\\

This is a Latin word, NOT a Greek word.

I believe our Lord's words, "It is finished," refer to His OWN work, not our participation in it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/29/17


Cowboys#1 Fan:

Make note of how Brendan is deflecting from answering the questions:

Brendan, should tell us how do you love God as much as you can? When does someone know if they love God at all?

To add maybe Brendan cann tell us all what is a "Mortal Sin." that if committed you go straight to Hell and not purgatory.
---john9346 on 11/29/17


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questions that need to be answered:

1. I'm waiting for Cluny to provide for us all his understanding of the definition of Sola Scriptura and Solus Christus?

2. I'm waiting for Brendan to tell us how do you love God as much as you can and When does someone know if they love God at all?

3. I'm waiting for Brendan to tell us what is a Mortal Sin that if committed no purgatory.

4. Brendan tell us in Jn 19:30 was Jesus's Sacrifice Sufficient and if so why purgatory?
---john9346 on 11/29/17


John 9346 said, "I expected better behavior from you as a monk then to "Bear False Witness." about me stating that I "Hate Catholics."
You need to apologize sir because your lying and to be a monk?? If the monks of old just read what you stated you would be disgraced..."


If I have offended you, I apologize. But you do seem to be ready to jump on any particle of what you consider, "unBiblical," and that mostly seems to be the Catholic Church.

If you don't hate us, you have no overpowering love for us. And I do speak with integrity.

BTW. if the monks of old (as you call them) read what you said, they would come down a lot harder on you than I have.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/28/17


John 9346, why don't you address me as Monk Brendan? I don't address you as anything other than "John 9346."

It may seem pointless, but monk as a profession goes back 1700 years or so. Or is it you have no respect for me as a monk or as a person?

If that's so, then why bother trying to correct me? I'm not going to get more "saved" by listening to your Calvinist doctrine. And if I haven't been "elected" then you can't save me, can you.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/28/17


Brendan:

1. According to "Scripture." when Jesus saves someone he saves them there is no need for purgatory do you remember the Greek Word of the Lord Jesus he uttered in Jn 19:30 (Tetelestai)?

2. If the Eucharist is a "Propitiatory Sacrifice." which you say that it is then the mass is, "Blasphemous."

Cluny,

If you know Greek as you state you do then you would know sir that "Propitiatory." is "Propitiatory."
---john9346 on 11/28/17


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Brendan,

Sir, you yourself admitted the following on the blog, "Finish It Here June 2016." :

"Yes, it is Propitiatory, but not the way you are trying to get me to say. The Sacrifice was once for all, it is never repeated, but is nonetheless new every time."
---Monk_Brendan on 6/28/16
---john9346 on 11/28/17


brendan states, "If you are cooperating with Jesus, "saved," if you will, and are loving Him as much a you can, and living for Him, and you are loving yourneighbor as you love yourself, then you will get to heaven, right?"

Cowboys#1 fan,

Notice Brendan's Uncertainty to you, "if you will, and are loving Him as much a you can," Brendan should tell us how do you love God as much as you can? When does someone know if they love God at all?
---john9346 on 11/28/17


Brendan,

I expected better behavior from you as a monk then to "Bear False Witness." about me stating that I "Hate Catholics."

You need to apologize sir because your lying and to be a monk?? If the monks of old just read what you stated you would be disgraced...

There is no where on this blog where I have ever said anything hateful to you so in front of many here you need to apologize.

Monks were men who certainly dealt honestly with integrity...

Many here are waiting and watching
---john9346 on 11/28/17


Nicole said, "Only those born into the Levy family were Priests...No one can come centuries later and claim to be a priest based on his or her own will or wishes. "

First of all, when a Catholic or Orthodox man feels he is called by God to be a priest, it is not his own will or wish. It is God.

However, by YOUR statement, even Jesus could not be a priest, as He is not of the house of Levi.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/27/17


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John 9346 kindly pointed out a canon from the Council of Trent.

Jesus died for our sins, right?

