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Nicole, you need to read again.

Hebrews 12:22-24

For YE ARE ( PRESENT TENSE) come to Mt Zion, and unto the city of the living God, THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM and to an innumerable company of angels, to,the general assembly AND CHURCH OF THE FIRST BORN, who are written in Heaven. AND GOD, THE JUDGE OF ALL, and to the SPIRITS OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT, And to Jesus, the mediator of the New Covenant and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that od Abel.

As we speak Nicole, these OT spirits of JUST men are now MADE PERFECT. Their perfection came when Jesus rose from the dead.

This place is HEAVEN where God the Father and Jesus Christ are this moment as we speak.
---kathr4453 on 12/10/17


Kathr: Hebrews 12 say TODAY all OT Saints were made perfect and are THE SPIRITS OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT RIGHT NOW IN HEAVEN WITH GOD.//

I think you need to read Hebrews 12 again because it doesn't state ANYTHING CLOSE to what you are claiming it states.

I should HOPE the Saints from the OT are in Heaven RIGHT NOW and not still in Purgatory.

Purgatory ISN'T a permanent State you know.

Besides, how do you know which Ones went to Purgatory first instead of Heaven?

You are NOT God and you DON'T know the state of their souls.

You don't know anything about Purgatory, but commenting about it as if you are a SME (subject matter expert)
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/10/17


\\Maccabees was never, "Inspired." "Scripture."\\

Who says?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/9/17

Good question...
---NurseRobert on 12/10/17


AXE. Considering Jesus spoke in parables so the physical man would not understand (Matt 13:13), why would you then conclude that a physical message is the primary overriding message?

Considering 1Cor 2:14 confirms what Jesus said in Matt 13:13, telling us scripture is spiritually discerned, and that natural man will not understand it, why then reject these clear directions from God?

God is Spiritual and so are Christians. Paul spoke to Christians as spiritual, unless they were babes in Christ unable to take solid spiritual food (1Cor 3:1).

I suggest you move on from false doctrines and/or milk. Start instead to feed on God's spiritual message (solid food) to His spiritual people, the Christians.



---Haz27 on 12/10/17


..I have said, the souls in purgatory ARE NOT under God's wrath. Rather, they ARE saved. What you keep missing is the fact that God will not allow any imperfection into heaven (Rev 21:27). With that in mind, we know that those souls are not in heaven, yet. Nor are they in hell or asleep under the ground. Until they are purified, (1Cor 3:12-15) where are they?
---Monk_Brendan on 12/9/17

Those IN CHRIST TODAY are perfect. We have been PERFECTED ONCE AND FOR ALL THROUGH the BODY of Christ. And those IN CHRIST who have passed are said to be ASLEEP IN THE LORD. and also Hebrews 12 say TODAY all OT Saints were made perfect and are THE SPIRITS OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT RIGHT NOW IN HEAVEN WITH GOD.
---kathr4453 on 12/10/17




NICE TRY John: "The Jews do not have this Scripture which is called Maccabees....." Augustine of Hippo--john9346

That so called quote is from 'The authority of Scriptures' by William Webster

TRY AGAIN

//Tell me, have you taken the time to read 1 Maccabees 4:46, 9:27, and 14:41?//

I did and answered you. I said "so?" meaning so what? You are not making any sense.

Now answer my question.

Do you believe the Jewish people are WRONG in celebrating Hanukah or Not?

It comes from Maccabees.

//The Jews themselves ma'am do not view Maccabees as "Scripture."//

I don't which Jewish people you know, but the Jewish people I know HAVE both Maccabees.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/10/17


Good points Strong ax
---Samuelbb7 on 12/10/17


\\Maccabees was never, "Inspired." "Scripture."\\

Who says?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/9/17


Maccabees is not inspired scripture, any more than other lost or excluded books claiming Jesus married Mary Mag and had children is true. Just because someone wrote something Nicole doesn't make it INSPIRED BY GOD. Truths come in 2's and 3's, and I'm sure even that rule was followed as to what was legitimate and not. NO SCRIPTURE outside Macabbees even remotely suggests a place like Purgetory . As a matter of fact there is MORE legitimate scripture to prove there is no such place...and THAT along with other scripture is one criteria as to what is legitimate INSPIRD BY GOD, not man. And again Nicole Macabbees says NOTHING about Hannakuah. Nor is Hannakuah an official HOLY DAY.....it's one of TRADITION, just like Thanksgiving.
---kathr4453 on 12/9/17


Nicole_Lacey:

And you aren't God to claim that you did.

