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The New Testament Books

The Bible has books from both the Old and New covenants, covenants God made with man. Now since were under the New Covenant, not the Old, why does our Bible have so many Old Covenant books and so few New Testament books?

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Gospels according to Matt-Jn is the kingdom gospel.
All four of them contain the same gospel: the gospel of the kingdom. The gospel of the kingdom declared the fulfillment of the prophetic kingdom to the nation Israel.
If Paul taught the same gospel as those before him, then why did he call it my gospel three times?
when Paul mentions my gospel it shows that he had a unique message.
Pauls gospel made no distinction between Jew or Gentile. All are counted in unbelief as sinners, and are judged by God without respect of persons whether given the law or not.
Paul says "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Romans 2:16
---michael_e on 3/2/18


Jesus said in John, ABRAHAM REJOICED TO SEE MY DAY, HE SAW IT AND WAS GLAD.

Abraham also saw the death and resurrection in a vision when offering Isaac.

So michael_e, we have Paul in Romans 4 and Galatians using Abraham In laying the foundation of Jesus death and resurrection.again the 8th day circumcision ALSO pointed to Jesus death resurrection and New creation.

He lays ALL THIS OUT. You only see a small part...not the WHOLE. Paul didnt wast time writing about Abraham if there's no significance ....that would only confuse.

He didn't confuse...he ESTABLISHED the foundation in everything he wrote.
---kathr4453 on 3/2/18


//Paul clearly lays out and uses ABRAHAM AS ITS FOUNDATION. ..//
Wrong
1 Cor 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
//THAT IS THE CENTRAL TEACHING OF THE CROSS, not just Jesus dying and rising again.//
Wrong
The resurrection of Christ is central to Pauls gospel and message. It is not a secondary issue or an afterthought.
1 Cor 15: 13-14
But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
---michael_e on 3/2/18


david said, "Confession of sin is not only for forgiveness, it is also for cleansing, a cleaning which must be done to keep us from becoming wretched before God."

agree,however, the NT Understanding of confession is acknowledging that one has sinned this also includes the understanding that one is a sinner.

Next, after one becomes a saint he or she can confess a sin, but it is not the same as a sinner confessing. Do you agree?

The NT also commands repentance do you agree?

Repentance was not possible under the OT.
---john9346 on 3/2/18


Michael_e's doctrine says from Acts 1 until Paul, The Apostles were preaching the Earthly Kingdom...YET, We know in Revelation many things must take place before that even begins, and Matthew 24-25 show events leading up to this time before the second coming, not to be confused with the rapture. Also Zechariah 12-14 has to happen first.

So, until Paul came along, the 144,000 from Israel were sealed , AND THEN WHAT???? unsealed????? and God totally aborted this because WALLA here comes Paul, and God what....changed His mind and put the kingdom, His judgement and wrath on hold, ....because WHY....because Israel (after Jesus rose from the dead) rejected Him?

Even during the time before the Kingdom 2/3 of Israel will reject Him.
---kathr4453 on 3/2/18




And if you mean Mathew Mark Luke and John are the same...no they are not.

Matthew is written directly to Jews Concerning the Millinneal Kingdom reign...and who and who does not enter in those 1000 year earthly reign ...Kingdom LAW is spelled out, and the word GRACE is not used.

John opens with Jesus coming with GRACE and Truth...opening the doctrine of salvation by GRACE which is THE CROSS....see Galatians 2:20-21 to validate.

John 17 prayer is Colossians 3-1-4, which is One with God in Christ sealed by the Holy Spirit. This IS the Mystery, that WE, the CHURCH are crucified with Christ, and Crucified to the world.

John 17 is not a prayer for the Millennial Kingdom Reign AKA the Gospel of the KINGDOM.
---kathr4453 on 3/2/18


BTW, i'm really trying to understand your position..---john

John
Have you ever fed a homeless person? Their stench is so bad, you could never sit down wind of them, and yet they can sit and enjoy the meal you just gave them. How can they still enjoy a meal, in the midst of a stench that makes you wretch? They have simply gotten use to the stench, and dont even know they smell wretched.

Similarly, this is what happens when we dont confess sin. We begin to see ourselves as Good, when God sees the unconfessed sinner as wretched.

