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Is Senator Warren A Native

Why is everyone upset with President Donald Trump for calling Senator Elizabeth Warren 'Pocahontas', but NOT mad at Warren for lying saying she is part Native American?

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Well, Trump did it again. Derogatory names now for poor people in poor countries with skin color unlike his. Trumps America is not the REAL AMERICA , but one he fantasizes in his mind, that doesn't exist here. Some of the most BRILLIANT minds were those who grew up POOR, and Color had NOTHING to do with it. My father grew up in an orphanage during the depression and ended up a Nuclear Engineer graduating from M. I. T. His life was AMAZING, considering the sHole he came from.

Is this how foolish folks will be when the BEAST makes you take a mark, but then when called out says, "NO NO, IM NOT THE BEAST...the fake news is lying" .....bla bla bla, because that's what I'm seeing.
---kathr4453 on 1/18/18


Jerry, bragging about your education level IS THE MOST IGNORANT THING ANYONE CAN SAY. Some of the most educated people can be most ignorant on other subject matters. So what makes you think your ROCK COLLECTION can prove you know everything there is to know about everything in this world? Your extreme right wing views calling everyone who is not an extreme right wing person a Marxist Lefty Nazi is the most IGNORANT THING anyone can say.

There are more than these two extremes in the world of politics. Your IGNORANCE in thinking so makes you IGNORANT. And not discussing , but calling names is what IGNORANT people do. Why, because it doesn't take much brain power to CALL PEOPLE NAMES they have learned from others calling names.
---kathr4453 on 12/21/17


Jerry , Calvinism was the beginning of the Prosperity Gospel. And Capitalism grew out of Calvinism. And much of your own beliefs are ALSO steeped in the false prosperity gospel. YOU BELIEVE that you inherited the earthly blessings God gave specifically to Israel...that somehow they got TRANSFERED TO AMERICA, via the Puritan's false belief that WE are now the NEW Promise Land, and WE are now Gods NEW Chosen people. And this false doctrine has infiltrated many aspects of America, including This idea that Gods favor is on the RICH, and the poor are poor because of their sin. IGNORANT FOLKS believe it.

So you see Jerry, MY BELIEF has NOTHING TO DO with Marxism or Lefty Nazi beliefs, BUT SPIRITUAL BELIEFS.
---kathr4453 on 12/21/17


Jerry like Einstein said..there is a vast difference between STUPID, and IGNORANT. Obviously you didn't even understand his statement ....which again shows you are ignorant...or maybe not...maybe you are stupid...I don't know Jerry. A person's education level has nothing to do with a person's IGNORANCE. But anyone who has any education and CAN LEARN is not stupid.

WILLFUL IGNORANCE also has nothing to do with a person's education level or IQ.

Also Jerry, just because many HATE what Trump is doing does not make them Marxists. It only makes them RESEARCH what Karl Marx said about the CORRUPT SIDE OF GREEDY CAPITALISM. You may want to revisit ....
---kathr4453 on 12/21/17


Kathr4453: You call me ignorant without knowing my level of education. (I'd put my academic & professional credentials up against yours any day.) I call you a Marxist based on the Marxist philosophy you espouse here on CN. One opinion is evidence-based and the other is not. See if you can reason which is which.


---Jerry6593 on 12/21/17




Jerry, I didn't call you stupid( which would be mean) but IGNORANT, which Paul uses many times in scripture. It means LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.

But you and Haz27 continual calling folks Marxists, Nazi, Lefty, is actually Unchristlike Jerry. Did you say that because you are 1) IGNORANT, 2) STUPID, or 3) just plain MEAN spirited, who knows NOTHING about NOTHING except to call names when someone doesn't agree with you. I will say that again Jerry....Your behavior is that of "an ignorant". Just like the IGNORANTS Paul called out and rebuked in scripture. There were IGNORANTS who didn't know better, and WILLFUL IGNORANTS, which is a totally different animal. Which one are you Jerry?
---kathr4453 on 12/18/17


Katty: "I can't believe some of these ignorant statements coming out of Nicole and Jerry."

Another example of your Christian love, Kat? You Marxists can't help but reveal your true nature sooner or later. (Oh, I know you don't think you're a Marxist, but you are.)

There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. As Einstein is credited with saying, "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." I see no limit to your penchant for self-deception.


---Jerry6593 on 12/18/17


Strongaxe, RE: comment under the 1)2)3)4), Is true how Trump wants to control the Media, (" the fake news" jingle, attacks on media) Free speech( taking a knee) wants to make illegal and many of these other issues we seem to be having with THIS president....attacks on women, Civil Rights Leaders, etc. I get it, hopefully you get it, but Jerry, Haz27 and Nicole don't seem to get it. OH they do get it, but also want to shut them down, calling them, NAZI, MARXIST, LEFTY's etc. I say TOO, if the NRA can SPEAK, and influence government policy.......then so should the Sahara Club. Environmentalists NEED to be listened to....and show how WE DONT NEED TO BE BUILDING ON SWAMP LAND...causing a massive flood in Houston ETC.
---kathr4453 on 12/18/17


Strongaxe, as I said to Nicole, some say three, some say four. I even asked "alexia " ha ha, also defining the 4 th branch, but did not define the 4th as you just have.

