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Is Senator Warren A Native

Why is everyone upset with President Donald Trump for calling Senator Elizabeth Warren 'Pocahontas', but NOT mad at Warren for lying saying she is part Native American?

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Nicole, it was all over more than Fox, but giving a 5 day heads up is not enough time to SECURE ALL our embassies all over the Arab Nations. Things like this need more than just a 5 day notice. It's done more harm the WAY it was done.

I think Trump is hoping he brings in the Second Coming with advice from his PAULA WHITE and the 700 Club advisors.

When the Lord does come, He will come to Jerusalem regardless of whether it's the Capitol or not. One thing we do know, is this move really hacked off the Pope and the RCC, who has always leaned toward favoring the Palestinians, but even with that said, this could have waited until N. Korea has settled down.
---kathr4453 on 12/12/17


If I use the name of a legitimate Native American in a way which has a disrespectful meaning, this could be creating a new way of discrimination, plus demeaning a woman by using her name in a poor way.

But lying is nothing new.

But each individual is unique, so I might do better to take the adventure of facing the challenge to have each person speak for one's own self about why each one does what he or she does.

It is too lazy to try to speak for everyone in just one way, I would say (c:

But a simple answer might be that ones for Donald will ignore his wrongs, while they criticize the wrongs of the opposition. But I think this would be lazy, versus making the effort to be really honest.
---Bill on 12/12/17


No Loony, Trump does not have to step down. Our election doesn't depend on 5 or 100 women. We all get a chance to vote.

Kathr: I SAID, the WAY he went about it, without first WARNING diplomats out in the world, was NEGLIGENT.//

Again, it was all over FOX NEWS before his OFFICIAL announcement.

You need to STOP watching the FAKE MEDIA once and awhile so you won't be so surprised.

You need to calm your nerves.

Don't believe the Democrats about the 'SECRET RED BUTTON' in the White House.

It doesn't exist.

That's Hollywood.

There are direct lines (phones that happen to be red) to nuclear codes that has to go through several people.

RELAX!

Jerry I see what you are talking about.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/12/17


Jerry, repeating FOX fake news is not facts. Don't believe everything you hear.
---kathr4453 on 12/12/17


Nicole: Don't bother giving facts to Katty. As a devotee of the leftist religion, she has no use for them.


---Jerry6593 on 12/12/17




Nicole, I SAID, the WAY he went about it, without first WARNING diplomats out in the world, was NEGLIGENT.

Trump can ( maybe not now because of his impulsive behavior) push the red button( if you know what I mean) on a whim( NOT ANYMORE, BECAUSE OF HIS IMPULSIVE BEHAVIOR DISORDER) .

All I'm saying is, because of the times we are living in AND BECAUSE of 911 and other issues, and WITH NORTH KOREA a at this time, Trumps TIMING is totally ..what I call...

Wanting to start a war no matter WHO it's with. The man is ITCHING to start a war. WHY! Because it will take the heat off the Russian investigation. He has a motive...and it ain't the Utmost urgent importance Of where an Embassy is or isn't located that is URGENT.
---kathr4453 on 12/12/17


Kathr: I hate to point these facts to you.

ISIS warned us 2 weeks ago. Massive attack during Christmas. It was all over FOX NEWS

22 years ago: ***In 1995, Congress passed the Jerusalem Embassy Act, requiring the US to transfer its embassy to Jerusalem by 1999 at the latest. The bill, however, allowed the president to delay implementation every six months, something successive presidents, from Clinton to Obama, have insisted on doing. They have seen the bill as an infringement of the presidents right to set foreign policy and a potential security risk...

All 3 past Presidents PROMISED to move our Embassy to Jerusalem on the campaign trail just as Trump.

Don't get mad at Trump for KEEPING HIS WORD.

SWEET!
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/11/17


Now that these women have come out over Trump's sexual improprieties, will he have to resign?
---Loony1 on 12/11/17


I hate to say it, but I believe the ONLY reason Trump ...without consulting anyone first or finding at least a diplomatic way of transition of the capital to Jerusalem, was to create havoc and possible retaliation SO THAT he can say SEE..I TOLD YOU WE NEED TO KEEP THEM OUT.

TRUMP LOVES drama...the Drama Queen of Drama Queens. This has always been a very trick area...and Trump is like a bull in a china closet. He simply does NOT CARE about safety FIRST....

Totally scary the way he just DECIDES things on a dime. It has put many diplomats around the world in danger. TRUMP is a MORON.
---kathr4453 on 12/11/17


StrongAxe: It seems as if mass murder is less severe if the murderer is a white "Christian"//

Name ONE practicing Christian that committed mass murder in United States?