Confession of sin is not only for forgiveness, it is also for cleansing, a cleaning which must be done to keep us from becoming wretched before God. (1 John 1:9)
---David on 3/2/18


There are not 4 Gospels. There may be 4 different administrations of the Gospel, but the Gospel that Abel is saved by is the same Gospel we are saved by..FAITH IN THE PROMISED REDEEMER. OT saints looked forward to the cross, today we look back. The sacrifices of bulls and goats was a PICTURE a TYPE of Jesus sacrifice. It never promised to forgive sin...only COVER IT UNTIL THE TIME Jesus came, where even John the Baptist Understood when referring to Jesus, saying " BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD."

Same Gospel Michael_e....but TODAY we, unlike the OT saints, have CHRIST IN US, and we In Christ forming the CHURCH ....a totally NEW CREATURE, not Jew, not Gentile, but something completely NEW.
---kathr4453 on 3/2/18


david said, "John
Yes, I know its a model and not to be repeated verbatim. But why would the model have a daily confession of sin, if it was not needed?"

And again, where do you see a daily confession of sins in this Modeled Prayer??


"I did not say daily Bread was confession of sin,...Did I?"

Sir, you said, "Notice Jesus tells us to ask for daily bread in the prayer. If your asking for daily bread, and daily bread only lasts one day, is it not fair to assume this prayer should be said everyday? If we are to pray this way everyday, wouldnt confession of sin be done everyday too?
---john9346 on 3/1/18


David said, "If daily bread is the word of God, as you claim, why did Jesus say this in (Matthew 4:4)?
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Doesnt make much sense, according to your interpretation, does it?"

It makes much since if you read the context of the words of the Lord Jesus Christ in Matt 4... it starts in vs 1 of Matt 4.

BTW, i'm really trying to understand your position...
---
---john9346 on 3/1/18




However michael_e, there were promises to Abraham 400 years before any promises to Israel, and THAT is the Gospel Paul is clearly teaching in Galatians concerning the MYSTERY which is...I,AM CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST..Which is the core of THE CROSS vs living by the law.

The OTHER gospel came int Galatia that probably WAS being confused with the Gospel of GRACE ALSO known as the Mystery....please meditate on Galatians 2:20-21....THAT IS THE CENTRAL TEACHING OF THE CROSS, not just Jesus dying and rising again.

And this Gospel Paul clearly lays out and uses ABRAHAM AS ITS FOUNDATION. ....where God promised ALL FAMILIES ...not just Jews.
---kathr4453 on 3/1/18


All four "gospels" contain the same gospel: The gospel of the kingdom, declaring the fulfillment of the prophetic kingdom to the nation Israel.
What isn't there is the gospel of the cross for salvation. Christs death, burial, and resurrection don't occur until the final chapters.
Paul's gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the means of salvation and sanctification for ALL humanity as a new creature, the BoC.
Pauls gospel message was entirely of Christ, and "him crucified"
Paul stands alone in calling it the gospel of Christ and Christs gospel, but calling it my gospel can only be explained by the fact that Christ gave it first to Paul exclusively.
Peter didn't preach Paul's gospel.
---michael_e on 3/1/18


The most important thing to learn in discerning Gods will in the Bible is to rightly identify and divide the mystery of Christ from what was spoken to the prophets concerning Christ.
What God had spoken of by the mouth of His prophets since the world began is not what God kept secret since the world began (Acts 3:21 vs. Rom 16:25).
Mixing mystery truth with the message prophesied to Israel has led to many doctrinal heresies and confusions.
Without understanding the mystery Christ revealed to Paul we cannot be faithful stewards of those mysteries, nor faithful ministers of Christ.
---michael_e on 2/28/18


Sir, are you aware that this isn't a "Prayer.", but a model? ---john9346

John
Yes, I know its a model and not to be repeated verbatim. But why would the model have a daily confession of sin, if it was not needed?

The Lord said, "Give us this day our daily bread." bread in Scripture represents the Word of God not confession of sin.---john9346

I did not say daily Bread was confession of sin,...Did I?
If daily bread is the word of God, as you claim, why did Jesus say this in (Matthew 4:4)?
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Doesnt make much sense, according to your interpretation, does it?
---David on 3/1/18


The Gospel according to the MYSTERY is CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY. It's not Jesus dying and rising again. The Apostles also witnessed it and preached it at Pentecost.

The RESULT that comes with CHRIST IN YOU...this is the mystery. That those CHRIST IN as a result of faith in Him, are now members of a CHURCH called HIS BODY....and are NOT Israel, but something totally and uniquely NEW. And that we are being conformed to His Death, live now in the POWER of His Resurrectin. Its the HS is who is forming the Church, baptizing us into His Body in THIS age of Grace.