But again, even with that, it has nothing to do with MARXISM, LEFTYS etc, as Jerry stated, or Trump TRUMPING all branches as Nicole wants to believe. And in light of their belief that he DOES, I felt it important to note the 4th branch....WE THE PEOPLE in context to the conversation. Actually WE THE PEOPLE won the revolutionary war against the English Government. So personally I feel strongly the 4th holds value, then and now. WE! According to the constitution CAN ( having legal constitutional permission) throw out our whole government and start anew.
---kathr4453 on 12/17/17


4th branch of Gov. Wikipedia

In the American political system, the fourth branch of government refers to a group that influences the three branches of government defined in the American Constitution, ( legislative, executive, judicial) such groups can include:

1) the press
2) the people
3) interest groups
4) US independent administrative government agencies

Now the argument is the 4 th branch is out of control being taken over by bureaucrats WITHOUT the influence of THE PEOPLE, being now CONTROLLED by the Executive Branch, which is NOT how our founding fathers set up the Government.
---kathr4453 on 12/17/17




kathr4453:

google: "branches of government"

The constitution mentions three branches: legislative (Congress), executive (President and various government departments), and judiciary (the courts). The legislative branch is divided into the House and Senate.

One may prosaically refer to other groups that have influence over the government (e.g. the people, the media, lobbyists, money, the military-industrial complex, etc.) as a fourth branch, but those are not officially branches of government.

In much the same way, one refers to "the fifth column" of an invasion - e.g. if four armies attack a country from the four compass directions, the fifth column is an unseen subversion from within.
---StrongAxe on 12/17/17


I can't believe some of these ignorant statements coming out of Nicole and Jerry. This country has ALWAYS had WE THE PEOPLE Jerry, and it has nothing to do,with Karl Marx or Leftys or what ever nonsense is in your head.

Under THE AMERICAN DEMOCRATIC CONSTITUTION, we have ALWAYS had Four, yes 4 branches of Government. I can't help that your LIMITED EDITION of Civics, or that you never got HIGHER than Civics 101 in your lives.

THE PEOPLE also VOTED INTO Senate, to REPRESENT THEM, NOT RULE THEM, Doug Jones. And NO other branch including the President can change that.

WE vote into office to REPRESENT US, not RULE US. That may be where your IGNORANCE in this comes from, or what Roy Moore wants you to believe. WRONG!
---kathr4453 on 12/17/17


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: BTW, WE THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR TRUMP TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Three million MORE people voted for Hillary than voted for Trump.
---StrongAxe on 12/17/17


Kathr:..and WE THE PEOPLE don't have to get permission from TRUMP or any president or any other branch.---kathr4453on 12/16/17

BTW, WE THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR TRUMP TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/16/17


Kathr: some say three and some say four. It's not the issue here as to ones view on this issue, and I lean towards the 4 branches.//

That's like saying a car runs on 3 or 4 tires.

It is the issue because you are arguing about a Government system in which you DON'T even KNOW it's BASIC FUNCTION OF FOUNDATION!

//To make some mountain out of it only shows you LOVE arguing over NOTHING.//

Actually, it SHOWS you CAN'T say the words 'I was wrong'.

It shows you don't have the character of a decent person.

//Take your pills and go to bed Nicole.---kathr4453

Exhibit A

No decency at all.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/15/17


Nicole: Our leftist friends are victims of the institutions they support. The media (news and entertainment organizations) were indeed once considered (metaphorically) to be the fourth branch of government, in that they engaged in investigative reporting to reveal the "truth" about the inner workings of Washington. This is no longer the case. Karl Marx hatched the plan that these institutions, together with educational institutions and eventually government itself, were to be overtaken to usher in Communist Utopia.

They have nearly succeeded, even to the point that some of their dupes think that Wikipedia can rewrite our Constitution.


---Jerry6593 on 12/16/17


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Without WE THE PEOPLE, under our constitution, there would not even be three other branches. WE THE PEOPLE elect presidents, congressmen, representatives, senators, judges, and even school board members. "We the people" the 4 branch of our government, should actually be considered the 1st branch.

Now in other countries that are not democracies , may also have something equivalent to some of our branches, but the people have NO SAY or influence in that election or process. WE THE PEOPLE also have a strong and powerful voice that influences. WE THE PEOPLE hire lawyers, and can take OUR case all the way to the Supreme Court , and WE THE PEOPLE don't have to get permission from TRUMP or any president or any other branch.
---kathr4453 on 12/16/17


Nicole, some say three and some say four. It's not the issue here as to ones view on this issue, and I lean towards the 4 branches. You can lean towards the three. To make some mountain out of it only shows you LOVE arguing over NOTHING.

