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Can Criminals Change With God

Could it be possible that a strait up criminal who has been a known criminal ages or decades can he or she find solace in God? A lot times people do not believe they can change.

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After Jesus died, it looks as though Joseph of Arimathea was concerned about getting Jesus Christ's body so he could bury Him. It does not say anyone asked for or got the cross or part of it.

And Mary Magdalene seems to me like she was mainly attentive to seeing where they put the body of Jesus. The attention was to Jesus, mainly, it seems to me, not to the cross or pieces of it.

So-o . . . where is our attention now?
---Bill on 3/15/18


Legends are not proof. The story is a legend of Helena finding three crosses ...(no other crosses were found) 300 years after Jesus crucifixion, and walla, it was concluded these MUST be the three Jesus's and the other two crucified next to him. You would think they were the ONLY ones ever crucified. WRONG. So then to distinguish which of the three was Jesus's, they were laid over a dead body.... When the third one was laid over the dead body and that body came alive...it was then concluded...yep....this is Jesus Cross. That's only one of the legends. Even the legend has different legends.

Really Cluny, this is YOUR PROOF?

And now with so many pieces that would build Noah's ark.....why should it not ALL be a lie?
---kathr4453 on 3/16/18


LEGENDS and various legends surrounding this legend is not PROOF. Legends are NOT 100% pure unadulterated FACTS.

And how much money DID the RCC make off of the poor peasants just to be able to view this hoax? All these things were used to fleece the poor and ignorant, WHY, because back then, they were not allowed to read scripture, or question these lies. For all we know ...people may have believed Jesus and the other two were the ONLY people ever crucified.

it's called sorcery ....claiming a piece of wood brought someone back to life. But hay..the RCC made a killing...and people still wanna believe....and when the Beast comes with false signs and wonders, will believe that too.....because you all keep perpetuating these LIES.
---kath4454 on 3/16/18


\\If one were to research this history, there's no real evidence that she found the TRUE CROSS.\\

Where is the real evidence that you have that St. Helena did NOT find the True Cross?

Tell us in detail, please.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/15/18


So true Linda. If one were to research this history, there's no real evidence that she found the TRUE CROSS. Just because she said she did does not make it so. Story goes it's the ONLY three crosses found.. Claiming one was Jesus, and the other was the other two crucified with Jesus. What are the ODDS, of all the crucifixions that ONLY these three survived after 400 years and somehow she through some supposed miracle decided which one of the three was Jesus's? The whole story is hokey pokey. But back then....ignorant people believed this kind of stuff. No one ever questioned the RCC, or it's bogus claims. We're more educated today, and with global communication we also know that all these pieces of wood cannot be from the TRUE CROSS.
---kathr4453 on 3/15/18




Nicole, What evidence shows crosses or stakes the Romans used for their death penalty were only used one time and then taken down and given to the family of the criminal as a souvenir? It was used over and over. I also don't believe the Jews stole the stake when Rome wasn't looking.

There is no mention or history of Jesus Cross or stake until Constantines Mother, Helena, claimed she had with many artifacts of Jesus. Even her obsession became an issue within the Catholic Church. The mindset during Jesus time here on earth among believing Jews was that Idolotry was a sin. So it would not have entered the minds of believing Jews or even believing Gentiles to keep the cross or stake. That is the practice of heathens.
---Linda on 3/15/18


Steveng:

You wrote: Today's people, including the christians, translate the bible in today's worldly way. They are too technical, too worldly, to understand what was written 2,000 years ago.

Do you believe that YOU understand the Bible? If you do, what you just wrote would mean you are not a Christian, since you claim that Christians do not understand it. If you're not a Christian, what are you?
---StrongAxe on 3/15/18


Sooo Kathr, you DON'T believe there WASN'T a CROSS that Jesus died on?

Are you saying the Cross went UP WITH HIM when He ascended into Heaven?

Or are you claiming you all kept the Cross hidden with you all in your underground Churches until the 1900's?

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING ABOUT THE CROSS?

Are you saying Jesus died on an imaginary cross?

Did the Cross disappear after they took Him down?

PLEASE TELL US?
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/15/18


GOSPEL, aka Good news is clearly defined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is about the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Scripture also tells us that flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God...SOOOOO you must be Born Again? Now the earthly kingdom after the wrath of God takes place( yes, those IN CHRIST ( Good news too ) are saved from the WRATH TO COME, is something altogether different. BUT that time is designated for a specific time of the GREAT TRIBULATION, which Christians don't have to go through.