No one understands this BEFORE they are saved and given the Holy Spirit. But not understanding it does NOT exclude anyone from being a member of His Body.
---kathr4453 on 3/1/18


David,

I'd encourage you to read the writings of Irenaeus, and Turtullian. these were Early Christians who defended the Christian Faith by using and standing on Scripture...

You see, these believed and taught the doctrine referred to as Sola Scriptura.
---john9346 on 3/1/18


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John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given, because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

As I said before, much of John s Gospel reveal THE MYSTERY...So here the Holy Spirit is given AFTER JESUS DEATH RESURRECTION AND GLORIFICATION.


Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things, and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

And again, John the Baptist's repentance DID NOT promise the Holy Spirit.


Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed, because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

And here Paul is preaching the HOLY Spirit given us.
---kathr4453 on 2/28/18


Michael_e, you cannot separate the MYSTERY from the Holy Spirit given us. The US here is the BOC. It was given AFTER Jesus death resurrection ascention and Glorification EXCLUSIVELY ONLY TO THE BOC.

Please also read Hebrews 13:20-21 side by side with Romans 8:11-13. This is ALSO part of the Mystery.

Unfortunately you do not see the WHOLE and are short sighted about what you think THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE MYSTERY is.

You think because the Apostles didn't UNDERSTAND Jesus death and resurrection BEFORE the Holy Spirit was given excludes them from the CHURCH.....that is so WRONG. And personally I believe ANTI-Semitic. I believe ULTRA HYPER DISPENSATIONALISM IS ANTI-Semitic...
---kath4454 on 2/28/18


Luke, it sounds like you have a problem understanding other people's posts, and wanting to start an argument out of PERSONAL feelings.

Please don't misrepresent my words. I would explain to you further if I thought you had a sincere heart in listening. I only see someone wanting to start a food fight.

Not interested MarkV, Lisa Luke.

The Gospel according to the MYSTERY is a very specific Mystery now revealed, but was hidden in the OT. Please know scripture before starting your food fight.

Read Colossians 1:24-27 and Romans 16:25-27 and THEN respond to THAT.

So again it appears you are ignorant in this specific matter.
---kathr4453 on 2/28/18


John, preached "baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. (Mark 1:40)
Jesus tells of His death and resurrection. The twelve didn't understand. (Luke 18:31-34)
Peter said, Repent and be baptized... for the remission of sins..." (Acts 2:38)
Peters message to Israel repeated Johns message,
While he preaches the death of Christ,(Acts 3:14,15) Peter condemns Israel for killing Christ and doesn't preach the cross as their glory (Acts 5:28, Acts 10:39). Killing their This is not preaching the cross as good news.
Pauls gospel in 1 Cor 15.
Paul, was the first to preach the gospel of salvation as the glory of the cross (Gal 6:14, 1 Cor 1:18).
Paul is our pattern for preaching the gospel of Christ(1 Tim 1:16)
---michael_e on 2/28/18


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david said, "Notice Jesus tells us to ask for daily bread in the prayer. If your asking for daily bread, and daily bread only lasts one day, is it not fair to assume this prayer should be said everyday? If we are to pray this way everyday, wouldnt confession of sin be done everyday too?"

Sir, are you aware that this isn't a "Prayer.", but a model? The Lord said, "Give us this day our daily bread." bread in Scripture represents the Word of God not confession of sin.
---john9346 on 2/28/18


david said, "Considering bible scripture was not available to the early church, what did they use?"
Not sure how you are concluding that the Early Church didn't have "Scripture." The Early Church always had Scripture my friend at times it wasn't complete, but the Early Church always had the Scriptures.

Are you referring to the close of the canon sir?
---john9346 on 2/28/18


"Maybe my being Jewish gives me a different perspective and why the Lord taught me different then Les Feldick taught you who got his learning from Bullenger."

Is this the reason you think you know everything? More then Bullenger?
The mystery you know, is not the mystery the Bible talks about. The Bible speaks of "mysteries" many times, and refers to them in God, in Christ, of the kingdom, in the saints, the mystery that that the Gentiles were to be included in salvation.
It does not say that only those who are Jews will understand what all those mysteries are. You give yourself too much credit. Instead of talking so much why don't you just listen what others have to say? You might learn something.
---Luke on 2/28/18


The subject of Jesus earthly ministry in Matt-Jn is not the subject of His heavenly ministry given to Paul.---michael_e

(2 Thessalonians 1:7-8) And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ

Michael
If Paul taught a different Gospel than Christ, why did he say what he did the above passage?
---David on 2/28/18


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Learn the two-fold ministry that Jesus has for both the heaven and the earth.
---michael_e on 2/27/18

This sounds odd.

