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Is there any difference in action and attitude when you read about the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament?

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faithforfait said, "Most people like to....
OBJECT to what I write. They also like to complain and whine about new information because it means that THEY WERE WRONG (their pride/ego is fragile/sensitive/offended)."

Faithforfaith, you'll help us all if you will address the Scriptures were Moses and Paul believed and taught the Trinity.

You still haven't address the Scripture that teaches that the Holy Spirit is a person.

Can you do that for me, Samuel, and Mark sir?

Lets start with Jn 16 where the Holy Spirit is "He." and "Him." not, "It." and "That."
---john9346 on 1/13/18


Most people like to....

OBJECT to what I write. They also like to complain and whine about new information because it means that THEY WERE WRONG (their pride/ego is fragile/sensitive/offended).

This has been happening for centuries because nobody really DOES.....

...decrease so that God may increase.


It is your choice whether you remain a hypocrite or get serious with God (those who won't get serious with God will be allowed to delude themselves with a VERY strong delusion....Ezekiel 14 "I will answer them MYSELF").
---faithforfaith on 1/12/18


It seems that some people here have trouble with the Trinity doctrine.

The Bible never uses the word Trinity. Since it is a theological term used by men to help describe the GODHEAD.

One GOD three persons. That the Trinity is true is easy to find. Hard to understand.

Many find a difference between GOD in the Old and New Testament. Me not so much. Jesus is GOD so when we look at Jesus we see who GOD is.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/10/18


faithforfaith:

Did you know Moses who wrote Deut 6:4 also wrote the following regarding God??:

Gen 1:26, "26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Also, 3:22, 11:7-8, Isa 48:16 "Let us." meaning not just 1 person in the Godhead.

Also, the Lord Jesus in Matt 28:19.
---john9346 on 1/10/18


faithforfaith:

Did you know Paul who wrote Rom 3:30 and Gal 3:29 also wrote the following:

1 Cor 8:6, 2 Cor 3:17, and 13:14??

There is 1 God,however, he exist as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 persons who are distinct, equal, and eternal.
---john9346 on 1/10/18




The Godhead shall not be DEFINED as three persons/dispensations...
---faithforfaith on 1/10/18

Please explain what this verse means in your belief...

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".

Later in John 1:14, we see who the Word is...

John 1:14 " And the Word became flesh, and dwelt in us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth"

As I read these verses, I see that Jesus is God, just as His Father is God also.

Either we believe in Polytheism (more than one God) or we believe in something that can be described in the term "one".
---Mark_Eaton on 1/10/18


The Godhead shall not be DEFINED as three persons/dispensations. God has PROVIDED...

1) CREATION blessings/gifts.
2) the gift of purification.
3) His eternal spirit as teacher for "LIFE".

Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD,

Rom 3:30 since God is one, and he will justify the circumcised on the ground of their faith and the uncircumcised through their faith.

Gal 3:20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

The works of ETERNAL God were FINISHED since before the foundation of the earth.

Moses knew this, but no matter what he ever said to the Jews, they did not listen to him (they preferred the pagan gods of Egypt).
---faithforfaith on 1/10/18


aithforfaith states, "The House of Israel only had ONE HUSBAND to lord over it (we have three)."
Well, first, the Scriptures teach there is only 1 Lord (Yahweh)......
---john9346 on 1/9/18

Dangerous doctrine for him, created of his personal logic. Penalties are explicit. His ignorance being by choice. He has no scripture witnesses to back his marriage conjecture. Both and all covenants are explicit in who they are too.
Gal_1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Mat_20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
---Trav on 1/10/18


faithforfaith states, "The House of Israel only had ONE HUSBAND to lord over it (we have three)."
Well, first, the Scriptures teach there is only 1 Lord (Yahweh),however, that Lord exist in 3 persons The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.

See, Gen 19:1-2, 24, Ps 110:1.

Also, See, Gen 1:1, 1:26, 3:22, 11:7-8, Isa 48:16...
---john9346 on 1/9/18


The House of Israel only had ONE HUSBAND to lord over it (we have three).
---faithforfaith on 1/9/18

Scripture for your false gospel?
You missed the words "for ever" and "everlasting" in scripture.
First covenant was made with a people chosen by GOD. Second states because the first had fault.
Psa_111:9 He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.
Isa_59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD, My spirit that is upon thee, my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.
---Trav on 1/9/18




Many worshipers LOVE to CORRECT other people (pride/ego).
It's also that they can portray themselves as better than the other person (low self-esteem).
We must be careful the way we react to "TRUTH"....focus on the point of what I write, PRODUCTIVE COMMUNICATION can take place,
---faithfaith on 1/8/18

The "SHOUTING" irony of your post here is...was worth a good laugh.
As long as they agree with you it appears they do not have the character traits listed above.
Truth cannot not abide untruth.
You obviously have been experiencing communication problems, I suspect for lack of scriptural witnesses, who bear the brunt of disbelief, haters etc.
---Trav on 1/9/18


Faithforfaith:

How about for the readers addressing who the Holy Spirit is revealed to be in "Scripture." instead of another?