One?

NONE of the White men went to Church

They were secular Americans.

But, I can name several practicing Muslims who committed mass murders.

Besides, I don't have to give up my gun because someone else wants to kill me.

What sense does that make?

They get illegal guns means I should disarm myself???? NO!

The opposite, I need to buy more guns to protect myself.

Remember, it was a NRA Good Citizen that STOPPED that man who killed the 27 Church Members.

Not the Police!

Not the Military!
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/11/17




Jerry6593:

Could you please discuss without pejoratives like "Demoncrats"?

Republicans also divide by race and religion. Several white men shoot up crowds of dozens of people in Nevada and Texas, and each time, it's "too soon" to talk about gun control, but one foreign Muslim mows down only eight people in New York, and the president screamed "SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!". It seems as if mass murder is less severe if the murderer is a white "Christian".
---StrongAxe on 12/11/17


We are all the children of Noah, so what difference does it make? The Demoncrats like to divide us (as did Marx) by race, income, ethnicity, etc. and use the differences for political leverage. The real issue here is that a congresswoman who takes the title "Honorable" would stoop to such ridiculous LIES to gain that advantage.


---Jerry6593 on 12/11/17


They could only tell me it was from the Eastern part of Europe.////

Nicole, I'm not AFRAID at all of your delusions. And For some odd strange reason you think if you claim to be Jewish it upsets me....SO WRONG AND SO STUPID. Get over yourself Nicole. I could care less if it shows you as part parakeet ...

If you were truly Eastern European Jew, it would say...ASHKENAZI JEW, as opposed to Sephardic Jew, and it would also break down your Eastern European into what % is ONLY Eastern European and what percent OF your Eastern European is Ashkenazi Jew. You've made no such claim, so you are Eastern European WITHOUT ANY JEWISH BLOOD.

Nothing you say here will change that FACT. And yes, I also KNOW how these DNA reports read.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/17


Nicole Lacey said, "FIRST! 22% Caucasian. 2ND Ireland, England etc. It is broken down. GOT IT?"

I am NOT putting down your test. But: The Caucasian race is a grouping of human beings which, depending on which of the historical race classifications used, have usually included some or all of the ancient and modern populations of Europe, the Caucasus, Asia Minor, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia, Central Asia and South Asia. As Ireland and England are both parts of Europe, and most of them are "white" then that would be part of your 22%
---Monk_Brendan on 12/8/17


Kathr: No Nicole, Eastern European is NOT European Jew...TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. I keep trying to tell you this, and you just don't understand.//

PAID ATTENTION!

The DNA Folks know MORE about MY DNA than YOU!

They broke EACH SECTION DOWN!

FIRST! 22% Caucasian

2ND Ireland, England etc. It is broken down. GOT IT?

For the Jewish part they could ONLY tell me it was from the Eastern part of Europe.

Again, I believe you are afraid that I am Jewish and you are NOT!

Have you been tested?

You and Warren shouldn't be afraid of your REAL family tree.

Embrace your family!

DON'T WORRY ABOUT MY FAMILY
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/8/17


Monk, so she claimed 1\32 and that was accepted? So it appears the qualifications for Harvard are different than the qualifications needed to be accepted by Native Americans themselves. Now it is my understanding her 3rd Great Grandmother was Cherokee. So where is this horrible offensive lie? I see no lie.
Now if Harvard had a RULE one MUST first qualify according to a Tribes credentials and she falsified those papers, then yes a crime was committed. If Harvard accepts 1/32 based on verbal history handed down, then that's Harvard's prerogative to do so.... Then she did not do anything wrong or lie. Trump is only REPEATING her disgruntled poor sport opponent...and loves the opportunity to call her names.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/17


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ObamasBoy:

"We regret that the President's use of the name Pocahontas as a slur to insult a political adversary is overshadowing the true purpose of today's White House ceremony," stated NCAI President Jefferson Keel, a decorated U.S. Army officer and Vietnam War combat veteran.

I was just repeating what the Native American veterans at the ceremony said themselves. If I'm a liar, then so are they. Take it up with them. However, I think THEY're in a better position to know what they said than YOU are.

Therefore, your accusations of lying are, themselves, false accusations. Please remove the lies from your own eyes, which will better let you see the lies in others' eyes.
---StrongAxe on 12/7/17


No Nicole, Eastern European is NOT European Jew...TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. I keep trying to tell you this, and you just don't understand.

Many thousands of millions of people who are Eastern European are NOT JEWISH at all Nicole.