This division of ministry seems contrived.

Jesus had one purpose, destined from before the ages, to include us in the life of the Trinity. His birth, life, death, ascension, is all about accomplishing that one goal. Jesus said so right before the cross:

John 17:26 "and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."

As you say, St. Paul saw it:

Eph 1:5 "He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will"
---Mark_Eaton on 2/27/18


To understand the full explanation you also need to understand the foundation of not only the Apostles as in plural, but the Prophets...which were all in the OT TIME. And no one is saved by having a full explanation first. That knowledge and wisdom comes over years of life experiences and only to those who are saved. The Lord spent years revealing to me THE MYSTERY, and much of that foundation actually came from the OT.

Maybe my being Jewish gives me a different perspective and why the Lord taught me different then Les Feldick taught you who got his learning from Bullenger.

So firstly one must put their faith in Jesus Christ for the forgivness of sin, and OBEY Romans 12:1-2 to even understand the MYSTERY.
---kathr4453 on 2/27/18


David, I also agree with your point. John is so different than Matthew for one.
Under the OLD the Holy Spirit wasn't promised after Jesus ascended to Heaven. The OT says nothing about Jesus baptizing anyone with FIRE and the Holy Spirit. Even John the Baptist never promised that.

The OT also never said anything about bearing FRUIT by abiding in Christ. Under the LAW no one could bear FRUIT. just look at what Paul says to the Jews in Romans 7...they had to die to the LAW in order to be married to another to bring forth FRUIT. Actually much of Jesus teaching while on earth WAS PROPHECY and pointed to His resurrection life...also NT?
---kath4453 on 2/27/18


OT doctrine is for our learning(Rom 15:4) not our doctrine
Jesus instructed men to offer sacrifices (Matt 8:4), taught the law of Moses (Matt 19:17, Matt 23:1-2), frequented the Jewish temple, separated from Gentiles (Matt 10:5, Matt 15:24)
The subject of Jesus earthly ministry in Matt-Jn is not the subject of His heavenly ministry given to Paul. Learn the two-fold ministry that Jesus has for both the heaven and the earth.
Pauls gospel gives the full explanation as to the purpose of Christs death and resurrection, which was hidden since the world began, but had been appointed to Paul to preach.
---michael_e on 2/27/18


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Since the majority of Matt-John and Jesus entire earthly ministry occurred before his death then no doubt these four books are still in the context of the Old Covenant...
---michael_e on 2/26/18

Okay. I see your point and the proof you have provided.

Yet, I fail to see its significance. Why is this important?

Are you proving that what Jesus said has no relevance in our (BOC) lives? Are you saying that we should not pay attention to Jesus because He was OT and we are now under the NT?

Jesus is the New Covenant. His blood and death is the blood of the covenant between God and man. God walked thru the blood in His death and we must walk thru His blood to participate in this covenant.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/27/18


Since the majority of Matt-John and Jesus entire earthly ministry occurred before his death then no doubt these four books are still in the context of the Old Covenant. ---michael_e

Michael
Similar, but not the quite the same. Jesus did live under the Old Covenant, but Jesus taught about the reward of Eternal Life.

Was this reward offered under the Law of Moses? If not, Jesus was teaching something New. (John 1:17), & (Hebrews 12:24) also confirms this.
Agree?
---David on 2/27/18


David,

Again, The Old Testament contains the writings of Moses and the Prophets. The Old Covenant is an AGREEMENT to keep the Ten Commandment Law written on stone. The New Covenant is an AGREEMENT to keep the same Law, but they are written on the heart rather than on stone. Both of the Covenants (Old and New) are mentioned in the Old Testament and are quoted in the New Testament.


---jerry6593 on 2/27/18


Where in Matt 6 do you see the Lord Jesus teaching confession of sin as you understand it?

Notice Jesus tells us to ask for daily bread in the prayer. If your asking for daily bread, and daily bread only lasts one day, is it not fair to assume this prayer should be said everyday? If we are to pray this way everyday, wouldnt confession of sin be done everyday too?

Truth is in Scripture alone not experience my friend...
---john9346


John
Considering bible scripture was not available to the early church, what did they use?
---David on 2/27/18


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Michael_e, scripture teaches SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS. So even Gentiles being saved in this age of Grace is founded on the Law...pointing to all sorts of types and shadows that are vitally important to the MYSTERY of God, which is the Church.

