ChristiaNet MallWorld's Largest Christian MallChristian BlogsFree Bible QuizzesFree Ecards and Free Greeting CardsLoans, Debt, Business and Insurance Articles

Did Paul Replace Judas

Was Paul A Replacement for Judas?

Join Our Christian Friendship and Take The Who Is Paul Bible Quiz
 ---micha6489 on 1/15/18
     Helpful Blog Vote (3)

Post a New Blog



John,

John 3:14 is FREE WILL, WHOSOEVER WILL. No doubt about it. If your doctrine is true..again that verse that points to free will would not be there. If Israel was given free will, so are Gentiles.

Hebrews 3-4 also show free will. The came right to the promise land...THEY SAW the Land, it was Promised to them...God already GAVE them the land they saw with their own eyes...and still did not have FAITH to inherit the promise. Even after seeing AND EXPERIENCING all those miracles, and signs and wonders and the Glory of God in the desert....still did not have faith to inherit the promise. They did not ENTER IN= salvation. They TOO experienced the Holy Spirit yet RESISTED.
---kathr4453 on 1/30/18


Just to make a note on John's universal salvation nonsense here...today people go to HELL because they REJECTED the free Gift of salvation that only comes through Jesus Christ and His finished works upon the Cross.

EXAMPLE:
I may have enough bread to feed the whole world till kingdom comes, BUT the only requirement is YOU have to come get it. Now just as those who DID NOT look upon the serpent, there will be those who didn't come and get the free bread so they could live and not starve. Some OUT OF PRIDE will not come. Did I fail? NO! Your PRIDE failed you.
---kathr4453 on 1/30/18


To Recap:

1. Strongaxe and Kathr failed to show that Jn 3:1-16 teaches that sinners (Spiritual Dead Persons) can choose or reject Christ.

2. Strongaxe and Kath failed to demonstrate that sinners are (Spiritual Alive Person) who can choose whenScripture directly states they are dead...

3. Kathr prooved clearly she doesn't know what Calvinists believed.

4. Strongaxe demonstrated a confusion of thinking tthat Calvinism is fatalism that is diametrically opposed to each other.

5. Both Strongaxe and Kathr fail to understand that World and whosoever isn't talking about everybody when always used in Scripture...
---john9346 on 1/30/18


Kathr states, "The reference in the Bible to this serpent is in John 3:14. Jesus indicated that this bronze serpent was a foreshadowing of Him."

Kathr, you must show that this serpent was for everybody you cant because it was only to Israel an all ready "Chosen/elected." people...

Also, the serpent is all about Christ not sinners (Spiritual Dead Persons) choosing or rejecting Jesus...
---john9346 on 1/30/18


EXACTLY. AGAIN

The reference in the Bible to this serpent is in John 3:14. Jesus indicated that this bronze serpent was a foreshadowing of Him. The serpent, a symbol of sin and judgment, was lifted up from the earth and put on a tree, which was a symbol of a curse (Galatians 3:13). The serpent lifted up and cursed symbolized Jesus, who takes away sin from everyone who would look to Him in faith, just like the Israelites had to look to the upraised symbol in the wilderness. Paul is reminding the Galatians that Jesus became a curse for us, although He was blameless and sinlessthe spotless Lamb of God. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21).
---kathr4453 on 1/30/18




I hate to say it John, but your arguing and babbling on and on here only exposes your ignorance. You argued against truth John. I suggest YOU read Gotquestions

Another thing John I've noticed, You rely too much upon man made doctrines by only allowing these statements and confessions and TULIP books to completely sever your conscience not allowing the Holy Spirit to teach you. For you not to know that simple basic truth in John 3:14 is very sad.

But because of your false teachers, it's understandable they would bar you from such truths because it upsets their AppleCart.

John, AGAIN, we simply have NOTHING in common. You've had your 2-3 admonitions....so now I will walk away in REJECTION of your false teachings.
---kathr4453 on 1/30/18


Kathr states, "Verse 14 states it clearly. Don't you understand the issue and the application of the Bronze Serpent?"

Ma'am, vs 14 John tells us that the Bronze Serpent was a fulfillment of Jesus, its a fulfillment of a foretelling applied to Christ nothing about sinners who are Spiritually Dead choosing or rejecting Christ,furthermore, the Bronze Serpent was to Israel people who were all ready elected... Deut 7:6 Exo 19:4-5.

So again, where is John The Apostle teaching that Jesus taught him that sinners who are dead persons can choose or reject Christ??
---john9346 on 1/29/18


There are those who don't believe that will also have eternal life.
---Steveng on 1/29/18


Kathr states, "And WHOSOEVER and WORLD do not change its definition based on someone's false doctrine THEY determine."