Remember Jesus said MY KINGDOM is not of this world. Those in the BOC are in the Kingdom of His dear Son, NOW seated with Christ in Heavenly places IN CHRIST we have already entered through much tribulation.
---kathr4453 on 3/15/18


The semantics about the death of Christ has proven that today's people will never understand the language that was written two thousand years ago. Today's people, including the christians, translate the bible in today's worldly way. They are too technical, too worldly, to understand what was written 2,000 years ago.

The Hebrew language is very poetic using metaphors, and similes. They create many words to mean the same thing: "blood," "cross," and other words all simply mean "death."

The word "gospel" is another word that is misused. The good news isn't about Christ, salvation, etc. The good news is simply the coming of the Kingdom of God. That's it, nothing more, nothing less.
---Steveng on 3/14/18




And just an FYI for those not Catholic....the relics the Catholic Church claims they have of the TRUE CROSS....yes, make sure you get that right...it's called the TRUE CROSS, some say if all the pieces were brought together and assembled would be enough wood to build Noah's Ark.

But interestingly enough...that aside...they don't believe the verse, "we are justified by His Blood" ... The verse is clear. Is it because it doesn't say.."Blood of His Cross" and they think Paul was negligent in his writings? Did they mistakenly think Paul meant blood of His circumcision? Who knows, it just says Justified by HIS BLOOD. ROMANS 5:9. And this is where our Catholics here came UNGLUED.
---kathr4453 on 3/14/18


There are MANY VERSES that just say HIS BLOOD,...so even the Authors in Hebrews, James, John, Paul, Peter, just assume YOU KNOW it is not from His circumcision or a skinned knee, but when He shed His blood at the Cross. Only one verse says Blood of His Cross.....which even that to some simple minded may look like Only Jesus wood bled. Oh but again, you all claim to have that wood don't you that you believe there is all sorts of supernatural things attached just like secretly keeping the skin of Baby Jesus circumcision. Yes there's a whole documentary on this bazaar behavior.

So who knows what is in YOUR minds any given moment here on CN ...as everything said has to pass through your strange mindset of what you all have been taught.
---kathr4453 on 3/13/18


Is there some strange Idol worshipping of claiming a peace of HIS Cross ( they claim the have) on occasions BLEED! Like statues of Mary bleeding tears from the eyes. ACTUALLY IT WAS SOMETHING Nicole once said that caused me to research and uncover the FORESKIN of Jesus they claim they have, that created an international incident when It was stolen. So should we dig deeper into the FALSE DOCTRINE and memorabilia of the RCC they are so attached to ...I find much more note worthy than a typo that did NOT change one thing.

Ok so you look for misspelled words, and typos and I'll look for false doctrine and idolatry. Hope that works for you both.
---kathr4454 on 3/13/18


Matthew 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Here, we'll just let the Lord rebuke Monk and Nicole. What more can be said about those who ADD things to scripture NEVER taught or supported by other scriptures They want us to swallow?
---kath453 on 3/13/18


The only cross that counts in all of history is the cross of Christ. For only the blood of Christ can save us from sin.

There is no other name by which we are saved.

Jesus the Christ is Lord and author of our salvation by faith through grace alone.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/13/18


Nicole, you can't even get what Monk said correct. Colossians 1:20 does not say JUST BLOOD..

HIS CROSS...THE CROSS....you make such a big deal that It changes the meaning. When I think of THE CROSS, I never think about anyone BUT JESUS. So let me look at scripture and see if EVERY VERSE THAT HAS CROSS IN IT SAYS HIS CROSS. What if it says THE CROSS.....what will happen Monk.....? And the song..."THE " OLD RUGGED CROSS, is NOT His Old Rugged Cross. Only a nitwit who has NEVER heard the Gospel,or EVER read scripture would MAYBE MAYBE be confused...

IS THAT YOU?
---kathr4454 on 3/12/18


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Here....Three examples. Some say THE CROSS, some say THE CROSS OF CHRIST....and these three don't even say blood. Yet those who KNOW ..KNOW the preaching of THE CROSS is to preach Jesus death and resurrection, including His shed blood for the forgivness of sin...EXCEPT MONK AND NICOLE.

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Galatians 5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

Galatians 6:12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised, only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 3/12/18


Wow Monk, I didn't realize Paul did say Blood of the His Cross NOT Just His Blood.

As you said His Blood shed from His circumcision isn't going to save us.

The way His Blood is shed from His Blood on the Cross that Saves us.

Great catch and understanding!
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/12/18


Christianity has gone downhill for the past two thousand years - especially within the past two hundred years - because of semantics. The English language has surpassed one million words each having multiple definitions and many having opposite meanings from the original.