Everything that was shown to Moses was after a pattern of things IN HEAVEN...THE EXACT SAME HEAVEN The Church is right now. Joshua parallels Ephesians. CIrcumcision the 8th day NOW is revealed in the MYSTERY ...the 8th day is the NEW DAY...THE NEW CREATION., also,represents BEING CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST..COLOSSIANS 2.

Everything in the Tabernacle was a PICTURE of Christ...the very SAME CHRIST we put our faith in today.
---kathr4453 on 2/26/18


Since the majority of Matt-John and Jesus entire earthly ministry occurred before his death then no doubt these four books are still in the context of the Old Covenant.
This explains why Paul wrote Jesus was a minister of the circumcision to confirm the promises made unto the Fathers (Rom 15:8).
This also explains why Jesus operated according to the Old Testament:
He was circumcised (Luke 2:27) water Baptized (Matt 3:15) taught Conditional forgiveness (Matt 6:14) taught Levitical Sacrifice for Healing (Matt 8:4) Follow the commandments (Mark 10:17-19)
Obey the Pharisees (Matt 23:2-3) Observed feast days (Matt 26:17)
---michael_e on 2/26/18


david said, "The same as taught by my Lord in (Matthew 6:6-13)."

David, at this time ofMatt 6 Animal Sacrifices, the Levitical Priesthood, etc. were still going on sir. Where in Matt 6 do you see the Lord Jesus teaching confession of sin as you understand it??

David said, "I have convinced atheists there is a God, by challenging them to confess their sins."

Sir, experience doesn't mean that something is true... Those same atheists years later can pray to Poseidon and then say Poseidon is the only true God...

Truth is in Scripture alone not experience my friend...
---john9346 on 2/26/18


David: I think you confuse "Covenant" with "Testament". They are not the same.---jerry6593 on 2/26/18

Jerry
I really do appreciate your correction, but in the English language, the only one I speak, the English dictionary defines a testament as a covenant between God and humans.
---David on 2/26/18


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The Ten Commandments given to Israel by GOD were based in love---Samuelbb7

Samuel
Where did I say they werent? I simply said they could not keep the Law of Moses, that Law which was given to them.
---David on 2/26/18


David: I think you confuse "Covenant" with "Testament".
They are not the same. A covenant is an agreement. The Old Testament consists of the Law (Moses writings) and the testimony (Prophets), and the New Testament is built on these.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.



---jerry6593 on 2/26/18


Nicole, I LOVE your post. YES YES YES

Faith in the promised Redeemer (promised Genesis 3:15) begins in Genesis and ends in Revelation. God promised a redeemer in the OT, all those promises and prophecies were brought to pass...( and over 4000 years of recorded history leading up to Jesus prophesied virgin birth along with the Gospels are the BRIDGE that bridges the Old to the New. And the Gospels ALSO RECORD JESUS RESURRECTION...and Jesus prayer in John 17 opens the door of understanding to our Faith AFTER Jesus completes what He came to do. We don't need 4000 more years of books for the NT. ITS FINISHED. The message is very clear...JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SIN, AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD SO THAT YOU CAN LIVE THROUGH HIM.
---kathr4454 on 2/26/18


Michael e: Jesus was born under the old testament.//

The OT tells us that God made a promise that He was NOT going to abandoning us even though we mess thing up Genesis 3:15.

The NT proves God kept His promise when Jesus was born.

Man kept on messing thing up in the OT. God didn't want Abraham to have 2 sons.

Sarah couldn't wait. Thus Ishmael

God didn't want Israel in the wilderness for 40 years. Thus the Golden Calf lead to 40 years.

God didn't want a King, but Israel wanted one. Thus King Saul

ON and ON did the people mess up in the OT, but God proved His love for us and sent His ONLY begotten Son to us to Save us.

The Bible is the Story our Salvation History.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/25/18


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David you gave a dispensationalist false answer. So let me enlighten you.

The Ten Commandments give to Israel by GOD were based in love.

Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Luke 10:25-28 Here a Jewish lawyer states these are the two greatest commandments of the law.

So how was David saved if not by Grace?
---Samuelbb7 on 2/25/18


God's word was NOT only for the Jews.

God chose the Israelites of the OT to bring God's word to the entire world. They failed thinking it was only for them. Just as the christians think God's word is only for them.
---Steveng on 2/25/18


Jesus was born under the old testament.---michael_e

Exactly,
But what he taught was not. Jesus was sent with a covenant to give to the Jews, just like Moses.
Why? Because of the sinful nature of man, it was impossible for the Jews to keep the Law of Moses.

Jesus gave us a Law we can keep, a Law of Love. The Jews rejected it, so the Gentile believer was invited.