So, allowing John The Apostle inspired of the Holy Spirit to explain his meaning is "False Doctrine?? wow

The Greek Word, "Kosmos." meaning world through out Scripture doesn't always mean everybody who will ever live...

If Jesus died for the sins of the entire world then the whole world would be save nobody today would be in Hell... Everybody would be in heaven...

If Jesus dide for everybody and they're people in Hell today, then his death was powerless and an Enormous failure...

Dear Readers, Jesus failed if Kathr and Strongaxe's Position is true...
---john9346 on 1/29/18


Where does it state from vs 1 to 16 that persons can choose or reject the Lord Jesus Christ??
---john9346 on 1/29/18

Verse 14 states it clearly. Don't you understand the issue and the application of the Bronze Serpent? WHOSOEVER looked up was healed. God didn't force anyone to look up, nor was healing applied before one, out of their own free will , looked up. Some did and some didn't .....and this verse is RIGHT before verse 16 PROVING FREE WILL.

So Just as Jesus is held up too....that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES will have everlasting life. Just as those ALSO who entered the Promise land.....FAITH FIRST...they didn't just wake up in the promise land.....they had to first BELIEVE Gods promise, and THEN actually cross over.
---kathr4453 on 1/29/18




two different contexts. Physically dead people cannot think and make choices. Physically living but spiritually dead people can.
---StrongAxe on 1/28/18

This is absolutely 100 % TRUE.

And WHOSOEVER and WORLD do not change its definition based on someone's false doctrine THEY determine. 1st John clearly state ...not only for ours( ours meaning the saved) but ALSO FOR THE SIN OF THE WHOLE WORLD.

And that does not mean UNIVERSAL salvation. It means the WAY to salvation is ONLY through Jesus Christ...only HE can Justify you by faith, and you are Justified by His Blood....and that blood APPLIES AND IS ACTIVATED to YOU once you put your faith in Jesus Christ. There's enough BLOOD folks....no limited supply.
---kathr4453 on 1/29/18


strongaxe states, "It's implied. People choose what they believe or don't. If one believes, it must necessarily be because he chose to do so."

Where is John implying that Jesus taught him in Jn 3 that persons can chooose or reject him??

"Of course "whosoever" refers to more than just Israel. It means ANYONE ANYWHERE can believe on Jesus and be saved."

Thank you now where is it implied from vs 1 to 16 that persons can choose or reject the Lord Jesus Christ??
---john9346 on 1/29/18


strongaxe states, "You are using the word "dead" in two different contexts."

Strongaxe, Scripture describe sinners state as Spiritually Dead persons "Nekros." in Greek. Paul applies the same usage of deadness to the Spiritual as in the Physically Dead

Ephesians 2:

1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,
5 even when we were dead [f]in our transgressions, made us alive together [g]with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the
---john9346 on 1/29/18


Kathr states, "Yet John gave me an opportunity to accept or reject a seat at the table ...
IF I WANTED IT.I guess that means salvation I CAN CHOOSE OR REJECT...HUMMM."

And where in verses 1-16 is John The Apostle inspired of the Holy Spirit stating that the Lord Jesus taught him that sinners (Spiritually Dead Persons) can either reject or accept the Lord Jesus??

Remember, Sinners are dead and dead men and women cant make choices??



So strongaxe and Kathr if I put a dead man in front of you both would you ask him if he wants chicken or pizza for dinner tonight??
---john9346 on 1/29/18


john9346:

Where is John The Apostle stating in context of chapter 3 that persons can choose or reject Christ??

It's implied. People choose what they believe or don't. If one believes, it must necessarily be because he chose to do so.

Of course "whosoever" refers to more than just Israel. It means ANYONE ANYWHERE can believe on Jesus and be saved.

Strongaxe, can a dead man make choices??

Of course not. This is why we must decide while we are still alive.

Remember, sinners are dead in their sins...

You are using the word "dead" in two different contexts. Physically dead people cannot think and make choices. Physically living but spiritually dead people can.
---StrongAxe on 1/28/18


John said:
Where is John The Apostle stating in context of chapter 3 that persons can choose or reject Christ?? Sir, have you read closely the conversation occurring in Jn 3:1-16?? ///

Yet John gave me an opportunity to accept or reject a seat at the table ...
IF I WANTED IT.I guess that means salvation I CAN CHOOSE OR REJECT...HUMMM.

So again, John either doesn't understand his own false doctrine or is confused in some way.

I don't need a piece of paper with some London confession written on it to KNOW what I believe.

