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How Was Christianity Maintained

According to the Reformers, what was there before Martin Luther penned his 95 Theses? How was Christianity maintained from the first century?

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(Hebrews 10:16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them,

Samuel, John, Kathryn and StrongAxe
Why would God put his Law into our minds and write them on our hearts, if we are not under his Law?
---David on 1/24/18


David, please read Romans 5, which is a summary from Adam and Eve until today, and the different dispensations of accountability that brings us to TODAY, this DAY AFTER JESUS BIRTH DEATH AND RESURRECTION.

And also read Hebrews 4, how even under the Law, they failed to enter into the Promise, which was exclusively by FAITH. I'm sure they kept the LAW, but the law could not save them or justify them.....and they DIED IN THEIR SIN IN THE WILDERNESSES. Why...BECAUSE THEY LACKED FAITH.

I see so may today following this same path....when God has already shown us these truths, and examples. So man is without excuse here.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/18


Anonymous: I am not a Catholic myself, and I'm confused.//

Yes, but you are NOT putting down Catholics like Kathr.

//I see now what people mean about your cognitive skills.//

Now you are being mean and uncharitable. Why did you get personal? Would Jesus like you judging me? Matt 7:1

//Your comments made no sense.//

Because you DIDN'T you scroll down enough to read Kathr nasty's comments.

//Was that on purpose?//

Asking Kathr to stop making false comments about my religion isn't asking much.

I NEVER attack another person's faith pretending I am confused like Kathr.

//Why do you want to look like a stoner?---Anonymous

Now you just became a stoner!

Now can you apologize?
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/23/18


david ask, "Do you accept Pauls answer?"

This is a question you must demonstrate to us, but the real question is do you David understand what Paul is talking about vs 12-13 is right in the middle of his conversation...

Do you know what Paul is talking about here in Rom 2?
---john9346 on 1/23/18


david ask, "So what Law is Paul talking about?"

Paul answers your question see, vs 14-29.
---john9346 on 1/23/18




John
Now since we both know the Law of Moses was done away with, this can not be the Law Paul was referencing in (Romans 2: 12 & 13).

So what Law is Paul talking about?
---David on 1/23/18


Romans 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

David, it appears between Romans 2 and Romans 5. THERE WAS SO MUCH MORE PAUL LAID OUT......
One thing I know for sure is Romans 4...that absolutely FABULOUS Covenant called the EVERLASTING COVENANT, or Abrahamic Covenant, 430 years before the law ever came into effect, the VERY same one announced in Genesis 3:15....,called FAITH....read Hebrews 4 on FAITH.

You see, you just can't escape this FACT, no matter how you want to pick and choose scripture.

We are JUSTIFIED by His Blood and SAVED BY HIS LIFE. HIs Blood David...HIS WORK....not yours.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/18


Yes I accept Paul's answer.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 5:1,2 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Galatians 3:24,25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

We are justified by Faith. Those who have faith will do works and walk in love. Faith then-Born Again -then we walk in love doing works. That order.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/23/18


David, answer this question for me, how is a Christian justified? ---john9346 on 1/22/18

John
I will let the Bible answer that for you.
(Romans 2:12 & 13) For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law, For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Do you accept Pauls answer?
---David on 1/23/18


David, the NC, replaced the OC, becoming A PEOPLE of GOD. However CHRIST IN YOU, is the MYSTERY kept secret until Jesus rose from the dead. This MYSTERY we become a NEW CREATURE, a SON, joint HEIRS and HEIRS according to promise, belongs to Jesus Christ. Totally different than the promises promised under the NC. Also note the NC was announced in the OT therefore was NOT kept secret, and was openly shown and says nothing about CHRIST IN YOU, where we are CHANGED from Glory to Glory by the Spirit of the Lord.

The everlasting covenant was between Father the Word and the Holy Spirit before man was even created. We simply ENTER INTO this Covenant by faith...Hebrews 13:20-21 ..Romans 8:11-13 where we are made PERFECT IN CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/18




Reuben:

" So when did the "infallible" stop??"

When the canon closed.