The true meaning of what was written by the early Hebrew writers are completely gone. The true meaning is by the Holy Spirit's guidance of which the so-called christians, the denominational christians, lack. Today's so-called christians have the worldly knowledge of what is written, but lack the spiritual knowledge.
---Steveng on 3/12/18


Gee wiz Monk....you didn't think I meant someone else's cross. Talk about being so petty, that you would find one word you think totally changes the meaning and context of the verse? YOU objected to not including Jesus BODY....and objected to blood only. ....Just like correcting others spelling.... SUCH A BOOR.

But Monk if you need to save face , I'm not surprised.

But when YOU do such petty things, others notice your lack of obedience to 1 Corinthians 13. .

So you thought blood of "the" cross meant the wood was bleeding, But the Blood of His cross means the wood is not bleeding? Did you know ( of the cross) ( of His Cross) is a prepositional phrase ...and does not change the "SUBJECT" ?
---kathr4453 on 3/12/18


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Nicole, Whether proclaim, remember whatever...Jesus said in Remembrance of me...Paul said...to PROCLAIM HIS DEATH until He comes.

1 Corinthians 11: 25In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, This cup is the new covenant in My blood, do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me. 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lords death until He comes.

Nothing here about ingesting Jesus soul and divinity...nor does John 6.

Paul didn't say proclaim His resurrection. If you want to re-write scripture, Monk won't have a problem with YOU doing that. But THAT "one word" WOULD change the whole meaning of the verse.
---kathr453 on 3/12/18


Kathr: As the Catechism notes, they still receive Christ's "body and blood, soul and divinity" when receiving only the Host...

FIRST, we don't receive the SOUL AND DIVINITY of Jesus Christ when taking communion. We REMEMBER HIS DEATH UNTIL HE COMES.//

CORRECTION, what's with this 'WE' business?

You are not receiving COMMUNION, so ONLY you are remembering His Death until He comes.

I don't why you are NOT remembering His Resurrection? It's in the Gospels as well?

//Also Jesus said He would not eat drink UNTIL a later date.//

What Bible are you read?

Jesus eat Fish Luke 24:43 and He took it and ate it in their presence

You are mistaken Jesus saying He would DRINK wine, Matthew 26:29
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/12/18


Kathr4453 quoted Scripture when she said, "20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself, by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven."

Yes, I do tend to heap sarcasm upon things that I know are wrong. Your quote from Colossians is the first time you got it right. Paul did not say the blood of THE cross as you alleged early in this thread. It is the blood of HIS cross. Please quote Scripture correctly if you want me to be reasonable.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/12/18


Nicole, On a Catholic site I asked, why DO SOME Catholic Church ONLY serve the Bread and not the wine ? Here's the answer....
Those who receive only the Host are not depriving themselves of anything. As the Catechism notes, they still receive Christ's "body and blood, soul and divinity" when receiving only the Host.

FIRST, we don't receive the SOUL AND DIVINITY of Jesus Christ when taking communion. We REMEMBER HIS DEATH UNTIL HE COMES.

Even Peter does not teach such nonsense, 2 Peter 1 Peter states we are partakers of His divine NATURE by faith in His Promises...not injesting Jesus. Also Jesus said He would not eat drink UNTIL a later date.....so does Jesus need to eat His soul and divinely at a later date?
---kathr4453 on 3/12/18


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Nicole, so you do know that not everyone believes as Catholics do..correct. And I don't either.

Christ IN YOU, comes by faith in receiving Jesus Christ into your heart..not your stomach. But Paul explains it in detail as the Holy Spirit revealed to Paul THAT GLORIFIES JESUS. first Romans lays down a lovely foundation. First we are justified by His Blood..faith in His Blood, and then we are saved by His RISEN LIFE...the Last Adam Jesus is that LIFE GIVING SPIRIT. This happens when we put our faith in Jesus finished works, we are CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST, and THEN raised up together with Him a NEW CREATURE. The LIVING GLORIFIED Christ lives in us....no longer I but Christ in me.
---kath4454 on 3/12/18


Kathr: but if you read all of chapter 6, those who left were compared to Judas//

What? Who is saying that?

Judas didn't leave. He was part of the 12 who stayed and Jesus called him a devil 6:70

//...and there's no scripture that states Judas had a problem with canibalism, because canibalism was never brought up.//

NONE OF THEM THOUGHT IT WAS CANNIBALISM!

They all ATE His BODY and drank BLOOD at the last supper. Jesus said it again when He pass the Bread and Wine around to the 12.

Protestants started making that excuse 250 years ago when you all stop having your form of masses.