Again whether three or four, TRUMP, or the branch of the president does NOT have POWER over any other branch, NOR can he shut down FREE SPEECH. ...

Take your pills and go to bed Nicole.
---kathr4453 on 12/15/17


Jerry, I know right?

Not helping StrongAxe.

Kathr, I see the problem. Thank you for telling me what or who is the 4th Branch.

Think about it. Who controls the media? It doesn't have elections. Anyone with enough money can start it. There's no oversight. No one is appointed. There's no way of deciding who's in this so-called fourth Branch so by your theory and Wikipedia it's not a branch of government because there's no oversight.
Remember the Gov is by the people for the people. Not by a few rich people. Everyone has a voice in the matter.

Besides Wikipedia try it again and Google another credible source and you will see there's only 3 Branches of Gov.

Or find a 8th grader and ask to see her Civic book.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/15/17


Wikipedia has been examined for accuracy and found approximately equal on average to Brittanica.

A weakness and also strength of wikis is that anyone can edit them. While this lets people inject biases, many people who know the facts will likely see the errors and correct them. The Bible frequently says truth is established by two or three witnesses - and the more witnesses there are, the more accurate truth gets.

One firm policy of Wikipedia is that it includes NO primary data - ALL information MUST be attested to elsewhere, and each article has footnotes to the sources. You don't have to trust Wikipedia itself - go to the listed sources for yourself to see if they are true (as the Bereans did).
---StrongAxe on 12/15/17


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Jerry, there are many more links than Wikipedia. Look it up yourself. It's crazy for you to scoff at that fact. You seem to forget " WE THE PEOPLE" But the question wasn't about HOW MANY BRANCHES, but the FACT that the president is not OVER any branch but his own. The President CANNOT override any Supreme Court decision. He also cannot OVERRIDE any decision of the Legislative branch. Will he force his TAX thingy, even if the HOUSE votes it down? He can't, and THAT is the issue. And he CANT shut down the press OR OUR FREEDOMS.

If you think he can, or you actually WANT him to or want him to have TOTAL POWER..YOU ARE CRAZY. He's becoming a LAME DUCK PRESIDENT, even before his first year in.
---kathr4453 on 12/15/17


Kathr: "Fourth branch of government - Wikipedia"

I repeat:

Apparently, crazy can't recognize crazy.


---Jerry6593 on 12/15/17


In the American political system, the fourth branch of government refers to a group that influences the three branches of government defined in the American Constitution (legislative, executive and judicial). Such groups can include the press (an analogy for the Fourth Estate), the people, and interest groups.
Fourth branch of government - Wikipedia


So why don't YOU google it before you post?

I know Trump would LOVE to shut down the press, but he has no power to do so. Maybe in N. Korea ....but NOT IN AMERICA.
---kathr4453 on 12/14/17


Kathr: Trump is NOT OVER any branch.//

The President is over the Executive Branch

//There are 4 individual distinct branches,//

3, Three not four

Executive
Legislative
Judicial

Why don't you Google these things before you start debating me?

Do yourself and me a favor? Name this so called 4th Branch of Government?

I am truly curious what you think is a Branch.
Most likely it falls under one of the 3 Branches I listed.

I wasn't denying the approval of Supreme Court Nominees.

I said Trump could FIRE Comey and FIRE Mueller tomorrow because he is OVER the FBI

//Sorry Nicole, you need to take a civics class.//

Obviously you do if you think there's FOUR branches.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/14/17


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Kathr, there are 3 official branches of government, not 4. They are the executive branch, the judicial branch, and the legislative branch. The power of the executive branch is vested in the President of the United States, who also acta as the head of state and Commander-in-Cheif of the armed forces. The president is the head of the executive branch and is reaponsible for appointing or firing the heads of federal agencies which includes the FBI and the Department of Justice.
---ObamasBoy on 12/14/17


Nicole, Trump is NOT OVER any branch. There are 4 individual distinct branches, and THAT is so NO ONE BRANCH can ruff shod over another. PRES is only one of the 4 branches. Now he can appoint a Supreme Court Judge, but THAT can be voted down by congress. If that were not so Nicole, Obamas pick before leaving office would not have been challenged.

Sorry Nicole, you need to take a civics class. TRUMP can say and do anything he wants....But there ARE consequences to that as well.

And TRUMP cannot decide on a whim to re- enforce slavery either...

And here is another law suit about the National Monuments in Utah. If he CAN do whatever.....there would not be ALL THESE LAW SUITS AGAINST HIM. OR INVESTIGATIONS.
---kathr4453 on 12/14/17


Kathr: The President is NOT a dictator.//

As Barrack Obama found out.

//So yes, the Pres can do and say this or that ...AND IN DOING SO, the people and agencies CAN take it to court, and TRUMP or any President can LOSE.//

Yes and the Supreme Court KICKED out the case and Trump WON the Travel Ban case.

When will you guys realizes that Trump is OVER the Executive Branch?

It includes the FBI meaning he could FIRE Comey and Mullen Tomorrow if he wants to fire him as well.