I've been seated with Christ in heavenly places IN CHRIST for nearly 40 years. And I know EXACTLY how I got here. and it ain't through the false doctrine of Calvinism.
---kathr4453 on 1/29/18


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Marriage


strongaxe states, "Not everyone is saved - just those who choose to believe in Jesus.

Where is John The Apostle stating in context of chapter 3 that persons can choose or reject Christ?? Sir, have you read closely the conversation occurring in Jn 3:1-16??

You must have overlooked my response to you regarding "Whosoever."

Here it is again, "2. The word, "World." and "Whosoever." in Jn 3:16 in context isreferencing other people than just Israel please note the conversation that in vs 1."

Strongaxe, can a dead man make choices??

Remember, sinners are dead in their sins...
---john9346 on 1/28/18


Matthias replaced Judas
Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots, and the lot fell upon Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Twelve apostles were needed.
Luke 22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
---michael_e on 1/28/18


john9346:

You wrote: To taking your position to its Logical Conclusion Jesus died for everybody so everybody on the earth today is saved.

No, I didn't say that, and John 3:16 didn't say that. You overlooked the whosoever believeth part, despite the fact that I emphasized it in bold face. Not everyone is saved - just those who choose to believe in Jesus. However, the "whosoever" means that EVERYONE is afforded that opportunity. Some avail themselves of it, but many don't.
---StrongAxe on 1/28/18


steveng states, "Once saved, always saved is a false doctrine."

Its obvious you haven't read Rom 8:35-39, Jn 10:26-30, and Jn 6:37-45...

No one alive today can hold the Office of apostle the qualifications are Acts 1:21-25.
---john9346 on 1/28/18


Read These Insightful Articles About Debt Consolidation


strongaxe:

Note:

1. The word, "World." "Kosmos." in Greek doesn't always mean everybody who would ever live.

2. The word, "World." and "Whosoever." in Jn 3:16 in context isreferencing other people than just Israel please note the conversation that in vs 1.

3. To taking your position to its Logical Conclusion Jesus died for everybody so everybody on the earth today is saved. Think about it, there are people in Hell right now how can they be save... if your save you don't go to Hell unless Jesus didn't die for everybody...

1.
---john9346 on 1/28/18


strongaxe:

"No. TULIP implies that NOTHING you do can affect your salvation,"

False, and again your asserting fatalism which is not, "Calvinism." Sir, Do you understand what the T teaches in the TULIP??


"Whereas the Bible says otherwise - it exhorts you to believe, and to CHOOSE to follow Jesus."

False, Scripture no where teaches that sinners in their "Deprave State." can choose God.

Strongaxe, your logical tell me, can a dead man make choices sir??

"How can our behavior change God's choice that was made before we were even born?"

Answer sin...
---john9346 on 1/28/18


Kathr:

"John, I believe anyone who knows about Calvinism knows that there are so many versions that even Calvinists don't agree with one another."

False, cite chapter and paragraph from the confessions...


"I know what Calvinism believes...I went to a Calvinist Church for 3 years."

If you know what we believe then it should be easy for you to answer my question to you, """Actually I'm not convinced John understands Calvinism ....if he did, he would know his invitation above is totally against the doctrine.""

Again, show to everyone here from the London Baptist Confession of 1689 how I do not understand "Calvinism."
---john9346 on 1/28/18


Kathr said, "Also John, if you don't believe me about the racism, just look up Bob Jones University, a Calvinist University who lost its tax status because of racism. The Church I went to they were ALL BOB JONES graduates."

When I went to a Messianic Synagogue for the first time, the speaker got up to speak in support of abortion and a lot of Jewish teaching of being the only chosen has given way to racism like Hebrew Israelites and Brittish Israelism...

My pointhere is a misrepresentation of a doctrine doesn't mean whether a doctrine is either true or false.

Kathr, just admit you don't no...
---john9346 on 1/28/18


Send a Free Musical Ecards Ecard


Once saved, always saved is a false doctrine. Many verses warn christians about falling away from the faith (one must have faith to begin with in order to fall away).

Gospel? The coming Kingdom of God.

The gospel of Jesus? The coming Kingdom of God.

The gospel of _______? The coming Kingdom of God.

The bible also shows us how to get there: love, as in the verb form.

There was no replacement for Judas. Anyone can become an apostle (one sent on a mission) even the christians of today. 1 Corinthians 12:28, Ephesians 4:11

Qualifications? One must believe with all his mind, body and soul.

Why do christians make living a christian lifestyle so complicated?
---Steveng on 1/28/18


john9346:

You wrote: And you know this how?" chapter and verse?"