Kathr, I will pray you will get the FULL gifts of the Holy Spirit.
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/12/18


But Monk, to jump in the MIDDLE of a conversation and take someone's words out of context and run with it, claiming someone said something they never said...THAT IS WHAT YOU DID. You took Cluny's comment back to me where he got it wrong..... My first words were , JUSTIFIED BY HIS BLOOD AND SAVED BY HIS LIFE. I actually stated the WHOLE of Jesus blood and body....but Cluny accused me of saying Jesus blood only. And never apologized, and when I showed you...you never apologized.

Just apologize....anyone can go back to the beginning of this thread and see what you and Cluny did.....you misquoted me, and tried to start a food fight.

And the BLOOD of the CROSS clearly defines it's not from an infant circumcision....
---kathr4453 on 3/12/18


When I comment about the Blood, I am commenting on the Blood of Christ. I simply repeated Kathr's assertion that it was the blood of the Cross. If it was just His Blood that saved us, it would have been enough for the amount of blood that Jesus shed during His circumcision. Being God almighty, that would have been enough. But Jesus had to purchase our eternal souls with His whole Body AND Blood. Without the sacrifice of His entire SELF, we would remain damned.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/11/18


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Nicole,
Prayer is nothing more or less than communicating with God. Matthew 6:9-13 tells us HOW to pray (After this manner...). It's only an example. The first part of Matthew 9 acknowledges God as though you were acknowledging a friend. WHAT to pray is another issue. We need to be very specific in our prayers. Read all the prayers in the bible. Do they all say the same thing are they all different?

Here are sample of prayers:
Ephesians 3:14,16
Ephesians 6:18
John 17:11,15,16, 22-23, 26
Romans 15:30
2 Corinth 1:10-11
Matthew 9-38

Did Jesus pray to the Father using the exact wording of Matthew 6:9-13? The bible is full of examples of prayers.

We must be very specific for our prayers to be answered.
---Steveng on 3/11/18


Well Nicole, that's your interpretation of John 6, but if you read all of chapter 6, those who left were compared to Judas...and there's no scripture that states Judas had a problem with canibalism, because canibalism was never brought up.

John 6 is about following Jesus int death and resurrection life....

I'm sad Nicole that you all have a false sense of secutiry because you think you are going to be saved on what you injest into your stomach,,and pass daily with the morning paper. I believe CHRIST IN YOU comes in a totally different form, via THROUGH the veil, that is to say His Flesh....meaning being Crucified with Christ, and raised up together WITH HIM.

I stand by what I believe Nicole.
---kathr4453 on 3/11/18


Kathr: I absolutely believe John 6 as Jesus tells me...and He told me it has NOTHING to do with Canibalism ...//

You are NOT trusting in Jesus and that Jesus CAN DO ANYTHING. FOR NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH GOD.

Anyway, you sound like the Disciples in John 6:66 who also didn't understand or BELIEVE IN JESUS and DIDN'T want to eat Jesus' Body or Drink His Blood.

So they LEFT JESUS and no longer FOLLOWED Him.

Jesus didn't call them back NOR did He explain to the 12 differently!

BECAUSE IT IS HIS BODY AND BLOOD!

We Catholics BELIEVE Jesus at His WORDS and REFUSE to LEAVE Him.

We continue to FOLLOW Jesus AT HIS TERMS NOT our terms.
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/11/18


Steveng: 1. It's a catholic thing to repeat prayers//

So repeating the 'Father's prayer' prayer is wrong? Matt 6:9-13

Are suggesting when Jesus told the Disciples to pray the Father's prayer only they could pray that prayer and not us?

So you are not praying that prayer?

Protestants CAN'T pray that prayer?

They can ONLY SAY that prayer ONCE?

Why are Protestants REPEATING Psalms 23rd OVER AND OVER?

//It's a catholic thing to pray to Mary who is dead...It's a catholic thing to pray to dead people.//

NO, it is a Catholic thing to believe Jesus in Mark 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. Matt 22:31-32, Luke 20:38

I guess you are a Sadducees without understanding?
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/11/18


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How about believing in John 6 as Jesus tells you and STOP making excuses to justify your way of worship?
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/10/18


I absolutely believe John 6 as Jesus tells me...and He told me it has NOTHING to do with Canibalism ...

