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Nicole_Lacey and Haz27:

This blog is devoted to CAKES. I will stop any discussion on my part about the abortion issue here, because it greatly off topic. I will gladly resume it on a blog where abortion is the actual topic.

I'm not deflecting. I'm attempting to get this derailed train back on the tracks.
---StrongAxe on 12/12/17


StrongAxe: The problem is Republican politicians do everything they can to force babies to be born, then force OTHERS to care for them - by making abortion (and even birth control!)//

When has a Republican forced you to have relations with the intention of having babies?

I being on the Republicans rosters since 1992 and they NEVER asked me to have relations with any man! NOT ONCE.

You are making stuff up.

Just because they tell you it is WRONG to KILL your baby after conception isn't forcing you to do anything but the RIGHT thing. Keeping the 5th (6th) Commandment.

BTW, you won't know this because you are a man, but birth control pills are passed around like candy and you can get it for free.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/12/17


AXE. Yet again you deflect. But I'll explain again in the hope you'll stop your charade.

Your earlier post discussed abortion. You asked me to explain what's your guilt. So why bother telling me to keep on the cake topic when you yourself speak on abortion? Another example of your deflection.

And again, I know you claim to oppose abortion, BUT, you always defend the Left about their abortion platform. You even dehumanize the unborn in doing so. The issue Nicole and I were discussing is how you and Nurse always try to deflect debate away from the Left's guilt in this.

Even re wedding cakes, you always defend the oppressive totalitarian Left's persecution of Christians who refuse to submit to the Left's LGBT PC dictates.
---Haz27 on 12/12/17


Haz27:

Instead of actually DEFENDING your previous incorrect accusation as I asked you to, YOU deflected by ignoring it and making yet another accusation. EVERYTHING in your last post was accusations, and NONE of it actually substantiated those accusations.

You keep talking about "my leftism from guilt over abortion", yet I keep talling you I oppose abortion. Where is my guilt? I keep asking you to ACTUALLY DEFEND your unfounded accusations, but you continue to refuse to do so.

THIS topic is about cakes, NOT abortions. Stay focused instead of deflecting every topic into off-topic screeds on your other pet windmills.
---StrongAxe on 12/12/17


AXE. You, like NURSE, always deflect, obfuscate to defend YOUR Leftism from guilt over abortion, LGBT Fascism, PC thought/speech policing, etc. Whatever the stance of your corrupt Leftist masters, you come to their defense, dehumanizing the unborn, justifying the persecution of Christian bakers, etc.

The TOTALITARIAN Left's oppressive PC tyranny has been growing increasingly worse over past years, BUT, you remain conveniently silent, except to express some delusional fear the West might fall back into the theocracy of Europe's past RC history....LOL.

Our abortion topic has been about the Left's guilt in this, but you and Nurse try anything to deflect attention from this rightful condemnation of YOUR side of politics.

---Haz27 on 12/12/17




Haz27:

Please explain EXACTLY how I "cover" for "Leftist masters" behind "easier abortions".

In the U.S., the Supreme Court decided Roe vs. Wade. Overturning it would require a constitutional amendment - proposed by 2/3 of House and Senate, and ratified by 3/4 of the states. Republicans (even with Christians behind them) don't have such a super-majority. Why haven't Christians passed a constitutional amendment banning divorce, as it's something Jesus talked about? Because there aren't enough Christians here to turn the U.S. into a theocracy like Europe in the Dark Ages.

Constitutional amendments are hard to pass. Changing the constitution should never be done lightly, as Prohibition proved.
---StrongAxe on 12/11/17


Haz27 said, "Please step out of that Leftist bubble, and stop supporting the Left with its racism, hate, genocide, sexism, deviancy and lies, etc. Christians should not support such evil."

Oh-Oh, Samuel, you should better watch out, Haz is lying to you, and trying to tell a BIG LEFTIST LIE by calling YOU a leftist. She only screams about leftists so that no one will discover that she is the biggest leftist of all.

After all, she's farther left that the KKK, or the Nazis and Hitler!
---Monk_Brendan on 12/11/17


Nicole_Lacey:

I'm not talking about individual Republicans, who make decisions for themselves. I'm talking about Republican politicians that make policies on behalf of all of us that affect all of us. Just look at the current budget that is being rammed through right now - one that Senators were being forced to vote on without even being given a chance to read it (and when asked for time to do so, were flatly refused).

You made Judge and Decider?

Nobody, but Jesus said "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". If Haz27 wants others to answer that question, he/she needs to be willing to answer the question himself/herself FIRST.
---StrongAxe on 12/11/17


NICOLE. Lefties NURSE & AXE will do anything to justify their decision to be Leftists.
The Left are always underhanded when pushing their politics, hence NURSE always deflects, obfuscates to avoid dealing with the Left's baby slaughter platform.