Trump can move the Embassy to Jerusalem because Congress ALREADY passed the bill in 1995.

Instead of arguing with me about our Government, take a course in Civics first.

Just make sure it's OUR civics and not Russia's civics.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/14/17


Nicole, I'm not sure you know how government works. The President is NOT a dictator. So yes, the Pres can do and say this or that ...AND IN DOING SO, the people and agencies CAN take it to court, and TRUMP or any President can LOSE. He's not a dictator Nicole, and this country is not a dictatorship.

Trump has made a lot of promises, BUT even with that...PLANS NEED TO BE MADE when fulfilling those promises it ensure a smooth and safe application. This is NOT a Company Trump OWNES. Get that through your head.
---kathr4453 on 12/13/17


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Kathr: again we are NOT part of 'NEED TO KNOW' group.

WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

It's on video when Trump said he was moving our Embassy to Jerusalem last yr.

//And the Supreme Court had the last say...and overturned Trumps..off the cuff, decision. JUST MAYBE if Trump had discussed it FIRST with the Military, and came up with a plan, maybe THEN it would have resulted in something.---kathr

You are confused. Fake Media

No, the Supreme Court AGREED with the Trump with allowed his TRAVEL BAN and KICK OUT the ridiculous Lawsuits against the Ban.

The Pentagon is allowing SOME Transgender into Military, but make NO mistake, Trump CAN STILL put an end to that as well. He is OVER the Pentagon. KNOW YOUR GOV!
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/13/17


BULLIES are CRAZY.--kathr

True. And the biggest bullies are the totalitarian Left and their totalitarian Islamofascist allies.

The record of genocide from the totalitarian Left and Islam is unrivaled by any other ideology.
---Haz27 on 12/13/17


Jerry so true, Trump's "Rocket Man" name calling is CRAZY. just like he has pet names he BULLIES others with. He's a BULLY. And BULLIES are CRAZY.
---kathr4453 on 12/13/17


Nicole: "When will you Democrats realize that N. Korea's Leader is crazy?"

Apparently, crazy can't recognize crazy.



---Jerry6593 on 12/13/17


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Either they did or didn't Nicole. If they did know months ago PROVE IT. A "Probably " is not an answer, only YOUR imagination.

I know it's NOT the way Trumps government works.

Trumps off the cuff banning transgender from the military, even the Military didn't know or was it ever discussed with them. And the Supreme Court had the last say...and overturned Trumps ...off the cuff, decision. JUST MAYBE if Trump had discussed it FIRST with the Military, and came up with a plan, maybe THEN it would have resulted in something.
---kathr4453 on 12/13/17


Kathr: but giving a 5 day heads up is not enough time to SECURE ALL our embassies all over the Arab Nations.//

Just because we got 5 days heads up doesn't mean our Embassies ONLY got 5 days heads up.

That's NOT how our Government works.

They knew of the plan most likely months ago.

//Things like this need more than just a 5 day notice.//

I hate to break it to you, but you and I DIDN'T NEED KNOW any time sooner.

WHY?

Trump told us LAST YEAR and you DIDN'T believe him, so what would you have done if he told you 2 month ago?

You had a ONE YEAR NOTICE.

//this could have waited until N. Korea has settled down.//

When will you Democrats realize that N. Korea's Leader is crazy?
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/12/17


Nicole, it was all over more than Fox, but giving a 5 day heads up is not enough time to SECURE ALL our embassies all over the Arab Nations. Things like this need more than just a 5 day notice. It's done more harm the WAY it was done.

I think Trump is hoping he brings in the Second Coming with advice from his PAULA WHITE and the 700 Club advisors.

When the Lord does come, He will come to Jerusalem regardless of whether it's the Capitol or not. One thing we do know, is this move really hacked off the Pope and the RCC, who has always leaned toward favoring the Palestinians, but even with that said, this could have waited until N. Korea has settled down.
---kathr4453 on 12/12/17


If I use the name of a legitimate Native American in a way which has a disrespectful meaning, this could be creating a new way of discrimination, plus demeaning a woman by using her name in a poor way.

But lying is nothing new.

But each individual is unique, so I might do better to take the adventure of facing the challenge to have each person speak for one's own self about why each one does what he or she does.

It is too lazy to try to speak for everyone in just one way, I would say (c:

But a simple answer might be that ones for Donald will ignore his wrongs, while they criticize the wrongs of the opposition. But I think this would be lazy, versus making the effort to be really honest.
---Bill on 12/12/17


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No Loony, Trump does not have to step down. Our election doesn't depend on 5 or 100 women. We all get a chance to vote.

Kathr: I SAID, the WAY he went about it, without first WARNING diplomats out in the world, was NEGLIGENT.//

Again, it was all over FOX NEWS before his OFFICIAL announcement.

You need to STOP watching the FAKE MEDIA once and awhile so you won't be so surprised.

You need to calm your nerves.

Don't believe the Democrats about the 'SECRET RED BUTTON' in the White House.