I believe you are Eastern European because your results say so, but to try to say that mean European Jew ...IT DOES NOT. Therefore I stand by my original statement. Your results do not support you being Jewish.

So again, are YOU embellishing here and yet you have the audacity to point fingers at Elizabeth Warren? Hypocrite!
---kathr4453 on 12/7/17


StrongAxe: How so? She was elected based on votes cast by constituents, not affirmative action.//

Nooo, not the Senate job. She took a Teaching Job at a College that was opened for minorities so that the school COULD fulfill the affirmative actions. Warren told them she was a Minority on the basis of being a Native American.


KATHR: 22% European and Caucasian Are NOT the same. And BASIC DNA tests , don't just say European.//

YES THEY ARE AND DID!

THEN THEY BREAK IT DOWN!

The ONLY one they CAN'T break down is the Native American.
Take the test and come back to me.

My Jewish DNA was under the 22% Caucasian section then said EASTERN EUROPEAN.

HAPPY?
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/7/17


StrongAxe, no. I am calling YOU a liar for falsely accusing Trump of making a racial slur. Shame on you for your lies.
---ObamasBoy on 12/7/17


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StrongAxe said, "Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: She has to prove it since she TOOK a job from a REAL NATIVE AMERICAN.

How so? She was elected based on votes cast by constituents, not affirmative action."


Not then, AXE, it was the years she spent teaching, where she claimed the 1/32 Indian blood to get the tenured Professorship she wanted.
---Monk_Brendan on 12/7/17


ObamasBoy:

Are you calling the very veterans whom Trump spoke to liars? Because THEY themselves saw the comment as an insult. If you don't like their outrage, blame THEM.

But ignoring all that - why did Trump even need to mention Warran at all at an award ceremony honoring Native American veterans? There was no reasonable purpose for such a comment. The ONLY purpose that makes sense is to bring up race. Holding the ceremony under a portrait of "Indian Killer" Jackson even furthered the insult.


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: She has to prove it since she TOOK a job from a REAL NATIVE AMERICAN.

How so? She was elected based on votes cast by constituents, not affirmative action.
---StrongAxe on 12/7/17


O.B.: I love your posts! You are so right that the Dems can't take a joke. They are sensitive snowflakes with no sense of humor whatever. Poor babies.


---Jerry6593 on 12/7/17


Dont try to CONWAY Out of a racist slur. Many are getting tired of that used up tactic. And the only people that matter in this are the Native Americans WHO WERE INSULTED. that's all that counts.

Trump has nicknames for everyone he doesn't like. It's so childish and immature. But doing this JOKE at a Ceremony honoring Native Americans right under the portrait of an Indian Killer....well, ...how could anything be done and so carelessly. OR was it intentional? This isn't about Elizabeth Warren. It's really about how you all TWIST reality and hope you can TWIST everyone else's.

Oh and guess what ...even REPUBLICANS are dropping like flies ......but you failed to report that too, again TWISTING your own reality...not mine.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/17


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..... I am also Jewish?I did an Ancestor DNA test. ....I am 22% European. 72% African 5% Native American 1% Asian.

---Nicole_Lacey on 11/30/16

22% European and Caucasian Are NOT the same. And BASIC DNA tests , don't just say European....they say EASTERN EUROPEAN, WESTERN EUROPEAN, etc. "Caucasian" is not even a category. Irish, Scotish Welch, English, Greek, Scandnanavian, German, etc is how it's also broken down... It traces your ancestors and where they came from.

It also CLEARLY breaks down EuropeanJew from European, and is where I called you out. Also breaks down Sephardic Jews as well, and WHERE they came from.

And AGAIN a DNA test CANNOT prove or disprove Elizabeth Warrens Cherokee roots.
---kathr4453 on 12/6/17


Calling Warren "Pocahantas" was not a racial slur. Only a liar would try to twist it into that. It was comedic poke and call out of her obvious lie. If one of your wimpy friends claimed to be a black belt in martial arts, you might say "Okay, Bruce Lee". Or if one of your nerdy friends claimed to be a ladies man, you might say "Yeah right, Casanova". If your friend claimed he can dunk a basketball, you might say "let's see it, LeBron". Thats exactly what Trump was doing when he called Warren "Pocahontas". It was a poke at her obvious lie, not a racial slur. And you know it and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
---ObamasBoy on 12/6/17


StrongAxe: Shiva Ayyadural sent a 23andme kit to Warren.

Kathr: you once gave your breakdown, when you claimed you were also Jewish, and NEVER claimed Native American...so are you too a liar?//

Sweetheart, I did tell you, but you were so UPSET when you about the Jewish part you FORGOT the rest of my DNA.