If it does Nicole, you MUST have at least 2-3 supporting verses supporting canibalism ....and explain why when Jesus was with them Jesus didn't cut off a chunk of His Skin aka flesh....and cut his finger and let His blood drip into a cup... Why not use the real thing when the real thing was right there? And no verse supports any miracle of the wine and bread changing into Jesus flesh and blood. And no NT scripture shows any such MIRACLE preformed by anyone...even the Apostles.
---kathr453 on 3/11/18


1. It's a catholic thing to repeat prayers like the heathen do.

2. It's a catholic thing to baptize babies who have no concept of sin, repentance, God or Jesus.

3. It's a catholic thing to pray to Mary who is dead.

4. It's a catholic thing to think Mary is a co-redeemer with Jesus.

5. It's a catholic thing to pray to dead people.

6. It's a catholic thing to have graven images and statues and pray to them.

7. It's a catholic thing to call priests "Father."

8. It's a catholic thing that children inherit parent's sin.

9. It's a catholic thing to believe only the priests' interpretations of the bible.

10. It's a catholic thing to confess sins only to a priest.
---Steveng on 3/10/18


Kathr: It is a Catholic thing....because you believe you have to EAT Jesus body literally to be saved.//

YUP!

It's a Catholic thing to LISTEN to Jesus.

It's a Catholic thing to do what Jesus tells us what to do.

It's a Catholic thing NOT to choose and pick what Jesus tells us to do.

It's a Catholic thing to OBEY Jesus in ALL THINGS.

//I believe John 6 differently than you---kathr4453

How about believing in John 6 as Jesus tells you and STOP making excuses to justify your way of worship?
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/10/18


Ok now I understand why you all don't understand the verses I posted. It is a Catholic thing....because you believe you have to EAT Jesus body literally to be saved. Well, I was talking about Justification. So my question to you is, why do you all exclude everything GOD spoke through Paul? Colossians 1:20 is not about eating Jesus....but something altogether different.
Many believe they are saved by putting their FAITH in Jesus Death and resurrection and that COMMUNION is what Paul teaches....in REMEMBERING His Death. Jesus also said to do in REMEMBRANCE.

I believe John 6 differently than you. I do not believe in Canibalism ...and I believe scripture teaches against it.
---kathr4453 on 3/10/18


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Kathr, you keep running pass the Gospels as always justify your beliefs. Why?

Jesus is God not Paul.

Jesus is clear.

Jesus said you have to EAT His Body and Drink His Blood to have eternal life.

And you talk about my reading capabilities?

John 6:54

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

Why do you ONLY speak about the blood of Jesus?
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/10/18


I DO understand Colossians 1:20. I know it doesn't mean wood bleeds. If you don't either Cluny, then you are addressing the wrong person. It appears Monk does.
---kathr4453 on 3/8/18


\\
I won't apologize because the natural man cannot understand the things of the spirit.\\

You don't really think that YOU understand them, do you, kathr?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/7/18


Colossians 1:20

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself, by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

WOW, it appears the Blood of the Cross...(for the severely ignorant, that means Jesus shed blood....not the wood) has even a profound effect on things in Heaven as well.

If anyone has a problem with this verse...please take it up with the Lord....and stop blaspheming the Word of God....

Sounds like something Nicole would say about wood bleeding....making up GOOFY commentary on scripture she doesn't understand. But Monk? HUmmmmm
---kathr4453 on 3/8/18


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I won't apologize because the natural man cannot understand the things of the spirit. That's your problem. You scoff at the Word of God...I am quoting scripture and you are making fun of God and His word. If you want to crack smart-alec remarks and give your own strange interpretation of what YOU THINK it means, or what you THINK I mean, then yes , you fall into the same category as Nicole.

I don't have to defend scripture to you. All I have to do is believe it and proclaim it.

Start a food fight with someone else Monk....you make no sense, and seeing you posted my original words shows I DID SAY, His Blood AND HIS LIFE. And you still argue.....
---kathr4453 on 3/7/18


Kathr4453 said, "Neither Nicole or Monk can read.....I said scripture says we are JUSTIFIED by His blood and SAVED BY HIS LIFE...HIS RISEN LIFE."

Kathr, the fact that Nicole and I participate on this forum means that we can read, so you are telling a falsehood there. When you apologize to us about your libel, I will apologize to you.

Quoting you exactly, you said, "Paul calls it the BLOOD OF THE CROSS....not the blood of circumcision or a skinned knee.

We were also purchased with the Blood of Jesus."


Sorry, but wood doesn't bleed, It was the Blood AND Body of the Lamb that saved us.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/7/18


Cluny I quoted scripture. I said His Blood and His Life, yet you came back and misquoted me saying I ONLY said the blood. WRONG WRONG WRONG . And then MONK rather than looking back at my original took YOUR word, that was MISQUOTED. Again YOU BOTH misrepresented what I said. AND I never said anything about toe nails, circumcision or the likes. I even said BLOOD OF THE CROSS making a distinction of NOT circumcision when he was a baby.

Please just apologize.