It doesn't exist.

That's Hollywood.

There are direct lines (phones that happen to be red) to nuclear codes that has to go through several people.

RELAX!

Jerry I see what you are talking about.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/12/17


Jerry, repeating FOX fake news is not facts. Don't believe everything you hear.
---kathr4453 on 12/12/17


Nicole: Don't bother giving facts to Katty. As a devotee of the leftist religion, she has no use for them.


---Jerry6593 on 12/12/17


Nicole, I SAID, the WAY he went about it, without first WARNING diplomats out in the world, was NEGLIGENT.

Trump can ( maybe not now because of his impulsive behavior) push the red button( if you know what I mean) on a whim( NOT ANYMORE, BECAUSE OF HIS IMPULSIVE BEHAVIOR DISORDER) .

All I'm saying is, because of the times we are living in AND BECAUSE of 911 and other issues, and WITH NORTH KOREA a at this time, Trumps TIMING is totally ..what I call...

Wanting to start a war no matter WHO it's with. The man is ITCHING to start a war. WHY! Because it will take the heat off the Russian investigation. He has a motive...and it ain't the Utmost urgent importance Of where an Embassy is or isn't located that is URGENT.
---kathr4453 on 12/12/17


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Kathr: I hate to point these facts to you.

ISIS warned us 2 weeks ago. Massive attack during Christmas. It was all over FOX NEWS

22 years ago: ***In 1995, Congress passed the Jerusalem Embassy Act, requiring the US to transfer its embassy to Jerusalem by 1999 at the latest. The bill, however, allowed the president to delay implementation every six months, something successive presidents, from Clinton to Obama, have insisted on doing. They have seen the bill as an infringement of the presidents right to set foreign policy and a potential security risk...

All 3 past Presidents PROMISED to move our Embassy to Jerusalem on the campaign trail just as Trump.

Don't get mad at Trump for KEEPING HIS WORD.

SWEET!
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/11/17


Now that these women have come out over Trump's sexual improprieties, will he have to resign?
---Loony1 on 12/11/17


I hate to say it, but I believe the ONLY reason Trump ...without consulting anyone first or finding at least a diplomatic way of transition of the capital to Jerusalem, was to create havoc and possible retaliation SO THAT he can say SEE..I TOLD YOU WE NEED TO KEEP THEM OUT.

TRUMP LOVES drama...the Drama Queen of Drama Queens. This has always been a very trick area...and Trump is like a bull in a china closet. He simply does NOT CARE about safety FIRST....

Totally scary the way he just DECIDES things on a dime. It has put many diplomats around the world in danger. TRUMP is a MORON.
---kathr4453 on 12/11/17


StrongAxe: It seems as if mass murder is less severe if the murderer is a white "Christian"//

Name ONE practicing Christian that committed mass murder in United States?

One?

NONE of the White men went to Church

They were secular Americans.

But, I can name several practicing Muslims who committed mass murders.

Besides, I don't have to give up my gun because someone else wants to kill me.

What sense does that make?

They get illegal guns means I should disarm myself???? NO!

The opposite, I need to buy more guns to protect myself.

Remember, it was a NRA Good Citizen that STOPPED that man who killed the 27 Church Members.

Not the Police!

Not the Military!
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/11/17


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Jerry6593:

Could you please discuss without pejoratives like "Demoncrats"?

Republicans also divide by race and religion. Several white men shoot up crowds of dozens of people in Nevada and Texas, and each time, it's "too soon" to talk about gun control, but one foreign Muslim mows down only eight people in New York, and the president screamed "SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!". It seems as if mass murder is less severe if the murderer is a white "Christian".
---StrongAxe on 12/11/17


We are all the children of Noah, so what difference does it make? The Demoncrats like to divide us (as did Marx) by race, income, ethnicity, etc. and use the differences for political leverage. The real issue here is that a congresswoman who takes the title "Honorable" would stoop to such ridiculous LIES to gain that advantage.


---Jerry6593 on 12/11/17


They could only tell me it was from the Eastern part of Europe.////

Nicole, I'm not AFRAID at all of your delusions. And For some odd strange reason you think if you claim to be Jewish it upsets me....SO WRONG AND SO STUPID. Get over yourself Nicole. I could care less if it shows you as part parakeet ...

If you were truly Eastern European Jew, it would say...ASHKENAZI JEW, as opposed to Sephardic Jew, and it would also break down your Eastern European into what % is ONLY Eastern European and what percent OF your Eastern European is Ashkenazi Jew. You've made no such claim, so you are Eastern European WITHOUT ANY JEWISH BLOOD.

Nothing you say here will change that FACT. And yes, I also KNOW how these DNA reports read.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/17


Nicole Lacey said, "FIRST! 22% Caucasian. 2ND Ireland, England etc. It is broken down. GOT IT?"