God hates sin, so If you love God, try not to sin.
If you love your neighbor, help them in their time of need. Perfection is not expected, but when you sin...confess it and be forgiven. Without Confession you will lose the light and without the light, you will no longer recognize sin.
---David on 2/25/18


The Bible is clear that Jesus was born under the old testament.
when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law Gal 4:4
This explains why, he was circumcised and sacrifices were offered according to the law (Luke 2:21-24).
While on earth Jesus ministered under the OT. The scripture is clear (Heb 9:15-17)
For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. (Heb 9:17)
A testament is of force only after men are dead, this means the NT couldn't begin until after His death. Jesus died in the very end of his earthly ministry recorded in Matt 27:50, Mark 15:37, Luke 23:46, and John 19:30.
---michael_e on 2/24/18


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I don't know why there are "so few New Testament books". However, this is interesting:
"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."
Jn 21:25
---Chria9396 on 2/24/18


David, what is your definition of confession of sin and is it in line with what the authors of Scripture taught?-John

The same as taught by my Lord in (Matthew 6:6-13). Notice there is a confession of sin in his prayer, they were under the Law of Moses during that time, and note, no animal sacrifice was mentioned. Which tells us, he was teaching them how to pray under the New Covenant.

Explain more?---john

I have convinced atheists there is a God, by challenging them to confess their sins. Convinced because of the tremendous guilt they now felt after sin. When your whiter than snow, folks will notice the stain of sin in the light of God, a stain they didnt see when they lived in darkness.
---David on 2/24/18


The entire bible has one thing in common: Relationships. The relationship between God and man and between man and man.

Confessions: we must confess our sins to God and to one another.

"Sola Scriptura": to whose interpretation? For over two thousand years the words of God have been translated over and over again. It's very difficult to translate early Hebrew and Greek into today's language. As man's knowledge and language grew, so did the interpretations.

The bible is only our invitation to knowing God and his relationship with his people. The bible is man's steppingstone to getting to know God. The last steppingstone is our personal relationship with God and having his Holy Spirit guide us into truth.
---Steveng on 2/24/18






david said, "But.....confession, is still a requirement for the forgiveness of sin, and I can prove it."

David, what is your definition of confession of sin and is it in line with what the authors of Scripture taught?

You said, "Church Folks, unknowingly live in darkness, because they dont confess their sins before God.", but every Bible-believing Christian i've ever known confesses there sins??

Could you explain more of what your saying??
---john9346 on 2/23/18


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Barb:

1. Its on point you cite Matt 19:16-22 did you read what the young man ask Jesus in vs20??
2. You cite Matt 22:33-40 did you know that Jesus statement "Love God and love neighbor." is the full law that includes all of the 613 commandments??
---john9346 on 2/23/18


strongaxe ask, "How did you ever come to that conclusion? When have I EVER said anything even REMOTELY like that?!"

Sir, we've been dialogging for sometime now and do you remember I told you when one rejects "Sola Scriptura." one rejects Scripture.

Strongaxe, if you reject Sola Scriptura all you have is just a simple book with good moral teachings thats all

You have asked me in dialogs what makes the bible any different from any book the only individuals who mount these arguments are atheist, agnostics, etc... not believers...
---john9346 on 2/23/18


Is the confession of sin the same as that done in the OT?---john

No, a few things changed. One, we dont need the aid of a Levite Priest anymore. That intercession is made by Jesus Christ in heaven.
And two, we dont need an animal sacrifice as our atonement for sin, because of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross.

But.....confession, is still a requirement for the forgiveness of sin, and I can prove it.

Church Folks, unknowingly live in darkness, because they dont confess their sins before God. When they do confess their sins, instantly they are put into the light of God.

Their experience of going from dark to light, the guilt they now feel when they sin, will prove sin must be confessed. (1 John 1)
---David on 2/23/18


John fights dirty, and thinks by discrediting you with lies he's somehow WON. Yes, the same John that jumped in the middle of something we disagree about and out of the blue, accuses me of being a white supremisist slave owning baby killer.


---kathr4453 on 2/23/18


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John9346, the answer to your question about Duet 27:26 is found in Matt 19:16-22 and Matt 22:33-40. Jesus does not include the 613 commandments given to Israel but teaches the ten His Father wrote on stone.
---barb on 2/23/18


john9346:

You wrote: BTW, Strongaxe, I must ask you what difference does it make to you you don't even believe in the bible so why do you care?