"It tells us "If we confess our sins" Are you saying they taught that you go to Jesus only? That verse does not say that."

Sir, explain, who else but God alone can forgive sin??

"Bible Alone: Acts 15 disproves the doctrine of sola Scriptura."

Explain how a chapter of Scripture contradicts itself?? This is a Logical Fallacy...
---john9346 on 1/22/18


Reuben states, "Faith Alone: James 2:24 " We are justify by works and not by faith alone.""

Notice, you do not address the context that clearly states the differences between a dead and living faith...

Lk 15 regarding the prodigal son is a parable and it is descriptive not, "Prescriptive." its only a parable an illustration...

Reuben, your being Logically Inconsistent you don't believe in Sola Scriptura,yet, your trying to use it regarding OSAS...
So, i don't believe in pizza,
---john9346 on 1/22/18


david states, "I agree, but thats what both Catholic and Protestant doctrines do."

David, answer this question for me, how is a Christian justified?

Is it by Faith Alone or faith plus something else??
---john9346 on 1/22/18


StrongAxe, Kathryn and Samuel
We are not under the Law of Moses, but we are not under the Law of Christ.
Absolute Proof?

What do we call the Law given to Moses? Is it not called the Old Covenant?
What do we call the Law of Christ? Is it not called the New Covenant?
What is a Covenant?
An agreement, usually formal, between two or more persons to do or not do something specified.

Besides, God called the New Covenant, The Law, in (Hebrews 8:10)
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
---David on 1/23/18


OSAS use it as an excuse to do whatever they want, no matter how depraved, once they are saved, since it can never hurt them.///

See Matthew 7:21-23:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
---StrongAxe on 1/22/18

Just because some people have a problem with OSAS, doesn't mean it's not true. There is no such thing as being saved and lost and saved again. Hebrews 6 make that perfectly clear. And the Kingdom of heaven is the earthly Kingdom....the Kingdom of God is within. And the will of God regardless is that of obedience of faith not cheap grace. Just because some cheapen it DOES NOT MAKE OSAS A LIE.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/18


I wish I could post all of Hebrews 6 here, to the very last verse. Not only can you not get saved and lost and saved again, BUT those who are truly saved who have entered through the vail, have an ANCHOR of the soul, where we see, since God cannot lie, but promised OSAS.

But unfortunately many here don't understand the EVERLASTING Covenant, aka the Abrahamic Covenant, since most of you want to be under a works salvation, or whatever. Notice the PROMISE given to Abraham .....? Only Abrahams spiritual seed are heirs according to THIS PROMISE. The promise....OSAS.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/18


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Ruben:

You wrote: OSAS: Luke 15:11-32 in the parable of the prodigal son, we can leave home and die then return and be "Alive again"

This does not prove OSAS. The prodigal son was accepted BECAUSE he returned. If he had not returned, he would have come to a bad end, separated from his father. This is not OSAS. This is saved, lost, and then saved again.

The problem with OSAS is that many use it as an excuse to do whatever they want, no matter how depraved, once they are saved, since it can never hurt them.

See Matthew 7:21-23:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
---StrongAxe on 1/22/18


1 John 5: 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Now compare Acts 15:10 to the above verse. Also being given REST was because the LAW was grievous and burdensome

So just because you see the word commandments does not mean the LAW.

John also wrote Revelation, and uses commandments there too, which are not grievous. Staying faithful to Jesus Christ and sound doctrine IS keeping His commandments. Sound doctrine does NOT put believers back under the LAW.
---kathr4453 on 1/22/18


Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.......which was the LAW of Moses.

Here is a commandment David......the yoke of BONDAGE was the LAW. This is what those who came into Galatia were trying to do.circumcision was only part of it....and circumcision itself was not a yoke of bondage in the first place. These were Christian Jews who thought they were under the LAW under the NC, where the believed Gentiles were in submission to them.