The most popular verse in the New Testament: John 3:16:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So, its a Bad Consequence for God to do as he pleases sir really??

No. TULIP implies that NOTHING you do can affect your salvation, whereas the Bible says otherwise - it exhorts you to believe, and to CHOOSE to follow Jesus.

Behavior determines the "Elect." from the Non-elect."

How can our behavior change God's choice that was made before we were even born?
---StrongAxe on 1/28/18


John, I believe anyone who knows about Calvinism knows that there are so many versions that even Calvinists don't agree with one another.

I know what Calvinism believes...I went to a Calvinist Church for 3 years. We just never clicked...especially when in 1983 we were told from the pulpit that all those dying from a drought in Africa DESERVED TO DIE because they were not Gods elect, and because 4000 years ago they rejected God. so I nicely went to the pastor after church and told him that 4000 years ago his heathen gentile ancestors ALSO rejected God...so why is he one of the elect? His eyes got big ...but he couldn't answer my question. The church was also racist, and that comment made that clear as well.
---kathr4453 on 1/28/18


Also John, if you don't believe me about the racism, just look up Bob Jones University, a Calvinist University who lost its tax status because of racism. The Church I went to they were ALL BOB JONES graduates.

Those years were very educational in so many ways. I never could understand why they omitted Romans 6-8 from any and all teachings. Every time whether Sunday school or Church we would study Romans....those chapters were always jumped over. I think also teaching about the Holy Spirit was frightening to them....and NEVER did anyone preach CHRIST IN YOU.

Yes, the Lord through their lies taught me truth...the Lord does work in mysterious ways.
---kathr4453 on 1/28/18


Read These Insightful Articles About Refinancing


strongaxe states, "Jesus died for WHOSEOVER would believe on him - not just a few people God cherry-picked beforehand."

And you know this how?" chapter and verse?"

strongaxe states, "The bad consequence of TULIP is God will save you or not, totally at his own whim,"

So, its a Bad Consequence for God to do as he pleases sir really??

"and nothing you do can affect that, either way."

False, strongaxe yes or no aren't all of mankind sinners??
---john9346 on 1/27/18


strongaxe:

"So why should it matter whether you live the life of a righteous saint or a depraved sinner, if you are already going to be saved (or not) regardless of what you do? Why preach the Gospel, if God will already save those whom he chooses, and hearing the gospel (or not) has no effect on that choice?

couple things:

1. Your asserting fatalism that is not, "Calvinism."

2. Behavior determines the "Elect." from the Non-elect."

3. All of mankind are sinners

4. We're all accountable for our sins.

5. Mankind has freewill according to his nature whether saint or sinner...,however, a sinner can not choose beyond his freewill.
---john9346 on 1/27/18


kathr said, "John, we've been over this many times. "The Confessions" were written by man, they are not the WORD OF GOD."

Ma'am, i'm actually asking you to be responsible for your claim when you stated, ""Actually I'm not convinced John understands Calvinism ....if he did, he would know his invitation above is totally against the doctrine.""

So now i'm asking you again to please show to everyone here from the London Baptist Confession of 1689 how I do not understand "Calvinism."

BTW,the Church Fathers and the councils also taught what is commonly known as Calvinism 1 council the Council of Orange...
---john9346 on 1/27/18


samuelBB7:

"T Total Depravity. Humans are degenerate they have no free will."

Correction, humans are sinners who hate God and do not love him...

"U Unconditional Election. GOD chooses who he saves. He only loves the saved."

Correction, God chooses the sinner because the sinner has no ability to come to him and love him.

"L Limited atonement. Jesus only died for the ones he picked to be saved."

amen yes...

"I Irresistible Grace. When GOD chooses to save you it is because of his sovereign will. You have no choice in the Matter."

amen yes.. i'd add because your a sinner who hates God and do not love him...
---john9346 on 1/27/18


Read These Insightful Articles About Franchises


"P Persistence of the Saints. Once Saved always saved."

Yes...

Samuel, answer this can a dead person make a choice?? Who does Jesus offer grace to people who hate him or love him??
---john9346 on 1/27/18


Joel 2:32 - And it shall come to past Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: For in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance , As the Lord said, And in the Remnant whom the Lord shall Call,

( Remnant : A small remaining quantity of something )
---RichardC on 1/27/18


john9346:

Jesus died for WHOSEOVER would believe on him - not just a few people God cherry-picked beforehand.

The bad consequence of TULIP is God will save you or not, totally at his own whim, and nothing you do can affect that, either way. So why should it matter whether you live the life of a righteous saint or a depraved sinner, if you are already going to be saved (or not) regardless of what you do? Why preach the Gospel, if God will already save those whom he chooses, and hearing the gospel (or not) has no effect on that choice?