Plus, stating they ARE inspired doesn't mean they ARE inspired.

Protestants and Catholic disagree. Neither is automatically right.

Not inspired doesn't mean not true (else toss out most books in the library) - just not guaranteed 100% true. Celebrating an event (that may or may not have happened) is totally different from basing a fundamental theological belief on something (that may or may not be true).


Haz27:

I don't deny that scripture must be spiritually discerned, but one can take "spiritually" too far.Some "spiritually" teach Jesus was just a spirit. John calls them antichrist for denying Jesus came in the flesh.
---StrongAxe on 12/9/17




Haz27 said, "You reject God's claim that scripture is SPIRITUALLY discerned (1Cor 2:14, Matt 13:13)."

Haz, in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Latin and English, "Hungry" has always meant "not having been fed." To make it spiritual, then you have to add an adjective using the word or meaning "spiritually."

Or is this just Islamofacist Lefty Commie Baby Killer rhetoric on your side to try to bring down Christianity?
---Monk_Brendan on 12/9/17


John 9346 said, "Sir, first, those that done right in God's Eyes are with him... they're not suffering for their sins which would mean they're under the Wrath of Almighty God..."

At least you've stopped claiming that they are asleep in the ground.

As I have said, the souls in purgatory ARE NOT under God's wrath. Rather, they ARE saved. What you keep missing is the fact that God will not allow any imperfection into heaven (Rev 21:27). With that in mind, we know that those souls are not in heaven, yet. Nor are they in hell or asleep under the ground. Until they are purified, (1Cor 3:12-15) where are they?
---Monk_Brendan on 12/9/17


Nicole states, "Not inspired? You are NOT God to claim you didn't inspire those authors."

Intrestingly enough the author of Maccabees never stated, "Thus Saith the Lord."

Nicole, there are no claims of "Divine Authority." in Maccabees.

Tell me, have you taken the time to read 1 Maccabees 4:46, 9:27, and 14:41?

The Jews themselves ma'am do not view Maccabees as "Scripture."

There is Historical Errors in Maccabees so if God wrote Maccabees he surely didn't know his history (hit and miss)...

Nicole, ma'am, be honest are you going to build your foundation on a book that has truth and error and then you try to attribute it to God??
---john9346 on 12/9/17


"The Jews do not have this Scripture which is called Maccabees, as they do the law and the prophets, to which the Lord bears testimony as to his witnesses." Augustine of Hippo
---john9346 on 12/9/17


John: Maccabees was never, "Inspired." "Scripture."
I know you want it to be, but i'm sorry it isn't the authors knew their purpose...//

Not inspired? You are NOT God to claim you didn't inspire those authors.

Plus, stating they are NOT inspired doesn't mean they are NOT inspired.

You need to be SPECIFIC, Sir.

//Nicole, Please read 1 Maccabees 4:46, and 14:42.---john9346 on 12/8/17

So? You are not making any sense.

Come out with it?

Are you claiming the Jewish people are WRONG with their Hanukkah cerebration?

Please answer yes or no.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/9/17


AXE. Your false gospel that salvation is based on some ambiguous level of good deeds to physically needy, even if you deny Jesus is Christ who died for sin, clearly contradicts scripture.

You reject God's claim that scripture is SPIRITUALLY discerned (1Cor 2:14, Matt 13:13).

Matt 10:42 Cup of cold water = good news (gospel). See Prov 25:25.

Matt 5:6 to hunger/thirst for righteousness is to seek Christ wherein our righteousness lies. And JC is our SPIRITUAL food/drink (1Cor 10:3,4).

Matt 7:22 clearly does not refer to spiritual works when these people Jesus rejected disobeyed the will of God (BELIEVING ON JESUS. See John 6:40, 1Thess 4:3) that Jesus referred to in Matt 7:21.

You totally miss the message of JC.
---Haz27 on 12/9/17


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Brendan states, "Have I said otherwise? Rather, I have repeatedly stated that the souls in Purgatory HAVE done right in God's eyes, but the wood, hay and stubble have to be burned up!"