The NEW CREATURES aka the NEW CREATIONS is above and FREE.....not free to sin either. But set free from sin, by being crucified with Christ. Galatians 2:20-21
---kathr4453 on 1/22/18


john9346* What they taught was "Infallible.",

So when did the "infallible" stop??

john9346*

It tells us "If we confess our sins" Are you saying they taught that you go to Jesus only? That verse does not say that.

john9346 *"The OAC did not also teach Bible Alone, faith alone , OSAS,"

False... please proove this assertion?

Bible Alone: Acts 15 disproves the doctrine of sola Scriptura.

Faith Alone: James 2:24 " We are justify by works and not by faith alone."

OSAS: Luke 15:11-32 in the parable of the prodigal son, we can leave home and die then return and be "Alive again"
---Ruben on 1/22/18


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David, the word "commandments or commandment" does not always mean the 10 commandments. We see in Ephesians and Colossians the law commandments in statutes and ordinances were also nailed to the cross...

Many NT commandments as 1 John show are done by FAITH, so we know it's not referring to the 10 commandments or the 600+ commandments aka LAW, because the LAW is not of faith.

Abraham also obeyed the commandments , yet we know there were no 10 commandments then. He simply obeyed Gods VOICE, one being to sacrifice Isaac....WHICH IS NOT A LAW, NOR WAS IT EVER ASKED OF ANOTHER. NOah also obeyed Gods voice...His Command to build an ark. Abel too OBEYED.
---kathr4453 on 1/22/18


David:

Jesus taught "His commandments". Moses taught "The Law".

Google: "37 Scriptures That Prove Christians Are Not Under The Law"

Just a few:

Acts 15:10: Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Romans 6:14: For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 2:16: Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law ... for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Also, Romans 3:20, 4:14-15, 7:1-6, Galatians 3:1-3,10-13, Ephesians 2:15, 1 Timothy 1:8-10, Hebrews 7:18-19, Hebrews 8:7-8,13, Hebrews 10:1.
---StrongAxe on 1/22/18


Christians are no longer under the law. ---StrongAxe on 1/21/18

(1 John 2:3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

StrongAxe
How can you keep his commandments, when you say we dont have any? Arent Gods commandments called the Law?

BTW, I dont use apostrophes in words like dont, because my I-Pad wont let me use apostrophes for some reason. We have a lot of smart folks here, can anyone tell me why?

(Revelation 14:12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Kathryn
These saints mentioned above, why would they keep the commandments if they were not under the Law?
---David on 1/22/18


David. Jesus established some rituals. Like Baptism. Others came about in history. Having a ritual unless it contradicts what the Bible says does not make any group to not follow the Bible. Only a ritual or doctrine that does not follow the Bible is wrong.

Being human we can be wrong. But not understanding or misunderstanding does not make a person lost. We are saved by grace through faith not by doctrine.

There are two principals all Christians will live by. They Love GOD. They love and act in love to others.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 1/21/18


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David:

You wrote: Now since you folks claim your not under the Law of God, as Paul claims he was, before he died to sin, how do you without Gods moral Law, die to sin?

You confuse the concept "we are no longer under the law" with the concept "we were never under the law".
Libertines were never under the law. Christians are no longer under the law. That is the difference.
---StrongAxe on 1/21/18


David, the LAW doesn't automatically crucify you with Christ. I'm afraid you are reading this wrong. We experience 2 deaths.....one we are born with....in Adam all die, regardless of the LAW, as Romans 5 clearly show...that from Adam to Moses , although sin was not imputed...DEATH WAS.

The second death is your choice....you can either die without Christ, called the second death...OR you can choose to die right here and now WITH CHRIST and be raised up a New Creature..... This death results in a spiritual Birth, called being born AGAIN. Born of ABOVE. The LAW doesn't do that...JESUS very death and resurrection DOES. THAT is why the Gospel is believing in Jesus death and resurrection....Romans 6 Galatians 2:20-21.
---kathr4453 on 1/21/18


To put Paul at odds with Jesus to its Logical Conclusion is putting Christ against himself...---john9346 on 1/20/18

I agree, but thats what both Catholic and Protestant doctrines do. Paul built on the Gospel of Christ, whereas both your doctrines circumvent Christs doctrine.