I was also addressing Markv, Luke...and the doctrine of Calvinism, who OVERLOOKS Justification by faith in His Blood FIRST, not AFTER you are Born again....and THAT is where you all jumped in to start a food fight.
---kathr4453 on 3/7/18


Kathr4453 said, "I resent being misrepresented. AND: Not sure how the Catholic Church believes...but obviously reject the Blood of Christ RE: the Blood of the Covenant..."

NOT only do you misrepresent me, but the Catholic Church as well.

Okay, I said that it was not the shedding of His Blood, but of His whole self! The Lamb of God was SLAIN. That is what I was saying.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/6/18


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\\Not sure how the Catholic Church believes...but obviously reject the Blood of Christ\\

WRONG AGAIN! as in so many things you say, kathr.

The Roman Church has the Feast of the Precious Blood on 1 July.

You also might want to read one of her official prayers, The Litany of the Precious Blood.

Here are some quotes from it:

**Blood of Christ, poured out on the Cross,
save us.
Blood of Christ, price of our salvation,
save us.
Blood of Christ, without which there is no forgiveness,
save us.**

Lex orandi, lex credendi.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/6/18


its identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life that totally changes our nature. our old man and old nature must die and our new is raised up together with Him. now we put on CHRIST. we live in HIS resurrection power....no longer I but Christ in me.

salvation is so much more than just being forgiven of our sin. That is just the beginning.

yes and LOVE doesn't need to correct others spelling or grammer....that is not showing love or grace towards another, but arrogance and a condescending attitude. LOVE apologizes when falsely representing another either knowingly or unknowingly.
---kathr4453 on 3/6/18


I adjusted Catholicism to fit my personality and ways and nature > I became a social misfit of worry and building up with self-righteous anger until I at times exploded with rage.

Then I got "saved", and kept on in even more criticizing of others and looking down on others. So, I was a conceitaholic. The Roman Catholic Church did not give me the nature and evil spirit (Ephesians 2:2) of this.

And getting "saved" did not stop it.

But God's grace is almighty to succeed in us, to cure our nature into His love (c:

And I would say Jesus considers conceit and its hypocrisy to be more criminal than plenty of things which get people put in jail. So, yes God is able to cure any criminal, Nicole ! ! ! (c:
---Bill on 3/6/18


"'For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.'" (Matthew 26:28)

To my knowledge, this is included in the Catholic Eucharist preparation. So, I am sure that part of Catholic belief includes how Jesus on Calvary shed His blood for our sins, that we may be forgiven.

Hebrews 9:22

Ephesians 1:7

So, yes Jesus Christ shed His blood for us, on Calvary, that we may be forgiven. And this covers any and all sins, including of criminals.

And His grace in us is almighty - - - able to change any of us and any criminal "from the power of Satan to God" (Acts 26:18) so we become like Jesus in God's own love > 1 John 4:17.
---Bill on 3/5/18


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magnificent, but His blood alone did not save us.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/2/18


This is what I resent Monk, because I never made this statement...YOU DID, making a false statement.

I said scripture states we are JUSTIFIED by His Blood and saved BY HIS LIFE. Is it possible you just didn't read OR understand scripture? Or were you just trying to start a food fight...Nicole though so and threw the first cup cake.

Never said one thing about toenails, circumcision...etc...YOU DID in a condescending comment .

I resent being misrepresented.
---kathr4453 on 3/5/18


Hebrews also teach, that without the shedding of blood there is no forgivness of sin.

And no one is SAVED without being forgiven of sin.

Unless you are of those who believe your good works saves you.

Not sure how the Catholic Church believes...but obviously reject the Blood of Christ RE: the Blood of the Covenant they obviously have counted it unholy, thereby trampling underfoot the Son of God as well. WARNING IN HEBREWS 10...take heed.

Paul calls it the BLOOD OF THE CROSS....not the blood of circumcision or a skinned knee.

We were also purchased with the Blood of Jesus...as opposed to your silver and gold false doctrine of buying a soul out of Purgetory .....
---kathr4453 on 3/5/18


We are saved from sin and death when we trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross and his bodily resurrection. His shed blood pays for our sins,(Heb 9:22) earns forgiveness, and gives us eternal life.
Salvation is not a product of water baptism. good works, commandments,
church membership, mass or the Lords Supper
Salvation is free to the ungodly who will put their faith(Heb 11:6) in the death, blood, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ for their sins (Rom 4:5, Roms 4:24-25, 1 Cor 15:1-4).
---michael_e on 3/5/18


Kathr, I resent you saying that I cannot read. I did not say that His blood was not important.

I said, "Your devotion to His blood is magnificent, but His BLOOD ALONE did not save us."