Sir, first, those that done right in God's Eyes are with him... they're not suffering for their sins which would mean they're under the Wrath of Almighty God...

Monk Brendan, Christians are no longer Children of Wrath see, Eph 2:1-5. Also, 2 Cor 5:8-9

1 Cor 3:9-15 is not addressing purgatory if it was then the Holy Spirit is contradicting himself by what he wrote in 2 Cor 5:8-9.
---john9346 on 12/8/17


Haz, it's obvious to anyone with discernment that you are strictly a leftist liberal.

Quit trying to fool us with your railing against it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/17


Nicole states, "Remember the same Maccabees speaks about Hanukkah which ALSO ISN'T IN YOUR BIBLE."

Ma'am, as have been prooven over and over again to you, Cluny, and Brendan.

Maccabees was never, "Inspired." "Scripture."

I know you want it to be, but i'm sorry it isn't the authors knew their purpose...

Nicole, Please read 1 Maccabees 4:46, and 14:42.
---john9346 on 12/8/17


CLUNY. I encourage you to progress from being a babe on milk. Step out of Orthodoxy and get on to solid food. Jesus is the only teacher (Matt 23:8, 1John 2:27), trust in him, instead of mans so called churches.
---Haz27 on 12/8/17


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Haz27:

Jesus talked about feeding the actually hungry and clothing the naked, not the spiritually hungry and naked (and Matthew 10:42 and 9:41 refer to actual water, not spiritual water)

By "spiritualizing" these verses, people avoid Jesus's clear instuctions and say, "at least we gave them the gospel". This is exactly what the Pharisees did by exempting "korban" monies from "honor your father and mother" - their interpretations rendered God's law void.

When Jesus wanted to spiritualize something, he said so (e.g. Matthew 5:6).

Matthew 7:22 refers to those who would come to Jesus boasting of many spiritual works, yet totally missing the message.
---StrongAxe on 12/8/17


\\To help SPIRITUALLY needy (the LOST) is to preach gospel to them.
---Haz27 on 12/7/17\\

OK, Haz.

Since you are obviously spiritually poor, hungry, thirsty, naked, homeless, and imprisoned, wouldn't you like to accept Jesus Christ into your heart as your personal Lord and Savior (like the Bible doesn't say), so you can be housed, clothed, free, warmed, and fed?

Why don't you do it right now in the privacy of your home, so you can get saved all by yourself?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/17


John: Next, you never cited any sources for me to read only stated I was confused I can cite sources and let you think on it... The sources that your own Religion Authorities both contradict and correct you.---john9346

Please recite those sources because I am SURE I gave you Scriptures and answers.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/8/17


SAMUEL. Why do you always ignore the baby murder platform of DEMs, the rape, etc from DEMs, the NAZI roots of DEMs, and their racism, hate lies and persecution?

Nazism has always been Left, and there was no Big Switch of Dixiecrats. You have been deceived by your Leftist masters.

The now insignificant groups like KKK and neo NAZIs (all from YOUR side of politics), also support nationalism, just as Ghandi, Mandela, Stalin, Churchill, etc did. Why do you imply these examples I listed above are NAZI and KKK?

The reason why Leftists like you make issue about insignificant groups like KKK and NAZIs (that have more in common with Mandela, Obama, etc than with Trump) is because the Lefts Fake News media etc, have deceived you.
---Haz27 on 12/8/17


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Haz27said, "MONK. It's disappointing you support AXE that salvation is available to those who deny Jesus is the Christ who died for our sin.
You seem to reject the commands of Jesus (John 3:16, 1John 3:23)."


Haz, when have I ever said that I was denying or rejecting Jesus' atoning death and resurrection? I am aware each and every day of how much He has done for me.

When I was yet in the puddle of my sins, and I ran through a plate glass window, a piece of glass could have ripped through my heart, killing me (as happened to a woman who fell through the same window a week later.) Instead, I ended up with a gash in my side, 8 stitches, and laid up in bed for a few days.
---Monk_Brendan on 12/8/17


MONK. It's disappointing you support AXE that salvation is available to those who deny Jesus is the Christ who died for our sin.
You seem to reject the commands of Jesus (John 3:16, 1John 3:23).