Both Your doctrines teach a believer is not under the Law. This is a fact. Isnt it also a fact, you must die to sin before you can live for Christ? Tell me, anyone of you, in (Romans 7: 7-12) doesnt Paul clearly say it was the Law which brought about his death to sin?

Now since you folks claim your not under the Law of God, as Paul claims he was, before he died to sin, how do you without Gods moral Law, die to sin?
---David on 1/21/18


James 2:10 - For whosoever shall keep the the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Romans 3:10 - It is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.
---RichardC on 1/20/18


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Strongaxe, I totally disagree with your assumption. The difference is prostitutes thieves etc KNEW they were sinners. The Pharisees thought they were sinless. I believe there is even a parable addressing this issue. But it in no way states God categorizes sin, or sinners. They were all sinners in Gods eyes.
---kathr4454 on 1/20/18


david states, "Though its Kinda hard to follow, when your doctrines teach you erroneously, following Christ is against the teachings of Paul."

False, it was Christ through Divine Revelation who taught Paul. To put Paul at odds with Jesus to its Logical Conclusion is putting Christ against himself...
---john9346 on 1/20/18


kathr4453:

Jesus certainly distinguished one kind of sin from another. He hung around with thieves, prostitutes, and even adulteresses without condemning them - yet was constantly condemning the hypocrisy of the Pharisees.
---StrongAxe on 1/20/18


Its very easy to fall prey to a man made religion, when you follow them blindly.

Both Catholic and Protestant religions are man made. Easy to prove, when all one needs to do is look at their rituals. I see no rituals in the Bible. I only see Christs doctrine, which when followed, brings a man closer to God as Christ promised.

Though its Kinda hard to follow, when your doctrines teach you erroneously, following Christ is against the teachings of Paul.
---David on 1/20/18


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Thanks Strongaxe for the definition RCC puts on their list of sins. All 66 Books define ONLY sin that God defines, and Jesus died for ONLY sin God defines, which is, everything our OLD MAN is..so when we DIE to sin, WE DIE with Christ...not some list we nail to Gods door that we are guilty of . And as a NEW CREATURE we can eat all the meat in the world EVEN PORK CHOPS, every day of the week.

If man does not understand SIN and their relation to SIN, how will they ever understand Jesus died for our SIN.....every last sin, which in Gods eyes is NOT categorized into groups of little sins vs great big felonies.

Again this is WHY the RCC is preaching a FALSE Gospel. And why some think they need to flirt with it is appalling.
---kathr4453 on 1/20/18


kathr4453:

Mortal vs. venial sins are the RCC sin equivalents of secular crimes - felonies vs. misdemeanors.

I had heard that there was one village in Italy that had the horrible "religious" tradition that the priest slept with every bride to be before marrying them and their husbands.

People who do things like this (or tell stories like "meat eaters in hell") fit Paul's scathing accusation in Romans 2:24 "For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through YOU, as it is written" (and the penalty for this in Matthew 18:6, Mark 9:42, and Luke 17:2).
---StrongAxe on 1/19/18


reuben,

First, thanks for clarification.

"Were the OAC infallible in their teaching?"

What they taught was "Infallible.", but they themselves were not "Infallible."

"How did the OAC establish the early christians about confessing their sins?"

John The Apostle tells you in 1 Jn 1:9.

"The OAC did not also teach Bible Alone, faith alone , OSAS,"

False... please proove this assertion?

---john9346 on 1/19/18


Reuben,

Explain to everyone, is the rapture a matter of faith and Practice for Christians?

Does one have to believe in the rapture to be save?
---john9346 on 1/19/18


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What is a Venial sin please? Is it something made up NOT in the Law, which points to sin. Or does Venial mean anything the POPE decides is sin, even if God doesn't ....

Actually Nicole, I have a very good friend who is Catholic who is very bitter because she was told her mother was in Hell because she ate meat on some specific Friday and didn't confess it or something like that. I do know there are many local priests who also MAKE UP junk as well. One such priest insisted he sleep with some bride to be, to purify her, before he would marry her and her husband to be.