Okay. The Eucharist is us standing at the last Supper and at the foot of the Cross, witnessing those same events, understanding that Jesus, in His death and Resurrection is AT THIS MOMENT making propitiation for our sins. We see His Body, broken for us, and His Blood shed for us. This is done by the Holy Spirit (who, as God, can do anything). Do you understand?
---Monk_Brendan on 11/27/17


Cowboys#1fan said, "Mr. Brendan,

Is john9346 correct when he said your religion cant guarantee that I am save and I will still go to a place call purgatory...? "


The Catholic Church teaches that all in Purgatory ARE saved. John just hates Catholics.

If you are cooperating with Jesus, "saved," if you will, and are loving Him as much a you can, and living for Him, and you are loving yourneighbor as you love yourself, then you will get to heaven, right?

I don't know what denomination you are now, but do ALL of the members of that church--even secret pedophiles--get to heaven? Just so, limited to 125 words, I CAN'T guarantee that you will get to heaven in YOUR church or mine.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/27/17


\\according to Orthodox theology, the Eucharist is a propitiatory sacrifice (in Greek, thysia hilastirios), \\

"Propitiatory sacrifice" has a different meant to Orthodox than it does to Roman Catholics.

What does the Council of Trent or popular RC books have to do with Orthodoxy?

However, I refuse to get involved in such a discussion in front of people who on't even believe that Our Savior is God made Flesh.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/27/17


--If any one saith, that the sacrifice of the mass is only a sacrifice of praise and of thanksgiving, or, that it is a bare commemoration of the sacrifice consummated on the cross, but not a propitiatory sacrifice, or, that it profits him only who receives, and that it ought not to be offered for the living and the dead for sins, pains, satisfactions, and other necessities, let him be anathema.--

The Council of Trent Session 22 Canon 3
---john9346 on 11/27/17


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"WHEN THE PRIEST PRONOUNCES THE TREMENDOUS WORDS OF CONSECRATION, HE REACHES UP INTO HEAVENS, BRINGS CHRIST DOWN FROM HIS THRONE, AND PLACES HIM UPON OUR ALTAR TO BE OFFERED UP AGAIN AS THE VICTIM FOR THE SINS OF MAN."

"the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man - not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ the Eternal and Omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priests command."
John O'Brien

The Faith of Millions

revised ed. (Huntington, IN: Our Sunday Visitor, Inc., 1974) 25556.
---
---john9346 on 11/27/17


Brendan and Cluny,

Gentlemen,

Eastern Orthodox state that the Eucharist is a "Propitiatory Sacrifice."

Cluny, the source you cited continues to state this:

"according to Orthodox theology, the Eucharist is a propitiatory sacrifice (in Greek, thysia hilastirios), offered on behalf of both the living and the dead." (Ware, Timothy (1993-04-29). The Orthodox Church (Kindle Locations 4451-4452). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition. p. 286)
---john9346 on 11/27/17


Mr. Brendan,

Is john9346 correct when he said your religion cant guarantee that I am save and I will still go to a place call purgatory whatever that is?
---cowboys#1_Fan on 11/27/17


\\2. The RCC and EO spit in the face of the Lord Jesus Christ by teaching and believing that the Eucharist is a "Propitiatory Sacrifice." see, Jn 19:30.\\

This is not what the Orthodox teach.

This is also not the teaching of the Catholic Church, so I don't know where you got the idea.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/26/17


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john9346:

You wrote: I'd like to invite you to please read 2 Cor 13:5?

As I said, I have been doing that for 41 years. By directing me to this scripture, are you calling me a reprobate? If so, could you please be specific as to why?
---StrongAxe on 11/26/17


No. I can give no solid good reason to join either. But then I am a Protestant and a Member of the Seventh day Adventist church.

AGape
---Samuelbb7 on 11/26/17


strongaxe states, "John9346:
On "Finish It Here November 2017", you wrote me 3 times, closing off the blog, a Christianity 101 message. I appreciate your concern, but I have been a Christian since 1976, so I have known all of that for 41 years."