As for Matt 25, scripture is SPIRITUALLY discerned (1Cor 2:14). Jesus said as much when explaining why he spoke in parables (Matt 13:13).

Who are naked?
The LOST, being SPIRITUALLY naked, lacking garments of salvation (Isa 61:10).
Who are hungry, thirsty?
The LOST, lacking Christ our SPIRITUAL food/drink (1Cor 10:3,4).
Who are strangers?
The LOST, being SPIRITUAL strangers from covenants of promise (Eph 2:12,19).

To help SPIRITUALLY needy (the LOST) is to preach gospel to them.
---Haz27 on 12/7/17


John : one must remember purgatory didn't become teaching by the RCC until about the 12th or 13th century...---john9346//

That is a FLAT OUT LIE!

John back up your comments with sources.

Plus the word Purgatory isn't in the Bible, but the knowledge of the State is in the Bible. 2nd Maccabees chapter 12. Read it.

That happened before Jesus was born.

I can't help it if your Leaders REMOVED those Jewish Scriptures from your Bible.

Remember the same Maccabees speaks about Hanukkah which ALSO ISN'T IN YOUR BIBLE.

That's your problem NOT mine.

You need to mediate on getting a COMPLETE CANNON BIBLE.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/8/17


John9346 said, "Scripture doesn't no where teach that sinners after death go to purgatory or have other chances to get things right with God Almighty."

Have I said otherwise? Rather, I have repeatedly stated that the souls in Purgatory HAVE done right in God's eyes, but the wood, hay and stubble have to be burned up! LISTEN TO ME! The souls in Purgatory ARE already saved! They have gone through the judgment, and they are suffering (GLADLY) the pain of being refined.

Have you ever refined gold or silver? Well, it requires both fire AND acid. If gold were alive, do you think it would enjoy being ground into tiny parts, heated, plunged into acid, and then melted again?
---Monk_Brendan on 12/7/17


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Brendan states, "Wrong, John. In going to the Greek and Strong's, I found that Judgment ONLY means the sentence itself, and NOT a time limit."

Sir, First, tell us in Heb 9:27 what is the Greek Word?

Next,I challenge you to establish this according to the context... Before responding read the next verse vs 28
---john9346 on 12/7/17


Haz27 said, " AXE. Are you eventually going to justify your doctrine that salvation is dependent on good deeds, regardless of whether a person denies that Jesus is the Christ who died for our sin?"

He might not defend it, but I will. READ Matthew 25:31-46.

Then tell me that Jesus is ONLY essential for getting into heaven. The people in the parable fed the hungry, clothed the naked, etc. The ones NOT able to get in did not DO the things that Jesus told them to do. Where is FAITH?
---Monk_Brendan on 12/7/17


Brendan said, "If God wants to continue the perfecting of our spirits after we die, that is HIS right to do so, not Calvin's."

Yes, God is sovereign to do as he pleases,however, he tells you and I that he doesn't continue to sanctify saints and save sinners after their death. See, Lk 13:1-5, and 16:19-31, and 1 Cor 5:8-9...

Monk Brendan, you do know this stance you are aspousing was condemned by the "Church?"

BTW, the Doctrine of Election and Predestination has been the teacing of the church for 2000 years my friend... As a monk you should know better.
---john9346 on 12/7/17


Mark_eaton states, "The idea that Gehenna is the permanent repository for "lost" people is incorrect."

Sir, if your basing this premise on Rev 22:15 you have 3 issues:

1. The people outside of the gate are the (sinners.)

2. These individuals are still under the Judgment of Almighty God whether in Hell or the Lake of Fire.

3. Also note, Revelation is very symbolic... and building a doctrine off symbols is not, "Wise." in seeking the truth.
---john9346 on 12/7/17


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Mark_eaton said, "First, stop assuming I believe in purgatory. I do not."

Thank you for the clarification, but you do know the topic I was discussing when you responded to me right??

Scripture doesn't no where teach that sinners after death go to purgatory or have other chances to get things right with God Almighty.

See, Lk 13:1-5, 16:19-31...
You see Mark we must let all of "Scripture."speak not, Some."... As a Reform Christian we refer to this as Tota Scriptura.
---john9346 on 12/7/17


John 9346 said, "In Heb 9:27 the word, "Judgment." means a time/destination."