I am NOT putting down your test. But: The Caucasian race is a grouping of human beings which, depending on which of the historical race classifications used, have usually included some or all of the ancient and modern populations of Europe, the Caucasus, Asia Minor, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia, Central Asia and South Asia. As Ireland and England are both parts of Europe, and most of them are "white" then that would be part of your 22%
---Monk_Brendan on 12/8/17


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Kathr: No Nicole, Eastern European is NOT European Jew...TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. I keep trying to tell you this, and you just don't understand.//

PAID ATTENTION!

The DNA Folks know MORE about MY DNA than YOU!

They broke EACH SECTION DOWN!

FIRST! 22% Caucasian

2ND Ireland, England etc. It is broken down. GOT IT?

For the Jewish part they could ONLY tell me it was from the Eastern part of Europe.

Again, I believe you are afraid that I am Jewish and you are NOT!

Have you been tested?

You and Warren shouldn't be afraid of your REAL family tree.

Embrace your family!

DON'T WORRY ABOUT MY FAMILY
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/8/17


Monk, so she claimed 1\32 and that was accepted? So it appears the qualifications for Harvard are different than the qualifications needed to be accepted by Native Americans themselves. Now it is my understanding her 3rd Great Grandmother was Cherokee. So where is this horrible offensive lie? I see no lie.
Now if Harvard had a RULE one MUST first qualify according to a Tribes credentials and she falsified those papers, then yes a crime was committed. If Harvard accepts 1/32 based on verbal history handed down, then that's Harvard's prerogative to do so.... Then she did not do anything wrong or lie. Trump is only REPEATING her disgruntled poor sport opponent...and loves the opportunity to call her names.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/17


ObamasBoy:

"We regret that the President's use of the name Pocahontas as a slur to insult a political adversary is overshadowing the true purpose of today's White House ceremony," stated NCAI President Jefferson Keel, a decorated U.S. Army officer and Vietnam War combat veteran.

I was just repeating what the Native American veterans at the ceremony said themselves. If I'm a liar, then so are they. Take it up with them. However, I think THEY're in a better position to know what they said than YOU are.

Therefore, your accusations of lying are, themselves, false accusations. Please remove the lies from your own eyes, which will better let you see the lies in others' eyes.
---StrongAxe on 12/7/17


No Nicole, Eastern European is NOT European Jew...TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. I keep trying to tell you this, and you just don't understand.

Many thousands of millions of people who are Eastern European are NOT JEWISH at all Nicole.

I believe you are Eastern European because your results say so, but to try to say that mean European Jew ...IT DOES NOT. Therefore I stand by my original statement. Your results do not support you being Jewish.

So again, are YOU embellishing here and yet you have the audacity to point fingers at Elizabeth Warren? Hypocrite!
---kathr4453 on 12/7/17


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StrongAxe: How so? She was elected based on votes cast by constituents, not affirmative action.//

Nooo, not the Senate job. She took a Teaching Job at a College that was opened for minorities so that the school COULD fulfill the affirmative actions. Warren told them she was a Minority on the basis of being a Native American.


KATHR: 22% European and Caucasian Are NOT the same. And BASIC DNA tests , don't just say European.//

YES THEY ARE AND DID!

THEN THEY BREAK IT DOWN!

The ONLY one they CAN'T break down is the Native American.
Take the test and come back to me.

My Jewish DNA was under the 22% Caucasian section then said EASTERN EUROPEAN.

HAPPY?
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/7/17


StrongAxe, no. I am calling YOU a liar for falsely accusing Trump of making a racial slur. Shame on you for your lies.
---ObamasBoy on 12/7/17


StrongAxe said, "Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: She has to prove it since she TOOK a job from a REAL NATIVE AMERICAN.

How so? She was elected based on votes cast by constituents, not affirmative action."


Not then, AXE, it was the years she spent teaching, where she claimed the 1/32 Indian blood to get the tenured Professorship she wanted.
---Monk_Brendan on 12/7/17


ObamasBoy:

Are you calling the very veterans whom Trump spoke to liars? Because THEY themselves saw the comment as an insult. If you don't like their outrage, blame THEM.

But ignoring all that - why did Trump even need to mention Warran at all at an award ceremony honoring Native American veterans? There was no reasonable purpose for such a comment. The ONLY purpose that makes sense is to bring up race. Holding the ceremony under a portrait of "Indian Killer" Jackson even furthered the insult.


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: She has to prove it since she TOOK a job from a REAL NATIVE AMERICAN.

How so? She was elected based on votes cast by constituents, not affirmative action.
---StrongAxe on 12/7/17


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O.B.: I love your posts! You are so right that the Dems can't take a joke. They are sensitive snowflakes with no sense of humor whatever. Poor babies.


---Jerry6593 on 12/7/17


Dont try to CONWAY Out of a racist slur. Many are getting tired of that used up tactic. And the only people that matter in this are the Native Americans WHO WERE INSULTED. that's all that counts.

Trump has nicknames for everyone he doesn't like. It's so childish and immature. But doing this JOKE at a Ceremony honoring Native Americans right under the portrait of an Indian Killer....well, ...how could anything be done and so carelessly. OR was it intentional? This isn't about Elizabeth Warren. It's really about how you all TWIST reality and hope you can TWIST everyone else's.