The obvious choice is "eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we may die - and only then will we see whether God has deigned to write our names in the Book of Life."
---StrongAxe on 1/26/18


John, we've been over this many times. "The Confessions" were written by man, they are not the WORD OF GOD.

When will you get that through your head....never I suppose. Not gonna argue here. Calvin doctrine is false doctrine, believing in infant baptism for one, and murdered annabaptists who believed in BELIEVERS BAPTISM. That's just for starters. Samuel posted the other false gospel tulip thingies....NOT BACKED UP BY SCRIPTURE.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/18


Read These Insightful Articles About Lead Generation


Calvinism is.

T Total Depravity. Humans are degenerate they have no free will.
U Unconditional Election. GOD chooses who he saves. He only loves the saved.

L Limited atonement. Jesus only died for the ones he picked to be saved.

I Irresistible Grace. When GOD chooses to save you it is because of his sovereign will. You have no choice in the Matter.

P Persistence of the Saints. Once Saved always saved. Now Calvin and early Calvinist taught that the Saved will live for Jesus because they are saved. That is no longer the common view.

The Gospel is Jesus died and rose again to save us from sin. By paying the penalty for our sin and offering us Grace. I Corinthians 15

They are not the same thing.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/26/18


strongaxe states, "but "Babar is an animal" does not imply "Babar is a dog". While one can say "Calvinism is the Gospel", the reverse, "The Gospel is Calvinism" is not necessarily true, and that is what "The entire Bible testifies to Calvinism" implies. It sounds almost cultic."

Strongaxe, first, what is your definition of, "Cultic?"

Next, Do you know why Jesus came? Who did Jesus die for? What did he say he would do for those he died for?

Sir, if you understand the answer to these question this is the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ...
---john9346 on 1/26/18


Hello Readers,

Didn't I tell you when ever Kathr is challenged the Ad Hominem start :-)

Ad Hominems means the person cant defend their position.

So again Kathr stated that I don't understand Calvinism, but she cant show from our confessions where i'm wrong lol

I even gave one of our confession

Kathr, you'll help the readers by addressing Rom 8:29-30, Jn 6:37-45, and Jn 17:1-9...

Lets have a mature dialog on these Scriptures...
---john9346 on 1/26/18


john9346:

"To be" may be reflexive in mathematics, but it is not usually so in English. If one says "dogs are animals", "Spot is a dog" implies "Spot is an animal", but "Babar is an animal" does not imply "Babar is a dog". While one can say "Calvinism is the Gospel", the reverse, "The Gospel is Calvinism" is not necessarily true, and that is what "The entire Bible testifies to Calvinism" implies. It sounds almost cultic.

Its just like you and Jerry when he always brings up the Sabbath in the discussion even when it has nothing to do with the ttopic at hand...

I understand.
---StrongAxe on 1/26/18


Read These Insightful Articles About Mortgages


Gosh 3 posts in a row and still has nothing to say.

What a waste of time and space.

John, please don't put your faith in the wisdom of man, but put it in the Power of God. You poor thing always saying this person or that person..or even Calvin himself, that your faith is in....mere man. Mans doctrines, mans words and thoughts....are so important to you...not to me.

Jesus Christ is made unto me WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE OF HIM. I have Jesus Christ.....I have Christ IN ME..who came to live IN ME after I believed..THEN too I was sealed with the Holy Spirit AFTER I BELIEVED, just as Ephesians THE WORD OF GOD clearly states.

I don't care how your false teachers contradict scripture.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/18


John, I'm sure the POPE, or at least one of them said....WATER BAPTISM OF INFANTS WAS THE GOSPEL.

What a rediculous answer John...I don't see Charles Spurgeon's name even mentioned in scripture where GOD SAYS...This is Charles Spurgeon...LISTEN TO HIM.

Too funny. And if God wanted Calvin or Spurgeon as an APOSTLE to clearly define Calvinism, and even call it Calvinism, then POO POO on Gods word totally ripping 1 Cor 3 and 4 right out of the Bible and spitting on it.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/18


strongaxe states, "That's odd. I thought the entire Bible testified to the gospel of Jesus Christ."

Sir, like Charles Spurgeon once said, "Calvinism Is The Gospel."...

Strongaxe, what I was saying to Kathr is everytime she responds to me she brings up Calvinism even when the topic is not addressing it.

I challenge you read my postings and you'll see hardly ever do I bring up Calvinism...

Its just like you and Jerry when he always brings up the Sabbath in the discussion even when it has nothing to do with the ttopic at hand...