Now who is not reading??
---Monk_Brendan on 3/5/18


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Neither Nicole or Monk can read.....I said scripture says we are JUSTIFIED by His blood and SAVED BY HIS LIFE...HIS RISEN LIFE.

Both your cognitive reasoning skills leave much to be desired. You regurgitate nonsense no one ever said and then pat yourselves on the back for your moronic reasoning stating things NEVER SAID. it only shows how IGNORANT you both are when it comes to the doctrine of the CROSS. I just believe Scripture....I don't tear it down and overly disect and scoff like you both have. Shame on you. You're not hurting me with such garbage nonsense..you are only hurting yourselves ...and can't even see it. You may want to read Hebrews 10 very carefully before you blaspheme here again.
---kathr4453 on 3/5/18


Monk: if we were saved by His blood, then we would have been saved at His circumcision, where His blood was shed in obedience to His Father. We are saved by the ENTIRE Christ,//

WELL SAID! WELL SAID!

If all we need to be saved by His Blood God would have allowed Herod to kill Jesus with the other toddler Boys.

Jesus said He lays down His Life. Jesus obediently walks to Calvary. He carried His cross.

His 40 lashes wasn't enough even though He loss so much Blood one could see His bones.

Plus, Paul said Jesus' Death and Resurrection that saves us.

1 Cor 15:12-19
V17 And if Christ has NOT been raised, your faith is futile, you are still in your sins. Then those also have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/5/18


Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Jesus also made peace through THE BLOOD OF THE CROSS.

I'm so sorry Monk if you are OFFENDED by the Blood of Jesus Christ....

I also find your comments insulting and ignorant. Don't tell me...tell God how you feel about HIS WORD.

Maybe you should re-write scripture to your liking.
---kathr4453 on 3/3/18


Monk, it's all right here in these two verses. I forgot many people here don't know scripture. My apologies. I will try to post verses more. Those who want to argue against said verses, may do so with The Lord. Don't argue it with me.

Romans 5:9-10

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
---kathr4453 on 3/2/18


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I understand Cluny..I'm just quoting scripture....we are justified by His Blood ans saved by His life.

Those who want to omit justification and jump right into,sanctification have issues with that verse.

Yes we are saved by His WHOLE life...His sacrifice of Himself for sin, and His Risen Life in us as we speak, aka being Born Again..or another way to,say it...being RAISED UP TOGETHER WITH HIM. EPhesians calls this being saved BY GRACE.

Also glad to see you back. Hope you're doing well.
---kathr4453 on 3/2/18


Cluny, good to hear from you.

I hope you are feeling much better? I know you are still sore, at least you are better to blog some.

We missed you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/2/18


Kathr4455 said, " Luke, MarkV, Lisa, We are justified by His Blood...that is FAITH IN HIS BLOOD, and THEN we are SAVED by His Life...that is His Risen Life in you."

Kathr, if we were saved by His blood, then we would have been saved at His circumcision, where His blood was shed in obedience to His Father. We are saved by the ENTIRE Christ, Were you saved by His toenails or tonsils? How about His hair follicles?

Your devotion to His blood is magnificent, but His blood alone did not save us.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/2/18


\\that is FAITH IN HIS BLOOD, and THEN we are SAVED by His Life...that is His Risen Life in you. \\

kathr , we are saved by the ENTIRE Christ, not just by bits and pieces of His physical body.

My faith is in Christ Himself, not a theory about how He saves us.

Glory to Him!
---Cluny on 3/2/18


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I do believe that anyone can be save. Anyone. But if they are in prison, they still have to pay for their sins against mankind. They are under the law and have broken Gods law against mankind and that law they do have to pay themselves even if they are born of the Spirit now.
As far as God is concern, they are forgiven, as far as mankind is concern, they still have to pay themselves. Jesus is not going to pay again for his sins, this time he has to pay.
---Luke on 2/28/18


The forgiveness of sins is made possible by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. By his grace God offers forgiveness of all sins to any man in Christ.
This does not mean everyone is already forgiven, for not all men are in Christ. Not all men have faith.
The benefits of the gospel of Christ, including benefits of the blood, are only given to those that first trust the gospel (Eph 1:13).
---michael_e on 2/27/18


Myheartbelongs2Jesus said, " Could it be possible that a strait up criminal who has been a known criminal ages or decades can he or she find solace in God? A lot times people do not believe they can change."

First of all, the word is spelled S-T-R-A-I-G-H-T.

God can change any man's heart. That means ANYONE
---Monk_Brendan on 2/16/18


John 3:8 - The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one born of the spirit,

John 3,8 - Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

John 3:9 -Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel , And not knowest these things?