Wrong, John. In going to the Greek and Strong's, I found that Judgment ONLY means the sentence itself, and NOT a time limit.

If God wants to continue the perfecting of our spirits after we die, that is HIS right to do so, not Calvin's.
---Monk_Brendan on 12/7/17


Also, one must remember purgatory didn't become teaching by the RCC...To be clear the ideal that sinners have a second chance after death is abhorrent to, "Holy Scripture."...
---john9346 on 12/6/17

First, stop assuming I believe in purgatory. I do not.

Second, Scripture supports any and all viewpoints. The idea that Gehenna is the permanent repository for "lost" people is incorrect. Gehenna is destroyed by the end of The Revelation, as seen in this verse:

Rev 22:15 " But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie"

Who are these people outside the gates, after Death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire?
---Mark_Eaton on 12/7/17


mark_eaton states, "Heb 9:27 - Judgment biblically is the setting right of things. This has no time limit. God can continue to set things right even after our death."

In Heb 9:27 the word, "Judgment." means a time/destination.

Lest there be any doubt the Holy Spirit continues by comparing in vs 28 the epic of the timing of the Lord Jesus Christ with Man's Final Destination.

The ideal that God corrects us after death is abhorrent to, "HolyScripture."

Also, one must remember purgatory didn't become teaching by the RCC until about the 12th or 13th century...
---john9346 on 12/6/17


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To be clear the ideal that sinners have a second chance after death is abhorrent to, "Holy Scripture."...



2 Cor 5:

8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
---john9346 on 12/6/17


The only thing anyone really CAN do to stop abortion is vote for pro-life law makers.
---ObamasBoy on 12/6/17

I disagree.

As I have stated before, I have sat quietly in front of one of our local PP mills with my sign (Abortion Stops a Beating Heart) many times.

I have no clue if I have changed anyone's mind, but I have received my share of death-stares and harassment from owners, operators, customers, pro-choice protesters, and even police.

But I will continue to do it as my part to stop abortion.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/6/17


One of my friends recently adopted a baby due to infertility issues. It costs them over $30,000 in adoption and legal fees. THIS is the problem with adoption.

Most older children I'm foster care went in as older children, not infants. So they are irrelevant to an abortion discussion.
---ObamasBoy on 12/6/17


I was interested to learn that abortion did not become illegal in most states in the U.S. until after the Civil War.
---Loony1 on 12/6/17


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AXE. Are you eventually going to justify your doctrine that salvation is dependent on good deeds, regardless of whether a person denies that Jesus is the Christ who died for our sin?
---Haz27 on 12/6/17


What would you do to stop abortions?
---NurseRobert on 12/6/17


The only thing anyone really CAN do to stop abortion is vote for pro-life law makers. So you do that? If not, then you are part of the problem.
---ObamasBoy on 12/6/17


Male Democrats are dropping like flies due to sexual abuse allegations. Which is great, honestly, since Democrats are the ones who started this whole "destroy your political oponents with sexual accusations" business. And Democrat feminists are the ones making any woman who has ever been flirted with in any way, shape, or form into a victim and any man who has ever flirted or told a joke into an abuser. Now they are reeping what they have sewn. It's as if they fired a gun, but accidentally pointed the barrel back at themselves. They're own tactics are now being used against them. It's times like these that we are reminded God is just.
---ObamasBoy on 12/6/17


Yes, there are many verses to start Heb 9:27, 2 Cor 5:8, Jn 19:30.
---john9346 on 12/5/17

Heb 9:27 - Judgment biblically is the setting right of things. This has no time limit. God can continue to set things right even after our death.

2 Cor 5:8 - see below

John 19:30 - I guess you are questioning everyone going to purgatory. I do too.

But what if only those who do not have a relationship with Jesus are outside the gates in Gehenna? What if God uses "purgatory" as a way to continue to bring those into right relationship, into right judgment?
---Mark_Eaton on 12/6/17


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--Haz27 on 12/5/17

The only one not answering questions is you.