Oh and guess what ...even REPUBLICANS are dropping like flies ......but you failed to report that too, again TWISTING your own reality...not mine.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/17


..... I am also Jewish?I did an Ancestor DNA test. ....I am 22% European. 72% African 5% Native American 1% Asian.

---Nicole_Lacey on 11/30/16

22% European and Caucasian Are NOT the same. And BASIC DNA tests , don't just say European....they say EASTERN EUROPEAN, WESTERN EUROPEAN, etc. "Caucasian" is not even a category. Irish, Scotish Welch, English, Greek, Scandnanavian, German, etc is how it's also broken down... It traces your ancestors and where they came from.

It also CLEARLY breaks down EuropeanJew from European, and is where I called you out. Also breaks down Sephardic Jews as well, and WHERE they came from.

And AGAIN a DNA test CANNOT prove or disprove Elizabeth Warrens Cherokee roots.
---kathr4453 on 12/6/17


Calling Warren "Pocahantas" was not a racial slur. Only a liar would try to twist it into that. It was comedic poke and call out of her obvious lie. If one of your wimpy friends claimed to be a black belt in martial arts, you might say "Okay, Bruce Lee". Or if one of your nerdy friends claimed to be a ladies man, you might say "Yeah right, Casanova". If your friend claimed he can dunk a basketball, you might say "let's see it, LeBron". Thats exactly what Trump was doing when he called Warren "Pocahontas". It was a poke at her obvious lie, not a racial slur. And you know it and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
---ObamasBoy on 12/6/17


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StrongAxe: Shiva Ayyadural sent a 23andme kit to Warren.

Kathr: you once gave your breakdown, when you claimed you were also Jewish, and NEVER claimed Native American...so are you too a liar?//

Sweetheart, I did tell you, but you were so UPSET when you about the Jewish part you FORGOT the rest of my DNA.

Let's not go there. I told you 22% Caucasian, 72% African, 5% Native and 1% Asian. Then they break each part further.

//Elizabeth Warren is not obligated to prove to you.//

WHAT? She has to prove it since she TOOK a job from a REAL NATIVE AMERICAN.

That's like trying to enter the country claiming you are an American citizen and when they ask to see your passport you scream "Privacy Laws"!?
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/6/17


Question? is it a proven FACT that Elizabeth Warrens Great great great grandmother WAS NOT Cherokee? Seems I read she was.

She did NOT benefit. Immediately after, she ran for senate and won.

But her opponent , being a poor sport has used this as revenge. She did not get voted in because she has Native American blood. It's a NON issue...

It's a NON issue like Trump faking that TIME Magazine cover he posted all over his resorts. Some people just like to embellish. Especially the President. Everything is BIGGER, BETTER BLA BLA. Maybe she should use that at every turn against Trumps credibility. Maybe she doesn't BECAUSE SHE HAS MORE CLASS THAN HE WILL EVER HAVE.
---kathr4453 on 12/6/17


Is it though?
---NurseRobert on 12/5/17

Everyone in the US SouthEast has a story like EW. The Cherokee blood is so thin everyone born east of the Mississippi River and south of the Mason-Dixon line is likely to have Cherokee blood in them.

But none that I know claim this "native" blood. Why would they? Look at what it gets them. If you know any real natives they are likely to tell you what it costs them to be native.

But EW knew what she was doing. She suddenly "declared" only on this one Law directory, when doing so would attract attention, attract clients, and attract distinction.

Investigate how natives feel about "pretendians". They do not support EW.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/6/17


Both are sins. Is one sin greater than another?

---Mark_Eaton on 12/5/17

Is it though? If you repeat a story told to you (a lot of genealogy is handed down this way), and you believe it to be true, is it a lie? Now, if proven false and she STILL repeats it, that's another story.

Trump, OTOH, purposely tried to slur another using a historical figure to do so. Native Americans were rightfully upset about this.

We wont say anything about the gaff of doing the ceremony under the portrait of a president who is regarded as "Indian killer."
---NurseRobert on 12/5/17


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I'm not sure how you can even compare these two...Warren stated she was native American...She was wrong to do so...Trump, OTOH, used the term as a racial slur.
---NurseRobert on 12/4/17

Both are sins. Is one sin greater than another?

Neither murdered. Both used their tongues to sin. Both sins are hated by God.

Warren - a lying tongue.

Trump - sowing discord among brethren
---Mark_Eaton on 12/5/17


Mark_Eaton, many people claim they have Native American heritage, through family's passing down verbal history. If she is 1/32 , I don't see the lie. And since HARVARD never insisted she PROVE her % nor has a % scale been established by Harverd, she didn't break any laws.

Listen, because so much false info is also floating around EW, I'm going to not Judge until or unless I speak with EW personally and ask her if she still believes what she believes, OR did she with malice and for thought lie to gain anything by lying.