Ok so no hell for meat eaters, HOWEVER, this poor very loyal Catholic still thinks her mother is in hell.
---kathr4453 on 1/19/18


Biblically, the concepts of mortal and venial sin present an unbiblical picture of how God views sin. The Bible states that God will be just and fair in His punishment of sin and that on the day of judgment some sin will merit greater punishment than others (Matthew 11:22, 24, Luke 10:12, 14). But the fact is that all sin will be punished by God. The Bible teaches that all of us sin (Romans 3:23) and that the just compensation for sin is eternal death (Romans 6:23). Over and against the concepts of mortal and venial sin, the Bible does not state that some sins are worthy of eternal death whereas others are not. All sins are mortal sins in that even one sin makes the offender worthy of eternal separation from God.
---kathr4453 on 1/19/18


Nicole Lacey, I am not a Catholic myself, and I'm confused. I would conclude only Catholics are not confused about their own doctrine, and those who are not Catholic would be confused by some of her teachings. I see now what people mean about your cognitive skills. Your comments made no sense. Was that on purpose? Why do you want to look like a stoner?
---Anonymous on 1/19/18


Hello Nicole. I once had a debate with a oneness Pentecostal to convince him the RCC is Christian.

Anyway I use the term Roman Catholic due to my background in History and that I am a little picky about terms. Which occasionally gets me in trouble with the wife. For instance there was a Universal catholic church until the Great Schism in 1054. The church was a combination of Orthodox and Roman Catholic.

We Seventh day Adventist don't drink Alcohol. I know many RCC who do.

Back when meat was banned on Fridays. I went to a Quinceanera There was still great and wonderful food.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/19/18


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Kathr, shame on you. Who do you think you are, a Moderator?

Eating meat on Fridays will not send someone to hell. That's a Venial Sin.

Besides remember Matt 7:1?

You don't know the situation. Some are dispensed from the rule due to health reason. And they don't have explain to a Priest either. It's between God and themselves.

But I have heard Baptist Pastor telling people they are going to hell for drinking alcohol. Explain that one.

//The No meat on Friday( no longer in Effect)//

Yes, still in Lent

//started way before the existance of America or USA.//

Because Jesus started the Catholic before He died 1700 years because America came into existence.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/19/18


Anyone besides Nicole please.
---kathr4453 on 1/19/18

I think all denominations function the same way, and I include Catholic and Orthodox as denominations (argue with me later).

The seat or governing body of the denomination determines the doctrine for the denomination, but individual churches have the right to apply or reject specific teaching. Although, if individual churches reject specific teaching they run the risk of losing their connection with the denomination, if the denomination continually vets its churches.

For example, my church is United Methodist. Recently, UMC rejected added the Nicene Creed to its denominational doctrine. However, my church recites the doctrine and uses it in the membership class.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/19/18


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: I don't care that your doctrine FORBIDS you to drink alcohol period.

How do you know whether or not kathr4453's doctrine forbids drinking alcohol? I don't recall her ever mentioning it. Wouldn't your making such unwarranted assumptions about what her church teaches be just as presumptuous and uninformed as her making unwarranted assumptions about what your church teaches?
---StrongAxe on 1/19/18


reuben,

First, thanks for clarification.

"Were the OAC infallible in their teaching?"

What they taught was "Infallible.", but they themselves were not "Infallible."

"How did the OAC establish the early christians about confessing their sins?"

John The Apostle tells you in 1 Jn 1:9.

"The OAC did not also teach Bible Alone, faith alone , OSAS,"

False... please proove this assertion?
---john9346 on 1/19/18


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Reuben,

Explain to everyone, is the rapture a matter of faith and Practice for Christians?

Does one have to believe in the rapture to be save?
---john9346 on 1/19/18


There have always been Jesus Christ's gentle and humble and obedient people. And we have had qualified leaders, according to the standards given by our Apostle Paul, in 1 Timothy 3:1-10.