What would you do to stop abortions?
---NurseRobert on 12/6/17


Hi Jimbo, I agree with you 100%. But what about those children who are being kidnapped from villages in Africa and being sold for up to $30,000 each here. I wish I could post the video of a woman Confessing she made almost $1million doing this.
---Rob on 12/5/17


Rob, great point about the Foster Care system. My guess is it's not so easy to adopt those kids because frequently the parents will not allow that to happen. The parents are just incapable people, but still have rights to their children who stay in foster care. It takes a lot of time and money to adopt kids because there are so few due to the abortions.

Maybe the foster care laws should be changed to increase the adoption rates.
---Jimbo on 12/5/17


Are there really 100,000 babies waiting to be adopted?

--Jimbo on 12/5/17

These are not all babies, Jimbo. The last stat I saw was 300,000 in foster care, 100,000 are children awaiting adoption. A lot of them are older children.

Hence the issue with adoption.. a lot of people want the perfect newborn.
---NurseRobert on 12/5/17


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I watched a documentary about children being kidnapped from Africa, then sold in the U.S. I would have adopted a child years ago, but couldn't afford the adoption fees Also, I thought child trafficking was ILLEGAL
---Rob on 12/5/17


mark_eaton ask, "Do you have any proof (BCV) that this is not true?"

Yes, there are many verses to start Heb 9:27, 2 Cor 5:8, Jn 19:30.

Phil 1:6 is addressing Believer's Maturity not under going purification in purgatory.
---john9346 on 12/5/17


NURSE. As usual you avoid answering questions, offering only your trademark deflection and obfuscation to maintain your Leftist delusion.

In the past several years we've debated you haven't changed. You still oppose reality because facts upset your choice to be a Leftist.

---Haz27 on 12/5/17


Are there really 100,000 babies waiting to be adopted?

I have friends adopting babies from Africa because they can't locate any babies here in the USA. The wait list even from Africa is long.
---Jimbo on 12/5/17


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---Jimbo on 12/5/17

It is a start, Jimbo, but what are we doing the the 100,000 children waiting to be adopted already? Now before Haz, et. al jumps in, that is no excuse for an abortion.

The answers I got so far:

Lacey - Voted for Trump.

Jerry - Eliminate the scourge of radical socialism (Democrats) from our nation. He doesn't say how, maybe line us up and shoot us?

Haz... crickets....

---NurseRobert on 12/5/17


The following is a spit in the face of the Lord Jesus Christ's Atoning Work:
---john9346 on 12/5/17

Do you have any proof (BCV) that this is not true?

Seems to me this verse says as much:

Phil 1:6 "being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ"

Most people do not read the last five words of this verse. If they do, they do not read the words close enough to understand what they imply.

God will continue to work on us until the Day Jesus returns, even if we are dead!
---Mark_Eaton on 12/5/17


The following is a spit in the face of the Lord Jesus Christ's Atoning Work:

"All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation, but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven." CCC 1030
---john9346 on 12/5/17


"In the Orthodox doctrine, on the other hand, which St. Mark teaches, the faithful who have died with small sins unconfessed, or who have not brought forth fruits of repentance for sins they have confessed, are cleansed of these sins either in the trial of death itself with its fear, or after death, when they are confined (but not permanently) in hell, by the prayers and Liturgies of the Church and good deeds performed for them by the faithful." Fr Seraphim Rose
The Orthodox Response to the Latin Doctrine of Purgatory(Orthodox Christian Information Center)
---john9346 on 12/5/17


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Nicole states, "
I am sorry, John but Monk isn't even Catholic. So how can he speak for the Catholic Church. I gave you Catholic sources."

First, Monk Brendan has stated repeatedly that he is a Melkite Catholic Monk.

Also, I think he can speak for himself an defending his claims which he couldn't do...

Next, you never cited any sources for me to read only stated I was confused I can cite sources and let you think on it... The sources that your own Religion Authorities both contradict and correct you.
---john9346 on 12/5/17


Rob it's called adoption not abortion.
---Jimbo on 12/5/17


---Haz27 on 12/4/17

Ah Haz.. same old drival..


What would YOU do to stop abortion?
---NurseRobert on 12/5/17


NURSE. Of course more deflection and obfuscation from you, just to protect YOUR side of politics from it's guilt in genocide.

The DEMs are the leading political group that pushes for easier abortions.