The Lord Jesus Christ stated that the Holy Spirit is a person who is male and is Theos-Yahweh.

Anything other then this teaching is really and truly a lie.

Jn 14:16-17, 26, 15:26, 16:7-15.
---john9346 on 1/9/18


The House of Israel was an IMPURE BRIDE. The Lord was the sacrificial LAMB sent to purify it (it is impossible that the blood of BULLS and goats will take away sins).

The House of Israel only had ONE HUSBAND to lord over it (we have three).

Mat 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence......(USING BOOKS).
---faithforfaith on 1/9/18


CONGRATULATIONS John!...You are CORRECT!

Many worshipers LOVE to CORRECT other people (pride/ego). It's also that they can portray themselves as better than the other person (low self-esteem)......In Jesus, do you really need to have any insecurities?.

Human nature prevents us from being as gentle, peaceful, and logical, etc. as The Father would have us be. We must be careful the way we react to "TRUTH"......and those sharing it with God's beloved (the word "HIM" is clearly visible, if you instead focus on the point of what I write, PRODUCTIVE COMMUNICATION can take place, that will end all the LIES that have been taught for centuries,...WOULDN'T THAT BE NICE?).
---faithfaith on 1/8/18


faithforfaith states, "The Heavenly Father always had a Spirit that was holy/perfect, but it was never "GIVEN"."

The Holy Spirit revealed in the "Scriptures." is he and him never "It." or "That."

The Holy Spirit is a person.
---john9346 on 1/6/18


The creator/"DEITY" has ALWAYS been understood to be the divine/spiritual WORSHIPFUL/good author of life (in both testaments), HOWEVER, His begotten/offspring son Jesus is the FULL and complete dispensation of blessings that the Father has for us.

Romans 1:20 Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity,

Col 2:9 For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily,

When Jesus ascended to be with The Father, He provided us with the ETERNAL SPIRIT.

John 7:39 tells us that the SPIRIT had never been "GIVEN" before.

The Heavenly Father always had a Spirit that was holy/perfect, but it was never "GIVEN".
---faithforfaith on 12/19/17


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And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/18/17


Galatians 5:18-25 ........And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.


Exactly Samuel.
"Have" crucified the flesh. ...means it's a done deal. Now we need to walk in that truth.
---kathr4453 on 12/19/17


Samuel, I think there is so much misconception that we OVERCOME SIN. Actually there is no scripture or doctrine that states we overcome sin. We overcome the world, and we overcome the evil one....but we DIE TO SIN. The correct doctrine is we "died to sin.", not overcome sin.

I also believe that is why so many want to stay under the law. They think in doing so, they are overcoming sin. Scripture tells us something different. Romans 6 tells us EXACTLY what happens to those who are saved by GRACE. It tells us we DIED TO SIN when we were baptized into His death.

Recon yourselves dead to sin and ALIVE TO GOD THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. V11

FOR HE THAT IS DEAD IS FREED FROM SIN. VS 7
---kathr4453 on 12/19/17


Samuel, The old nature has nothing imparted to it, except death, being crucified with Christ. Galatians very point is, No longer I But Christ in me, and the life that I Now live in the flesh, I live by the Faith of Christ IN ME. The MYSTERY..Colossians 1:24-27.

I do hope folks don't think that anything is imparted to our old Adam ....maybe that's why so many have a hard time with living the Christian life....2 Peter 1 also states we become Partakers of HIS Divine nature THROUGH His precious promises. One of those promises is OLD THINGS PASS AWAY ( meaning our old Adam ) and ALL things become NEW. We are not a refurbished, old Adam, but a WHOLE NEW CREATION IN CHRIST. Only the NEW CREATURE can walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh.
---kathr4453 on 12/19/17


True kathyr the Righteousness of Christ is imputed to us by his death and resurrection.

But when we are filled with the Holy Spirit the power to overcome sin is imparted to us. To all who have the fruits of the Spirit.

Galatians 5:18-25 ... of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/18/17


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BO, the same God is in both the old and new. What's changed is the OLD and NEW Covenant. The LAW, aka the OLD Covenant was a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ...the finished works of Christ.

The law points to sin, and clearly defines sin, so no one is without excuse as to what sin is. Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the law, that is, ..the wages of sin is death, where He died in our place..and our sin was placed on Him, SO THAT HIS Righteousness can be IMPUTED, (not imparted...two different things) to those who have put their faith in Him for the forgivness of sin. Jesus paid OUR sin debt. Gods plan all along, even before we were created. God is LOVE, always was, always will be.
---kathr4453 on 12/18/17


There are very important differences that have never been taught.