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

These have been "examples" > people we can know personally so we can feed on their example in real life. We have not depended only on public show and say-so of ones we do not even know.
---Bill on 1/19/18


reuben,

Sir, not sure if your deliberately trying to twist my statements, but so the readers here aren't confuse here is my full statement:

the Original Ancient Christians of the church of Acts 2 proceeding to (Catholic and Orthodox Churches) prior to 1054 AD, did not teach or practice the followi

---john9346 on 1/18/18

No twisting at all. I read the list you had and just pick two of them. Wanted to know what the OAC taught about them that's all. Maybe this will help,

Were the OAC infallible in their teaching ?

How did the OAC establish the early christians about confessing their sins?

BTW- The OAC did not also teach Bible Alone, faith alone , OSAS, rapture.etc..etc..Just saying!
---Ruben on 1/19/18


The No meat on Friday( no longer in Effect) started way before the existance of America or USA....but continued in America, even though the Natives( that is those Catholics born in the USA) won over the ones who wanted the Pope in control. BUT when the POPE decided the rule was no longer in effect( while many were told their loved ones went to hell for eating meat on Friday....YES ) it discontinued here in America too.

So exactly HOW is the Catholic Church NOT controlled by the Vatacan, which is in ROME. Is it more a POLITICAL issue and not a doctrinal one?

Anyone besides Nicole please. She deflected because she doesn't know the answer either.
---kathr4453 on 1/19/18


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Kathr: Since you are NOT Catholic why are so confused?

Protestants are MORE confusing, but since I am NOT Protestants it doesn't concerns me.

I am NOT trying to EXPLAIN their doctrine.

Stop watching movies to figure out another person's doctrine or practice.
If you REALLY want to know about the Catholic Church pick up the CCC.

Why do you care about me not eating meat on Fridays during Lent?

I don't care that your doctrine FORBIDS you to drink alcohol period.

I can eat meat on Fridays for 46 Fridays but you still CAN'T drink ALCOHOL.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/18/18


The Movie " Gangs of New York" was about the gang wars between American Catholics and Those who still believed they were under the ROMAN Catholic Church. Even today, more predomitely in the NE you will find a different sort of Catholic than say here in Atlanta. However, the doctrine of the Catholic Church and practices ...say no meat on Friday rule, ....was still imposed by the Pope in Rome, ....not individual Catholic Churches in America.

So, I'm confused......are American Catholics totally severed from ANY AND ALL things the Roman Church believes? AND "Mass" is ONLY in the Catholic Church where "Catholic" here does NOT mean universal.
---kathr4453 on 1/18/18


reuben,

Sir, not sure if your deliberately trying to twist my statements, but so the readers here aren't confuse here is my full statement:

the Original Ancient Christians of the church of Acts 2 proceeding to (Catholic and Orthodox Churches) prior to 1054 AD, did not teach or practice the following:

Mary's perpetual virginity, immaculate conception, assumption, co-redemptrix, and mediatrix.

papal primacy and infallibility, the priesthood, purgatory, indulgences, confession, penance, the Eukarist, the mass, the veneration of icons and dead saints, and Sola Ekklesia.

This church was not the EOC, Melkite, nor the RCC...

---
---john9346 on 1/18/18


Meaning the Church of Acts 2 didn't teach Papal Infallibility and confession in a Roman Catholic Context...
---john9346 on 1/17/18

In what way did the church of Acts 2 teach about Infallibility and confession?
---Ruben on 1/18/18


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Samuel: My Father in law used to say. I am Roman Catholic not like these half way people.//

Good one. First time I heard that one. But he was living around too many Protestants.//

I also live in Texas. Many Hispanics say Roman Catholic. But it is not universal as you say.//

I see your point about SDA being catholic. Small 'c'. But you have to remember when there was only one Christianity thus it was called Catholic. Big 'C'.

Roman Catholics are indeed Christians. We disagree with the Theology.//

At least you acknowledge we are Christians unlike many on CN

But can you now call us by our real name? Catholic. Go the Vatican website if you don't believe me..
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/17/18


Reuben ask, "No, what do u mean that the church in acts did not teach infallibility,, confession?"