Let's not go there. I told you 22% Caucasian, 72% African, 5% Native and 1% Asian. Then they break each part further.

//Elizabeth Warren is not obligated to prove to you.//

WHAT? She has to prove it since she TOOK a job from a REAL NATIVE AMERICAN.

That's like trying to enter the country claiming you are an American citizen and when they ask to see your passport you scream "Privacy Laws"!?
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/6/17


Question? is it a proven FACT that Elizabeth Warrens Great great great grandmother WAS NOT Cherokee? Seems I read she was.

She did NOT benefit. Immediately after, she ran for senate and won.

But her opponent , being a poor sport has used this as revenge. She did not get voted in because she has Native American blood. It's a NON issue...

It's a NON issue like Trump faking that TIME Magazine cover he posted all over his resorts. Some people just like to embellish. Especially the President. Everything is BIGGER, BETTER BLA BLA. Maybe she should use that at every turn against Trumps credibility. Maybe she doesn't BECAUSE SHE HAS MORE CLASS THAN HE WILL EVER HAVE.
---kathr4453 on 12/6/17


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Is it though?
---NurseRobert on 12/5/17

Everyone in the US SouthEast has a story like EW. The Cherokee blood is so thin everyone born east of the Mississippi River and south of the Mason-Dixon line is likely to have Cherokee blood in them.

But none that I know claim this "native" blood. Why would they? Look at what it gets them. If you know any real natives they are likely to tell you what it costs them to be native.

But EW knew what she was doing. She suddenly "declared" only on this one Law directory, when doing so would attract attention, attract clients, and attract distinction.

Investigate how natives feel about "pretendians". They do not support EW.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/6/17


Both are sins. Is one sin greater than another?

---Mark_Eaton on 12/5/17

Is it though? If you repeat a story told to you (a lot of genealogy is handed down this way), and you believe it to be true, is it a lie? Now, if proven false and she STILL repeats it, that's another story.

Trump, OTOH, purposely tried to slur another using a historical figure to do so. Native Americans were rightfully upset about this.

We wont say anything about the gaff of doing the ceremony under the portrait of a president who is regarded as "Indian killer."
---NurseRobert on 12/5/17


I'm not sure how you can even compare these two...Warren stated she was native American...She was wrong to do so...Trump, OTOH, used the term as a racial slur.
---NurseRobert on 12/4/17

Both are sins. Is one sin greater than another?

Neither murdered. Both used their tongues to sin. Both sins are hated by God.

Warren - a lying tongue.

Trump - sowing discord among brethren
---Mark_Eaton on 12/5/17


Mark_Eaton, many people claim they have Native American heritage, through family's passing down verbal history. If she is 1/32 , I don't see the lie. And since HARVARD never insisted she PROVE her % nor has a % scale been established by Harverd, she didn't break any laws.

Listen, because so much false info is also floating around EW, I'm going to not Judge until or unless I speak with EW personally and ask her if she still believes what she believes, OR did she with malice and for thought lie to gain anything by lying.

I find Trumps LIES far more dangerous and horrific than Miley Cyrus, Johnny Depp, Johnny Cash, or EW questionable LEGAL LIMIT. Did they apply for RESERVATION BENEFITS? Free land and horses?NO!
---kathr4453 on 12/5/17


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I've read many articles about people who have taken these DNA tests and have had their genealogy done totally shocked disputing what they were told by their families growing up. Also,people finding out they were adopted who never knew, or finding they had brothers and sisters given away during hard times, the family never talked about. Or even finding out you are Jewish, when your great great created so much secrecy and name changing and even lied about what ship they came over on....just to hide their heritage, because of persecution. Many people have learned AFTER THE FACT, and with today's technology and records who they are and are not.

BUT, WHATS IMPORTANT when you're saved.....IT DOESNT MATTER...BECAUSE WE ARE A NEW CREATURE.
---kathr4453 on 12/5/17


she identified as a minority.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/17

When a person identifies as a minority, specifically a native, they normally belong to that native "tribe".

EW has never applied for membership in their tribe, has never had her ancestry traced which would tell her if she is native, and has never even met with a tribal representative about her ancestry.

And yet, she identified herself as "native" in a Law directory.

What was her motivation for identifying as a native if not some kind of benefit?

They even have a name for people who claim native blood without proof, "pretendians". They include Johnny Cash, Miley Cyrus, Johnny Depp and even Bill Clinton.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/5/17


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: I did and I am at least 5% Native American. 5% more than Elizabeth Warren.

You can't KNOW that without KNOWING her DNA profile.

Why won't Warren take the FREE DNA test given to her?