Do you understand?
---john9346 on 1/25/18


Kathr said, "If you paid attention to anything I've posted, you would have been given the reasons why....which obviously you haven't been able to grasp."

Ma'am, respectfully,

i'm only obliged to listen to those with knowledge... You do not know what Calvinist believe you just make it up as you go... Instead of learning you continue on in ignorance and prejudice with an ax to grind.

When I have challenged you from the "Scriptures." regarding Calvinism, all you could do is resort to, "Ad Hominem Attacks."...

BTW, the church is "Spiritual Israel."...
---john9346 on 1/25/18


Read These Insightful Articles About Personal Loans


Kathr said, "Actually I'm not convinced John understands Calvinism ....if he did, he would know his invitation above is totally against the doctrine."

Kathr, Please provide chapter and the paragraph where this is false from our "Confessions?"

To make it simple show where this is false in the London Baptist Confession of 1689?

Readers pay attention to observe Kathr's Response to my question...
---john9346 on 1/25/18


If you want to become one of us we still have a chair left for you at the table lol
---john9346 on 1/25/18

Actually I'm not convinced John understands Calvinism ....if he did, he would know his invitation above is totally against the doctrine. It has nothing to do with. " what I want". ...inviting FREE WILL HERE, ..Calvinism teaches it has nothing to do with what I want, but what God wants....and supposedly there are trillions of souls He never wanted. So tell me John....are you God now electing me? Is my FREE WILL active here....I can want or not want?
Is this a new revised Calvinism?
---kathr4453 on 1/25/18


john9346:

You wrote: Actually, The entire bible testifies to the "Blessed Doctrines of Calvinism."

That's odd. I thought the entire Bible testified to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Kathr, tell me, why are you so obsess with Calvinism??

When you say the entire Bible testifies to Calvinism, it seems like YOU are so obsessed with it that you are making it seem more important than Jesus. Even though this may not be the case, the way you just said it makes it seem so, in the same way that the RCC's many "Our Lady of This" and "Our Lady of That" churches make it seem like they revere Mary over Jesus, despite the fact that they say that they don't.
---StrongAxe on 1/25/18


John, thanks but no thanks. I don't believe in Calvinism. It's a horrible false doctrine, and is totally shown to be false by showing the Abrahamic Covenant. Also Calvinists also believe the Church is Israel. But here I agree with Michael_e...that no scripture validates a SPIRITUAL Israel. If you paid attention to anything I've posted, you would have been given the reasons why....which obviously you haven't been able to grasp. The Israel of GOD, are those who brought in ANOTHER GOSPEL to Galatia, which Paul also explains is not the Gospel according to the Mystery. He does address them, because one day their promises will come to pass..but clearly makes a distinction by stating AND the Israel of God.....AND means in addition to.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/18


Read These Insightful Articles About Auto Insurance


Kathr states, "Many use the bolded part below to prove Calvinism......WRONG."

Actually, The entire bible testifies to the "Blessed Doctrines of Calvinism." There are some chapters and verses that are more clear than other, but the conclusion is always in full agreement...

Kathr, tell me, why are you so obsess with Calvinism??

If you want to become one of us we still have a chair left for you at the table lol
---john9346 on 1/25/18


Here Paul testifies about his Acts 9 experience. Many use the bolded part below to prove Calvinism......WRONG. Paul was saved in acts 9...and HIS SON was THEN IN HIM, not before his salvation. What Paul is saying to the Galatians is God was revealing THE MYSTERY GOSPEL Christ in you, from the very moment Paul was saved.
Galatians 1:15-17

15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen, immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me, but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/18


Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

I believe Paul was preaching the Correct gospel here...at least I would hope by Acts 19.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/18


//Paul did see the Resurrected Christ.//
Of course he did (Acts 9)
//Paul met the qualification of being appointed and ordained...//
Of course he did, he was appointed a Apostle to gentiles.
I wasn't ignoring, Peter had already disqualified Paul as the 12th .
---michael_e on 1/24/18


Read These Insightful Articles About Holidays


What does "chosen outside of Israel" mean exactly? Paul was an Israelite , of the tribe of Benjamin. To me...to say someone is outside of Israel would mean a Gentile. That's not the case.

The Promise of the Holy Spirit was promised to Gentiles as Paul explains in Galatians under the Abrahamic Covenant. The very same Holy Spirit that came upon Cornelius , The Apostles and those in the upper room and those 3000 plus Jews SAVED on the day of Pentecost.