Instead of you always deflecting by pointing to the few exceptions that are irrelevant to the actual mainstream source driving easier abortions, I suggest you reject your political masters, and instead follow Jesus and his command to love others (John 13:34), and love does no harm (like voting for and defending DEMs with their abortion platform) to another.
---Haz27 on 12/4/17


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\\I thought you kept saying you were Eastern Orthodox as if separate from the Catholic Church.\\

Nicole, you are obviously confusing me with Monk Brendan. **I** am the one who is Orthodox.

And the proper expression is "Melkite CHURCH", not Rite.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/17


Some Democrat Men PAID for the abortions

Republican women have had abortions paid for by republican men. Two fine examples of republican hypocrisy: Representative Tim Murphy, staunch anti-abortion cheated on his wife and then asked his girlfriend to have an abortion after she told him she was pregnant. Rep. Scott DesJarlais supported his fiances decision to get two abortions before their marriage.

The Democrat Party is the ONLY party that is protecting abortion TODAY!

Wrong again. The libertarian party is Pro Choice, The Green party is Pro Choice. Of course you conveniently forget the group, Republicans for Choice

NO such thing.

look up "Democrats for life"
---NurseRobert on 12/4/17


AXE. Of course you totally avoided the point the Leftist dominated media, etc, completely ignored the fact 13 LGBT bakers refused to bake a cake with a message variant of the same that Christian bakers in Ireland were FORCED to bake under threat from LGBT and PC Fascist Irish authorities.

I don't know the context of Shoebat alleged threat to LGBT, but if what you say is true, that pales in comparison to your totalitarian Lefty forefathers Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc, and the baby murdering Left of today.
Even the calls by your fellow Leftists that climate change deniers should be executed is conveniently ignored by you.

I suggest you stop avoiding facts and actually face up to reality.
---Haz27 on 12/4/17


Nicole Lacey said, "No thanks, I don't need to look that up I KNEW they are under the Catholic Church...

Most people in the Melkite Rite state they are Catholic (BECAUSE THEY ARE CATHOLIC UNDER POPE FRANCIS) and next explain which Rite they are under instead of saying Orthodox."


AGAIN, I am sorry you misunderstood me. I am a Melkite Catholic monk. I know Bp. Nicholas, and he knows me. I go to St. John of the Desert Meklite Catholic Church, and I am admitted to the Mysteries. All of Catholics, be it Roman, Melkite, etc are UNDER Pope Francis. But because Melkite have a Patriarch, we don't HAVE TO slavishly obey him, or take his party line.
---Monk_Brendan on 12/4/17


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Haz27:

Yes, Shoebat TESTED the bakers. He did not HONESTLY ask for a cake to be baked, as the wedding participants did. He went there dishonestly, DELIBERATELY asking them to bake a cake, FULLY EXPECTING that they wouldn't, SOLELY so he could point an accusing finger.

He also believes LGBT people should be EXECUTED - hardly a Christian attitude. In the ONE case in the New Testament where Jesus was asked to officiate at in a capital execution (for adultery), he REFUSED to do so.

In almost EVERY SINGLE MESSAGE, you mock the fact that I'm on the left, rather than ACTUALLY dealing with my arguments.
---StrongAxe on 12/4/17


Monk: I invite you to do a google search and look up "Melkite."//

No thanks, I don't need to look that up I KNEW they are under the Catholic Church.

I thought you kept saying you were Eastern Orthodox as if separate from the Catholic Church.

Most people in the Melkite Rite state they are Catholic (BECAUSE THEY ARE CATHOLIC UNDER POPE FRANCIS) and next explain which Rite they are under instead of saying Orthodox.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/17


Nicole Lacey said, "I am sorry, John but Monk isn't even Catholic. So how can he speak for the Catholic Church. I gave you Catholic sources."

Nicole, I'm sorry you feel that way. I invite you to come to the Hermitage and view my Baptism Certificate, and I invite you to do a google search and look up "Melkite."

In the meantime, the Melkite Church is indeed in full, visible, Eucharistic Communion with the Roman Catholic
Church. If you don't believe me, or you refuse to believe me, then that is YOUR problem, and not mine.
---Monk_Brendan on 12/4/17


AXE. You can stop your mental gymnastics trying to justify the Left.

Shoebat tested out LGBT bakers requesting a similar (but opposite) message to what Christian baker's in Ireland were FORCED to make for LGBT under legal threat from PC fascist Irish authorities.