How did you ever come to that conclusion? When have I EVER said anything even REMOTELY like that?!
---StrongAxe on 2/22/18


david said, "John
New covenant.
Jesus provided the sacrifice for our sins, but we still must confess our sins to be forgiven. (1 John 1:9)"

Yes, but the question is the confession of sin in 1 Jn 1:9 the same as that done in the OT?

David, do you know what happen at Yom Kippur in Lev 16 sir??
---john9346 on 2/22/18


barb said, "John9346, God's covenant is the ten commandments, not 613 ceremonial laws."

Ah, not according to Moses ma'am... remember he wrote Deuteronomy.

I cited Jer 31:32 to you because Jeremiah is stating that the covenant Yahweh would make wouldn't be like a covenant they knew, it would be different. You said the covenant would be renewed but Jeremiah didn't state that...

Barb, Moses never made a distinction of the 10C over here ceremonial and Cyvil over their all the commandments were seen as one.

If you say otherwise then explain Deut 27:26...
---john9346 on 2/22/18


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strongaxe said, "
This is a somewhat cynical and flippant comment, and assumes that if one thinks there's any conflict between the old and new testaments, one must automatically reject the new in favor of the old."

Do you understand the context I ask because you have a habit of jumping in to my conversation with others without understanding the full context??

Pleas read David's Response and then read mine and then hopefully we can dialog sir.

BTW, Strongaxe, I must ask you what difference does it make to you you don't even believe in the bible so why do you care?
---john9346 on 2/22/18


God's laws never change.

The 613 Laws of Moses hang upon the 10 Laws/commandments given to Moses which hang upon the two commandments which hang upon the ultimate commandment - Love.
---Steveng on 2/21/18


There is the God's Law that he writes on everyone's hearts - e.g. don't kill or steal. Then there is what the Bible calls "The Law", - the Law of Moses.---StrongAxe on 2/21/18

StrongAxe
I agree.
The Law of Moses/Old covenant was written in stone, the Law of Christ/New covenant is written on our hearts. No matter where God writes it, is it not still called the Law?

When you lie, steal, kill, or commit adultery, do you not feel guilt? You feel guilt because your breaking Gods Law, the Law written on your heart. Paul references this as conscience in (Romans 2:15).

John
New covenant.
Jesus provided the sacrifice for our sins, but we still must confess our sins to be forgiven. (1 John 1:9)
---David on 2/22/18


john9346:

You wrote: If David denies this then I ccertainly hope that David will sacrifice an animal before he goes to bed tonight,otherwise, he's is in sin and is cursed according to Deut 27:26.

This is a somewhat cynical and flippant comment, and assumes that if one thinks there's any conflict between the old and new testaments, one must automatically reject the new in favor of the old.
---StrongAxe on 2/22/18


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John9346, God's covenant is the ten commandments, not 613 ceremonial laws. "He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, that is the ten commandments and He wrote them on two tablets of stone." Duet 4:13.

In your response to me, you quoted Jeremiah 31:31-32 but left out verse 33 which reads "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days declares the Lord, I will put MY LAW within them and on their heart I will write it and I will be their God and they shall be my people".
---barb on 2/22/18


david said, "But for many, the God of the Old Testament, his personage, changed in the New Testament."

This is faulty understanding because Christians have always understood that God in his nature change not,however, how God deals with mankind has changed.

If David denies this then I ccertainly hope that David will sacrifice an animal before he goes to bed tonight,otherwise, he's is in sin and is cursed according to Deut 27:26.
---john9346 on 2/21/18


David:

This is a common misunderstanding. There is the God's Law that he writes on everyone's hearts - e.g. don't kill or steal. Then there is what the Bible calls "The Law", - the Law of Moses.

Christians are under God's law, not the Law of Moses. We don't need 613 "don't do this. don't do that" rules, because if we obey the two greatest laws (love God, and love our neighbor), we will ALREADY be obeying God's law without needing to be told 613 specific rules.

Once an adult understands "only eat food", he no longer needs all the "don't eat razor blades and dirt", and "don't drink bleach, ammonia, and gasoline" rules he was taught as a child.
---StrongAxe on 2/21/18


We are now under a new covenant, but it doesn't make sense without the context of the old covenant. ---StrongAxe on 2/20/1

StrongAxe
I agree, and in many ways the New Testament mirrors the Old. So much can be learned about God, and Gods relationship with men by reading the Old Testament. But for many, the God of the Old Testament, his personage, changed in the New Testament.

For example, When we look into the mirror of the Old Covenant, sin was the breaking of Gods Law. But for those who claim they are not under Gods Law, sin without the Law.