John's baptism had no HOLY SPIRIT. The CHURCH absolutely does. And the NC Spirit put in people is never stated as "Jesus Baptism" with the Holy Spirit and fire.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/18


Michael_e:

If you deny that Paul is who he said he was an apostle, then how do you know Moses wrote the Torah, how do you know Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Ezekiel were prophets??

Explain what criteria do you use to determine that any of the prophets were what they said they were??
---john9346 on 1/24/18


Peter did not baptize with John's baptism. And right from Acts 1:5, the Apostles were baptized with JESUS not John's baptism.


Acts 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. 15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. 16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, what was I, that I could withstand God? 18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance to salvation.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/18


The idea that Paul preached a different Gospel than Peter or the other Apostles is not found in scripture. It took the experience with Cornelis ( a GENTILE FAMILY) and family for Peter to REMEMBER what Jesus already told him. This same Gospel Paul gave to those he came across, who said they ONLY heard of John's baptism I believe in Acts 10....,where Paul explained to them the Gospel more fully.....and they too then received the Holy Spirit...which first they said they heard nothing about a Holy Spirit.

It's the very SAME GOSPEL michael_e..that the other Apostles preached.

Please stop making Paul look like a Jospeh Smith.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/18


Read These Insightful Articles About Health Insurance


Michael_e:

1. "Acts 9. Was Paul chosen outside of Israel? Yes or No?"
yes

2. "Acts 1:21. Did Paul accompany the disciples during Jesus earthly ministry? Yes or No?"
no

3. "Acts 1:22 Did Paul follow Jesus and the disciples in John"s baptism ministry? Yes or No?"
no

4. "Acts 1:22. Did Paul witness the ascension of Jesus? Yes or No?"

Notice, you skipped the resurrection in this question... Paul did see the Resurrected Christ.

I also noticed you stopped at 23 ignoring the qualification in vs 24 of being chosen of the Lord... Paul met the qualification of being appointed and ordained...

Yes, Paul is mentioned in Acts...
---john9346 on 1/23/18


Questions for you.
1. Acts 9. Was Paul chosen outside of Israel? Yes or No?
2. Acts 1:21. Did Paul accompany the disciples during Jesus earthly ministry? Yes or No?
3. Acts 1:22 Did Paul follow Jesus and the disciples in John"s baptism ministry? Yes or No?
4. Acts 1:22. Did Paul witness the ascension of Jesus? Yes or No?
5. Acts 1:23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
Is Paul even mentioned in Acts !? Yes or No?
---michael_e on 1/23/18


Michael_e:

Sir, you answered no to the 3 questions, but Luke and Paul inspired of the Holy Spirit contradicts you...

1. The Holy Spirit through Luke states that Paul did witness the "Resurrected Christ." see, Acts 9.

2. The Holy Spirit through Paul states that the Lord Jesus ordained and chose Paul Gal 1:1, 2 Tim 1:10-11.

3. The Holy Spirit states that the Lord Jesus taught Paul Gal 1:11-12,

These actions are in full agreement with Acts 1:21-25 Qualifications...
---john9346 on 1/22/18


Michael_e states, "What can be known is that Paul, chosen outside of Israel, did not meet any of these qualifications."

False,

1. Paul did witness the Resurrected Christ see Acts 9.

2. The Lord Jesus appointed and ordain Paul see, Gal 1:1, Acts 9, and 2 Tim 1:10-11.

3. The Lord Jesus himself taught Paul to follow him again see Gal 1:11-12.

BTW, Peter never mentioned "Ethnicity." as an Apostolic Qualification in Acts 1:21-25...
---john9346 on 1/22/18


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Dating


I believe this says it all.....Paul was called to be an Apostle by the WILL OF GOD, not man, nor lots....preached the same Gospel all the other Apostles preached...

Romans 1:1-5

1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5 By whom WE have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
---kathr4453 on 1/22/18


Paul was an Apostle. But Judas was gone. The Bible does not say that he replaced Judas. So we cannot say that he did.

A person can say they consider him a replacement. That is certainly a point that can be considered. But it is not provable.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/21/18


According to Acts 1:21-25
1. No
2. No
3. No
Acts 1 was dealing with the twelve tribes of Israel under Law.
Peter gives three qualifications determining the eligibility for the position.
They would:
1. Have accompanied the disciples during Jesus ministry while on earth
2. Have followed Jesus and the disciples in Johns baptismal ministry
3. Have witnessed the ascension of Jesus
The exact number of people that fit these three requirements is unknown, but the disciples appointed two who obviously passed the tests Barsabas and Matthias. What can be known is that Paul, chosen outside of Israel, did not meet any of these qualifications.
---michael_e on 1/21/18


Michael_e:

3. According to Acts 1:21-25 did not the Lord Jesus himself teach Paul yes or no??
---john9346 on 1/20/18


Read These Insightful Articles About Health Treatments


david states, "Though its Kinda hard to follow, when your doctrines teach you erroneously, following Christ is against the teachings of Paul."