Note how NURSE deflects by repeatedly trying to redirect debate towards what an individual has done, whilst he and AXE cover for their Leftist masters behind easier abortions.

The topic remains that it's the Left who are responsible for high rates of abortion.
Any effective solutions against abortion would include a united Christian vote that would damage the genocidal Left.

NURSE and AXE don't want a united Christian vote against their baby slaughtering Left.
---Haz27 on 12/11/17


StrongAxe: Republicans follow pro-life Christian principles only during the first three trimsters..//

LIE!

Republican out SPEND Democrats in Indiscriminate CHARITABLE giving 4 to 1.

If Democrats donates anything it's only to lefties causes

Democrats ONLY knows how to donate with OTHER people's monies and by force.

//So now he CAN answer the question.

As soon as Haz27, as the first one tho asked it, answers it first.//

You made Judge and Decider?

You just said a person should answer if a person answered their question first.

Jerry and I answered NurseRobert's question, he can do the same.

He isn't better than us and neither or you.

You both are being hypocrites.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/11/17




Nicole_Lacey:

The problem is Republican politicians do everything they can to force babies to be born, then force OTHERS to care for them - by making abortion (and even birth control!) difficult, but also cutting off social safety nets like health care and nutritional assistance to those same children once they are born.

A few states have even gone so far as to pass laws requiring miscarriages to have funerals - solely to punish women who have abortions, but that's only implied - the actual wording primarily penalizes women who have NATURAL miscarriages - i.e. after the pain of losing a child, the government then slaps an additional financial burden on you.
---StrongAxe on 12/11/17


BTW saying you already answered me ISN'T an answer.-Nicole_Lacey on 12/11/17

ON THIS BLOG
Nicole_Lacey 12/9/17:I asked you earlier, but you didn't answer.
NurseRobert 12/10/17: My Answer.
Nicole_Lacey 12/10/17: So now he CAN answer the question. I did, before you posted this.
NurseRobert 12/10/17: Tell me, where did you asked me the same question??
Nicole_Lacy 12/11/17: I couldn't find my 1st question, oh really? Maybe you "forgot" to ask it?
Haz27 12/10/17 You'll find that NURSE will never answer your question ... blah blah blah Haz is the master of deflection. He has been given multiple opportunities to answer this question but he REFUSES do to so .
---NurseRobert on 12/11/17


Samuelbb7:

I have been saying this for years. Republicans follow pro-life Christian principles only during the first three trimsters (i.e. every fetus is sacred), but after it's born, they follow Darwinian principles (i.e. it's sink or swim - if you can't afford to live on your own, you deserve to starve to death, because being poor is a result of your own poor life choices.)


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: So now he CAN answer the question.

As soon as Haz27, as the first one tho asked it, answers it first.
---StrongAxe on 12/10/17


SAMUEL. Your comming across as quite the racist with your obsession for the racist Lefts deceitful PC talking points.

Please step out of that Leftist bubble, and stop supporting the Left with its racism, hate, genocide, sexism, deviancy and lies, etc. Christians should not support such evil.

We all know no political leader, not even Trump, can offer perfect government, but the corrupt Left/DEMs are obviously far worse than Trump.

NICOLE. Youll find that NURSE will never answer your question without trying to deflect attention away from the Lefts culpability in the genocide of babies.
NURSEs priority is to always deflect attention away from the evils of his side of politics, especially on issues like baby slaughter.
---Haz27 on 12/10/17


NurseRobert, do you think voting is a ONE TIME ACT?

That answers for both of your questions.

If you answered me then WHY are you asking me when did I ask you?

I couldn't find my 1st question. After you asked it of Haz, Jerry and I on 'Hitler's post,' than moved to 'Christian's baker', and etc. but I still DON'T know your answer.

WHERE and WHEN did you ANSWER me?

Please either answer, or repost it.

BTW saying you already answered me ISN'T an answer.

Jerry and I at least answered you. Can you do the same?

Make StrongAxe proud

Samuel, it sounds as if you are UPSET that by Republicans allowing babies to be born it forces you to care them?

Is that the gist I am getting from you?
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/11/17


The Republican leaders cut CHIP. It was insurance for Children that also helps pregnant mothers.

So it seems that they want to stop Abortion to get votes. But steal from children and mothers to get money.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/10/17


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Trump says one thing then at another time he changes and says the opposite. So he is lying so much. I am not sure what he teaches.

But this he has done. Tried to kick them out of the Armed Services. I support our Veterans. I don't try to put them down or demean and put down Gold Star families. My Father and Father in law fought in WWII. My brother fought in Desert Storm.

>My mother made me promise to not enlist. I signed up for the draft but was not called up during the Vietnam War. They never drafted me.

Trump said he would release his taxes. He lied. He said he wouldn't cut Medicare he lie. He said he wouldn't cut Social Security he lied.