I find Trumps LIES far more dangerous and horrific than Miley Cyrus, Johnny Depp, Johnny Cash, or EW questionable LEGAL LIMIT. Did they apply for RESERVATION BENEFITS? Free land and horses?NO!
---kathr4453 on 12/5/17


I've read many articles about people who have taken these DNA tests and have had their genealogy done totally shocked disputing what they were told by their families growing up. Also,people finding out they were adopted who never knew, or finding they had brothers and sisters given away during hard times, the family never talked about. Or even finding out you are Jewish, when your great great created so much secrecy and name changing and even lied about what ship they came over on....just to hide their heritage, because of persecution. Many people have learned AFTER THE FACT, and with today's technology and records who they are and are not.

BUT, WHATS IMPORTANT when you're saved.....IT DOESNT MATTER...BECAUSE WE ARE A NEW CREATURE.
---kathr4453 on 12/5/17


she identified as a minority.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/17

When a person identifies as a minority, specifically a native, they normally belong to that native "tribe".

EW has never applied for membership in their tribe, has never had her ancestry traced which would tell her if she is native, and has never even met with a tribal representative about her ancestry.

And yet, she identified herself as "native" in a Law directory.

What was her motivation for identifying as a native if not some kind of benefit?

They even have a name for people who claim native blood without proof, "pretendians". They include Johnny Cash, Miley Cyrus, Johnny Depp and even Bill Clinton.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/5/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: I did and I am at least 5% Native American. 5% more than Elizabeth Warren.

You can't KNOW that without KNOWING her DNA profile.

Why won't Warren take the FREE DNA test given to her?

Who gives free DNA tests?
---StrongAxe on 12/4/17


Mark_Eaton, I did some fact checking about EW where many lies are circulating. She does not live in a 5 million dollar mansion, and Harvard clearly said she did not get special treatment because she identified as a minority.

Also Pocahontas is a derogatory name Trump gave her....not that she is a descendent of Pocahontas. He's a MORON.

There are so many different tribes of Native American. Those who are actually Cherokee don't even register as Native Americans. Their DNA shows up as Middle Eastern....

So maybe many others do not either. It's a new science.

Many tribes died out due to disease etc, and actually today cannot be traced. DNA for Native Americans is more difficult than many realize.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/17


I'm not sure how you can even compare these two.

Warren stated she was native American based on handed down stories are a good place to start, but are not really a reliable source. She was wrong to do so.

Trump, OTOH, used the term as a racial slur.

John Norwood, general secretary of the Alliance of Colonial Era Tribes The reference is using a historic American Indian figure as a derogatory insult and thats insulting to all American Indians.
---NurseRobert on 12/4/17


The real question here is the same as many have asked here...why all the name calling. Trump used a moniker .....name calling, to INSULT Elizabeth Warren, just like many here use derogatory pet names in insulting others. So the real question has nothing to do Warren, but WHY are people upset with Trumps immature childish name calling?

Really Nicole, you have to ask. No one likes being called names. But to make an issue out of EW at a ceremony for Native American War Hero's , only shows how MORONIC Trump is. But since you like name calling, your new Nick name will be Pokywigwamwoman. It matters NOT whether you like the name or not....or if you even consider it disrespectful, or racist. It's how I choose to address you from no on.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/17


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Wow Nicole, you once gave your breakdown, when you claimed you were also Jewish, and NEVER claimed Native American ....so, are you too a liar?

Also because of personal privacy, many people do not want to turn their DNA over to anyone and many articles online are warning people about this very thing. With that, Elizabeth Warren is not obligated to prove to you or me anything.

All these tests are different, not a perfect science, some trace mothers line, some fathers. No one knows anything about Pocahontas's mother.

And MOST native tribes is not ALL, and even with that is it a LAW that someone needs to be a certain %? If no laws are in place, her percent cannot be legally challenged.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/17


I give Elizabeth the benefit of the doubt, just like you give Roy Moore the BENEFIT OF THE doubt.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/17

I do too, and she still does not measure up.

According to her family legend, if true, her heritage would make her 1/32 Cherokee.

According to most Native American tribes, a person needs at least 1/16 native heritage to be called "Native". Cherokee officials have said that she is not Cherokee.

Unless Elizabeth wants to return to the "one drop" Antebellum laws, she need to stop claiming she is a Native American.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/4/17


Kathr: you should know since you've taken a DNA test//

I did and I am at least 5% Native American. 5% more than Elizabeth Warren.

You don't see me lying to Harvard to bet 6% Native Americans or greater for a job made for REAL NATIVE AMERICANS!

Why won't Warren take the FREE DNA test given to her?

Because even she knows she LIED!

//that all of these DNA places say certain tribes cannot be traced as Native American.//

WRONG! That's not how the simple ones works.

It DOESN'T state tribes, but CAN states Native to America.

Which 1% Warren's blood line ISN'T from America. ALL OF IT is from Europe!

A very expensive blood DNA will tell you have a Tribe Member to compare blood line.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/17


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