False, it was Christ through Divine Revelation who taught Paul. To put Paul at odds with Jesus to its Logical Conclusion is putting Christ against himself...
---john9346 on 1/20/18


Michael_e:

questions:

1. According to Acts 1:21-25 did Paul witness the Resurrected Christ yes or no??

2. According to Acts 1:24 was Paul ordained and appointed by the Lord Jesus yes or no??
---john9346 on 1/20/18


//So Paul met the 3 qualifications of holding the Office of Apostle//
Paul didn't qualify to be one of the 12. Where do you suppose Paul was during the ascension?
Acts 1:21,22
Wherefore of these men which have companied with us(Paul was not one of these men) all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
Paul didn't walk with Jesus during his earthly ministry
from the time of John until His ascension.
He was not a follower of Christs' earthly as we see in Acts 9
---michael_e on 1/20/18


Michael_e states, "Finally, Paul in no way participated in the witness of Jesus resurrection or ascension as he first saw the resurrected Christ last of all after he appeared to the apostles.(1 Cor 15:8)"

Actually, this is 1 of the Apostolic Qualification in that Paul witnessed the Resurrected Lord Jesus Christ see, Acts 9, Acts 1:21-25...

Next, Paul was ordained and appointed by the Lord Jesus see, Gal 1:1, 2 Tim 1:10-11.

So Paul met the 3 qualifications of holding the Office of Apostle according to Acts 1:21-25...
---john9346 on 1/20/18


Read These Insightful Articles About Affiliate Program


Paul didn't accompany the disciples during Jesus ministry while on earth
Paul didn't follow Jesus and the disciples in Johns baptismal ministry
Paul didn't witness the resurrection and ascension of Jesus
It's obvious Paul didn't accompany the disciples throughout Jesus ministry, if he had it would have been as a persecutor.
Nor did Paul subscribe to the ministry of John the Baptist and his baptism. (Matt 3:7).
Finally, Paul in no way participated in the witness of Jesus resurrection or ascension as he first saw the resurrected Christ last of all after he appeared to the apostles.(1 Cor 15:8)
---michael_e on 1/20/18


Michael_e states, "Paul, on the other hand, did not meet any of the qualifications of being numbered with the eleven."

This is false the Apostolic Qualification laid out in Acts 1:21-25 Paul did meet...
---john9346 on 1/19/18


Some seem to think Peter was simply holding a man made election, but
Peter had authority from Christ to appoint the twelfth apostle. He ordained Matthias, because he met the qualifications and was chosen through prayer and the lots (Acts 1:24-26).

Paul, on the other hand, did not meet any of the qualifications of being numbered with the eleven. Furthermore, at the time of the Pentecostal appointment, Paul, who was then called Saul, was among those persecuting the followers of Jesus!
---michael_e on 1/19/18


No. Paul was a special Apostle set apart by Jesus on the Road to Damascus.

The words of Paul and Jesus agree. But some people pick small parts of the words of Paul and make it sound like Paul and Jesus don't agree.

2Pe 3:15-17
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you,

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. ...
---Samuelbb7 on 1/19/18


Read These Insightful Articles About Abortion Facts


Acts 1:12-26 is fairly clear that Matthias was specifically chosen to replace Judas.
Acts 9 mentions Paul's conversion, but doesn't mention the word Apostle, nor Judas, nor replacement.

There are some who believe the Apostles chose Matthias and God chose Paul, and God's choice supercedes theirs, but there is nothing in Paul's conversion story to suggest he was chosen as a replacement for Judas. This theory is just creating a theological position out of thin air based on no evidence.
---StrongAxe on 1/19/18


Hi, Micha (c: God bless you (c:

In the book of Acts, in chapter one, you can see who was the replacement for the Judas who betrayed Jesus.

So, Paul was not the replacement for Judas. Acts chapter nine tells us about Paul becoming an apostle. But Jesus chose Paul to minister the Gospel to us Gentiles (Galatians 2:7-10). This was after they replaced Judas, so they already had twelve apostles.

Paul is number thirteen (c: So, we can see why maybe Satan hates the number thirteen.
---Bill on 1/19/18


Paul didn't replace either one of the Judas'. He was never intended to be a replacement. He had his own ministerial duties he fulufilled.
---Holly on 1/18/18


Copyright© 2017 ChristiaNet®. All Rights Reserved.