So do so many old White people want this racist and liar to be in charge?
---Samuelbb7 on 12/10/17


---Nicole_Lacey on 12/10/17

Tell me, where did you asked me the same question?? Please post the blog and date, because I surely missed it...

And I did answer your question, though it is NOT the question I asked you. I ask you what WOULD you do, not what you ARE doing. You really need to tone down the vitriolic rantings and please READ what was asked of you.
---NurseRobert on 12/10/17


NURSE. Yet again you resort to deflection, obfuscation to avoid confronting the baby slaughter from YOUR side of politics.

I saw through your question weeks ago that you were trying to deflect debate.

We here on the Right speak in terms of effective solutions to end abortion, but you instead try to deflect attention away from the genocidal Lefts guilt, by pointing elsewhere.

Your emotional attachment to the Left has grossly distorted your priorities and love, as a supposed Christian.
---Haz27 on 12/10/17


StrongAxe: The reason NurseRoberts asks Haz27 to answer that question is because Haz27 first asked that question repeatedly. Haz27 can't reasonably expect others to answer the question without first answering the question himself/herself.//

YEAH, I KNOW, that's why I am calling him out!

I asked him the SAME question and he refuses to answer the question BUT keeps badgering Haz to answer the SAME question he won't answer.

//He is doing the same thing Jesus did when the Pharisees asked him by what authority he did his healing - he would only answer if they answered first//

No he ISN'T.

Because he asked the SAME question of me and I gave him a DIRECT answer.

So now he CAN answer the question.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/10/17


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---Nicole_Lacey on 12/9/17
By teaching people how to decrease the need for abortion. Proper education, proper birth control, fighting with politicians about easing adoption rules. Trying to changes peoples heart about abortions. Do you really think making abortions illegal will stop abortions? Your're being a fool.

Haz27 on 12/10/17, You and Lacey cant even read the question, much less answer it. The question is what WOULD YOU DO, not what are you doing?

---StrongAxe on 12/10/17, Haz won't answer the questions becuase 1) he doens't know the answer, and 2) he would have to tone down his hateful rheortic.
---NurseRobert on 12/10/17


SAMUEL. The Right don't treat LGBT badly as you falsely allege. Considering Trumps position on LGBT, you should rescind your claim.

Your support for baby killing Left is what gives them confidence to push even further for it.

And considering how the Left hates Christianity, that too indicates how much control they have over you.

AXE. You and NURSE are Leftists, which explains your dishonest defense of his constant deflection and obfuscation in avoiding answering my questions.

I have answered his questions multiple times, whilst you're just being being underhanded in defending his underhanded replies.

BTW, considering how often you avoid answering my questions, it's amusing to see your post.
---Haz27 on 12/10/17


Nicole_Lacey:

The reason NurseRoberts asks Haz27 to answer that question is because Haz27 first asked that question repeatedly. Haz27 can't reasonably expect others to answer the question without first answering the question himself/herself.

He is doing the same thing Jesus did when the Pharisees asked him by what authority he did his healing - he would only answer if they answered first (because if they wouldn't answer his question, they had no reason to expect him to answer theirs).
---StrongAxe on 12/10/17


AXE. If you get out of the Leftist echo chamber then you'll see the many witnesses revealing their experiences with the Fascist thought policing/censorship from the Leftist dominated Goulag and Facebook, etc.

"Computing Forever" on YouTube is one of the many sources that speak out against Goulag's and Fascistbook's censorship, etc.

MONK. Your anger has blinded you. You now even claim that my criticisms of the Left who have deceived you, are somehow criticisms against you.
I suggest you settle down, and perhaps even avoid these debates if you're that easily angered and confused.
---Haz27 on 12/10/17


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NICOLE. Regarding abortion, NURSE is not interested in any real efforts to end it as it would damage his Leftist political team.
NURSE prefers instead to deflect attention from the Left's guilt by pointing elsewhere.

The most effective solutions include Christians presenting a united vote against abortion, which the Leftist DEMs would have to change it's abortion position on if it wants to remain relevant in politics.

Sadly, the Christian vote is divided, with Leftist Christians voting for the baby murdering Left.
---Haz27 on 12/10/17


StrongAxe: not registered by governments, not regulated by churches.//

MY POINT EXACTLY!!!

You are the one claiming they do not have to consummate the marriage NOT me.

As if a piece a paper issued by the Government suffices the marriage covenant.

People have been getting married centuries BEFORE the CC.

Virginity has it purposes you know?

//Today, in the U.S., ALL marriages MUST be registered by the government...It doesn't matter if they conform to ANY religion's prerequisites.//

Again you are missing the point. FORGET RELIGION!

Even today in our Government.

No consummation is grounds NOT for a divorce but an ANNULMENT.