Sir, in love with gentleness and with respect, I'd like to invite you to please read 2 Cor 13:5?

I'll leve you with these words

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

I'm praying that God bring you to repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ who is found in "Holy Scripture,

In Christ's Love,

John
---john9346 on 11/26/17


\\2. The RCC and EO spit in the face of the Lord Jesus Christ by teaching and believing that the Eucharist is a "Propitiatory Sacrifice." see, Jn 19:30.\\

This is not what the Orthodox teach.

Try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/26/17


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john, this is what the Orthodox Church actually believes about the Eucharistic Sacrifice. if truth matters to you.

**The Church teaches that the sacrifice is not a mere figure or symbol but a true sacrifice. It is not the bread that is sacrificed, but the very Body of Christ. And, the Lamb of God was sacrificed only once, for all time. The sacrifice at the Eucharist consists, not in the real and bloody immolation of the Lamb, but in the transformation of the bread into the sacrificed Lamb.

All the events of Christ's sacrifice, the Incarnation, the Last Supper, the Crucifixion, the Resurrection, and the Ascension are not repeated in the Eucharist, but they are made present.**

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/26/17


john9346:

On "Finish It Here November 2017", you wrote me 3 times, closing off the blog, a Christianity 101 message. I appreciate your concern, but I have been a Christian since 1976, so I have known all of that for 41 years.
---StrongAxe on 11/26/17


//Why should I convert to Eastern Orthodoxy or Roman Catholicism?//
Denominations mean nothing
Without Christ giving his body to die for our sins and raising his body from the dead, we could not be saved.
This salvation is not offered to us through a chosen denomination, nation, an anointed priest, or a special covenant.
According to the mystery of Christ, this salvation is possible because we are made a member of his body. (Eph 3:6)
Every one who is saved today is a member of the body of Christ, which is now called the church.
---michael_e on 11/26/17


Nicole:

1. Paul inspired of the Holy Spirit stated in context of 2 Thes 2 what were the traditions please read it... he tells you...

2. The RCC and EO spit in the face of the Lord Jesus Christ by teaching and believing that the Eucharist is a "Propitiatory Sacrifice." see, Jn 19:30.

3. You quote James 2:14-26, but answer this question why is faith without works is dead James tells you why, its James whole point for writing in context?

4. Nicole, do you know according to RCC Theology if you commit a Mortal Sin you go to hell? Do you know how many times you go to mass and take the sacraments you still must go to purgatory, your still not pure for heaven??
---john9346 on 11/25/17


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cluny:

Before I respond tell me?

1. What is your understanding of the Doctrine of Sola Scriptura?

2. What is your definition of the Doctrine of Solus Christus?

I'm curious because I dialog with you prior on "Sola Scriptura." and you didn't know the definition.
---john9346 on 11/25/17


cowboys#1_Fan:

Sola means alone Gratia is grace and fide means faith in latin.

These were the fundamentals of the reformation. You see, there needed to be a reformation the reformation recovered and restored "Biblical Christianity." to the world. Things were so corupt my friend.

Thank God for men like Wycliff, Huss, Luther, Calvin, etc.
---john9346 on 11/25/17


Mr. Brendan,

If I am not a Eastern Catholic will I go to hell?

What about the other like Baptists, Presbyterians, and Lutherans are they going to Hell?

Is john9346 correct when he said your religion cant guarantee that I am save and I will still go to a place call purgatory whatever that is?
---cowboys#1_Fan on 11/25/17


Cowboy's #1 said, "Brendan, what is Eastern Catholicism never heard of it can you tell me about it?"

Besides the Roman Catholic Church, there are regional/ethnic groups that share ALL of the beloved graces received from our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ. Our worship is a traditional blend of Bible verses, woven together to make a beautiful Liturgy. We are in communion with the Pope, but not under him. In other words, our bishops serve the people first, and basically pray for the Pope, but we do not SERVE him.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/25/17


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John: Both these religions deny Sola Scriptura,//

The Bible states the Opposite. 2 Thessalonians 2:15
Hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

//3. Both religions spit in the face of Christ on the work he completed on the cross.//

Wrong. Ask him when his Church was started? Centuries AFTER Jesus rose and by a man.