This is the age of ETERNITY (the Jews only knew the creator according to "TIME").

Jesus is the Son of God that was sired/offspring/BEGOTTEN.

Each of US were ADOPTED as sons (Jesus is our brother/brethren).

Eph 1:10 as a plan for the fulness of time.......(THE COMPLETION AND END OF "TIME").

Eze 36:26 will take out of your flesh the heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

Eze 11:19 and give them a heart of flesh,

Hebrews 2:10 many sons

Heb 9:26 once for all at the end of the age to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself

Rom 8:29 in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren.
---faithforfaith on 12/18/17


Samuelbb7:

Stoning for adultery and murder were not givernment laws - they were illegal according to both the Law of Moses, and the Ten Commandments. In Israel at that time, the government was not Jewish, but Roman.

The guilty were not "supposed" to be brought to Jesus, because he as not the enforcer of either Temple law nor Roman law. Rather, the Pharisees asked his opinion solely in an attempt to get him to trip himself up. Instead, he tripped them up.

This blog is about the attitudes of God, not about the Sabbath commandment (which you seem to inject into most blogs, even when it's not related to the topic).
---StrongAxe on 12/18/17


The law on executing murders were for the Government of Israel. That does not exist here in the United States.

Government regulations like the temple rules are gone. But the Moral laws just as John Wesley stated. They are for Christians forever.

A sign on a Baptist church read. GOD gave ten Commandments not suggestions.

People are fine with obeying nine out of ten.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/17/17


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Jesus didn't enforce the laws of the Government. Especially since when they brought the women caught in adultery. They were breaking the law. For they said they caught her in the act. That meant two people were supposed to be brought to Jesus. The woman and the man according to the law.

Research the Ten Commandments on Wikipedia. The idea they are no longer in effect is a new one from Darby. Not a real part of Christian history. Jesus in Matthew 5 showed them to be both physical and spiritual.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/17/17


Steveng:

You wrote: The only difference between the OT (the old covenant) and the NT (the new covenant) is the OT was of a physical nature and the NT is of a spiritual nature. An example is that in the OT when a person murdered another person it was of a physical nature. In the NT if a person hated another it is murder in the heart, of a spiritual nature.

When in the NT did Jesus ever stone someone for hatred or lust (i.e. spiritual murder or adultery)?
---StrongAxe on 12/17/17


God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. His laws are the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, they never change.

The only difference between the OT (the old covenant) and the NT (the new covenant) is the OT was of a physical nature and the NT is of a spiritual nature. An example is that in the OT when a person murdered another person it was of a physical nature. In the NT if a person hated another it is murder in the heart, of a spiritual nature.
---Steveng on 12/17/17


Jude 1:7 - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

jude 1:8 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for as a example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire,

Revelations 3:3 - Remember therefore how received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief , and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee,

1 Thessalonians 5:3

{ example }
---RichardC on 12/16/17


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Jerry6593:

You wrote: Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Stop arguing apples vs. oranges. I did NOT diagree with you about that, but that is NOT the blog topic.
The topic is: Is there any difference in action and attitude when you read about the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament?

In the OT, God's prevailing attitude towards sin was judgment and punishment. In the NT, Jesus's prevailing attitude is, "Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more".
---StrongAxe on 12/16/17


God does not change his character, but he does change what he is doing. There is a time for judgment which will come, and there is a dispensation of Gods grace which is now.

Living in this mystery dispensation of grace when God is not pouring out his wrath has confused some people into thinking that God in Christ has changed his character and will never again judge the world.
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Eph 5:6
God
---michael_e on 12/16/17


ax:

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.



---Jerry6593 on 12/16/17


Jerry6593:

You wrote: The God of the OT is identical to the compassionate Jesus Christ of the NT.

The blog question is NOT about whether or not Jesus IS the God of the OT. It is about the ATTITUDE of God in the OT vs. the NT. When wronged, the law of Moses taught "an eye for an aye", while Jesus taught "turn the other cheek". These are very different ATTITUDES.
---StrongAxe on 12/15/17


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I agree with Cluny. The God of the OT is identical to the compassionate Jesus Christ of the NT. Compare Christ's own words on the subject:

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.



---Jerry6593 on 12/15/17


OT had much more emphasis on judgment, while NT had much more on redemption and forgiveness.

In OT, God struck people dead even for following wrong procedure while trying do the right thing (e.g. Uzzah for steadying the ark, Aaron's sons). The flood was overkill by wiping out most species for the sins of one - he could just have easily (say) have created a virus that targeted only humans.

In contrast, when confronted with an adulteress, rather than stoning her as OT law required, Jesus not only forgave her, but used the situation to prevent others from carrying out the mandated sentence as well. If Jesus had had the same judgmental mentality as God in the Old Testament, he would likely have been a Pharisee.
---StrongAxe on 12/14/17


No.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/14/17


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