A HUGE DIFFERENCE!
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/10/17


Haz it is the right who want to discripinate against LGBT. Place them in jail. Don't let them see their loved ones when they are dying treating them like people used to treat Black people.

So they die in Jail. Is that okay? It denying rights to anyone okay/

Right now Christians all over the world are being persecuted. Because the rulers and Men who convince them to follow him. They so hatred to get their way.

Roy Moore missed the good ole days before slavery was abolished. Is that who you wish to support.

If we don't stand up for the rights of others When a false church takes over they will use these laws to get rid of Christians they don't like.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/10/17


Hello NurseRoberts?

What have you done to STOP abortion?

Or do you not care if the baby killing stops or not?

I asked you earlier, but you didn't answer.

Instead you keep asking Haz to answer you but refuse to answer the SAME question asked of you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/9/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

This is IRRELEVANT. 2000 years ago, ALL marriages were common law - determined by agreements by parties, not registered by governments, not regulated by churches.

Today, in the U.S., ALL marriages MUST be registered by the government. The ONLY criterion is if they file proper forms and say proper words. It doesn't matter if they conform to ANY religion's prerequisites.

For the secnod time: google: cathars genocide. At the bottom of the article are plentiful footnotes to where the information came from.


Haz27:

Don't SAY Goulag=Google and claim many witnesses. ACTUALLY SHOW some witnesses. I couldn't find any. If you don't like Google, use other search engines. You'll get the same results.
---StrongAxe on 12/9/17


Haz27 said, "MONK. You have been deceived by the Christian hating Left..."

Okay, Haz, get your head out of your posterior long enough to smell the reality. You have accused me of being a heretic. You have accused me of sowing hatred. You have even accused me of being a leftist liberal commie baby-killer. Now you accuse me of being an islamofacist.

YOU are the one that is the islam freak. We know this because your too strident posts at me have pushed me to release this secret. You are a member of Islam yourself, and so far to the Left that Karl Marx appears to be moderate, compared to you. We know you are Leftist, because, after being confronted by members here, you have never even denied it! SHAME!!!
---Monk_Brendan on 12/9/17


StrongAxe, consummation has been the marriage rule BEFORE Jesus started the Catholic Church. Even before the Jewish faith.

Or do you think people got Marriage Licenses at their local town hall offices in Babylon 2000 BC?

You also forgotten your history.

Remember the whole King Henry VIII and Queen Catherine Marriage?

Both swore she was a virgin when they got married. Queen Catherine always sworn she NEVER consummated her marriage with Henry older brother Prince Arthur.

Years later when King Henry tried to divorce Catherine he told the Pope Catherine wasn't a virgin, but the Pope reminded him that wasn't what he wrote years earlier.

Flat LIE about Pope Innocent III

Cite that quote?
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/9/17


AXE. Google = Goulag, as many have witnessed.
Many have experienced Goulag's censorship, if you bothered to step out of the Leftist echo chamber to see.
Google search results that formerly would reflect the popularity of a site, now only reflect Goulags Leftist preferences.

I started seeing this even some years ago when searching for web sites for historian Keith Windshuttle, who had exposed the lies of the Left's Stolen Generation propaganda.
I could not find his web site through Google. But Google search did offer many Leftist web sites spewing hateful lies & ridicule (much like your reference about Shoebat). After digging further I did eventually find the web site of that historian, no thanks to Leftist Goulag.

---Haz27 on 12/9/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

Legal marriage has nothing to do with Catholic law or traditions. The RCC can deny marriage to anyone it wants (e.g. non-Catholics, divorcees). Consummation is not required for marriage in any U.S. state.

Even if those massacres HAD NOT happened, Shoebat is evil to ADMIRE them.

Google: waldensians, cathars.

Innocent III used the Cathar Crusade to eliminate Catharism. In 1209, Crusaders besieged Bziers, and slaughtered the entire town and burned it to the ground. Amalric is reported to have said (of Catholics and Cathars) "Kill them all! God will know his own."


Haz27:

Goulag? REALLY? That was a government agency under Lenin, NOT a search engine! PROVE it's related to Google!
---StrongAxe on 12/8/17


StrongAxe, if the elderly couple didn't consummate their marriage they are still NOT married.

They are living as brothers and sisters

//He admires the medieval Catholic church's genocide of Cathars, Waldenseians and other heretics.//

Impossible because it NEVER HAPPENED!

At least NOT BY the Catholic Church!
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/8/17


AXE. I see how you are so deceived. You actually relied on a random, Leftist Google search. I learnt years ago to dig deeper then that to find the truth as Google (also known as Goulag) is renowned for its Leftist search parameters.

And of course you completely ignore the fact your Leftist comrades call for the EXECUTION of climate change deniers, whites, Trump, etc. And we all know about the Lefts genocide of babies.
Hypocrisy and decieit = Leftism.