//4. Both of these religions reject Justification by Faith Alone, its justification and faith plus something else.//

As James 2:14-26 ...So also faith apart from works is DEAD.

//5. None of these religion can ever guarantee that you are save from the Wrath of Almighty God//

Baptism saves you, but you can reject God at any time. Free will.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/25/17


//Why does the priesthood matter?//

Because that is why God decided to establish His Church.

Remember first all 12 Tribes were Priests until 11 them sinned in worshipping the golden calf.

Only the Levities didn't worship the golden calf and were made the Priests of the Israel.

Not any Jew can claim he was a Priest.

Or a Jew didn't dare to say the Priesthood wasn't needed either just because he wasn't a priest.

Only those born into the Levy family were Priests.

So with the Church. New Covenant New Priesthood established at the Last Supper and in John 6.

No one can come centuries later and claim to be a priest based on his or her own will or wishes.

Jesus' Church and Jesus' Rules.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/25/17


\\2. Both these religions deny Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia, Solus Christus, Sola Fide, and Soli Deo Gloria .\\

The Bible denies sola scriptura, too

Be precise, and tell me just how Orthodoxy denies Sola Christus.

Bet you can't!

Glory to CJesus hrist!
---Cluny on 11/25/17


You shouldn't. Stick with Christianity instead.
---ObamasBoy on 11/25/17


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Monk: Either Orthodoxy or Eastern Catholicism would be a best bet.

The reason is that, even though there has been massive oppression and hatred aimed at those Churches, they have stood the test of time. 2000 years.//

Well, I don't know about that?

All Orthodox Churches allows Divorces which goes against Matthew 19.

Only the Catholic Church follows Jesus in Matthew 19 and refuses to bend to culture pressure.


StrongAxe: How can you say that this applies to the Orthodox Church, but not the Catholic Church?

Thanks, Cluny and other Orthodox for some reason want to pretend we were 2 separate Churches.

We were ONE until 1054
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/25/17


cowboys#1_Fan ask, "Why should I convert to Eastern Orthodoxy or Roman Catholicism?"

Sir, the truth is you shouldn't see Valid Reasons:

1. Both these religions are not, "Christian."

2. Both these religions deny Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia, Solus Christus, Sola Fide, and Soli Deo Gloria .

3. Both religions spit in the face of Christ on the work he completed on the cross.

4. Both of these religions reject Justification by Faith Alone, its justification and faith plus something else.

5. None of these religion can ever guarantee that you are save from the Wrath of Almighty God and no matter what you do you still might not make it, hell or purgatory.
---john9346 on 11/25/17


questions:

Brendan and Nicole,

Why does the priesthood matter?

Brendan, what is Eastern Catholicism never heard of it can you tell me about it?

John9346,

What is mean by (sola and solus) and what is gratia and fide mean?
---cowboys#1_Fan on 11/25/17


Either Orthodoxy or Eastern Catholicism would be a best bet.

The reason is that, even though there has been massive oppression and hatred aimed at those Churches, they have stood the test of time. 2000 years. How many other Christian Churches can make that claim?
---Monk_Brendan on 11/24/17


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Cluny:

You wrote: Only the Orthodox Church is pre-denominational.

How can you say that this applies to the Orthodox Church, but not the Catholic Church?
---StrongAxe on 11/24/17


They are the only Ones with the Valid Priesthood and the 7 Sacraments.

Only Ones that can trace Herself to Her Bride Groom Jesus Christ
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/24/17


Cluny said, "Only the Orthodox Church is pre-denominational.

Otherwise \, theere is no such thing as a non-denominational church, though it may have only one congregation--or one member."


That's not quit correct. The Catholic Church (of different flavors--23 of them) all stem from that same heritage, they all can draw their roots back to that first day of Pentecost.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/24/17


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