This test from Shoebat proved how the deceitful Left's SELECTIVE OUTRAGE is really all about their primary goal of persecuting Christians, as the LGBT bakers were not criticized by the Leftist dominated mainstream media.

It really comes down to you, as a Lefty, always attempting to justify why the Christian hating Left should maintain it's oppressive PC tyranny, persecuting Christians and conservatives for not submitting to the Left's totalitarian aims.

---Haz27 on 12/4/17


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HAZ, let's get one thing clear here. I don't have the POWER to make decisions for others. I said I DO NOT JUDGE those who have chosen for health, rape or incest. And my judgement means nothing nor has the power to force on another. As long as there are places in this WORLD, even if the USA makes it illegal, women will either go back to butcher shops or somewhere in Europe, South America , or where ever they can.

Only God can judge Haz27. And yes, Christians should get involved to HELP those in distress....I mean HELP, not become the SS.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/17


You can't be a Christian and pro-choice.
---ObamasBoy on 12/4/17


Kathr: You can't mandate morality, but you can safety. Before its legalization women STILL got abortions, illegally, and horribly dangerous. And I believe THAT is why it was legalized.//

???

That is the craziest thing I have ever heard.

People are raping people, so by your logic, let's make it legal as well.

Let's give the men a clean private room.

We wouldn't want the men to get HIV or any STD's.

It would be too horribly dangerous for the men and illegal.

WHO CARES if it was horrible dangerous for a woman to kill her baby?

SHE WAS TRYING TO KILL SOMEONE!

Guess what Kathr? It is MORE than horribly dangerous for the babies TODAY it is HORRIBLY DEADLY
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/17


StrongAxe: Do the math. Even if EVERY D woman had an abortion, NO D men did.//

Men paying for the abortion are JUST AS GUITLY of having the abortion. One man can pay for 20 abortions a year. He can be VERY ACTIVE!

My statement of "how do you do that?" was in regards to your ABSOLUTE statement.

You DON'T REALLY know you are just assuming that about Democrats. Only God knows.

//Ted Kennedy pro-choice, and he's a Catholic.---StrongAxe

So what? Just because he is Catholic means he has a license to kill? How stupid is that? NOT EVEN THE POPE CAN BE PRO-CHOICE!

No such think as pro-choice Catholics!

WHY?

Because Jesus is PRO-LIFE!

BTW, there are a lot of Catholics in Hell.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/17


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KATHR said: "No political party forces anyone to get an abortion"

True. BUT...to use a principle from scripture, leading others into evil (willfully blind leading the willfully blind) results in BOTH falling into a ditch.

The deceitful, heartless DEMs enthusiastically sold the idea that exterminating unborn babies is perfectly ok.

Kathr, would you really consider yourself innocent after having convinced others that murdering their unborn baby is perfectly ok?
---Haz27 on 12/4/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Do the math. Even if EVERY D woman had an abortion, NO D men did. Population is 50%/50% men/women, it could be at MOST half.

There were 653K abortions in 2014, below 1/500 people (1/250 women). Since R+D are split around 50%/50%, even if ALL abortions were by D and NONE were R, that would be only 1/125. CDC statistics were for women between 15-44 (30 years), which means on average, less than 1 in 8 women EVER have an abortion (max. 1/4 D). So, even if ALL abortons were D, that would STILL mean more than 75% of D women (and 87% of D total) have never had one.

Just like NO such thing as Pro-choice Catholics.

On Finish It Here Dec. 2016, YOU complained Ted Kennedy pro-choice, and he's a Catholic.
---StrongAxe on 12/3/17


AXE. We really have to wonder about you.
JERRY rightly described the Left as being like a religion. I'd describe it as a cult.

You describe yourself as Left. This is in fact far Left considering how the political spectrum has shifted so far Left over recent decades.

You defend the genocidal Left over it's baby murder platform by dehumanizing the unborn, etc.

You defend the Christian hating Left on their attack against traditional marriage. You even justify the LGBT Left's persecution of Christians bakers, etc.

And if these positions you take aren't bad enough, you even follow a doctrine that says salvation is determined by good deeds, regardless of whether one denies that Jesus is the Christ who died for our sin.
---Haz27 on 12/3/17


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