MONK. You have been deceived by the Christian hating Left, and their Islamofascist mates. Im just trying to wake you up with facts.
Jesus did warn that these evil times would eventuate (Matt 24:22).
---Haz27 on 12/8/17


Haz, do you expect me to act like this: "A "Christian militant" who believes in executing LGBT, Christians who don't believe in killing LGBT, Muslims, Hillary, Trump (once waved a rainbow flag at a rally), abortionists, woman who have abortions, Chick-fil-A employees (they softened their anti-LGBT stance), etc.

He admires the medieval Catholic church's genocide of Cathars, Waldenseians and other heretics. He wants India invaded and Hindus forced to convert to Christianity.


I myself find repelled by the hate spewed by this Rightist idealog. If his lack of logic held, would you be happy if Muslims won, and they decided to kill all of the Christians in the world?
---Monk_Brendan on 12/8/17


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Monk_Brendan:

Google: "Theodore Shoebat"

A "Christian militant" who believes in executing LGBT, Christians who don't believe in killing LGBT, Muslims, Hillary, Trump (once waved a rainbow flag at a rally), abortionists, woman who have abortions, Chick-fil-A employees (they softened their anti-LGBT stance), etc.

He admires the medieval Catholic church's genocide of Cathars, Waldenseians and other heretics. He wants India invaded and Hindus forced to convert to Christianity. He believes women should be banned from voting and holding office.

He makes Westboro Baptist Church seem moderate.

His father Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist who converted to Christianity, is moderate in comparison.
---StrongAxe on 12/7/17


MONK. I gave the reference to Shoebat. Either you missed it or else your lying.

I don't know what video you watched. The cake message I saw was a variant of what the LGBT and PC Fascist Irish authorities FORCED Christian bakers in Ireland to bake.

The video I saw from a Leftist media outlet showed the Left and LGBT activists pushing their trademark hate against Christianity.

Why do you support the LGBT Left's Fascism, hate and persecution?
---Haz27 on 12/7/17


Haz27 said, "You claim you only heard of the Christian baker in Colorado.
But I already posted several times about 13 LGBT bakers who refused to bake a cake for Shoebat."


First of all, you did not give me a reference for "shoebat" I had not heard of this, and having listened to it, I can say that the man in the you tube presentation was not acting fairly at all, his first call was to a cookie factory, and not a bakery, and that he badgered the respondents. This is wrong. Mr. Shoebat's calls were biased, weighted to cause offense. If I had been as conservative a Christian Baker, I would have been forced to deny baking him a cake.
---Monk_Brendan on 12/7/17


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---RichardC on 12/4/17


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I said JESUS didn't say anything. Genesis was in the Old Testament.
---StrongAxe on 12/4/17

Jesus did say something. You keep missing it.

Matt 19:3 "Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all"

Any reason could include LGBT.

What was Jesus response? "What God has joined, let no man separate".

Jesus created them male and female. And He said "for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother".

What is the reason in "for this reason"?

For intercourse reasons. Get it?
---Mark_Eaton on 12/4/17


Mark_Eaton:

I said JESUS didn't say anything. Genesis was in the Old Testament.

Jesus didn't say anything about the internet or cars or electricity anywhere. Does that make those wrong too?


Nicole_Lacey:

In the wedding at Cana, I see no mention of cake.

Not all couples consummate (especially elderly ones). And yes, I know what it means.

Not all wedding cakes have the word "wedding" on them.
---StrongAxe on 12/4/17


I only heard about the baker in Colorado refusing to do a wedding cake for an LGBT couple.
---Monk_Brendan on 12/4/17

Is your argument that the baker is being hypocritical?

This baker has refused to make cakes for Halloween, hate speech, and anti-American themes.

This country is so odd. The two groups fighting over this reverse their positions in the NFL discussion. The liberals want the baker forced but the NFL players free, and the conservatives want the baker free and the NFL players forced.

Can we have liberty for all?
---Mark_Eaton on 12/4/17


MONK. It's clear that you only hear what you want to hear.

You claim you only heard of the Christian baker in Colorado.
But I already posted several times about 13 LGBT bakers who refused to bake a cake for Shoebat.
Shoebats cake message was a variant of the message Christian bakers in Ireland were FORCED by LGBT and PC Fascist Irish authorities to make, under threat of "legal" penalties.

LGBT activist Masha Gessen admitted that the whole LGBT marriage push was a LIE, aimed at the eventual destruction of marriage and family.
And she agreed with the aim of this Marxist LGBT lie of LGBT marriage because they view traditional marriage and family as OBSOLETE.
---Haz27 on 12/4/17


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Mark Eaton said, "There are many ways to separate men and women, divorce, adultery, LGBT, and many I cannot get thru the filters. All of them are banned via OT scripture. Why are they banned? Because they separate men and women."