According to Paul in (Romans 2:12), what happens to folks who sin without the Law?
---David on 2/21/18


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God chose the Israelites to spread the word of God throughout the world, to declare His glory among all nations, His wonders among all peoples. They failed thinking it was only for them. The same mistake christians today make.
---Steveng on 2/20/18


barb said, "We have been taught that human flesh cannot keep the law, that the law is somehow flawed but that implies an imperfection in God who wrote it with His own finger on stone."

Barb, the law had a purpose and fulfilled its purpose

"23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a [ai) tutor." Gal 3:23-25.
---john9346 on 2/20/18


barb said, "The new/renewed covenant is the same covenant written in the hearts and minds of those who keep it."

Barb, the covenant is not, "Renewed." its "Bran new."

"not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them, declares Yahweh Jer 31:32..

This is the New Covenant found in Christ.
---john9346 on 2/20/18


barb said, "Nowhere does Jesus teach the abolishment of God's commandments nor does He teach that they are obsolete."

Barb, what commandments are you referencing?

The Ten Commandments are of the Mosaic Law which was fulfilled in Christ...

If none of the commandments have been abolished then i certainly hope your keeping all of the 613 because to not do so means your cursed?? Deut 27:26.
---john9346 on 2/20/18


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David:

The Old Testament was written by Jews, for Jews. It was all they had. We are now under a new covenant, but it doesn't make sense without the context of the old covenant. There would be no need for Jesus to die to atone for our sins under the Law of God, if there were no Law there in the first place.
---StrongAxe on 2/20/18


We have been taught that human flesh cannot keep the law, that the law is somehow flawed but that implies an imperfection in God who wrote it with His own finger on stone.

The covenant God made with Israel is the ten commandments. Duet 4:13. The new/renewed covenant is the same covenant written in the hearts and minds of those who keep it. Jeremiah 31:31-33.

Nowhere does Jesus teach the abolishment of God's commandments nor does He teach that they are obsolete. His words in Matt 5 and Matt 19 are 100% in agreement with His Father in regard to the law. The idea that God gave His people commandments that He knew they could never keep is a tare in His field in which He planted only good seed. Matt 13:37-43.

---barb on 2/20/18


The Old Testament is filled with examples about folks who were under the Law of Moses. Why are we given so many examples of those who were under the Law, if we are under no Law?

Isnt a Testament a covenant between God and Man? Isnt a covenant, a law?

Obviously if those under the Old Covenant, were under the Law of Moses, those under the New Covenant could not be under the Law of Moses too, else it would not be called The New Covenant.

Why though, is it called a New Covenant, a New Law, if we are not under Gods Law, like those who were under The Law of Moses?
---David on 2/20/18


MANY truths about scripture have NOT BEEN TAUGHT. This is the age of eternity, no longer the age of TIME.

Heb 13:2 by the blood of the eternal covenant

Deu 33:27 THE ETERNAL GOD

Rom 16:26 BUT IS NOW according to the command of the ETERNAL GOD

Heb 9:14 ETERNAL SPIRIT.purify your conscience

Heb 1:3 When he had made purification for sins

Luk 2:22 ACCORDING TO the law of Moses

Act 21:26 when the days of purification would be fulfilled

Heb 9:13 the blood of goats and bulls.sanctifies for the purification of the flesh,

Heb 10:4 For it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins.

Heb 9:9 which cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper,
---faithfporfaith on 2/20/18


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Christianity is based in Judaism and a Jewish Messiah to the entire world.

The Old Covenant is for us to learn about GOD and how to live. The New Covenant helps us to understand Jesus.

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

To truly understand the New Covenant you must understand the Old.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/19/18


Everything written in the NT came from the OT. All things taught in the NT came from the OT. Jesus and the apostles referenced the OT many times. The main difference between the OT and the NT is that the OT was of a physical nature and the NT is of a spiritual nature.

The "books" of the NT are simply journals and letters written by a few men. There are tens of thousands of other journals and letters written by thousands of other people about Jesus and what he did which can be found in three of the largest libraries in eastern Europe and Egypt. Even the Romans were very meticulous in keeping records especially regarding science, business, and court trials.
---Steveng on 2/19/18


For one, the old testament covers a much longer period of time - from the beginning of time until around 2000 years ago - a period if 4000 years (if you believe in a young earth), or much longer (if you believe in an old earth). The new testament covers only a few decades - a much shorter period, encompassing only a single generation of individuals who were all contemporaries.
---StrongAxe on 2/19/18


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