Who gives free DNA tests?
---StrongAxe on 12/4/17


Mark_Eaton, I did some fact checking about EW where many lies are circulating. She does not live in a 5 million dollar mansion, and Harvard clearly said she did not get special treatment because she identified as a minority.

Also Pocahontas is a derogatory name Trump gave her....not that she is a descendent of Pocahontas. He's a MORON.

There are so many different tribes of Native American. Those who are actually Cherokee don't even register as Native Americans. Their DNA shows up as Middle Eastern....

So maybe many others do not either. It's a new science.

Many tribes died out due to disease etc, and actually today cannot be traced. DNA for Native Americans is more difficult than many realize.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/17


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I'm not sure how you can even compare these two.

Warren stated she was native American based on handed down stories are a good place to start, but are not really a reliable source. She was wrong to do so.

Trump, OTOH, used the term as a racial slur.

John Norwood, general secretary of the Alliance of Colonial Era Tribes The reference is using a historic American Indian figure as a derogatory insult and thats insulting to all American Indians.
---NurseRobert on 12/4/17


The real question here is the same as many have asked here...why all the name calling. Trump used a moniker .....name calling, to INSULT Elizabeth Warren, just like many here use derogatory pet names in insulting others. So the real question has nothing to do Warren, but WHY are people upset with Trumps immature childish name calling?

Really Nicole, you have to ask. No one likes being called names. But to make an issue out of EW at a ceremony for Native American War Hero's , only shows how MORONIC Trump is. But since you like name calling, your new Nick name will be Pokywigwamwoman. It matters NOT whether you like the name or not....or if you even consider it disrespectful, or racist. It's how I choose to address you from no on.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/17


Wow Nicole, you once gave your breakdown, when you claimed you were also Jewish, and NEVER claimed Native American ....so, are you too a liar?

Also because of personal privacy, many people do not want to turn their DNA over to anyone and many articles online are warning people about this very thing. With that, Elizabeth Warren is not obligated to prove to you or me anything.

All these tests are different, not a perfect science, some trace mothers line, some fathers. No one knows anything about Pocahontas's mother.

And MOST native tribes is not ALL, and even with that is it a LAW that someone needs to be a certain %? If no laws are in place, her percent cannot be legally challenged.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/17


I give Elizabeth the benefit of the doubt, just like you give Roy Moore the BENEFIT OF THE doubt.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/17

I do too, and she still does not measure up.

According to her family legend, if true, her heritage would make her 1/32 Cherokee.

According to most Native American tribes, a person needs at least 1/16 native heritage to be called "Native". Cherokee officials have said that she is not Cherokee.

Unless Elizabeth wants to return to the "one drop" Antebellum laws, she need to stop claiming she is a Native American.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/4/17


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Kathr: you should know since you've taken a DNA test//

I did and I am at least 5% Native American. 5% more than Elizabeth Warren.

You don't see me lying to Harvard to bet 6% Native Americans or greater for a job made for REAL NATIVE AMERICANS!

Why won't Warren take the FREE DNA test given to her?

Because even she knows she LIED!

//that all of these DNA places say certain tribes cannot be traced as Native American.//

WRONG! That's not how the simple ones works.

It DOESN'T state tribes, but CAN states Native to America.

Which 1% Warren's blood line ISN'T from America. ALL OF IT is from Europe!

A very expensive blood DNA will tell you have a Tribe Member to compare blood line.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/17


Well Nicole, you should know since you've taken a DNA test..HA HA, that all of these DNA places say certain tribes cannot be traced as Native American. Cherokee is one of them. So it may well be that someone has passed this info down in her family. The same with my daughters mother in law. Story has it she too is a descendent of Pocahontas ....but my son in law got a DNA test, and no where does that register, HOWEVER, it also claims that if ANY DNA company says you have Cherokee blood, that DNA company is a fraud.

I give Elizabeth the benefit of the doubt, just like you give Roy Moore the BENEFIT OF THE doubt.

But all the LIES TRUMP has told....why don't you start a thread on those? Now there are PROVEN LIES.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/17


Can the Senator from Massachusetts tell the truth for once?

One Senator killed a woman by letting her drown in his car.

Al Franken unable to move in large groups of women without his hands accidentally going south or north with accidental squeeze.

Another Conn Senator Blumenthal claiming he was in Vietnam during the war.

What's with these Senators?

Now Senator Warren's generations of Oklahoma Native American pass down famous recipes of the Cherokee tribe, 1984 'Pow Wow Chow'cookbook seems to have been plagiarized.

Why should we be surprised?

She used the Native Americans for money to advance her career.

How low can one be? That is sick.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/3/17


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