But Mark, I don't see the Christian Bakers refusing to do wedding cakes for divorce and remarriage, or any of the other things that we can't get through the filters. I only heard about the baker in Colorado refusing to do a wedding cake for an LGBT couple.

And who IS he that he has the right to judge, when Jesus told us "JUDGE NOT."
---Monk_Brendan on 12/4/17


You are arguing from absence. The absence of a thing is not the same as the forbiddance of a thing.
---StrongAxe on 12/1/17

Sorry, but that is not correct. I am arguing from the affirmative viewpoint.

God affirmatively created a helper for Adam, a female. God affirmatively joins the man and woman in marriage. God affirmatively says "What God joins, do not let man separate".

Does this make LGBT illegal? No. Does it make it wrong? Yes.

There are many ways to separate men and women, divorce, adultery, LGBT, and many I cannot get thru the filters. All of them are banned via OT scripture. Why are they banned? Because they separate men and women.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/4/17


//ME: There is a difference between a wedding cake and a picnic cake in God's eyes.

StrongAxe: Really?..scripture//

John 2:1-11

God was at a wedding not a picnic.

They didn't have a party for a couple having a gathering, but for a UNION later on in private.

//I don't see how eating a cake will determine whether you consummate or not. I have never heard the excuse, "Not tonight, dear. I didn't have cake."//

I never heard of a couple consummating a marriage every night either?

Do you know what the word 'consummation' means?

Not everyone has cake for dessert at their wedding.

But if the word 'wedding' is PLACED on the bakery item (ticket) it is meant for marriage NOT a picnic.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/17


Nicole_Lacey:

There is a difference between a wedding cake and a picnic cake in God's eyes.

Really? Is that in the scripture, or in Catholic doctrine. I would love to see a reference to prove this.

Because the act that OCCURS afterwards can determine whether you are going to hell or Heaven.

I don't see how eating a cake will determine whether you consummate or not. I have never heard the excuse, "Not tonight, dear. I didn't have cake."

But even if what you say is true, wouldn't consummation ALSO send you to hell in the case of divorcee remarriage or non-married living together, yet bakers DON'T refuse to bake cakes for THOSE. Again, inconsistency.
---StrongAxe on 12/3/17


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StrongAxe: A wedding cake carries no official sanction that blesses a marriage. I could serve one at a picnic. WHY the client wants the cake is irrelevant, as the cake is solely for eating, and not part of the ceremony,//

There is a difference between a wedding cake and a picnic cake in God's eyes.

Cakes and food are given to CELEBRATE the occasion because MORE is going on than just having CAKE AT A PICNIC!

Because the act that OCCURS afterwards can determine whether you are going to hell or Heaven. Legally binding or not.

The CONSUMMATION ACT.

All other sexual union were better known as the marriage bed actions in polite public conversations until the Left took over the conversation.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/3/17


MINK. Settle down and read my post calmly. I was not referring to you as a heretic.
Instead I was referring to heresy teaching being pushed within Christian circles being the most prominent warning in the Bible.

If you believe on Jesus, then you've got nothing to worry about.

But if you mix grace with works of the law, that will not work (Rom 11:6) and is a very common warning in the Bible.
---Haz27 on 12/1/17


Haz27 said, "MONK. You're deflecting from the Left's evil atrocities. Why? You claim not to be Leftist, but your posts here suggest otherwise...If you consider the message throughout the Bible you'll see that heresy doctrine within the church is one of the leading areas of concern."

Are you calling me a heretic? Let's go there, and see. First of all, to which heresy am I adhering? What is the name of that heresy? Please explain how that heresy applies to me.

BTW, "Left," is NOT a heresy. Nor is exhorting you to stop this LEFTIST freakout!
---Monk_Brendan on 12/1/17


Mark_Eaton:

You are arguing from absence. The absence of a thing is not the same as the forbiddance of a thing.

The Bible never said we are allowed to use cars, or electricity, or the internet. Does that mean they are forbidden?

Gen. 1:27. LGBT people can be both male and female.

The first marriage was a couple, yet Abraham and Jacob and David all had multiple wives without any complaint from God (proving "if it isn't mentioned, it's wrong" is incorrect).


ObamasBoy:

I did NOT use "illegal polygamist marriages" as an excuse for feminists to not cater a bigamist FLDS wedding. I did say feminist bakers in Muslim countries would have bigger problems.
---StrongAxe on 12/1/17


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StrongAxe, I didn't realize you asked me a question. What was it?
---ObamasBoy on 12/1/17


ObamasBoy:

You didn't answer my question.
---StrongAxe on 11/30/17


MONK. You're deflecting from the Left's evil atrocities. Why? You claim not to be Leftist, but your posts here suggest otherwise.