Meaning the Church of Acts 2 didn't teach Papal Infallibility and confession in a Roman Catholic Context...
---john9346 on 1/17/18


Meaning in a Roman Catholic Context.
---john9346 on 1/16/18

No, what do u mean that the church in acts did not teach infallibility,, confession?
---Ruben on 1/17/18


Meaning in a Roman Catholic Context.
---john9346 on 1/16/18


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john9346* the Original Ancient Christians of the church of Acts 2 did not teach or practice the following:

What do you mean about infallibility,, confession?
---Ruben on 1/16/18


samuelBB7 states, "Roman Catholics are indeed Christians. We disagree with the Theology."

Sir, this is absolutely false...

You should apologize for those reading here seeking to learn the truth...
---john9346 on 1/16/18


How was Christianity maintained?
If our body is our temple, logic dictates it has been maintained in the individual believer. Christ lives in the believer, not in some building we see as Holy.

In the Bible, folks met in their homes and I suspect that is how it has been maintained ever since.
---David on 1/16/18


Actually, there was a German version of the Bible pre-dating Luther's...
---Cluny on 1/13/18

But Luther's became the predominant version. Few know of the other versions, even fewer have the other versions.

We owe a debt of gratitude to people like Wycliff, Luther, Erasmus, Tyndale, Wojewodka, Van Liesvelt, and others who risked their lives to get the Bible into the hands of everyone in their native countries.

And people like Francois Du Toit for courage to translate the Bible in the face of criticism and calls of heresy.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/15/18


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My Father in law used to say. I am Roman Catholic not like these half way people.

We use Roman Catholic to differentiate between the church lead by the Bishop of Rome and those who are not under his leadership. I also live in Texas. Many Hispanics say Roman Catholic. But it is not universal as you say.

For instance to me the Seventh day Adventist church is catholic. Since we are of many nations and people throughout the world.

But we are not under the Bishop of Rome. Our High Priest is Jesus Christ.

Roman Catholics are indeed Christians. We disagree with the Theology.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/15/18


Nicole:

Ma'am, the real question is do you understand?

The American Catholics are clear that they are catholic, but not Roman Catholic.... They even list there differences with Rome.

"No, I have heard a Melkite say they are a Melkite maybe, or a Catholic, but NEVER A Roman Catholic."

You just prooved my point. Melkites are clear they're not "Roman." Catholic, that they are, "Catholic." so you see its not just a "Christian." thing...
---john9346 on 1/15/18


John: We state Roman Catholic because there are many denominations of catholic and not just Roman...//

And you are Protestant.

A Catholic doesn't say they are a Roman Catholic.

It is a Protestant thing.

//Like Catholic there are Roman, Melkite, American, etc.//

No, I have heard a Melkite say they are a Melkite maybe, or a Catholic, but NEVER A Roman Catholic.

No one says American Catholic who is under Pope Francis.

Now there is a Protestant group who are American Catholics, but they are NOT under Pope Francis.

Do you understand?
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/14/18


Nicole:

We state Roman Catholic because there are many denominations of catholic and not just Roman...

Like Catholic there are Roman, Melkite, American, etc.
---john9346 on 1/13/18


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\\Luther's greatest contribution was in translating the Bible into German, which allowed the individual German Believer to read the Bible for themselves. Many translations into native languages followed.\\

Actually, there was a German version of the Bible pre-dating Luther's, only it was translated from the Vulgate i/o the Greek and Hebrew.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/13/18


Samuel: We have always been Civil.//

You either haven't read all posts are wish to ignore some post.

Even my own posts are NOT CIVIL at times

//The Early church was catholic. Not Roman Catholic. I am sure you know that catholic means universal.//

As you know, only Protestants placed the word 'Roman' in front of Catholic.

Try this test:

Ask a known Catholic to you: what religion he or she is?

They will say 'I am Catholic'.

They NEVER say 'I am a Roman Catholic'.

Now go ask a Protestant who knows another person to be a Catholic:

They almost all the time say 'He is a Roman Catholic'.