John 3:10 - Verily, verily I say unto thee. We speak that we do know,and testify that we have seen: and ye receive not our witness.

John 3:11 - If I told have you earthly things, and ye believe not, How shall ye believe if I tell you heavenly things?
---RichardC on 2/15/18


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We can pray for how God is able to change any evil person.

Jesus suffered and died on the cross with hope for any evil person, at all.

Love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7).

So, if anyone does not believe God is able to change an evil person into a child of His love, possibly that person has not been changed by God into a Christlike person. Possibly that person has not experienced how God is able to change our nature so that "as He is, so are we in this world." (in 1 John 4:17)
---Bill on 2/15/18


Since Jesus was nailed to a cross purchasing us with his perfect blood God can forgive us all for Christs sake. All we need do is believe it, as Paul teaches in his gospel, 1 Thess 4 and 1 Cor 15
Many think Christ didn't do enough and we still need to beg for forgiveness.
Still captive to sin and guilt, religious people, go through water baptisms, continually confess their sins, say ritualistic prayers, and perform good deeds in attempt to earn forgiveness. Despite the fact that the Bible is clear that Christ already died for sins.
There is no reason to do these things if you have already trusted in Christs payment for sin. Trying to earn your own forgiveness makes the cross of Christ of none effect!
---michael_e on 2/13/18


Luke, MarkV, Lisa, We are justified by His Blood...that is FAITH IN HIS BLOOD, and THEN we are SAVED by His Life...that is His Risen Life in you.

Our born Again experience comes when we are crucified with Christ and RAISED UP TOGETHER WITH HIM A NEW CREATURE. OT saints were Justified by Faith, but we're not at that time Born Again...because Jesus had not died and rose again. So they didn't experience a New Birth. they died without receiving the promise. Heb 11:39-40. The Promise was the promise of the Holy Spirit. Yet we see, they are SAVED.

I know Calvinism does not believe this.

Justification is God DECLARING US RIGHTEOUS. One must be declared righteous first, before being baptized INTO CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 2/13/18


You can only be justified if you are born again of the Spirit. There is no such thing as being justified without being born again of the Spirit.

Kathr seems to imply you can be justified and not be a child of God. Only those born of the Spirit are children of God.
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood, not of the will of the flesh, nor the will of man, but of God" John 1: 12,13.
---Luke on 2/13/18


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Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Anyone who believes on God who justifies the UNGODLY, his faith is counted for righteousness. Notice it's very clear faith or believing is not considered works....

WORKETH NOT BUT BELIEVE again knocks a lot of false doctrine right off their ivory tower.

Paul said he was the chief of sinners because he MURDERED CHRISTIANS ....also wrote Romans 4:5.

One MUST BE JUSTIFIED first. This is your LEGAL standing before God, not the New Birth. Once Justified and declared RIGHTEOUS, THEN you can be joined to a Holy God...and are SAVED BY HIS LIFE IN YOU. CHRIST IN YOU..THE HOPE OF GLORY.
---kathr4453 on 2/13/18


Mark 2:17 - When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they are sick : I came not to call the righteous , But sinner to repentance,

Ecclesiastes 7:20 - For there is not a just man upon the earth , that doeth good, and sinneth not.
---RichardC on 2/12/18


//A lot times people do not believe they can change.//
People who believe "criminals" can't change don't believe scripture so they "change" either. In reality God changes us.
Paul says "while we were yet sinners Christ died for us"
Salvation was a mystery, and it will remain a mystery until people acknowledge the message revealed to the apostle Paul, the chief of sinners saved by grace.
---michael_e on 2/12/18


Jesus wants me to have forgiveness ready for any person. And God wants us to pray with hope for all which is possible with God for any evil person.

Jesus died on the cross with hope for any evil person, at all.

And Jesus calls to "all" >

"'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.'" (Matthew 11:28)

So, yes any criminal can change to have hope and solace. And even if you have failed in shameful ways, still . . . Jesus calls to "all", which includes you (c: and me (c:

But we do need for God to correct our character so we can have real and stable rest for our souls > Hebrews 12:4-11.
---Bill on 2/7/18


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We are personally acquainted with many people who were once incarcerated for all kinds of crimes and they are serving the Lord today. One friend is a preacher who was in for murder without the possibility of parole. He was paroled a few years after getting saved and going through Bible School classes for ordination.
---KarenD on 2/5/18


Didn't the Thief on the cross teach us that?

That's why we call him the good thief, because he was so good he even stole Heaven.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/5/18


Long-time sinners change, do they not?
---Steveng on 2/3/18


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