FYI, Satan deceives the whole world (Rev 12:9), and is active not only in secular affairs (especially through the Christian hating Left in the West), but even in churches, etc.

Each Christian is fighting the good fight of faith (1Tim 6:12), to keep the commandment to believe on Jesus. Satan's attacks in this fight can come through any means, even within family, church, health, etc circumstances.

If you consider the message throughout the Bible you'll see that heresy doctrine within the church is one of the leading areas of concern.
---Haz27 on 12/1/17


If Christians can refuse to bake an LGBT couple a cake because of "seriously held religious beliefs", a white supremacist couple who believe race mixing is sin can refuse to bake a cake for a black+white couple because of THEIR "sincerely held religious beliefs". Do you think THAT is right?
---StrongAxe on 11/29/17


StrongAxe, do you think the same mixed black+white couple should be able to refuse to bake a cake for a white supremacist event with white power slogans on it?
---ObamasBoy on 11/30/17


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Haz27 said, "Hence you oppose the rights of Christian bakers, etc, to deny their services to LGBT weddings.
Hence you dehumanize unborn babies when the evil of the Lefts abortion platform is discussed. Hence you trust and push the lies of the Left."


Haz, I know that you're fixated on the Left. You see everything as a threat against YOUR walk with Christ. Are you so weak of faith? Do you not know that Jesus is looking over your shoulder? You don't have to live in paranoia, you can step into the light of the Lord, and be free of this torturing fear!

Try LOVE, and not fear!
---Monk_Brendan on 11/30/17


Haz27:

THIS blog is about cakes.


ObamasBoy:

For most of these, yes. A service open to the public CANNOT choose clients based on WHO they are, only services performed, legality, or safety.

A Christian minister can refuse to OFFICIATE a Wiccan wedding, because he knows Christian rituals but not Wiccan ones. A Christian musician can refuse to perform Wiccan music, but NOT Christian music (if the Wiccans ask for it). A Christian baker CAN refuse to use Wiccan ingredients (e.g. eye of newt) in his cakes, but NOT ones he normally uses. A Jewish wedding planner would have suppliers for Stars of Davids but not swastikas. See the difference?
---StrongAxe on 11/30/17


StrongAxe, I notice you have avoided actually answering the question. In keeping with your "if you accept A you must also accept B" rule, if a Christian bakers is forced to bake or cater an illegal LGBT wedding that goes against their beliefs, should a feminist, or any person who believes polygamy is wrong, be forced to cater a polygamist wedding? Should a black caterer be forced to cater a KKK party? Should a Christian wedding singer be forced to sing satanic songs at a Wiccan wedding? Should a Jewish wedding planner be forced to plan a Nazi themed wedding? I'm eagerly awaiting your non-hypocritical answer to these questions.
---ObamasBoy on 11/30/17


AXE. You disregarded Left's atrocities like genocidal abortion platform, Marxist LGBT deviancy indoctrination of children, etc, describing these evils as "less vomitous" than what conservatives offer. Embarrassed yet?

Your comments opposing the rights of Christians against Marxist LGBT deviancy and demands suggests you endorse the totalitarian Left's aims for more government, specifically against Christians and conservatives. Seems you are just as much a part of the modern Left's oppressive PC tyranny as NAZI's were under Hitler PC tyranny.

SAMUELbb7. You support the Left with it's child molestation, rapes, genocidal abortion, racism, LGBT deviancy indoctrination of children. That is not love.



---Haz27 on 11/30/17


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Haz27:

The left and right both have their problems. However, I've found that in the current political climate, overall, whatever the left is peddling is less vomitous than what the right is.

If Christians can refuse to bake an LGBT couple a cake because of "seriously held religious beliefs", a white supremacist couple who believe race mixing is sin can refuse to bake a cake for a black+white couple because of THEIR "sincerely held religious beliefs". Do you think THAT is right? If so, I feel sorry for you, but I think you would feel right at home in many places in the American south.
---StrongAxe on 11/29/17


So Haz does opposing the left make it okay to support Nazi's and the KKK?

To oppose the left we should support child molesters and men who use their power to abuse women?

Are we not supposed to oppose all evil? How does the evil the left does. Make the evil of the right okay?

How does supporting racism show that we love all people for whom Jesus died?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 11/30/17


AXE. We all know that your values tend to conform to whatever the Left says.

Hence you oppose the rights of Christian bakers, etc, to deny their services to LGBT weddings.
Hence you dehumanize unborn babies when the evil of the Lefts abortion platform is discussed.
Hence you trust and push the lies of the Left.

Your former Leftist comrade, the Russian KGB defector Yuri Bezmanov, was so correct that the Lefts brainwashing controls people like you.
---Haz27 on 11/29/17


ObamasBoy:

A wedding cake carries no official sanction that blesses a marriage. I could serve one at a picnic. WHY the client wants the cake is irrelevant, as the cake is solely for eating, and not part of the ceremony, spiritually nor legally. The ONLY thing that connects it with the wedding is that it's usually bought on behalf of two people who coincidentally have had a wedding some time previously, but that is by no means a requirement.