Besides, as it is wrong to say American Catholic, you can't say Roman Catholic.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/13/18


the Original Ancient Christians of the church of Acts 2 proceeding to (Catholic and Orthodox Churches) prior to 1054 AD, did not teach or practice the following:

Mary's perpetual virginity, immaculate conception, assumption, co-redemptrix, and mediatrix.

papal primacy and infallibility, the priesthood, purgatory, indulgences, confession, penance, the Eukarist, the mass, the veneration of icons and dead saints, and Sola Ekklesia.

This church was not the EOC, Melkite, nor the RCC...
---john9346 on 1/13/18


what was there before Martin Luther penned his 95 Theses?
---Monk_Brendan on 1/11/18

A church (Body of Christ) who did not read the Bible, primarily because they could not read Latin, Greek, or Hebrew.

Luther's greatest contribution was in translating the Bible into German, which allowed the individual German Believer to read the Bible for themselves. Many translations into native languages followed.

We have seen the truth of this with many native peoples in the 20th century. Many of the natives believe in Jesus, but many more do when they can read the Bible in their own language.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/12/18


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Monk Brendan ask, "Stick to the question that I posted, How was Christianity maintained BEFORE the Reform?"

Sir, first, your making a lot of assertions...

Next, in order for the Melkite, rcc, EOC to be those churches it must be shown that those individuals believed, taught, and defended all of the dogmas of these "Churches."

Next, like Samuel alluded to over time coruption begin to creep in...
---john9346 on 1/12/18


Hello readers:

The following is Monk Brendan admitting the Original Ancient Christians didn't believe nor teach the Marian Dogmas:


"Mary was still alive at the time of Acts 2--so none of the definitions of what Christians are supposed to believe about Mary had been developed."
---Monk_Brendan on 4/13/16(Language of the Bible) Blog.
---john9346 on 1/12/18


\\To me as the church gained power the Gospel was held but the leaders started substituting traditions which often enriched the leaders and hid the Gospel.\\

Name one such tradition, Samuelbb7, along with the date of its introduction, and who did so.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/12/18


Samuelbb7 said, "But the Roman Catholic came much latter. To me as the church gained power the Gospel was held but the leaders started substituting traditions which often enriched the leaders and hid the Gospel."

Samuel, please list which traditions hid the Gospel and enriched the leaders? Because in 500 years, the Protestant churches have built up a plethora of man-made traditions, much more than the Catholic and Orthodox Churches have ever done.
---Monk_Brendan on 1/12/18


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John 9346 said, "Sir, with the utmost respect to you, I have done this on numerous blogs in a respectful, mature, honest, and challenging dialog/debate."

But that is not answering the question, is it? It is a deflection, the same type of thing that you accuse me of.

Stick to the question that I posted, How was Christianity maintained BEFORE the Reform?

I have been told numerous times that Imperial Rome hijacked it in the 4th Century, and that True Christianity disappeared. If Christianity disappeared then, how and when was it revived? Again, no protestant sources, as they are biased,.
---Monk_Brendan on 1/12/18


Dear Monk.

We have always been Civil. Now you stated the Catholic and Orthodox. Which is more than many Roman Catholics do.

I will disagree a little. The Early church was catholic. Not Roman Catholic. I am sure you know that catholic means universal.

But the Roman Catholic came much latter. To me as the church gained power the Gospel was held but the leaders started substituting traditions which often enriched the leaders and hid the Gospel. But the Christian core held. But as the leaders built themselves up they failed to keep the Gospel pure.

Which is why the Reformers tried to bring the church back to the Bible.

Sola scriptura is based on the words of the Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/12/18


Monk Brendan ask, "I defy anyone that can prove me wrong, using the Bible, and the Ancient Fathers."

Sir, with the utmost respect to you, I have done this on numerous blogs in a respectful, mature, honest, and challenging dialog/debate.

One noticeable blog, "7-ecumenical Councils."

Others are, "Was There a Bible Deletion." "Explain Bible History." "Strike Books from Canon."

From these blogs there were many Fundamental Questions you deflected and avoided and couldn't answer...

Brendan, I must say,however, they were some of the most Substantive Discussions I've had with anyone on here and thanks my friend...
---john9346 on 1/11/18


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