If two old people decide to re-solemnize their vows, they can have a wedding, but it's not a legal wedding since they're already married. Would bakers refuse them a cake because it's not a legal wedding? Not likely.
---StrongAxe on 11/29/17


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StrongAxe, same gender marriages we're illegal both by state and federal law when the Christian bakers were sued and put out of business for refusing to bake for the LGBT wedding. The ironic part is, the bakers were fined by the state government for discrimination when the state and federal government itself prevented LGBT marriages.
---ObamasBoy on 11/29/17


Obamasboy said, "Monk Brendan, funny how it was a big deal when the Christian bakers declined to bake the LGBT wedding cake. Big enough deal for you to creat a thread out of it in and argue that they should be forced to do that."

You are incorrect. I stated, and still hold, that a Christian baker, who is open to the public should be willing to bake a cake for people who believe different things. I don't believe the LGBT couple should have pressed the point and gone to court. But I believe that the Baker was in the wrong. If he is not willing to bake for anyone other than Christians, he is quickly going to be out of business, anyway.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/29/17


ObamasBoy:

Since bigamy is illegal in the United States, and most other countries except some Muslim ones, your question must necessarily be totally hypothetical. If a feminist baker was baking cakes in Muslim countries, she would have much bigger problems to deal with (including whether she would be allowed to run a business by herself in the first place).
---StrongAxe on 11/28/17


It's good to find fault with other people. It makes us seem better than they are. Good for the ego.--Loony1

Of course it is, Loony. Just see how Jesus' ego was boosted (as you suggest with your assertion) after he told those Pharisees they were of their father the devil (John 8:44).

And those foolish Galatians (Gal 3:1) sure must have given Paul's ego a lift when he faulted them, didn't they.

Hopefully you're not being PC, calling for "Safe Spaces" to insulate people from inconvenient facts that expose the Left's evils like abortion, and their Marxist LGBTQI deviancy indoctrination of children, etc.



---Haz27 on 11/29/17


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It's good to find fault with other people. It makes us seem better than they are. Good for the ego.
---Loony1 on 11/28/17


Monk Brendan, funny how it was a big deal when the Christian bakers declined to bake the LGBT wedding cake. Big enough deal for you to creat a thread out of it in and argue that they should be forced to do that. Now, when the roles are reversed, you somehow seem to change your tune and suggest that the customer should just say "Oh well, their loss" and move on. Did the LGBT couple do that? That's certainly not what you advocating before. That Christian bakery was sued and put out of business for refusal to participate in something they didn't think was right. Your hypocrisy is a shame on your name.
---ObamasBoy on 11/28/17


Frankly, if I was going to order a cake (which I'm not, of course), I would find a baker with a good reputation, then allow him/her to help me design the cake, make flavor suggestions, and then let him/her bake it and deliver it.

I would not go into a shop saying, "Krishna Cakes" or something that obviously satanic or something like that.

But I would call ahead and make an appointment, and if they didn't want to serve me, it's their loss, not mine. I personally think that this whole "Baking a Cake" thing is a mountain out of a molehill.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/28/17


How many bigamist FLDS Mormon marriages have you been invited to in the last year?
---Monk_Brendan on 11/27/17


Exactly the same amount of LGBT weddings I've been invited to in the last year.

Just going with the lefts anti-discrimination rules and the "if you accept A you must also accept B" rule, should Christian wedding singers be forced to sing at Wiccan weddings and sing songs praising Satan? Should Satanists, Muslims, Buddhist, Hindus, and Pastafarians be able to sue gospel music singers for discrimination against their religions? Should a black caterer be forced to cater a KKK party? Should a Jewish wedding planner be forced to plan a Nazi themed wedding?
---ObamasBoy on 11/28/17


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I reckon feminist bakers should be forced by the authorities to bake such a cake with the message on the cake saying "Bigamist FLDS Mormon marriages are Good".

If they refuse they should be threatened with imprisonment, or at least made to pay a $135,000 fine, and their business forced to be shut down.

But, in this Orwellian Big Brother totalitarian Leftist PC tyranny we live under, "some animals are more equal than others", hence (whilst I don't condone bigamy) such persecution and penalties typically only apply to Christians.
---Haz27 on 11/27/17


How many bigamist FLDS Mormon marriages have you been invited to in the last year?

LOL

If she is in business open to the pubic, she should understand that there are times when there will be requests in which you don't personally believe.

That is why I felt the Christian baker should have kept his mouth shut and made the cake.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/27/17


An FLDS wedding cake would be made within their community, not bought from a retail bakery.
---Loony1 on 11/27/17


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